On 21 Jan 2014 at 17:39, Annie Barnes wrote: > I am interested in your idea about taking GPS readings. What app do you use > and what readings do you record? There seem to be a couple of different stats > (decimal or degrees, minutes, seconds) that can be recorded but I presume you > just need one. One possible app for this purpose can be found here: http://www.billiongraves.com/ -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Hello David, I am interested in your idea about taking GPS readings. What app do you use and what readings do you record? There seem to be a couple of different stats (decimal or degrees, minutes, seconds) that can be recorded but I presume you just need one. Annie Message: 14 Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:00:01 -0500 From: dabishop41 <dabishop41@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU406-EAS335A3C8573E35024E7654BCC0A40@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I know of no better ways to find a particular gravesite than we have been doing. However, I have begun to record GPS readings on the gravestones. Found I could get a reading on my gggrandfather's stone. (Francis Hill b.1822 Clayhanger) Original reading by satellite varied 6" from cell phone reading laid directly on the stone when I visited. I now take GPS measurement readings on all sites and record them in my family tree file.

To those interested, a gremlin 'D' crept into Richard's link which leads to a Lady C page! However, you may find the link below more convenient! http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=Mark+Herber&bi=h&bx=off&ds=30&recentlyadded=all&sortby=17&sts=t&tn=Ancestral+Trails&x=68&y=4 Best wishes Alan England. ---------- At 09:21 21/01/2014, Richard Jones wrote: >Hallo Thelma and interested Listers, > >You should be able to own your own copy of the excellent reference book >Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Herber by buying a secondhand copy > from Abebooks.co.uk at a very reasonable price. Here is the link - > >http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=mark+d+herbert&sts=t > >If Listers do not live in the UK, they can Google Abebooks USA, Abebooks >Canada, >Abebooks Australia and New Zealand - as appropriate. I obtained my >secondhand copy from Abebooks at a fraction of the usual price. I hope this >helps. > >Richard from Brighton (DFHS member 20316) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Thelma Hartman >Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:37 PM >To: devon@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [DEV] Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Herber > >Thanks for the tip - I found this book in my public library resources and >have put a hold on it. I am looking forward to reading it. > >Thelma > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and >the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >List archive for Devon can be found at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

<<snipped>> ...if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does it necessarily mean they were buried there? ... <<snipped>> An interesting question, Bev. It comes down to "what does an entry in the burial register mean?" The last time I saw this discussed (which I thought was on this very list not so long ago), my impression of the conclusion was - an entry in the burial register means someone was buried in the churchyard belonging to that church. Exceptions to the above: - people had found entries where the only realistic interpretation was a funeral at the church owning the register in question and burial elsewhere; - the churchyard belonging to the church might no longer be at the church itself. To expand on the 2nd point, many churchyards were getting to be full during the 1800s, and extensions were opened some distance away. These were not municipal cemeteries but a cemetery belonging to the church. In that case, entries in the mother church's burial register continue even though new burials take place on the new site. (And the old churchyard could continue to be used for new burials in existing graves...) The only way I know to find out if this is the case is to look at church histories - with GENUKI being the starting point. What I do is work from the assumption that an entry in the burial register means someone was buried in the churchyard belonging to that church unless I know that an "extension" churchyard was opened elsewhere, in which case I'll either record burial at the new place if it's clear from the dates that was the only option, or I'll omit the burial but record a _funeral_ at the church. What I should probably do is record the assumption that's where the burial was, if I have one. For churches with no graveyard but an entry in their burial register, it has to be recording a funeral at the church. (I can create my own events in my software). But I think this case in unusual in the UK. Adrian B

Hi, Devon Family History Society has 53 Stooke marriages in their Surnames indexes, 1754-1812 which should include this James b c 1742. Also FODA`s lists of Oaths 1723 and Freeholders 1711-99 have many Stook entries. It might be worth uncovering each entry and trying to make a pattern of names and places . Other than that you are dependent on the DRO . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hayes" <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:15 AM Subject: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish > John STOOKE of Dawlish married Mary BARTER at Kingskerswell in 1808, and > they > had 10 children (that we have been able to trace), and we have been able > to > trace at least some descendants of five of those children. > > John STOOKE was apparently born in Dawlish in 1784, the son of James > STOOKE > and Mary BARGERON or BARJERON or BAREGON or BARRIGAN (there seem to be a > number of ways of spelling it), who were married in Dawlish on 28 October > 1771. > > What is not clear is where this James STOOKE came from. Some family trees > identify him with James Stooke of Trusham, the son of Edward STOOKE and > Elizabeth DINGLEY, who was baptised in Trusham on 28 June 1742. While this > is > possible, it also seems that there were other STOOKE families living in > Dawlish at the time of the marriage of James and Mary, so it would be > useful > if we could see the Dawlish parish registers and do a reconstruction of > all > the Stooke families there. Unfortunately the Dawlish registers do not > appear > to be available online, either on FreeReg or anywhere else, nor do they > appear to have been filmed by the LDS, so it would mean travelling to the > Devon Record Office in Exeter to try to find them. > > I would be very grateful if anyone with access to the Dawlish registers > could > look up the marriage of James STOOKE to see if it gives any clue to his > origin, such as "of Trusham". > > More here: > > http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/stooke-family-of-dawlish/ > > > -- > Keep well, > Steve Hayes > Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com > Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm > E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Sorry forgot to say it cost me £ 2.47 inc. postage. Tim Mitchell. -----Original Message----- From: SBS Engineers Research Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:10 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Ancestral Trails: The Complete Guide Hi I have just priced this book - M.D. Herber. Ancestral Trails: The Complete Guide to British Genealogy and Family History. It's very expensive at $75 AUD. So I'll have to see if a local library has it. Regards Ann Spiro Guild ONS Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning List, For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those questions........................... How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard is not known? Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for Died Buried For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does it necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is listed in St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would just the service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be buried? I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... Service at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might just not be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the country side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the Church of the place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct unless there is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does one get around this? Bev

Hi , I have just purchased my second hand copy (very good) condition is the description, using the link that Richard gave, many thanks for that Richard. Tim Mitchell. -----Original Message----- From: SBS Engineers Research Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:10 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Ancestral Trails: The Complete Guide Hi I have just priced this book - M.D. Herber. Ancestral Trails: The Complete Guide to British Genealogy and Family History. It's very expensive at $75 AUD. So I'll have to see if a local library has it. Regards Ann Spiro Guild ONS Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev. London as we all know is a parallel universe so what they do there is rarely anything like what we do in the country ........if my parish priest in 1750 wrote buried John Brown it would mean he buried him in the graveyard of the church , not 10 miles away or in a municipal cemetary , it would mean just what he wrote. And when they ran out of burial space round the church they would have either donated glebe land or bought land close by which would have been the extention to the churchyard. Same words would apply surely . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:58 AM Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > Morning List, > > For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those > questions........................... > > How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard is not > known? > > Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for > Died > Buried > > For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does it > necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is listed > in > St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would just > the > service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be buried? > > I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... Service > at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might just > not > be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. > > Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the country > side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. > > In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the Church of > the > place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct unless > there > is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does one get > around this? > > Bev > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

John STOOKE of Dawlish married Mary BARTER at Kingskerswell in 1808, and they had 10 children (that we have been able to trace), and we have been able to trace at least some descendants of five of those children. John STOOKE was apparently born in Dawlish in 1784, the son of James STOOKE and Mary BARGERON or BARJERON or BAREGON or BARRIGAN (there seem to be a number of ways of spelling it), who were married in Dawlish on 28 October 1771. What is not clear is where this James STOOKE came from. Some family trees identify him with James Stooke of Trusham, the son of Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY, who was baptised in Trusham on 28 June 1742. While this is possible, it also seems that there were other STOOKE families living in Dawlish at the time of the marriage of James and Mary, so it would be useful if we could see the Dawlish parish registers and do a reconstruction of all the Stooke families there. Unfortunately the Dawlish registers do not appear to be available online, either on FreeReg or anywhere else, nor do they appear to have been filmed by the LDS, so it would mean travelling to the Devon Record Office in Exeter to try to find them. I would be very grateful if anyone with access to the Dawlish registers could look up the marriage of James STOOKE to see if it gives any clue to his origin, such as "of Trusham". More here: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/stooke-family-of-dawlish/ -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk

Hi I have just priced this book - M.D. Herber. Ancestral Trails: The Complete Guide to British Genealogy and Family History. It's very expensive at $75 AUD. So I'll have to see if a local library has it. Regards Ann Spiro Guild ONS Representative for WA & NT. rep-australia-north-west@one-name.org Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS  http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett

Unfortunately, I can't help with the Dawlish PRs but there are references to earlier 18th century Stooke residents of Dawlish on Access to Archives (A2A)including this one to a James Stooke 1744: Dawlish parish register of Apprentices John Daymond apprenticed to James Stooke, Yeoman 971 A/PO 266 1744   There is a will of a James Stooke of Mamhead 1835.  Mamhead is about 3 miles from Dawlish.   This isn't immediately relevant to your query but when I was looking on A2A I came across the following document which intrigued me. 1/360/38 1646 These documents are held at Plymouth and West Devon Record Office Contents: Bond from James Stooke of Ashburton, hosier, to leave Plymouth and never to reside in the Town for more than 6 days Any historians on the list know why Mr Stooke would not be allowed to remain in Plymouth for more than 6 days?  It was during the Civil War and just after the seige of Plymouth and I wondered if it was political. Joy  ________________________________ From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014, 8:15 Subject: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish John STOOKE of Dawlish married Mary BARTER at Kingskerswell in 1808, and they had 10 children (that we have been able to trace), and we have been able to trace at least some descendants of five of those children. John STOOKE was apparently born in Dawlish in 1784, the son of James STOOKE and Mary BARGERON or BARJERON or BAREGON or BARRIGAN (there seem to be a number of ways of spelling it), who were married in Dawlish on 28 October 1771. What is not clear is where this James STOOKE came from. Some family trees identify him with James Stooke of Trusham, the son of Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY, who was baptised in Trusham on 28 June 1742. While this is possible, it also seems that there were other STOOKE families living in Dawlish at the time of the marriage of James and Mary, so it would be useful if we could see the Dawlish parish registers and do a reconstruction of all the Stooke families there. Unfortunately the Dawlish registers do not appear to be available online, either on FreeReg or anywhere else, nor do they appear to have been filmed by the LDS, so it would mean travelling to the Devon Record Office in Exeter to try to find them. I would be very grateful if anyone with access to the Dawlish registers could look up the marriage of James STOOKE to see if it gives any clue to his origin, such as "of Trusham". More here: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/2014/01/21/stooke-family-of-dawlish/ -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog:    http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ Web:    http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Everyone, I got my copy recently from S&N Genealogy Supplies think it was about £17.95, they are normally at family history fairs like Bracknell this coming weekend [26th Jan] and WDYTYA Live at Olympia [20th Feb - 22nd Feb]. Heather --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hello Bev, I agree, most genealogy programs have a field to record date and place of death AND date and place of burial. I have to say that I have always assumed that the church register meant that is where the person was also buried. I do know that "churchyard" meansburials around the church precinct and that a cemetery may be adjacent to the church where most people are buried. I suppose unless there is a church record showing the plots with numbers AND if the register also states the plot number, then one could assume that the burial did take place at that particular church. It would be interesting to know if the situation is otherwise and I look forward to any corrections on my assumptions. cheers, Diane, Western Australia On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 8:58 AM, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Morning List, > > For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those > questions........................... > > How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard is not > known? > > Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for > Died > Buried > > For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does it > necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is listed > in > St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would just the > service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be buried? > > I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... Service > at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might just not > be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. > > Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the country > side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. > > In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the Church of > the > place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct unless > there > is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does one get > around this? > > Bev > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Talking about dictionaries and seeing that it is so cold out, hot in some places, and we might be staying in a little more You must read the story of the Oxford Dictionary "The Professor and the Madman" by Simon Winchester. You won't be able to stop reading it.... Cheers, Edna - minus 25C and sunny Ottawa

Hallo Thelma and interested Listers, You should be able to own your own copy of the excellent reference book Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Herber by buying a secondhand copy from Abebooks.co.uk at a very reasonable price. Here is the link - http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=mark+d+herbert&sts=t If Listers do not live in the UK, they can Google Abebooks USA, Abebooks Canada, Abebooks Australia and New Zealand - as appropriate. I obtained my secondhand copy from Abebooks at a fraction of the usual price. I hope this helps. Richard from Brighton (DFHS member 20316) -----Original Message----- From: Thelma Hartman Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 7:37 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Ancestral Trails by Mark D. Herber Thanks for the tip - I found this book in my public library resources and have put a hold on it. I am looking forward to reading it. Thelma

No Peter I do not, I just thought it worth posting seeing as she seemed to be a good way from home. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter J Richardson" <pjrich.ntl@googlemail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:40 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Mary WOODBURY > Hello Bev, > > Thanks for the post. > > Do you have an interest in the WOODBURY name? I have a Mary WOODBURY > (c.1729-1794) who married Simon COCKRAM (c.1733-1804) at Silverton on 5th > September 1766. > > Regards > Peter > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of B. Edmonds > Sent: 20 January 2014 20:44 > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Mary WOODBURY > > This lady buried quite a way from home. > > Trewman's Exeter Flying Post or Plymouth and Cornish Advertiser (Exeter, > England), Saturday, January 8, 1898; Issue 9516. > > Exeter Cemetery Internments > > Mary WOODBURY, January 4th, Okehampton, 49 > > > Bev > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6516 - Release Date: 01/19/14 >

This lady buried quite a way from home. Trewman's Exeter Flying Post or Plymouth and Cornish Advertiser (Exeter, England), Saturday, January 8, 1898; Issue 9516. Exeter Cemetery Internments Mary WOODBURY, January 4th, Okehampton, 49 Bev

You might not read the whole book as it's more of a genealogical reference book but it is one you will go back to, again and again. All the best, Edna - Ottawa

Hello Bev, Thanks for the post. Do you have an interest in the WOODBURY name? I have a Mary WOODBURY (c.1729-1794) who married Simon COCKRAM (c.1733-1804) at Silverton on 5th September 1766. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 20 January 2014 20:44 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Mary WOODBURY This lady buried quite a way from home. Trewman's Exeter Flying Post or Plymouth and Cornish Advertiser (Exeter, England), Saturday, January 8, 1898; Issue 9516. Exeter Cemetery Internments Mary WOODBURY, January 4th, Okehampton, 49 Bev