Morning, My mission this year is to look for all those odds and ends and try to see what I can find that might just link some families. Trouble is I have tons of them. Having given up on William PEARSE and Grace for the time being I have turned my attention back to Stokenham. Thomas WIDGER married Margaret EDMONDS 8 Dec 1617 I have not been able to find a baptism in Stokenham for this Thomas, however there is one on Famsearch at Wolborough & Newton 14 Jul 1594 s/o William who would fit. There is also a Thomas WEEGER who married Margaret SHEY at Paignton 30 Dec 1589 which is closer and could have had a son Thomas. The majority it seems come from Ilsington though. Oddly enough I discovered some WIDGER'S in the early records which match names from Ilsington on famsearch. They being the ones below. Stokenham Jno: s/o Peter WIGER married Grace LYST?? in 1577 John STONE married Grace WIDGER 3 Jul 1581 Thomas PYNWILL married Margery [crossed out] Tomsine WIDGER 30 Oct 1581, her name a little hard to get the correct spelling, but it is meant to be Tomsine. John had a son Arthur in 1578 but this baby died. Has anyone done an depth study of the name WIDGER? Please be in touch. Bev

This on the Bristol List this morning. Bev Happy hunting https://archive.org/stream/notesorabstracts00wadlrich#page/n3/mode/2up

Hi Joy, Thanks so much for the link Joy, I did not know about that one. Great that there is a MI Inscription book that can be purchased. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:23 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] William PEARCE of Modbury 1761 > Modbury baptism transcriptions can be found here: > http://www.modbury-heritage.co.uk/modbury-parish-records.htm > > There is another Pearse baptism with parents William and Grace but it is > 1758 and predates the marriage. > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2014, 3:16 > Subject: [DEV] William PEARCE of Modbury 1761 > > > Afternoon from a cooler Qld in my neck of the woods, > > William PEARCE married Grace WEEKS at South Pool 29 Jan 1759. > > Famsearch has a William PEARCE chr. 26 Jan 1761 at Modbury s/o William & > Grace. > > I assume that this is the same couple. Has anyone tracked this family, > were > there more children anywhere else? Are there any descendants to William > 1761 > or did he die as a baby? > Is there a suitable burial in Modbury for William and Grace? I do not have > their PR's worse luck. > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6527 - Release Date: 01/23/14 > >

Well Paul, seems that William PEARSE is a Modbury chap. Don't you just love it when I do find a name that could be yours, then find there is another in the same time frame! Regards and thanks Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hockie" <paul.hockie@talk21.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:05 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] William PEARCE of Modbury 1761 > If you search Familysearch on surname Pearce, birthplace (ticked) Modbury, > Father William and Mother Grace you get the following: > William Pearse christening: 26 February 1761 > MODBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND > father: William Pearse > mother: Grace > > Robert Pearse christening: 29 September 1758 > MODBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND > father: William Pearse > mother: Grace > > There is also: > > William Pearse marriage: 1 August 1756 Modbury,Devon,England > spouse: Grace Ford > > Familysearch does not have the death of William Jr but there are a large > number of possible children. > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of B. Edmonds > Sent: 23 January 2014 03:17 > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] William PEARCE of Modbury 1761 > > Afternoon from a cooler Qld in my neck of the woods, > > William PEARCE married Grace WEEKS at South Pool 29 Jan 1759. > > Famsearch has a William PEARCE chr. 26 Jan 1761 at Modbury s/o William & > Grace. > > I assume that this is the same couple. Has anyone tracked this family, > were > there more children anywhere else? Are there any descendants to William > 1761 > or did he die as a baby? > Is there a suitable burial in Modbury for William and Grace? I do not have > their PR's worse luck. > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6527 - Release Date: 01/23/14 >

Being able to read the PCC wills on Ancestry led me to find the will below. On Discovery it says 'of Richmond Surrey' but Ancestry did not nominate a place. Any opinions about where Cullum is? Could be Cullompton, Culmstock, Culm Davie in Hemyock or Columb John in Broadclyst. Maybe I have interpreted it incorrectly, apart from the 'C' it is just a line of squiggles! Charles Price, to whom probate was granted, was an MP and Lord Mayor of London at this time. It seems he paid well if a footman could accumulate £140. Can someone tell me what 'Pot' is please (or have I interpreted that incorrectly, the second letter is unclear)? J Sewell Surrogate – 'Pot' Wm Moore Notary Public ~ Diana Pray for me at Richmond and what I have left in the plate chest for God sake let the dear child be brought up with I wish Mr Price to take of the money for my dear child there is but very little owing I think when all is sold it will amount to £140 - Thomas Ackland 4 November 1802 Appeared Personally Elisha Bennet of Richmond in the County of Surry Groom and William Smith of Bedford Square in the County of Middlesex Servant to Charles Price Esquire and made oath that they knew and were well acquainted with Thomas Ackland formerly of Cullum[?] in the County of Devon but late of Spring Grove in the parish of Richmond aforesaid deceased for several years before and until his death which happened in the Month of December last and during each their acquaintance with him have frequently seen him write and subscribe his name and thoro'ly came to know and be well acquainted with his manner and character of handwriting and subscription and having with care and attention viewed and perused the annexed paper writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of the said deceased now marked with the letter "A" beginning "Pray for me at Richmond" ending "I think when all is sold it will amount to £140" and thus subscribed "Thomas Ackland" they say they do verily and in their consciences believe the whole series and contents thereof as also the subscription thereto to be all of the proper handwriting and and subscription of the aforesaid Thomas Ackland deceased and they further made oath that the said Thomas Ackland deceased [*] had for upwards of three years before and until his death lived in the capacity of Footman with the aforesaid Charles Price Esquire of Spring Grove aforesaid and that he left behind him a wife and child and they so verily and in their consciences believe the said deceased by the words in said will "I wish Mr Price to take of the Money for my dear child" --- want and intended that his said Master the said Charles Price should take possession and have the custody of his the said deceased's property for the benefit of his aforesaid child – Elisha Bennett – William Smith – same day the said Elisha Bennett and William Smith was duly sworn to the truth of this Affidavit before me – J Sewell Surr – Pot Wm Moore Not Pub ~ Probate 28 Feb 1803 * (crossed through) and they further made oath that the said Thomas Ackland PROB 11/1386/374 E&OE

I have about a dozen Thomas ROCKEYs in the area around and north of Tavistock. (Every path seems to lead to Broadwoodwidger.) It seems every family had a son named Thomas. Mine was born about 1778 and I haven't found him yet. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Jan 23, 2014, at 2:57 PM, B. Edmonds wrote: > Well Paul, seems that William PEARSE is a Modbury chap. Don't you just love > it when I do find a name that could be yours, then find there is another in > the same time frame! > > Regards and thanks > > Bev >

Hi, I think Elisha Bennet is a grocer not a groom , and Cullum is possibly Cullompton , more so than the others. I think Pot in Surr-Pot may mean elect but not yet appointed. Nice will though. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:33 AM Subject: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV Being able to read the PCC wills on Ancestry led me to find the will below. On Discovery it says 'of Richmond Surrey' but Ancestry did not nominate a place. Any opinions about where Cullum is? Could be Cullompton, Culmstock, Culm Davie in Hemyock or Columb John in Broadclyst. Maybe I have interpreted it incorrectly, apart from the 'C' it is just a line of squiggles! Charles Price, to whom probate was granted, was an MP and Lord Mayor of London at this time. It seems he paid well if a footman could accumulate £140. Can someone tell me what 'Pot' is please (or have I interpreted that incorrectly, the second letter is unclear)? J Sewell Surrogate – 'Pot' Wm Moore Notary Public ~ Diana Pray for me at Richmond and what I have left in the plate chest for God sake let the dear child be brought up with I wish Mr Price to take of the money for my dear child there is but very little owing I think when all is sold it will amount to £140 - Thomas Ackland 4 November 1802 Appeared Personally Elisha Bennet of Richmond in the County of Surry Groom and William Smith of Bedford Square in the County of Middlesex Servant to Charles Price Esquire and made oath that they knew and were well acquainted with Thomas Ackland formerly of Cullum[?] in the County of Devon but late of Spring Grove in the parish of Richmond aforesaid deceased for several years before and until his death which happened in the Month of December last and during each their acquaintance with him have frequently seen him write and subscribe his name and thoro'ly came to know and be well acquainted with his manner and character of handwriting and subscription and having with care and attention viewed and perused the annexed paper writing purporting to be the last Will and Testament of the said deceased now marked with the letter "A" beginning "Pray for me at Richmond" ending "I think when all is sold it will amount to £140" and thus subscribed "Thomas Ackland" they say they do verily and in their consciences believe the whole series and contents thereof as also the subscription thereto to be all of the proper handwriting and and subscription of the aforesaid Thomas Ackland deceased and they further made oath that the said Thomas Ackland deceased [*] had for upwards of three years before and until his death lived in the capacity of Footman with the aforesaid Charles Price Esquire of Spring Grove aforesaid and that he left behind him a wife and child and they so verily and in their consciences believe the said deceased by the words in said will "I wish Mr Price to take of the Money for my dear child" --- want and intended that his said Master the said Charles Price should take possession and have the custody of his the said deceased's property for the benefit of his aforesaid child – Elisha Bennett – William Smith – same day the said Elisha Bennett and William Smith was duly sworn to the truth of this Affidavit before me – J Sewell Surr – Pot Wm Moore Not Pub ~ Probate 28 Feb 1803 * (crossed through) and they further made oath that the said Thomas Ackland PROB 11/1386/374 E&OE ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Afternoon from a cooler Qld in my neck of the woods, William PEARCE married Grace WEEKS at South Pool 29 Jan 1759. Famsearch has a William PEARCE chr. 26 Jan 1761 at Modbury s/o William & Grace. I assume that this is the same couple. Has anyone tracked this family, were there more children anywhere else? Are there any descendants to William 1761 or did he die as a baby? Is there a suitable burial in Modbury for William and Grace? I do not have their PR's worse luck. Bev

Hi Jonathon, I have just come across this quote on Devon Heritage for Brixham. Rather a sad story for poor Mary STENTIFORD http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/DevonCounty/MaryStentifordsSettlementExamination3.htm *The recording of child deaths was an informal matter at this time. There was no compulsion under law to bury children in a churchyard and very poor parents like Thomas and Mary may have interred the children close to their home or on the "wrong" side of the churchyard wall. All had been baptised. Little Agnes is one of just a handful of village children recorded in the Parish Register at this time. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jonfrayne@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:36 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials > Hi all > > The main reason churches can sit low compared with their churchyards is > that there are so many thousands of bodies buried in them. The flesh > decays to a small volume, but it does leave a significant volume for each > body. The churchyard plot was used and re-used many, many times. Almost > all graves are not marked-they built the church in the 14th century, say, > and there are no gravestones until the 18th century usually, so there are > 4 hundred years of bodies in there, but not recorded, for as a start. The > graves marked are on top of many other burials in the same place that are > not marked. In most churchyards you walk up a path from the gate to the > church-door with the earth of the churchyard well above you. That is not a > sinking of the path; the amount of soil from the bodies has raised the > surface. There is going to be almost no 'virgin' soil in any original > churchyard in the UK. > > The reason Town Cemeteries were started was usually that rising > populations and therefore rising death rates meant the churchyards became > even more rank than usual with the bodies barely covered in earth at all. > Epidemics, which happened fairly frequently apart from the Black Death, > only made this situation worse. Expanding cities in the 19th century with > the old parish boundaries being retained and a population then probably > 10+ times what it had been as a rural parish, coupled with poor > sanitation, led to cholera and other diseases that wiped out thousands who > all needed to be buried somewhere. Until cremation was sanctioned they all > had to be buried as well and cremation didn't start until the 20th century > in Britain, I think. > > I think it is now rare to be able to buy the freehold of a burial plot in > the UK. The norm is to lease the plot for 100 years with an option for > descendants to renew, I think. I suspect that historically the period you > used the plot for your body was considerably less than this unless you had > bought a family vault. > > Relatively few bodies were actually buried in the church itself. The > richer families could afford to buy a family sepulchre, but even then it > was usually in the churchyard. Most memorials in churches are actually > just that-a way of reminding us of the person's existence and not a marker > for their grave. Some churches that overdid the interior burials became > notorious for their rank smells. Some churches still have ossuaries-where > the bones of the dead from the undercroft and the churchyard which were > dug up, are collected together into, usually neat, stacks with bones all > sorted so skulls are in one place and thigh bones are in another etc. Just > shows how in different times there were very different attitudes to death > than now. "Alas poor Yorick" is a lament for a childhood friend who was > buried and has now been disinterred and his bones discarded in the course > of preparing another burial in the same place. As Hamlet is usually taken > still to be in his 20s, Yorick can't ha! > ve been down there more than about 15 or so years. Obviously a common > event even in the 16th century. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Robyn Waymouth > Sent: 22 January 2014 11:28 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials > > Hi Bev, > > Have you ever noticed how some churches seem to sit very low in their > surrounds? Or rather, how high the surrounds are in relation to the floor > level of the church? I saw a programme on TV once where they talked about > the medieval plague victims being buried in such numbers that the ground > level was significantly raised. > > Cheers, > > Robyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: devon@rootsweb.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:14:57 +1000 > Subject:Re: [DEV] Recording burials > > Hi Elizabeth > > I would think so to, so if a burial was in the Charles Church in Plymouth, > then I expect to know that they were buried in the church it self [if the > person was important] or in the churchyard of that church. The trouble is > there are such a lot of burials in the Registers that one wonders how they > were all fitted in with what seems a limited amount of space, and that > goes for any church in any major city. > > Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "elizabeth howard" > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:24 PM > To: > Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > > > Hi Bev. London as we all know is a parallel universe > > so what they do there is rarely anything like what we do in the > country > > ........if my parish priest in 1750 wrote buried John Brown it > would mean > > he > > buried him in the graveyard of the church , not 10 miles away or in > a > > municipal cemetary , it would mean just what he wrote. And when > they ran > > out of burial space round the church they would have either donated > glebe > > land or bought land close by which would have been the extention to > the > > churchyard. Same words would apply surely . > > > > > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat =^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "B. Edmonds" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:58 AM > > Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > > > > > >> Morning List, > >> > >> For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those > >> questions........................... > >> > >> How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard > is not > >> known? > >> > >> Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for > >> Died > >> Buried > >> > >> For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does > it > >> necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is > listed > >> in > >> St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would > just > >> the > >> service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be > buried? > >> > >> I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... > > >> Service > >> at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might > just > >> not > >> be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. > >> > >> Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the > country > >> side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. > >> > >> In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the > Church of > >> the > >> place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct > unless > >> there > >> is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does > one > >> get > >> around this? > >> > >> Bev > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------ > >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > >> and > >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > >> List archive for Devon can be found at > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6519 - Release Date: > 01/20/14 > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6525 - Release Date: 01/22/14 >

Hmm!!! I wonder how long this has been on here, did it sneak on there when I was on holiday at some time? http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/BrixhamStMary/index.html#ChurchRecords

If you search Familysearch on surname Pearce, birthplace (ticked) Modbury, Father William and Mother Grace you get the following: William Pearse christening: 26 February 1761 MODBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND father: William Pearse mother: Grace Robert Pearse christening: 29 September 1758 MODBURY,DEVON,ENGLAND father: William Pearse mother: Grace There is also: William Pearse marriage: 1 August 1756 Modbury,Devon,England spouse: Grace Ford Familysearch does not have the death of William Jr but there are a large number of possible children. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 23 January 2014 03:17 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William PEARCE of Modbury 1761 Afternoon from a cooler Qld in my neck of the woods, William PEARCE married Grace WEEKS at South Pool 29 Jan 1759. Famsearch has a William PEARCE chr. 26 Jan 1761 at Modbury s/o William & Grace. I assume that this is the same couple. Has anyone tracked this family, were there more children anywhere else? Are there any descendants to William 1761 or did he die as a baby? Is there a suitable burial in Modbury for William and Grace? I do not have their PR's worse luck. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Modbury baptism transcriptions can be found here: http://www.modbury-heritage.co.uk/modbury-parish-records.htm   There is another Pearse baptism with parents William and Grace but it is 1758 and predates the marriage.   Joy ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 23 January 2014, 3:16 Subject: [DEV] William PEARCE of Modbury 1761 Afternoon from a cooler Qld in my neck of the woods, William PEARCE married Grace WEEKS at South Pool 29 Jan 1759. Famsearch has a William PEARCE chr. 26 Jan 1761 at Modbury s/o William & Grace. I assume that this is the same couple. Has anyone tracked this family, were there more children anywhere else? Are there any descendants to William 1761 or did he die as a baby? Is there a suitable burial in Modbury for William and Grace? I do not have their PR's worse luck. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Our church in Otterton has sat on the same site since the 11c. The church registers begin in 1558 and there has been around 15 burials every year recorded, that is nearly 7'000 souls that we know about, buried in the churchyard. The churchyard walls vary in height up to about 12 feet. A few years ago, after heavy rain, the wall collapsed on one side, this had to be quickly secured and covered with tarpaulin - the soil behind the wall is about 8-9feet high in the churchyard and its contents, apparently, were visible. The Churchyard has been closed for burials (other than those who have already secured a place with family members) since around 1980, and a new cemetery consecrated nearby. One of the earliest tombstones in the churchyard - that is readable is 1650. Roz Hickman OPC Otterton -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Waymouth Sent: 22 January 2014 11:28 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials Hi Bev, Have you ever noticed how some churches seem to sit very low in their surrounds? Or rather, how high the surrounds are in relation to the floor level of the church? I saw a programme on TV once where they talked about the medieval plague victims being buried in such numbers that the ground level was significantly raised. Cheers, Robyn

Hi all The main reason churches can sit low compared with their churchyards is that there are so many thousands of bodies buried in them. The flesh decays to a small volume, but it does leave a significant volume for each body. The churchyard plot was used and re-used many, many times. Almost all graves are not marked-they built the church in the 14th century, say, and there are no gravestones until the 18th century usually, so there are 4 hundred years of bodies in there, but not recorded, for as a start. The graves marked are on top of many other burials in the same place that are not marked. In most churchyards you walk up a path from the gate to the church-door with the earth of the churchyard well above you. That is not a sinking of the path; the amount of soil from the bodies has raised the surface. There is going to be almost no 'virgin' soil in any original churchyard in the UK. The reason Town Cemeteries were started was usually that rising populations and therefore rising death rates meant the churchyards became even more rank than usual with the bodies barely covered in earth at all. Epidemics, which happened fairly frequently apart from the Black Death, only made this situation worse. Expanding cities in the 19th century with the old parish boundaries being retained and a population then probably 10+ times what it had been as a rural parish, coupled with poor sanitation, led to cholera and other diseases that wiped out thousands who all needed to be buried somewhere. Until cremation was sanctioned they all had to be buried as well and cremation didn't start until the 20th century in Britain, I think. I think it is now rare to be able to buy the freehold of a burial plot in the UK. The norm is to lease the plot for 100 years with an option for descendants to renew, I think. I suspect that historically the period you used the plot for your body was considerably less than this unless you had bought a family vault. Relatively few bodies were actually buried in the church itself. The richer families could afford to buy a family sepulchre, but even then it was usually in the churchyard. Most memorials in churches are actually just that-a way of reminding us of the person's existence and not a marker for their grave. Some churches that overdid the interior burials became notorious for their rank smells. Some churches still have ossuaries-where the bones of the dead from the undercroft and the churchyard which were dug up, are collected together into, usually neat, stacks with bones all sorted so skulls are in one place and thigh bones are in another etc. Just shows how in different times there were very different attitudes to death than now. "Alas poor Yorick" is a lament for a childhood friend who was buried and has now been disinterred and his bones discarded in the course of preparing another burial in the same place. As Hamlet is usually taken still to be in his 20s, Yorick can't ha! ve been down there more than about 15 or so years. Obviously a common event even in the 16th century. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robyn Waymouth Sent: 22 January 2014 11:28 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials Hi Bev, Have you ever noticed how some churches seem to sit very low in their surrounds? Or rather, how high the surrounds are in relation to the floor level of the church? I saw a programme on TV once where they talked about the medieval plague victims being buried in such numbers that the ground level was significantly raised. Cheers, Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: devon@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:14:57 +1000 Subject:Re: [DEV] Recording burials Hi Elizabeth I would think so to, so if a burial was in the Charles Church in Plymouth, then I expect to know that they were buried in the church it self [if the person was important] or in the churchyard of that church. The trouble is there are such a lot of burials in the Registers that one wonders how they were all fitted in with what seems a limited amount of space, and that goes for any church in any major city. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:24 PM To: Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > Hi Bev. London as we all know is a parallel universe > so what they do there is rarely anything like what we do in the country > ........if my parish priest in 1750 wrote buried John Brown it would mean > he > buried him in the graveyard of the church , not 10 miles away or in a > municipal cemetary , it would mean just what he wrote. And when they ran > out of burial space round the church they would have either donated glebe > land or bought land close by which would have been the extention to the > churchyard. Same words would apply surely . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat =^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:58 AM > Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > > >> Morning List, >> >> For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those >> questions........................... >> >> How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard is not >> known? >> >> Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for >> Died >> Buried >> >> For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does it >> necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is listed >> in >> St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would just >> the >> service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be buried? >> >> I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... >> Service >> at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might just >> not >> be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. >> >> Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the country >> side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. >> >> In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the Church of >> the >> place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct unless >> there >> is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does one >> get >> around this? >> >> Bev >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6519 - Release Date: 01/20/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev, Have you ever noticed how some churches seem to sit very low in their surrounds?  Or rather, how high the surrounds are in relation to the floor level of the church?  I saw a programme on TV once where they talked about the medieval plague victims being buried in such numbers that the ground level was significantly raised. Cheers, Robyn ----- Original Message ----- From: devon@rootsweb.com To: Cc: Sent:Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:14:57 +1000 Subject:Re: [DEV] Recording burials Hi Elizabeth I would think so to, so if a burial was in the Charles Church in Plymouth, then I expect to know that they were buried in the church it self [if the person was important] or in the churchyard of that church. The trouble is there are such a lot of burials in the Registers that one wonders how they were all fitted in with what seems a limited amount of space, and that goes for any church in any major city. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:24 PM To: Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > Hi Bev. London as we all know is a parallel universe > so what they do there is rarely anything like what we do in the country > ........if my parish priest in 1750 wrote buried John Brown it would mean > he > buried him in the graveyard of the church , not 10 miles away or in a > municipal cemetary , it would mean just what he wrote. And when they ran > out of burial space round the church they would have either donated glebe > land or bought land close by which would have been the extention to the > churchyard. Same words would apply surely . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat =^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:58 AM > Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > > >> Morning List, >> >> For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those >> questions........................... >> >> How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard is not >> known? >> >> Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for >> Died >> Buried >> >> For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does it >> necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is listed >> in >> St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would just >> the >> service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be buried? >> >> I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... >> Service >> at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might just >> not >> be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. >> >> Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the country >> side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. >> >> In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the Church of >> the >> place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct unless >> there >> is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does one >> get >> around this? >> >> Bev >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6519 - Release Date: 01/20/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Alan, Sorry for the delay in answering your message. William CHANNING and Ann TOTHILL had 3 children, one the only son was named William. William married Sophia TREE 26 January 1826 St Lawrence Church, Exeter, they had 9 children, their 1st son was also a William. Sophia TREE died June 1848 Buried St. Thomas Church Exeter. THE 1851 CENSUS FORE ST ST THOMAS EXETER WILLIAM CHANNING W 47 TAILOR EXETER WILLIAM son U 20 TAILOR EXETER SARAH dau U18 DITTO HANNAH dau U16 DITTO SAMUEL son U14 DITTO EMMA dau U 12 DITTO MATTHEW son 6 HEAVITREE/EXETER MARK son 6 DITTO FORE ST ST THOMAS EXETER Emma married Walter Roberts MALLYON and became my 2 x great grandmother. Hannah married Joseph SHEARS. My Notes. Richard TOTHILL was an Excise Officer Kingsbridge Ride, in Devon in 1796. Re Devon Family History Magazine Feb 2006. Burial outside grave Robert TOTHILL age 81 on 30 December 1890 Holy Trinity Church Exeter. George TOTHILL married Lattisha TUCKER St. Pancras Church Exeter 3 April 1687 M004651 Grace Tucker married John TOTHILL 15 October 1632 Exminster M 050541 Sent to me by someone else. My Gt X 3 Grandmother was Elizabeth Penny Tothill who was born, I think, in Exeter in around 1798. I haven't been able to trace her parents. She married Samuel Martin from Dawlish around 1825 and they lived in Exeter. I know little of her life and would love to make contact with anyone who has connections with the family. Note. In 1805 there is a lease between John Baring and Robert Tothill and John Moore Pidgley of Exeter, merchants, for premises at St Leonard`s Meadow and Burnt Oak . This is from the Anstey and Thompson solicitors of Exeter archives .. Sent to me by someone else, who was it ?. Have family tree back to William Tothill & Elizabeth Mathew M. 1529 all the way down to 1999 in seven branches including Australia, New Zealand, U.K. Africa and Canada. Many links to current Tothills missing would like some help on any branches especially USA. William Tuttle & Elizabeth born about 1635 and landing in Nehaven Conn. and decendants of special interest. Will assist anyone as much as I can. Also have coat of arms and family crest. Does anyone know the name of the church this information refers to. the south window is a coffin shaped stone with the inscription:— Here lyeth the Body of Henry Tothill of Peamore Esq: who dyed the 9th day of December Ano 1640, ætatis suæ 78. Mary the only wife of ye aforesaid Henry and sole Daughter and Heire of Nicholas Sparke, Gent: lieth also here. Near the parclose doorway is a stone with the inscription:— Here lye the bodyes of W . . . Tothill and Anne his wife who departed this life, shee ye 24th of June 1635 and hee ye 9th of June 1636 and by their desires interr'd together. William Tothill was Bailiff of Exeter in 1528, ... On the left side of the east window is a mural monument with the inscription:— This monument is erected to the memory of Grace Wife of William Tothill of the Middle Temple who havinge issue Henry, died the 24th day of Februarye 1623 in the 18th year of Her age and lieth buried in this Ile, she being the daughter of Henry Tothill of Plamount thrice Sherife of Devon and Mary his wife Beneath is a recumbent figure, in alabaster, of a female, the elbow resting on a pillow, the hand supporting the head. She wears ruff, mantle open at the front, showing the tight-fitting bodice, and long full skirt. Beneath the figure are the lines:— "Speake statue tell her story Its grace inherits Glory." John Tothill (1822 and 1844) Occupation Cork Cutter in Exeter Robert Tothill, wine merchant (1) Exeter, Devon ... Note 19 March 1801 Robert TOTHILL was elected to serve on the Committee of the Devon and Exeter Hospital for 2 years Monday 21 April 1801 Robert TOTHILL died of Exeter, a Haberdasher very honest and respectable man. Militia List 1803, Parish of St Mary Major, Exeter. John Tothill Cordwinder 1st Class, 17 to 30 unmarried and no children under 10 years Sorry Alan, this is the best I can do, if you can find any links to my family tree, I will be pleased to hear from you or anyone else. Kind regards Barbara Lewis Mallyon

My mobile/cell phone has GPS and allows the phone to record the position as part of the images metadata. This can be viewed when displaying the image and mine allows a click through to the map. The phone is 9mp so is OK for most conditions. I use Roots Magic which allows me to attach the co-ordinates to images. You can get GPS devices for most of the "professional" cameras e.g. Canon EOS. Having said all that I do find this messy and unusually just take a second image that includes a reference point such as the church. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Hayes Sent: 22 January 2014 03:12 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials On 21 Jan 2014 at 17:39, Annie Barnes wrote: > I am interested in your idea about taking GPS readings. What app do > you use and what readings do you record? There seem to be a couple of > different stats (decimal or degrees, minutes, seconds) that can be > recorded but I presume you just need one. One possible app for this purpose can be found here: http://www.billiongraves.com/ -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 2014-01-22 6:28 AM, Robyn Waymouth wrote: > Have you ever noticed how some churches seem to sit very low in their > surrounds? Or rather, how high the surrounds are in relation to the > floor level of the church? I saw a programme on TV once where they > talked about the medieval plague victims being buried in such numbers > that the ground level was significantly raised. > When we visited Saint Michael's Church at East Buckland that was what I first noticed that the Church seemed to be down in a hollow with the graveyard appearing to be higher. I wondered if they were hiding the Church from the Vikings. -- Elizabeth (Blake) Kipp BA PLCGS BLAKE-one-name-study, PINCOMBE-one-name-study Guild of One Name Studies #4600 Website: http://www.kipp-blake-families.ca/elizabethmain.htm Blog: http://kippeeb.blogspot.ca/

For those of us overseas, a wonderful array of photo's can be found here. Scroll right to the bottom. http://www.cyber-heritage.co.uk/ Bev

Hi Elizabeth I would think so to, so if a burial was in the Charles Church in Plymouth, then I expect to know that they were buried in the church it self [if the person was important] or in the churchyard of that church. The trouble is there are such a lot of burials in the Registers that one wonders how they were all fitted in with what seems a limited amount of space, and that goes for any church in any major city. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:24 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > Hi Bev. London as we all know is a parallel universe > so what they do there is rarely anything like what we do in the country > ........if my parish priest in 1750 wrote buried John Brown it would mean > he > buried him in the graveyard of the church , not 10 miles away or in a > municipal cemetary , it would mean just what he wrote. And when they ran > out of burial space round the church they would have either donated glebe > land or bought land close by which would have been the extention to the > churchyard. Same words would apply surely . > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:58 AM > Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > > >> Morning List, >> >> For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those >> questions........................... >> >> How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard is not >> known? >> >> Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for >> Died >> Buried >> >> For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does it >> necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is listed >> in >> St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would just >> the >> service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be buried? >> >> I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... >> Service >> at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might just >> not >> be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. >> >> Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the country >> side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. >> >> In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the Church of >> the >> place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct unless >> there >> is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does one >> get >> around this? >> >> Bev >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6519 - Release Date: 01/20/14 >