Greetings all, Can someone help me to interpret these abbreviations found in a footnote to an article on the Victoria County History website? http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22947&strquery=byass#n333 B.L. Add. MS. 39348, ff. 258-9; _Alum. Cantab. to_ 1751, s.v. Wm. Byass. The bit that I don't get is "s.v. Wm. Byass" as there's no mention of Wm Byass in the article.  He's the chap I'm interested in (his descendent married into my Devon Waymouths, so it's nearly Devon related). Many thanks, Robyn Recovering from a vile heatwave in Melbourne

Hi Robyn, I think the idea behind this was for people who came across an entry in the Parish Register where the Vicar noted that the child who was buried as a still born, born dead, or dead born child [or whatever term he chose to use] was written, for these entries to be submitted. Otherwise how would anyone know that this child existed. Not all entries of every parish in England will ever make it to a web-site [not in our life time anyway] but we do live in hope. So I think these still birth entries are very valuable and would explain why there are such long gaps between some children in certain families. At the time I was Googling and came across an article which lead me to this Register. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Robyn Waymouth" <waymouth@ihug.com.au> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 7:54 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Historic Still Birth Register > This is certainly an interesting project, but I would have > considerable doubts about how many such births will ever be registered > in it. Other than in modern hospital patient records, still births > are simply not recorded, let alone registered anywhere, so entries in > this Register can only be derived from personal correspondence or > memory. > > As Archivist at a major women's hospital that has an extraordinary > collection of patient records from the mid19th century on, I'd have to > say it's something of a pipe dream to expect to find mention of any > one specific person. You might strike lucky, but the odds would be > very poor. > > Robyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: devon@rootsweb.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Sat, 18 Jan 2014 19:16:48 +1000 > Subject:[DEV] Historic Still Birth Register > > The Historic Stillbirth Register can be purchased for £8. > > http://anguline.co.uk/dev.html > > I did not know things like this existed. > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6512 - Release Date: 01/17/14 >

The following information relates to Devon, as well as further afield. This does NOT relate to the Historic Still Birth Register topic, as discussed previously. Some Devon cemetery/church burial registers record stillbirths and a child may be buried in a numbered and individual grave, or with another person, buried on the same day. Current Devon legislation - <http://new.devon.gov.uk/registrationservice/guide/register-a-death/part-4-special-circumstances> states: A stillbirth should be registered at a register office within 42 days. Sometimes a stillbirth can be registered after 42 days – the register office can explain when this can happen. You can name the baby in the register. In Scotland you must register a stillbirth within 21 days. In Northern Ireland<http://www.nidirect.gov.uk/index/information-and-services/government-citizens-and-rights/births-and-registration/registering-a-still-birth.htm> you have up to 1 year to register a stillbirth. >From <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LIN/civilreg.html#Stillbirth> Stillborn children were not registered prior to 1927. Stillbirth registration was introduced on 1 July 1927 to help protect infant life, provide a valuable source of statistical information and to give parents the opportunity to have their child officially acknowledged. A stillborn child is a child born after the 24th week of pregnancy who did not breathe or show any other signs of life. When a child is stillborn the midwife or doctor will issue a medical certificate of stillbirth which will be used to register the stillbirth. When stillbirth registration was introduced the the age limit was the end of the 28th week of pregnancy, not the 24th (as it is now). This is a relatively recent change following the greatly increased survival rates of premature babies. Current GRO policy on obtaining stillbirth certificates: "Due to the sensitive nature of stillbirth registrations, the procedure for ordering a certificate of the entry differs from other types of certificates. We will only send out the application form after we have been contacted by phone or in writing by the mother or father (if he is named on the certificate). In cases where the parents are deceased, a brother or sister can apply if they can provide their parents' dates of death." Regards, Maureen Devon FHS 4019 --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Robyn If i have read and understood correctly, what it means is if you look in the Alum Cantab to 1751, then look up the entry for Wm. Byass See http://writingcenter.unc.edu/handouts/latin-terms-and-abbreviations/ for meanings of obscure latin abbreviations. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 18/01/2014 21:41, Robyn Waymouth wrote: > Greetings all, > > Can someone help me to interpret these abbreviations found in a > footnote to an article on the Victoria County History website? > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=22947&strquery=byass#n333 > > B.L. Add. MS. 39348, ff. 258-9; _Alum. Cantab. to_ 1751, s.v. Wm. > Byass. > > The bit that I don't get is "s.v. Wm. Byass" as there's no mention of > Wm Byass in the article. He's the chap I'm interested in (his > descendent married into my Devon Waymouths, so it's nearly Devon > related). > > Many thanks, > > Robyn >

Somewhat later (1810 to 1815) parishes were paying men to serve in the local militia. The overseers accounts for Stoodleigh record that William Courtis' family were paid 10/6d and later 9s while he was serving in the militia. There were also monies paid to men to sign up 2 guineas(£2/2/0d) was the going rate. 16 men received the money, bu only one - William Venn - is named. Chris -----Original Message----- From: B. Edmonds Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:20 AM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Militia Men [Instructions for Musters and Arms] http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=74944 Quite complicated, but interesting for those with names in Devon in the Militia Lists. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The Historic Stillbirth Register can be purchased for £8. http://anguline.co.uk/dev.html I did not know things like this existed. Bev

Robyn wrote, "Other than in modern hospital patient records, still births are simply not recorded, let alone registered anywhere, so entries in this Register can only be derived from personal correspondence or memory." While it is far both geographically and in record-keeping systems from historical Devon, stillbirths and children who died within minutes to a few hours of their birth were regularly recorded by many of the town clerks in colonial Massachusetts. I have been able to fill in additional information on many of my colonial families this way as these infants are much less likely to have extant gravestones than infants/children who died when they were slightly older. I would be very surprised if it were the only place in the world that recorded stillbirths, and indeed, Bev's response indicates that it is not. Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA

Oh Pamela, I wish that all the indexing had been done by DFHS, but what the Society has done is in reality only a relatively small percentage of the whole. Terry On 18/01/2014 16:15, Pamela Willcocks wrote: > Hello Diana, > > I honestly do appreciate this reply to Terry as any information helps us > understand the process. > > But my initial query concerned the status of the images as there are a > missing number of indexed years which offer corresponding images. > > I realize that the public is not privy to contract negotiations, but at the > time the FMP website signed, their people were digitizing at the record > office cause the indexing had already been done by the DFHS. > > All I was hoping for prior to posing the Q to the website itself (however > that's done), was for someone "in the know" to tell us if those Plymouth > registers were indeed all digitized and it was purely a website decision on > when to release them. > > cheers, > pamela > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Diana Stevens > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 11:56 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] PLYMOUTH RECORDS COLLECTION STATUS > > This is what the DRO told me last week: > > "We do not have any information on the likely date for our parish registers > to be indexed and available to search online on the FMP website ..(snip) > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Speaking as someone who is not able to visit the Records Offices in person, I am grateful for any digitization project. I have used Essex RO's site extensively to view parish records from the 1600's and (in parishes where they survive) the 1500's for some of my lines that left England well before my Devon & Cornwall lines emigrated. Their site is not free, but neither was their digitization process. I also used BMDRegisters a few years ago to view a number of non-conformist records from Bible Christian circuits on the Devon/Cornwall border and have done extensive page-by-page searching in the Warwickshire parish records on Ancestry; again, neither record set is free, but both are worth the cost in the opinion of this non-local researcher. Liz Loveland Massachusetts, USA Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: "Several years ago I came to the conclusion that every time I forked out a fee to use for one of the Services offered on the internet I wasted my time and money. Rare if ever did I ever get more than a name, let alone any real details. Most of what I saw was basically a repeat of a small part of the information already obtained from the Devon PRO at Exeter for a fraction of the price. Plus I had already viewed that information to know it was correct. Unlike on line, where you pay and pray. One now thinks that you can't beat a visit to the Devon PRO to obtain your information. Roll on the day when all the PROs are Virtual Sites and on the internet. Where you can request to see any document from their archives. Now that would really be something to behold."

Hello Diana, I honestly do appreciate this reply to Terry as any information helps us understand the process. But my initial query concerned the status of the images as there are a missing number of indexed years which offer corresponding images. I realize that the public is not privy to contract negotiations, but at the time the FMP website signed, their people were digitizing at the record office cause the indexing had already been done by the DFHS. All I was hoping for prior to posing the Q to the website itself (however that's done), was for someone "in the know" to tell us if those Plymouth registers were indeed all digitized and it was purely a website decision on when to release them. cheers, pamela -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diana Stevens Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 11:56 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] PLYMOUTH RECORDS COLLECTION STATUS This is what the DRO told me last week: "We do not have any information on the likely date for our parish registers to be indexed and available to search online on the FMP website ..(snip)

This is what the DRO told me last week: "We do not have any information on the likely date for our parish registers to be indexed and available to search online on the FMP website - we understand that indexing is taking place, but have not been advised as to when this will be completed, I'm afraid. Our best guess is that this process will take a year or so." Diana On 18/01/2014, at 1:04 AM, Terry Leaman <terryleaman@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: > As Far as I am aware most of the Parish registers in P&WDRO have been > filmed by FMP, but not all are yet online. The only people who know what > is online and what is not will be FMP. > I say most because there are I believe a small number of parishes who > refused to have registers filmed (as is their right) > I can tell you that it takes a very long time for stuff to appear on FMP > from the time it is sent in.

http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=74944 Quite complicated, but interesting for those with names in Devon in the Militia Lists. Bev

An item referring to this Gent can be found here http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=108164 The xv° day of January, 1596, William Yate, Maior, John Butcher, and Robert Aldworth, Shereives; Richard Chechester, of Berrinarbor, in the county of Devn, m'cht, same page The xxvij° of July, 1608, Nicholas Yeo, of Stratton, m'cht, is a ffreeman of the county of Exon, Bev

Hi Terry, Well, it would be almost too good to be true if the following name was in there. If it was a personal Biography of the Cecil's then the following may not be there. But I live in hope. Perhaps a quick check of the Index will be enough. Regards and thanks for looking. Bev Index - S > ... Salby, John, 252. Salcombe [Devon], bark from, 16. ... piracy by > men-of-war on the French, 127. -, -, piracy of, in Devon waters, 151, > 170. ... > Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House, Volume 15 (1930) -------------------------------------------------- From: <Terryblackmore@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 12:45 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Salcombe - piracy John SALBY or maybe SILBY > Since the family has been mentioned, I a number of years back during my > grab > any Family History book that I came across era. Managed to get my grubby > little mits on a book called "The Cecils of Hatfield House" by one David > Cecil. I did at the time I obtained it, per chance put it on my computer. > I > never went further with making an ebook from the 320 pages. I think it > must > be quite a comprehensive Family History from the number of pictures. > However > anyone interested in the Cecils may ask me questions. However, I must > admit > to not reading it, other than glance at the pedigree contained in it > pages. > So you may have to bear with me on information on individuals in those > pages. > > Terry Blackmore > OPC, Sheldon, Devon. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Frayne > Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:02 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Salcombe - piracy John SALBY or maybe SILBY > > Hi Bev > > There is a site devoted to the Cecil Papers at Hatfield House. There are > apparently four main sources and I have copied in a part of what I > noticed: > The Calendar of the Cecil Papers > > Historical Manuscripts Commission, Calendar of the Manuscripts of the > Most Honourable The Marquess of Salisbury [. . .], 24 vols (London > 1883-1976) > > Haynes/Murdin transcripts of selected Cecil Papers > > A collection of state papers, relating to affairs in the reigns of King > Henry VIII. King Edward VI. Queen Mary, and Queen Elizabeth, from the year > 1542 to 1570 [. . .] Transcribed from original letters and other > authentick > memorials [. . .], ed. by Samuel Haynes (London, 1740) > A collection of state papers relating to the reign of Queen Elizabeth, > from the year 1571 to 1596. Transcribed from original papers and other > authentic memorials [. . .], ed. by William Murdin (London, 1759) > > It looks like the Calendars were published and so should be available from > a > reference library. The site also has digitised the documents so you can > view > the originals on-line if you want to. The problem may be in getting the > references to tie up, which may be what Liz was aluding to. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of B. Edmonds > Sent: 17 January 2014 01:01 > To: devon@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Salcombe - piracy John SALBY or maybe SILBY > > I now wonder if this chap is from the same family? > > A2A > Dartmouth; QS/128/42/18 1682; James Silby, master of the Barbara of > Dartmouth on a voyage with fish from Newfoundland to Portugal, taken by > Pirates > > >> http://www.british-history.ac.uk/search.aspx?query=%22+devon+%22&p=4 >> >> Index - S >> ... Salby, John, 252. Salcombe [Devon], bark from, 16. ... piracy by >> men-of-war on the French, 127. -, -, piracy of, in Devon waters, 151, >> 170. ... >> Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House, Volume 15 (1930) > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6509 - Release Date: 01/16/14 >

Several years ago I came to the conclusion that every time I forked out a fee to use for one of the Services offered on the internet I wasted my time and money. Rare if ever did I ever get more than a name, let alone any real details. Most of what I saw was basically a repeat of a small part of the information already obtained from the Devon PRO at Exeter for a fraction of the price. Plus I had already viewed that information to know it was correct. Unlike on line, where you pay and pray. One now thinks that you can't beat a visit to the Devon PRO to obtain your information. Roll on the day when all the PROs are Virtual Sites and on the internet. Where you can request to see any document from their archives. Now that would really be something to behold.

Hi Pamela I was made aware at the North Devon Record Office that the Parish Registers were all being filmed. This is a Devon wide exercise apparently and I am told (in North Devon at least) it is nearing completion. Then at the DFHS AGM I asked the Heritage Service rep what the news was and she was only able to say it would be ready when it was ready and not to hold my breath. I think the idea is to digitise all the images and "replace" the horrible ones done on the IGI years ago that we all know to be unreadable in many cases, but I guess we have to hold ourselves with patience! Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pamela Willcocks Sent: 17 January 2014 15:58 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] PLYMOUTH RECORDS COLLECTION STATUS I am aware that the website Find My Past (FMP) provides an ongoing listing of year-spans re their parish register offerings. But does anyone on this list know what the status is in imaging the Plymouth Records Collection? Surely I'm not the only one who thrills at the sight of my ancestors handwriting, marriage witness names etc , let alone just having the original - so short of getting in contact with who-knows at the website itself (and am I right that it's out of the record office's hands?) perhaps someone knowledgeable here knows or can tell us who does. cheers, pamela in Bermuda ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As Far as I am aware most of the Parish registers in P&WDRO have been filmed by FMP, but not all are yet online. The only people who know what is online and what is not will be FMP. I say most because there are I believe a small number of parishes who refused to have registers filmed (as is their right) I can tell you that it takes a very long time for stuff to appear on FMP from the time it is sent in. Terry On 17/01/2014 15:57, Pamela Willcocks wrote: > > > I am aware that the website Find My Past (FMP) provides an ongoing listing > of year-spans re their parish register offerings. > > > > But does anyone on this list know what the status is in imaging the Plymouth > Records Collection? > > > > Surely I'm not the only one who thrills at the sight of my ancestors > handwriting, marriage witness names etc , let alone just having the original > - so short of getting in contact with who-knows at the website itself (and > am I right that it's out of the record office's hands?) perhaps someone > knowledgeable here knows or can tell us who does. > > > > cheers, > > pamela in Bermuda > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thanks Terry and Jonathan. I'm pleased to hear of the progress north and south. Three of my dad's four main lines are deep in both north and south Devon and I'm appreciative that a few northern parishes are part of the on-line Plymouth collection - though none include images. North and South Molton come to mind. Let's hope that the North Devon Record Office images (19c ones of course) make their way on-line in the near future - whether on FMP or Ancestry. I'm ready to pay as I'm sure it ultimately helps the record office coffers. cheers, pamela -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Frayne Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:23 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] PLYMOUTH RECORDS COLLECTION STATUS Hi Pamela I was made aware at the North Devon Record Office that the Parish Registers were all being filmed. (snip) Jon

Since the family has been mentioned, I a number of years back during my grab any Family History book that I came across era. Managed to get my grubby little mits on a book called "The Cecils of Hatfield House" by one David Cecil. I did at the time I obtained it, per chance put it on my computer. I never went further with making an ebook from the 320 pages. I think it must be quite a comprehensive Family History from the number of pictures. However anyone interested in the Cecils may ask me questions. However, I must admit to not reading it, other than glance at the pedigree contained in it pages. So you may have to bear with me on information on individuals in those pages. Terry Blackmore OPC, Sheldon, Devon. -----Original Message----- From: Jonathan Frayne Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 9:02 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Salcombe - piracy John SALBY or maybe SILBY Hi Bev There is a site devoted to the Cecil Papers at Hatfield House. There are apparently four main sources and I have copied in a part of what I noticed: The Calendar of the Cecil Papers Historical Manuscripts Commission, Calendar of the Manuscripts of the Most Honourable The Marquess of Salisbury [. . .], 24 vols (London 1883-1976) Haynes/Murdin transcripts of selected Cecil Papers A collection of state papers, relating to affairs in the reigns of King Henry VIII. King Edward VI. Queen Mary, and Queen Elizabeth, from the year 1542 to 1570 [. . .] Transcribed from original letters and other authentick memorials [. . .], ed. by Samuel Haynes (London, 1740) A collection of state papers relating to the reign of Queen Elizabeth, from the year 1571 to 1596. Transcribed from original papers and other authentic memorials [. . .], ed. by William Murdin (London, 1759) It looks like the Calendars were published and so should be available from a reference library. The site also has digitised the documents so you can view the originals on-line if you want to. The problem may be in getting the references to tie up, which may be what Liz was aluding to. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 17 January 2014 01:01 To: devon@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Salcombe - piracy John SALBY or maybe SILBY I now wonder if this chap is from the same family? A2A Dartmouth; QS/128/42/18 1682; James Silby, master of the Barbara of Dartmouth on a voyage with fish from Newfoundland to Portugal, taken by Pirates > http://www.british-history.ac.uk/search.aspx?query=%22+devon+%22&p=4 > > Index - S > ... Salby, John, 252. Salcombe [Devon], bark from, 16. ... piracy by > men-of-war on the French, 127. -, -, piracy of, in Devon waters, 151, > 170. ... > Calendar of the Cecil Papers in Hatfield House, Volume 15 (1930) ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For one reason or another we seem to dismiss an ancestor thinking that he is " too old ". Well in the case below, it seems that as long as one could stand on two legs, then you were in with the mix. Bev Tavistock; QS/128/121/7 1682; Edward Carew, soldier aged 87 Tavistock; QS/128/121/11 n.d; Francis Glubb, soldier aged 90 years