I would be happy to get beyond 1650 on hubby's direct line let alone 1600. I have a ton of groups in the same area, but when church records are needed the most they are not available or are damaged and unreadable. Then the question arises, is the John and Mary in one parish 3 doors away, the same as the John and Unknown [wife's name not mentioned in PR] in the parish of interest? Bev 3) Do NOT make the newbie's No 1 mistake of thinking you can log on to the Internet and have your family tree back to William the Conqueror by tea-time. You can't! Most of we more experienced family historians have been in this business for years and if you can get back beyond 1600 you are doing well. The Internet is a wonderful tool but it is only an adjunct to the main event. Researching your family history - and, more importantly, getting it accurate - still involves many hours of basic research the old-fashioned way - and that means tracking down original records, whether in Record Offices or at Mormon Family History Centres. -------------------------------------------------- From: "liverpud" <liverpud-49@rogers.com> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:52 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Newbies -- a Guide to Genealogy > > > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > A good site from Roy Stockdill. > > Welcome to the club... Devon-L. > > > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ronald E. Schultz > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:46 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > Hello: A bit more about Henry Thomas. I have not found his immigration > records to the US, but it seems that he might have become around 1834. > He married in New York State and began a family here with first child > born Jan 1837. His wife was from NY state. I did go onto familysearch > and found a Henry Thomas born 21 May 1809 in Roborough by Torrengton, > Devon. He was the son of William and Agnes. I also found four other > children born in same town and same parents. I found parents married 23 > Mar 1800 in Yarnscombe, Devon. Agnes Heale was brides name. As US > records said he was born in May 1809 this looks promising. How can one > go about proving that this is the correct person? > > >> >> I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my >> first >> question is very routine. All I have is some basic information about >> my >> ancestor. His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. His >> obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I have as of this >> date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism >> records might be kept. I do not even know if Thomas is a common last >> name in Devon. Could someone write to let me know the first steps in >> beginning my search. I thank you in advanced. >> >> -- >> Ronald E. Schultz >> 3970 Joy Road >> Occidental, CA 95465 >> >> leutsch@sonic.net >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA 95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6530 - Release Date: 01/24/14 >

Bev: >Looking for anyone please who might have a Margaret GLANFYLL and a Annis >GLANFILL who turn up in Stokenham Wouldn't you know it? I have Glanfields in my tree too, but of course not in Stokenham. >There does not appear to be any baptisms to John DUNNING and Annis in >Stokenham, so do they go elsewehere? Perhaps as in Widecombe there are large gaps in the surviving parish registers. Regards, John Moore

Not sure Mick, this is one for the experts I am afraid. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "mick" <bareman@tpg.com.au> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:40 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Rose Edmonds & John Radford > On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 08:18:52 +1000 > "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi Judy, >> >> I do not even have a Rose [usually Rosamund] EDMONDS who would fit, >> so maybe she came from out of Devon [even though she says otp when she >> married]. >> > Can "of this parish" include those who have been given settlement in the > parish in question or am I mixing up Church and administrative parishes > > mick > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6530 - Release Date: 01/24/14 >

Hi Judy, I do not even have this family in my data base so I am intrigued, given that I try to trace down every EDMONDS/EDMUNDS who ever breathed anywhere near Devon. I do not even have a Rose [usually Rosamund] EDMONDS who would fit, so maybe she came from out of Devon [even though she says otp when she married]. Are you able to give me the baptism dates for the children please, although I can e-mail the OPC for them if you are too busy? Regards Bev Qld -------------------------------------------------- From: "Judy & John Smith" <jsmi7918@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 5:26 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Rose Edmonds & John Radford > Hi Bev > I have John RADFORD, of this Parish, marrying Rose EDMUNDS/EDMONDS, o.t.p. > at Colaton Raleigh, 2/2/1769: John made his mark & Rose signed her own > name. > Witnesses: John Pike & Martha ???ffcott (not Radford or Edmonds) > > Their 9 children were all baptised at Colaton Raleigh. > > John Radford & Rose nee Edmonds are both buried at Colaton Raleigh: John > on > March 19 1820, aged 73 years & Rose on May 2 1824, aged 80 years. > > Rose's baptism does not appear in the Colaton Raleigh records, so she may > have come from somewhere else, in spite of what her marriage record says. > > They are my gt x 6 grandparents. > > Do you think she fits into your family anywhere? > > Regards > Judy > South Australia > > -----Original Message----- > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6527 - Release Date: 01/23/14 >

I've not been following this line of thought too closely. So have no idea of the dates involved. However I did come across this while looking for something else with regard to the name of Bennet(t). I never did find what I was looking for. last name: Bennett first names: Elisha Burial date : 19 December 1865 Authority London: Borough of Camden Location: St Pancras Cemetery (Camden) -----Original Message----- From: Diana Stevens Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:20 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV Hi Elizabeth Yes definitely a grocer, I assumed they were both fellow servants … Cullompton sounds best but I can't find a likely candidate in any of the places. Another Thomas Ackland mystery! Diana On 23/01/2014, at 9:49 PM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi, I think Elisha Bennet is a grocer not a groom , > and Cullum is possibly Cullompton , more so than the others. I think Pot > in > Surr-Pot may mean elect but not yet appointed. Nice will though. > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:33 AM > Subject: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV > > > Being able to read the PCC wills on Ancestry led me to find the will > below. > On Discovery it says 'of Richmond Surrey' but Ancestry did not nominate a > place. > > Any opinions about where Cullum is? Could be Cullompton, Culmstock, Culm > Davie in Hemyock or Columb John in Broadclyst. Maybe I have interpreted it > incorrectly, apart from the 'C' it is just a line of squiggles! > > Charles Price, to whom probate was granted, was an MP and Lord Mayor of > London at this time. It seems he paid well if a footman could accumulate > £140. > > Can someone tell me what 'Pot' is please (or have I interpreted that > incorrectly, the second letter is unclear)? > J Sewell Surrogate – 'Pot' Wm Moore Notary Public ~ > > Diana ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/links.htm and on Devon FHS's Links pages as well, Edna :-) Cheers, Maureen DFHS 4019 On 24/01/2014 22:52, liverpud wrote: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > A good site from Roy Stockdill. > > Welcome to the club... Devon-L. > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Hi Ronald, Castle Garden (http://www.castlegarden.org) has a Henry Thomas emigrating from England and arriving 27 Mar 1837. He is shown as a labourer, aged 28, so that seems to fit. Ancestry then has this: Name: Henry Thomas Arrival Date: 27 Mar 1837 Age: 28 Gender: M (Male) Port of Arrival: New York Port of Departure: London Place of Origin: Great Britain Occupation: Laborer Destination: New York Ship: Ship St. James Microfilm Serial Number: M237 Microfilm Roll Number: 33 List Number: 152 The image of the passenger list seems to show that Henry is travelling alone, or at least without any family members. It may be difficult to prove that your Henry in New York was a particular Henry in Devon. If you're lucky, a family member from England may turn up living with or near your guy in the US, in which case you then have something to check in the England records. If he left a will, he might mention siblings. Ideally, you want to find all the people born in Devon around the right time and with the name Henry Thomas, but that's not easy to do, as all the Parish Registers have not been transcribed. Using FreeSearch and FreeREG is a start, but they give an incomplete picture. Sorry for the doom & gloom ! Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald E. Schultz Sent: 24 January 2014 19:47 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Henry Thomas Hello: A bit more about Henry Thomas. I have not found his immigration records to the US, but it seems that he might have become around 1834. He married in New York State and began a family here with first child born Jan 1837. His wife was from NY state. I did go onto familysearch and found a Henry Thomas born 21 May 1809 in Roborough by Torrengton, Devon. He was the son of William and Agnes. I also found four other children born in same town and same parents. I found parents married 23 Mar 1800 in Yarnscombe, Devon. Agnes Heale was brides name. As US records said he was born in May 1809 this looks promising. How can one go about proving that this is the correct person? > > I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my > first > question is very routine. All I have is some basic information about > my > ancestor. His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. His > obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I have as of this > date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism > records might be kept. I do not even know if Thomas is a common last > name in Devon. Could someone write to let me know the first steps in > beginning my search. I thank you in advanced. > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA 95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is more detail available from US records such as census, naturalisation and passenger lists. Paul ________________________________ From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 24 January 2014, 18:41 Subject: [DEV] Introduction I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my first question is very routine.  All I have is some basic information about my ancestor.  His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809.  His obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire.  I have as of this date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism records might be kept.  I do not even know if Thomas is a common last name in Devon.  Could someone write to let me know the first steps in beginning my search.  I thank you in advanced. -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA  95465 leutsch@sonic.net ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you tried familysearch.org? Regards, Dene -----Original Message----- From: Ronald E. Schultz Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 6:41 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Introduction I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my first question is very routine. All I have is some basic information about my ancestor. His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. His obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I have as of this date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism records might be kept. I do not even know if Thomas is a common last name in Devon. Could someone write to let me know the first steps in beginning my search. I thank you in advanced. -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev I think burial is even now a matter of disposing of the body as you wish as long as it doesn't cause a public nuisance (and there are some pretty clear rules about that unsurprisingly). I haven't come across that one before which is really poignant. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 23 January 2014 01:33 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Recording burials [re Mary STENTIFORD [GILL] 1824 ] Hi Jonathon, I have just come across this quote on Devon Heritage for Brixham. Rather a sad story for poor Mary STENTIFORD http://www.devonheritage.org/Places/DevonCounty/MaryStentifordsSettlementExa mination3.htm *The recording of child deaths was an informal matter at this time. There was no compulsion under law to bury children in a churchyard and very poor parents like Thomas and Mary may have interred the children close to their home or on the "wrong" side of the churchyard wall. All had been baptised. Little Agnes is one of just a handful of village children recorded in the Parish Register at this time. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jonfrayne@btinternet.com> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:36 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials > Hi all > > The main reason churches can sit low compared with their churchyards is > that there are so many thousands of bodies buried in them. The flesh > decays to a small volume, but it does leave a significant volume for each > body. The churchyard plot was used and re-used many, many times. Almost > all graves are not marked-they built the church in the 14th century, say, > and there are no gravestones until the 18th century usually, so there are > 4 hundred years of bodies in there, but not recorded, for as a start. The > graves marked are on top of many other burials in the same place that are > not marked. In most churchyards you walk up a path from the gate to the > church-door with the earth of the churchyard well above you. That is not a > sinking of the path; the amount of soil from the bodies has raised the > surface. There is going to be almost no 'virgin' soil in any original > churchyard in the UK. > > The reason Town Cemeteries were started was usually that rising > populations and therefore rising death rates meant the churchyards became > even more rank than usual with the bodies barely covered in earth at all. > Epidemics, which happened fairly frequently apart from the Black Death, > only made this situation worse. Expanding cities in the 19th century with > the old parish boundaries being retained and a population then probably > 10+ times what it had been as a rural parish, coupled with poor > sanitation, led to cholera and other diseases that wiped out thousands who > all needed to be buried somewhere. Until cremation was sanctioned they all > had to be buried as well and cremation didn't start until the 20th century > in Britain, I think. > > I think it is now rare to be able to buy the freehold of a burial plot in > the UK. The norm is to lease the plot for 100 years with an option for > descendants to renew, I think. I suspect that historically the period you > used the plot for your body was considerably less than this unless you had > bought a family vault. > > Relatively few bodies were actually buried in the church itself. The > richer families could afford to buy a family sepulchre, but even then it > was usually in the churchyard. Most memorials in churches are actually > just that-a way of reminding us of the person's existence and not a marker > for their grave. Some churches that overdid the interior burials became > notorious for their rank smells. Some churches still have ossuaries-where > the bones of the dead from the undercroft and the churchyard which were > dug up, are collected together into, usually neat, stacks with bones all > sorted so skulls are in one place and thigh bones are in another etc. Just > shows how in different times there were very different attitudes to death > than now. "Alas poor Yorick" is a lament for a childhood friend who was > buried and has now been disinterred and his bones discarded in the course > of preparing another burial in the same place. As Hamlet is usually taken > still to be in his 20s, Yorick can't ha! > ve been down there more than about 15 or so years. Obviously a common > event even in the 16th century. > > Jon > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Robyn Waymouth > Sent: 22 January 2014 11:28 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Recording burials > > Hi Bev, > > Have you ever noticed how some churches seem to sit very low in their > surrounds? Or rather, how high the surrounds are in relation to the floor > level of the church? I saw a programme on TV once where they talked about > the medieval plague victims being buried in such numbers that the ground > level was significantly raised. > > Cheers, > > Robyn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: devon@rootsweb.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:14:57 +1000 > Subject:Re: [DEV] Recording burials > > Hi Elizabeth > > I would think so to, so if a burial was in the Charles Church in Plymouth, > then I expect to know that they were buried in the church it self [if the > person was important] or in the churchyard of that church. The trouble is > there are such a lot of burials in the Registers that one wonders how they > were all fitted in with what seems a limited amount of space, and that > goes for any church in any major city. > > Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "elizabeth howard" > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 8:24 PM > To: > Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > > > Hi Bev. London as we all know is a parallel universe > > so what they do there is rarely anything like what we do in the > country > > ........if my parish priest in 1750 wrote buried John Brown it > would mean > > he > > buried him in the graveyard of the church , not 10 miles away or in > a > > municipal cemetary , it would mean just what he wrote. And when > they ran > > out of burial space round the church they would have either donated > glebe > > land or bought land close by which would have been the extention to > the > > churchyard. Same words would apply surely . > > > > > > > > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat =^..^=/// > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "B. Edmonds" > > To: > > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 12:58 AM > > Subject: [DEV] Recording burials > > > > > >> Morning List, > >> > >> For years I have wanted to ask this, but it is one of those > >> questions........................... > >> > >> How does everyone record a place of burial if the exact churchyard > is not > >> known? > >> > >> Generally Family Tree Programs have spots for > >> Died > >> Buried > >> > >> For instance, if the burial is noted in a Parish Church PR, does > it > >> necessarily mean they were buried there? In London, if a burial is > listed > >> in > >> St Mary Fulham in 1857, would the child be buried there, or would > just > >> the > >> service be held there, and the child be taken elsewhere to be > buried? > >> > >> I have just started entering in Buried [place in my program] as... > > >> Service > >> at St Mary Fulham, which then covers the fact that the child might > just > >> not > >> be buried at that Church but in another cemetery. > >> > >> Where I live, no churches have a burial ground [unless in the > country > >> side], there is just one major cemetery and a crematorium. > >> > >> In the past, I have always just put the place of burial in the > Church of > >> the > >> place the entry was found, which I know is not strictly correct > unless > >> there > >> is a tombstone to prove it [or a Sexton's Book], but how else does > one > >> get > >> around this? > >> > >> Bev > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------ > >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > >> and > >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > >> List archive for Devon can be found at > >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6519 - Release Date: > 01/20/14 > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6525 - Release Date: 01/22/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev I have John RADFORD, of this Parish, marrying Rose EDMUNDS/EDMONDS, o.t.p. at Colaton Raleigh, 2/2/1769: John made his mark & Rose signed her own name. Witnesses: John Pike & Martha ???ffcott (not Radford or Edmonds) Their 9 children were all baptised at Colaton Raleigh. John Radford & Rose nee Edmonds are both buried at Colaton Raleigh: John on March 19 1820, aged 73 years & Rose on May 2 1824, aged 80 years. Rose's baptism does not appear in the Colaton Raleigh records, so she may have come from somewhere else, in spite of what her marriage record says. They are my gt x 6 grandparents. Do you think she fits into your family anywhere? Regards Judy South Australia -----Original Message----- --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html A good site from Roy Stockdill. Welcome to the club... Devon-L. Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Ronald E. Schultz Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 2:46 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Henry Thomas Hello: A bit more about Henry Thomas. I have not found his immigration records to the US, but it seems that he might have become around 1834. He married in New York State and began a family here with first child born Jan 1837. His wife was from NY state. I did go onto familysearch and found a Henry Thomas born 21 May 1809 in Roborough by Torrengton, Devon. He was the son of William and Agnes. I also found four other children born in same town and same parents. I found parents married 23 Mar 1800 in Yarnscombe, Devon. Agnes Heale was brides name. As US records said he was born in May 1809 this looks promising. How can one go about proving that this is the correct person? > > I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my > first > question is very routine. All I have is some basic information about > my > ancestor. His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. His > obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I have as of this > date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism > records might be kept. I do not even know if Thomas is a common last > name in Devon. Could someone write to let me know the first steps in > beginning my search. I thank you in advanced. > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA 95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>Can "of this parish" include those who have been given settlement in >the parish in question Yes, having worked or apprenticed there for long enough. Regards, John Moore

Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New York in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest of there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the family in the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 census, Genesee county seemed to have a number of people born in England. Ron On 2014-01-24 14:50, Mike Gould wrote: > Hi Ronald, > > Castle Garden (http://www.castlegarden.org) has a Henry Thomas > emigrating from England and arriving 27 Mar 1837. He is shown as a > labourer, aged 28, so that seems to fit. > > Ancestry then has this: > > Name: > Henry Thomas > Arrival Date: > 27 Mar 1837 > Age: > 28 > Gender: > M (Male) > Port of Arrival: > New York > Port of Departure: > London > Place of Origin: > Great Britain > Occupation: > Laborer > Destination: > New York > Ship: > Ship St. James > Microfilm Serial Number: > M237 > Microfilm Roll Number: > 33 > List Number: > 152 > > The image of the passenger list seems to show that Henry is travelling > alone, or at least without any family members. > > It may be difficult to prove that your Henry in New York was a > particular Henry in Devon. If you're lucky, a family member from > England may turn up living with or near your guy in the US, in which > case you then have something to check in the England records. If he > left a will, he might mention siblings. Ideally, you want to find all > the people born in Devon around the right time and with the name Henry > Thomas, but that's not easy to do, as all the Parish Registers have > not been transcribed. Using FreeSearch and FreeREG is a start, but > they give an incomplete picture. > > Sorry for the doom & gloom ! > > Best wishes, > > Mike Gould > Leicestershire > > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ronald E. Schultz > Sent: 24 January 2014 19:47 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > Hello: A bit more about Henry Thomas. I have not found his immigration > records to the US, but it seems that he might have become around 1834. > He married in New York State and began a family here with first child > born Jan 1837. His wife was from NY state. I did go onto familysearch > and found a Henry Thomas born 21 May 1809 in Roborough by Torrengton, > Devon. He was the son of William and Agnes. I also found four other > children born in same town and same parents. I found parents married > 23 > Mar 1800 in Yarnscombe, Devon. Agnes Heale was brides name. As US > records said he was born in May 1809 this looks promising. How can one > go about proving that this is the correct person? > > >> >> I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my >> first >> question is very routine. All I have is some basic information about >> my >> ancestor. His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. >> His >> obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I have as of >> this >> date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism >> records might be kept. I do not even know if Thomas is a common last >> name in Devon. Could someone write to let me know the first steps in >> beginning my search. I thank you in advanced. >> >> -- >> Ronald E. Schultz >> 3970 Joy Road >> Occidental, CA 95465 >> >> leutsch@sonic.net >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA 95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net

Ronald: >His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. His >obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I can find no Henry Thomas in Devon in the 1891 census, which was taken on 6 Apr, so if his death was before that he wouldn't be recorded anyway. There is one in 1881 that seems to fit. He was a widowed pauper, aged 73, stone mason, born in Dartmouth. He was living in the workhouse at Wolborough, which is about 15 miles from Dartmouth. Does any of this fit with the info you have? Or are there any other tiny bits of data you do have? Regards, John Moore

Famsearch Gregory NORRISH married Johan MAN at Widecombe 3 Feb 1599 Ann NORRISH d/o Gregory chr 22 Jul 1599 Margaret NORIS chr 4 Nov 1602 Richard NORRICE or NORRISHE 19 Oct 1600 Dunes NORRIS 7 Jul 1605. Did wife Johan die and is she buried in Widecombe? Has anyone got the PR's or Dartmoor Press CD to check please? many thanks. Then the following: John NORRIS chr 25 Mar 1607 s/o Gregorye in Stokenham. I did not find a burial for Johan MAN in Stokenham, so did she go back to Widecombe if this is the same Gregory. All the dates fit, just need a burial for Johan MAN to prove it. Gregory NORRICE marries Johane?? EDMONDS 19 Nov 1609 Stokenham. Bev

Hello: A bit more about Henry Thomas. I have not found his immigration records to the US, but it seems that he might have become around 1834. He married in New York State and began a family here with first child born Jan 1837. His wife was from NY state. I did go onto familysearch and found a Henry Thomas born 21 May 1809 in Roborough by Torrengton, Devon. He was the son of William and Agnes. I also found four other children born in same town and same parents. I found parents married 23 Mar 1800 in Yarnscombe, Devon. Agnes Heale was brides name. As US records said he was born in May 1809 this looks promising. How can one go about proving that this is the correct person? > > I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my > first > question is very routine.  All I have is some basic information about > my > ancestor.  His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809.  His > obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire.  I have as of this > date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism > records might be kept.  I do not even know if Thomas is a common last > name in Devon.  Could someone write to let me know the first steps in > beginning my search.  I thank you in advanced. > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA  95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net

I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my first question is very routine. All I have is some basic information about my ancestor. His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. His obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I have as of this date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism records might be kept. I do not even know if Thomas is a common last name in Devon. Could someone write to let me know the first steps in beginning my search. I thank you in advanced. -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net

Barbara, Thank you for the Tothill etc details, I will try to work my way through them in the near future. However I note you have not included any reference to the Elliott connection which you noted in your first email. Do you have that detail? Again many thanks for the other information. Regards, Alan -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Mallyon Sent: Wednesday, 22 January 2014 10:41 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Surnames CHANNING, TREE, SHEARS,TOTHILL, ELLIOTT Hello Alan, Sorry for the delay in answering your message. William CHANNING and Ann TOTHILL had 3 children, one the only son was named William. William married Sophia TREE 26 January 1826 St Lawrence Church, Exeter, they had 9 children, their 1st son was also a William. Sophia TREE died June 1848 Buried St. Thomas Church Exeter.

Hello Bev, nothing about WIDGER, and you and I strive to find our EDMONDS connections, but I do wonder if it is possible to piece together any of our families back that far - 1600s. Especially if they were "ordinary folk" without workhouse, parish relief, offences or even connections with those of the "middling people". I'm no expert, but it seems that so often not all people were recorded - a bit of a hit and miss situation. Can anyone provide more positive advice? Regardless, we don't give up easily do we and like you, I will keep on trawling through any records that come to hand. cheers, Diane - Western Australia On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 7:50 AM, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Morning, > > My mission this year is to look for all those odds and ends and try to see > what I can find that might just link some families. Trouble is I have tons > of them. > Having given up on William PEARSE and Grace for the time being I have > turned > my attention back to Stokenham. > > Thomas WIDGER married Margaret EDMONDS 8 Dec 1617 > > I have not been able to find a baptism in Stokenham for this Thomas, > however > there is one on Famsearch at Wolborough & Newton 14 Jul 1594 s/o William > who > would fit. > > There is also a Thomas WEEGER who married Margaret SHEY at Paignton 30 Dec > 1589 which is closer and could have had a son Thomas. > The majority it seems come from Ilsington though. > > Oddly enough I discovered some WIDGER'S in the early records which match > names from Ilsington on famsearch. They being the ones below. > > Stokenham > Jno: s/o Peter WIGER married Grace LYST?? in 1577 > > John STONE married Grace WIDGER 3 Jul 1581 > Thomas PYNWILL married Margery [crossed out] Tomsine WIDGER 30 Oct 1581, > her > name a little hard to get the correct spelling, but it is meant to be > Tomsine. > > John had a son Arthur in 1578 but this baby died. > > Has anyone done an depth study of the name WIDGER? Please be in touch. > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >