Have you contacted the Sleeman on name study sleeman@one-name.org -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David L. Langenberg Sent: 25 January 2014 14:40 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] ROCKEY, SLEEMAN I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock. I cannot find Salome SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district (9 248). John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland in 1865. (No relationship specified.) The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of Salome ROCKEY. There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY. Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," which is why I am seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi David, Using FMP, there are two baptisms in Tavistock for Daughters of John and Salome Sleeman Namely Mary Ann i n 1813 and Harriet in 1817. Then when i did a search for Harriet Sleeman found this possible for 1841 Census William Sleeman aged 20 Harriet Sleeman aged 14 Salima Sleeman aged 60 All three given as born in Devon. Living in Rubytown, Tavistock. Census Ref H0107 - Piece 249 - Folio 5 - p 5. 1851 Cenus William is married but sister Harrioet is living with him. Ref HO107 - Piece 1883 - Folio 351 - p 13. Hope this helps. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926. On 25/01/2014 14:39, David L. Langenberg wrote: > I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock. I cannot find Salome SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district (9 248). John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland in 1865. (No relationship specified.) The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of Salome ROCKEY. There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY. Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," which is why I am seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA >

As far as I can see there is no such name [at least not on famsearch] of this name, so what could it be? Nicholas s/o Nicholas PULISBER chr 3 Apr 1631 Stokenham Any takers at a guess at what it is meant to be? No other close baptisms, so must be a stray in the parish of Stokenham Bev

Bev, The first message was rejected because my computer, unless I watch it, wants to send mail under another e-mail address which is not recognized by the list. I think the message was "Perhaps PULSIPHER?" Then I did a little more digging and came up with the additional information in the message you saw. David On Jan 25, 2014, at 2:58 PM, B. Edmonds wrote: > Thanks David, I did not get that first e-mail from you or the List, so it > must still be flying around out there. > > As you suggest it must be a version of PULSIPHER which now makes sense to > me. Thanks Bev > > re Perhaps PULSIPHER? > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@mac.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:24 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Nicholas PULISBER c 1600 > >> A little bit more on PULSIPHER. It's not an unknown name in the United >> States, but apparently it is rarer in England and perhaps more often >> occurs with the spelling PULCIFER or PULSIFER. Apparently most of the US >> PULSIPHERs descend from a Benedict PULSIPHER of unknown origin in England, >> in the middle of the 17th century (i.e., a little after the Great >> Migration). A cursory search on English censuses indicates to me that it >> may be more of a Midlands name than a West Country one. >> >> David >> >> On Jan 25, 2014, at 7:24 AM, David L. Langenberg wrote: >> >>> Perhaps PULSIPHER? >>> >>> David >>> >>> On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:15 AM, B. Edmonds wrote: >>> >>>> As far as I can see there is no such name [at least not on famsearch] of >>>> this name, so what could it be? >>>> >>>> Nicholas s/o Nicholas PULISBER chr 3 Apr 1631 Stokenham >>>> >>>> Any takers at a guess at what it is meant to be? No other close >>>> baptisms, so >>>> must be a stray in the parish of Stokenham >>>> >>>> Bev >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------ >>>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>>> and >>>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6530 - Release Date: 01/24/14 >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Under Miscellaneous Wants in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette Friday 08 January 1897 I found the following: TO MINISTERS, PARISH CLERKS, AND OTHERS WANTED, MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE of WILLIAM CHALLICE, late of Lapford, Devon, and CHARLOTTE W. PARTRIDGE, about the year 1810 (?). One Guinea will be paid for same or information leading to confirmation of the same. Apply, EDWARD J. BRUTTON, Solicitor, Exeter. These were my 3x great grandparents, and I have the application for a marriage licence, a copy of the parish record, and a newspaper cutting to show that William Challice married Charlotte Wills Partridge in Lapford parish church 6th April 1818. Charlotte died in 1828 and William in 1833, leaving five children aged between 5 and 15 years. Can anyone suggest why a solicitor would have been looking for proof of their marriage so long after the deaths of William and Charlotte? And are there any CHALLICE or PARTRIDGE descendants reading this? Paul Challice Daventry UK

Deborah: Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other dates. Names for his children are: Emma M (his only daughter) George H James Philip Henry H Daniel William (my family line) Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, Livingston County. From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford living with the family. She was born in England, year 1835. The next year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All other marriages were with US born women. Ron Schultz On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry > Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I can > see > no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, > this is > certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. > William & > Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - > 12 Feb 1815 Mary > 13 Sep 1818 James > 18 Feb 1821 Ann > > William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: > > THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon > THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon > JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon > Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, > Roborough > > > > Regards, >   > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be no > census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very > difficult.  Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there > may be > several candidates that remain hidden to view.  >   > You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by > Torrington is the right one.  There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for > Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's > absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather > than emigration. > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >   > What happened to the other children of William and Agnes?   If they > don't > appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are > there > any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee > county?  Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or > names of > marriage witnesses who might be family?  Did Henry name any of his > children > William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter > after > their paternal grandparents >   > Regards, >   > Joy >   > > ________________________________ > From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > > Mike:  Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in > the New York.  He had to marry and his first child was born in New York > in Jan 1837.  Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest > of > there life in Genesee county, New York.  I can easily find the family > in > the US census and the NEw York census.  From the 1850 census, Genesee > county seemed to have a number of people born in England.  Ron > > > > > >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net

Hi, assuming Henry`s child born in NY in 1837 was his child and he did not marry the mother thus becoming the step father of this child, is there a marriage cert in NY and if so what does it show ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Deborah O'Brien" <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com> To: "'Joy Langdon'" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I can see no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, this is certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. William & Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - 12 Feb 1815 Mary 13 Sep 1818 James 18 Feb 1821 Ann William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, Roborough Regards, Deborah O'Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be no census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there may be several candidates that remain hidden to view. You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather than emigration. http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they don't appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are there any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee county? Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or names of marriage witnesses who might be family? Did Henry name any of his children William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter after their paternal grandparents Regards, Joy ________________________________ From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New York in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest of there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the family in the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 census, Genesee county seemed to have a number of people born in England. Ron >> ------------------------------- >> > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev It seems as though both Rose EDMONDS & John RADFORD were born elsewhere. Another researcher thought Rose may have been born in Ide, but I cannot confirm that. Their children, all baptised at Colaton Raleigh, were as follows: Thomas Radford bp 28/12/1769; (mar. Elizabeth Hellier 18/12/1788 Colaton Raleigh) John Radford bp 5/7/1772 William Radford bp 18/4/1775 Sarah Radford bp 18/2/1778 Rosabella Radford bp 28/12/1780 James Radford bp 15/3/1784, buried 4/9/1784 James Radford bp 1/2/1787 Mary Ann Radford bp 22/4/1790 Regards Judy -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014 8:49 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Rose Edmonds & John Radford Hi Judy, I do not even have this family in my data base so I am intrigued, given that I try to trace down every EDMONDS/EDMUNDS who ever breathed anywhere near Devon. I do not even have a Rose [usually Rosamund] EDMONDS who would fit, so maybe she came from out of Devon [even though she says otp when she married]. Are you able to give me the baptism dates for the children please, although I can e-mail the OPC for them if you are too busy? Regards Bev Qld -------------------------------------------------- From: "Judy & John Smith" <jsmi7918@bigpond.net.au> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 5:26 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Rose Edmonds & John Radford > Hi Bev > I have John RADFORD, of this Parish, marrying Rose EDMUNDS/EDMONDS, o.t.p. > at Colaton Raleigh, 2/2/1769: John made his mark & Rose signed her own > name. > Witnesses: John Pike & Martha ???ffcott (not Radford or Edmonds) > > Their 9 children were all baptised at Colaton Raleigh. > > John Radford & Rose nee Edmonds are both buried at Colaton Raleigh: John > on > March 19 1820, aged 73 years & Rose on May 2 1824, aged 80 years. > > Rose's baptism does not appear in the Colaton Raleigh records, so she may > have come from somewhere else, in spite of what her marriage record says. > > They are my gt x 6 grandparents. > > Do you think she fits into your family anywhere? > > Regards > Judy > South Australia > > -----Original Message----- > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6527 - Release Date: 01/23/14 > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I can see no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, this is certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. William & Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - 12 Feb 1815 Mary 13 Sep 1818 James 18 Feb 1821 Ann William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, Roborough Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be no census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very difficult.  Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there may be several candidates that remain hidden to view.    You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by Torrington is the right one.  There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather than emigration. http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy   What happened to the other children of William and Agnes?   If they don't appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are there any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee county?  Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or names of marriage witnesses who might be family?  Did Henry name any of his children William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter after their paternal grandparents   Regards,   Joy   ________________________________ From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas Mike:  Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in the New York.  He had to marry and his first child was born in New York in Jan 1837.  Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest of there life in Genesee county, New York.  I can easily find the family in the US census and the NEw York census.  From the 1850 census, Genesee county seemed to have a number of people born in England.  Ron >> ------------------------------- >> > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Morning This on the Somerset List this morning, there are Devon folk in the pages...........namely William WILLIAMS of Honiton, druggist, pg 91 Elias SCOVERN of Musbury, pg 94 Henry CROSS of St Petrock, pg 94 There are sure to be others, in fact there are. Happy hunting Bev

A tree (yours) on Ancestry has his obituary and it says he was born May 1809 and that he came to USA c1834 Here is a christening for May 1809 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7SL-LJX Not saying it's him but......... However his gravestone says he was born 1808 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi? page=gr&GSln=THOM&GSfn=H&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=36&GScntry=4&GSsr=241&GRid=69024354& As he seems to have emigrated before the English census we can't trace him via those. It would have helped if the ages on the US census were consistent Sheila. ======================================== Message Received: Jan 24 2014, 06:44 PM From: "Ronald E. Schultz" To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: [DEV] Introduction I am new on this list as I just subscribed yesterday. I am sure my first question is very routine. All I have is some basic information about my ancestor. His name was Henry Thomas and born in May 1808 or 1809. His obituary of 1891 stated that he was from Devonshire. I have as of this date no information on his parents or location of parish where baptism records might be kept. I do not even know if Thomas is a common last name in Devon. Could someone write to let me know the first steps in beginning my search. I thank you in advanced. -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks, Alan, for the suggestion! David On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:50 AM, Alan Nelson wrote: > Have you contacted the Sleeman on name study sleeman@one-name.org > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of David L. Langenberg > Sent: 25 January 2014 14:40 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] ROCKEY, SLEEMAN > > I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome > ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock. > I cannot find Salome SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a > Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district > (9 248). John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey > SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland > in 1865. (No relationship specified.) The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in > the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may > be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of > Salome ROCKEY. There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is > possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY. Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," > which is why I am seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tim, More helpful indeed! I do not have access to FindMyPast, so I appreciate your checking it. I never would have thought of "Salima" instead of "Salome" (though in retrospect, it's not that far off). Looks the Ancestry's name algorithm, which is generally too loose, wasn't loose enough in this case. I will be sure to go to Ancestry's version of the 1841 and 1851 Censuses. But it's beginning to look like husband John SLEEMAN might have died early (or at least before 1841) and that if John Rockey SLEEMAN was really John and Salome SLEEMAN's son, he wasn't living with his mother in 1841. Thanks again. Regards, David On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) wrote: > Hi David, > Using FMP, there are two baptisms in Tavistock for Daughters of > John and Salome Sleeman > Namely Mary Ann i n 1813 and Harriet in 1817. > > Then when i did a search for Harriet Sleeman found this possible for > 1841 Census > William Sleeman aged 20 > Harriet Sleeman aged 14 > Salima Sleeman aged 60 > > All three given as born in Devon. > Living in Rubytown, Tavistock. Census Ref H0107 - Piece 249 - Folio 5 - p 5. > > 1851 Cenus William is married but sister Harrioet is living with him. > > Ref HO107 - Piece 1883 - Folio 351 - p 13. > > Hope this helps. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926. > > On 25/01/2014 14:39, David L. Langenberg wrote: >> I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock. I cannot find Salome SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district (9 248). John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland in 1865. (No relationship specified.) The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of Salome ROCKEY. There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY. Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," which is why I am seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. >> >> David Langenberg >> Newark, Delaware, USA >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, you may have to try the parishes around C`ton ........there are dozens of Aclands,, Acklands etc. . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:20 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV Hi Elizabeth Yes definitely a grocer, I assumed they were both fellow servants … Cullompton sounds best but I can't find a likely candidate in any of the places. Another Thomas Ackland mystery! Diana On 23/01/2014, at 9:49 PM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi, I think Elisha Bennet is a grocer not a groom , > and Cullum is possibly Cullompton , more so than the others. I think Pot > in > Surr-Pot may mean elect but not yet appointed. Nice will though. > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:33 AM > Subject: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV > > > Being able to read the PCC wills on Ancestry led me to find the will > below. > On Discovery it says 'of Richmond Surrey' but Ancestry did not nominate a > place. > > Any opinions about where Cullum is? Could be Cullompton, Culmstock, Culm > Davie in Hemyock or Columb John in Broadclyst. Maybe I have interpreted it > incorrectly, apart from the 'C' it is just a line of squiggles! > > Charles Price, to whom probate was granted, was an MP and Lord Mayor of > London at this time. It seems he paid well if a footman could accumulate > £140. > > Can someone tell me what 'Pot' is please (or have I interpreted that > incorrectly, the second letter is unclear)? > J Sewell Surrogate – 'Pot' Wm Moore Notary Public ~ > > Diana ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be no census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very difficult.  Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there may be several candidates that remain hidden to view.    You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by Torrington is the right one.  There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather than emigration. http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy   What happened to the other children of William and Agnes?   If they don't appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are there any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee county?  Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or names of marriage witnesses who might be family?  Did Henry name any of his children William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter after their paternal grandparents   Regards,   Joy   ________________________________ From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas Mike:  Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in the New York.  He had to marry and his first child was born in New York in Jan 1837.  Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest of there life in Genesee county, New York.  I can easily find the family in the US census and the NEw York census.  From the 1850 census, Genesee county seemed to have a number of people born in England.  Ron >> ------------------------------- >> >

A little bit more on PULSIPHER. It's not an unknown name in the United States, but apparently it is rarer in England and perhaps more often occurs with the spelling PULCIFER or PULSIFER. Apparently most of the US PULSIPHERs descend from a Benedict PULSIPHER of unknown origin in England, in the middle of the 17th century (i.e., a little after the Great Migration). A cursory search on English censuses indicates to me that it may be more of a Midlands name than a West Country one. David On Jan 25, 2014, at 7:24 AM, David L. Langenberg wrote: > Perhaps PULSIPHER? > > David > > On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:15 AM, B. Edmonds wrote: > >> As far as I can see there is no such name [at least not on famsearch] of >> this name, so what could it be? >> >> Nicholas s/o Nicholas PULISBER chr 3 Apr 1631 Stokenham >> >> Any takers at a guess at what it is meant to be? No other close baptisms, so >> must be a stray in the parish of Stokenham >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi , I think that to be otp in some cases siimply meant that you had resided in the parish for the required 3 weeks of the banns.........stand to be corrected . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "mick" <bareman@tpg.com.au> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 10:40 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Rose Edmonds & John Radford > On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 08:18:52 +1000 > "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > >> Hi Judy, >> >> I do not even have a Rose [usually Rosamund] EDMONDS who would fit, >> so maybe she came from out of Devon [even though she says otp when she >> married]. >> > Can "of this parish" include those who have been given settlement in the > parish in question or am I mixing up Church and administrative parishes > > mick > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Elizabeth Yes definitely a grocer, I assumed they were both fellow servants … Cullompton sounds best but I can't find a likely candidate in any of the places. Another Thomas Ackland mystery! Diana On 23/01/2014, at 9:49 PM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi, I think Elisha Bennet is a grocer not a groom , > and Cullum is possibly Cullompton , more so than the others. I think Pot in > Surr-Pot may mean elect but not yet appointed. Nice will though. > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:33 AM > Subject: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV > > > Being able to read the PCC wills on Ancestry led me to find the will below. > On Discovery it says 'of Richmond Surrey' but Ancestry did not nominate a > place. > > Any opinions about where Cullum is? Could be Cullompton, Culmstock, Culm > Davie in Hemyock or Columb John in Broadclyst. Maybe I have interpreted it > incorrectly, apart from the 'C' it is just a line of squiggles! > > Charles Price, to whom probate was granted, was an MP and Lord Mayor of > London at this time. It seems he paid well if a footman could accumulate > £140. > > Can someone tell me what 'Pot' is please (or have I interpreted that > incorrectly, the second letter is unclear)? > J Sewell Surrogate – 'Pot' Wm Moore Notary Public ~ > > Diana

On Sat, 25 Jan 2014 08:18:52 +1000 "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > Hi Judy, > > I do not even have a Rose [usually Rosamund] EDMONDS who would fit, > so maybe she came from out of Devon [even though she says otp when she > married]. > Can "of this parish" include those who have been given settlement in the parish in question or am I mixing up Church and administrative parishes mick

I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock. I cannot find Salome SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district (9 248). John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland in 1865. (No relationship specified.) The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of Salome ROCKEY. There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY. Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," which is why I am seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA