Steve,   The census enumerator's instructions for the 1841 census were to round the ages up to the nearest 5 years.   However, even on the later censuses you will find that it is not unusual for ages to vary on the census from decade to decade so don't expect to always find the right information (they could be very haphazard about birthplace too!)       Does the burial entry specify that the William Stooke buried in Dawlish is definitely the infant born in 1787?   Also, the place you ae born is not necessarily the place where you are baptised.   It is more likely these days where many births take place in a hospital but even in the past women sometimes went to a neighbouring parish to be with female relatives for the birth or the family could move shortly after the birth.    People did move about quite a lot.  For instance, there is a removal order on A2A dated 1832 of a George Stooke and Elizabeth his wife being removed from St Mary Major, Exeter to Dawlish. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-971a&cid=6-5-1-198&kw=stook dawlish#6-5-1-198   There is also a document on A2A which shows that a Philip Stooke (mariner) of West Teignmouth had interests in a property in Dawlish in 1765 so that may be another place to look for baptisms: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=028-81_2&cid=4-41&kw=stook dawlish#4-41   There is a bit about Woolcombers on the Moretonhampstead History website which says that they were mostly employed in their own homes.    http://www.moretonhampstead.org.uk/texts/glimpses/occupations/wool.ghtml   Joy ________________________________ From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: stooke@yahoogroups.com; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014, 2:37 Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: ><snip> > >> Marriage >> >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar >> (both signed) >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN  Jacob COCK >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger than they should be. I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across anything like that before? There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he was buried on 29 Aug 1787. Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas about these things. I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON  on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found girls that they liked, and married and settled there. There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such record. Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/     http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/     http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/     ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Ron, The 1841 census for Burrington has: George Ford, 40, Labourer, born in county Grace " , 35, born in county Mary " , 14, born in county Lucy " , 12, born in county Solomon " , 10, born in county Elizabeth " , 6, born in county Susanna " , 2, born in county Best wishes, Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald E. Schultz Sent: 26 January 2014 03:16 To: Joy Langdon; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas According to the 1900 US Census Solomon Ford came to the US in 1846, can the 1841 England census be checked to see if Solomon and family are still in Devon? Ron Schultz On 2014-01-25 14:05, Joy Langdon wrote: > There is a baptism of a Solomon Ford at Burrington 1832, parents > George and Grace. George and Grace also baptised a daughter > Elizabeth at Burrington in 1835. > Burrington is about 4 miles from Roborough. > > Two of the sons have a middle name beginning with 'H'. Do you know > what those names are? Sometimes the mother's maiden name (or another > ancestral surname) is used as a middle name. > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 21:24 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > > Deborah: Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other > dates. Names for his children are: > > Emma M (his only daughter) > George H > James Philip > Henry H > Daniel William (my family line) > > Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, > Livingston County. > > From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several > people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. > > In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford > living with the family. She was born in England, year 1835. The next > year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All > other marriages were with US born women. > > Ron Schultz > > On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: >> I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry >> Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I >> can >> see >> no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, >> this is >> certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. >> William & >> Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - >> 12 Feb 1815 Mary >> 13 Sep 1818 James >> 18 Feb 1821 Ann >> >> William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: >> >> THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon >> THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon >> JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon >> Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, >> Roborough >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Deborah O’Brien >> Devon OPC Co-ordinator >> DFHS Member 11261 >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html >> Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by >> Torrington, >> Sheepstor, Walkhampton >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html >> Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >> Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be >> no >> census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very >> difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there >> may be >> several candidates that remain hidden to view. >> >> You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by >> Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) >> for >> Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's >> absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather >> than emigration. >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >> >> What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they >> don't >> appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are >> there >> any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee >> county? Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or >> names of >> marriage witnesses who might be family? Did Henry name any of his >> children >> William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter >> after >> their paternal grandparents >> >> Regards, >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> >> Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in >> the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New >> York >> in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest >> of >> there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the family >> in >> the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 census, Genesee >> county seemed to have a number of people born in England. Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. 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Hi , I take your question as a compliment . We are good on the Devon , very good, but this is a quantum leap even for us !!!! Pat an abbreviation for patrician .................in what context ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gion Tobac" <giontobac@outlook.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:49 AM Subject: [DEV] pot or pat > Is pat an abbreviation for patrician? > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

This is going to be a very long shot! One of the classic problems in American (specifically New England) genealogy is the English origins of Greenfield LARRABEE, who shows up out of nowhere in colonial Connecticut, in 1647. (He went on to settled permanently in Connecticut and left many descendants on this side of the Atlantic.) Here is an extensive quote about his appearance in court: "Steven Reekes, master of a vessell that came from the Barbadoes, was called before the court to answer for some miscariadges of his on the Saboth daye, vizd:--that he, the said Steven, did, contrary to the law of God and of this place, halle vp his shipp to or towardes the necke bridge vpon the Sabothe, which is a laboure proper for the six dayes, and not to be vndertaken on the Lords day. Mr. Reeks answered that their shipp laye on ground and had not flotted some dayes before, but that day the winde coming vp at the southeast, brought in a great tide, and then she flotted, and that all ye company did was but to keepe her of from runing on the banke or driving vpon her ancor, the shipp hauing neuer a boate to carie another ancor forth. Hee was toold they should have provided for that before, for it is ye duty of all men to remember the Saboth, and to provide so beforehand that nothing maye distrube them vpon the Saboth, vnlesse it bee in cases of mercy or workes of such necessitie as could not be provided for the day before nor staye till the day after. Mr. [Greenfield] Larebe, a seaman belonging to the Phenix, was called before the courte, to answer to some miscariadges of his vpon the same Saboth, vizd, that he, wth some other company, went aboard the Phenix, and did worke not proper for that day, as halling of the vessell, and emptying some stones out of a cannow to help them in that servie. Mr. Larebe replied, that hee conceived the worke was a worke of charitie, to preserve the vessell that it might not perish, for their was some danger of her ouer-setting; besid, Mr. Pery came to hime himeselfe, and saide it was fitt some bodye should goe downe. Mr. Malbon saith that Mr. Pery was at his house, and he was speakeing of some danger the vessell might bee in, whervpon he wished his sonne Pery to goe to Mr. Davenport and aske his advise. Hee did, and Mr. Davenport tould hime hee should leave it to Gods providence, the Saboth was a day of rest, and therfore hee ought to rest. Then Mr. Malbon wished hime to give order that nothinge should bee done, wch hee did, only on might goe downe and see what state the vessell was in, but that nothing, wthout apparent necessitie, be done to her, yett Mr. Larebe, wth diueres others, went and wrought, contrary to the lawe for the Saboth. The courte considered bothe these cases and finde them to be much alike, and considering the persons, that they are strangers, and thinking they did not doe it out of contempt, but ignorantly, they agreed for this time, (that they acknowledging ther failings, and promising amendment for time to come,) to passe it by, but if any of our owne take libbertie heareby, the sentenc will bee heavier on them." I think it is quite reasonable to believe that Greenfield LARRABEE was a West Country man, possibly from Devon or Cornwall. I also believe that his forename Greenfield comes from the surname GRENVILLE and there was a famous GRENVILLE family of Devon. In the article on Richard GRENVILLE in Wikipedia it is stated: "The ancient Grenville family were lords of the manors of Bideford in Devon and of Stowe, Kilkhampton in Cornwall. He was a cousin of Sir Walter Raleigh and the privateer Sir Francis Drake. Grenville's birthplace is believed to have been at Bideford." Now the surname LARRABEE is another matter. It appears in many forms, ranging from LEATHERBY to LEREBE to LARRABEE and all possible spelling variations thereof. IGI actually shows some Letherbys from Devon. I believe the name also occurs in Cornwall. Has anyone ever encountered in Devon a LARRABEE (or any of its variants) family with individuals named Greenfield or Grenville or other variants? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA

Dear fellow list members, I figured out why some emails from the list go to the Junk email folder and others do not. It appears that Windows Live Mail determines that emails from foreign sources are automatically junk. In the Junk emial Folder, if I right click on the sender and select “Junk email” and then select “Add sender to the safe sender list”, and all following emails from that sender stops going to the Junk Folder. I hope this helps some of you. Regards, Lance

Joy, I cannot begin to tell you how grateful I am for this additional information. I'm a bit chagrined that I didn't follow through on some of the resources you searched. It's beginning to look like James Rockey SLEEMAN and Henry SLEEMAN were brothers and sons of the same John SLEEMAN. One difficulty in this hypothesis is that while there is are records of the baptisms of John and Salome ROCKEY) SLEEMAN's daughters Mary Ann SLEEMAN and Harriet SLEEMAN in Tavistock (1813 and 1817 respectively), baptisms for Henry SLEEMAN (abt 1811) and James Rockey SLEEMAN (abt 1815) and another brother, William SLEEMAN (abt 1821) do not appear in Tavistock. It could be that the family moved around a bit. I haven't made an intensive search for the baptisms of the SLEEMAN brothers. I am going to take a close look at the Ireland National Archives reference to see whether I can obtain a copy. It would shed more light at least on the cause of action and possibly the relationship between James Rockey SLEEMAN and Emma SLEEMAN. (Was it really she suing her brother-in-law?) Once again, many thanks. It has really advanced my research. Regards, David On Jan 25, 2014, at 6:26 PM, Joy Langdon wrote: > The marriage in Cork to Margaret Spencer gives James' father's name as John Sleeman > https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGFW-HF9 > > James Rockey Sleeman did have Devon connections. > > I searched the National Archives Discovery catalogue for "James Rockey Sleeman" and found the following document indexed (it isn't digitised): > Reference: > C 16/603/S191 > Description: > Cause number: 1869 S191. > Short title: Sleeman v Sleeman. > Documents: Bill, Interrogatories. > Plaintiffs: Emma Sleeman widow. > Defendants: James Rockey Sleeman (abroad). > SFP. > Provincial solicitor employed in Devon. > Date: > 1869 > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7900511 > > The 1861 census has: > Devonshire Street, Charles The Martyr, Plymouth > Wilmot HOLMES Head Widow age 75 Devon, Peter Tavy > Emma SLEEMAN Dau Widow age 47 Devon, Plymouth > > FreeBMD has a marriage Sep 1843 Emma HOLMES, Henry SLEEMAN Stoke Damerel > The marriage register shows Henry is of full age, a farmer and his father is John SLEEMAN, yeoman. > > In 1851 Henry is not with Emma but she is described as married, occupation farmer's wife. She is at 10 Bretonside, Plymouth. Head of household is Peter Blatchford, baker, born Peter Tavy and her mother, Wilmot Holmes is also in the household. I can't locate Henry. > > In 1841 a Henry Sleman aged 30, farmer, and James Sleman aged 25, farmer are living at Fore Town, Buckland Monachorum. > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: David L. Langenberg <gallienus@mac.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:39 > Subject: [DEV] ROCKEY, SLEEMAN > > > I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock. I cannot find Salome > SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district (9 248). John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland in 1865. (No relationship specified.) The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of Salome ROCKEY. There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY. Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," which is why I am > seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks David, I did not get that first e-mail from you or the List, so it must still be flying around out there. As you suggest it must be a version of PULSIPHER which now makes sense to me. Thanks Bev re Perhaps PULSIPHER? -------------------------------------------------- From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@mac.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:24 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Nicholas PULISBER c 1600 > A little bit more on PULSIPHER. It's not an unknown name in the United > States, but apparently it is rarer in England and perhaps more often > occurs with the spelling PULCIFER or PULSIFER. Apparently most of the US > PULSIPHERs descend from a Benedict PULSIPHER of unknown origin in England, > in the middle of the 17th century (i.e., a little after the Great > Migration). A cursory search on English censuses indicates to me that it > may be more of a Midlands name than a West Country one. > > David > > On Jan 25, 2014, at 7:24 AM, David L. Langenberg wrote: > >> Perhaps PULSIPHER? >> >> David >> >> On Jan 25, 2014, at 12:15 AM, B. Edmonds wrote: >> >>> As far as I can see there is no such name [at least not on famsearch] of >>> this name, so what could it be? >>> >>> Nicholas s/o Nicholas PULISBER chr 3 Apr 1631 Stokenham >>> >>> Any takers at a guess at what it is meant to be? No other close >>> baptisms, so >>> must be a stray in the parish of Stokenham >>> >>> Bev >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6530 - Release Date: 01/24/14 >

On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: ><snip> > >> Marriage >> >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar >> (both signed) >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN Jacob COCK >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger than they should be. I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across anything like that before? There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he was buried on 29 Aug 1787. Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas about these things. I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found girls that they liked, and married and settled there. There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such record. Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/

This is creeping 'regionalisation' with reduced accountability, and part of the undeclared policy of fragmenting England. No doubt Wiltshire and Gloucestershire will be next. Alan England. ---------- At 23:33 25/01/2014, MM wrote: > > >Devon and Somerset county councils are proposing to merge their heritage and >museum services into a new Trust, see : > >http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/councildemocracy/record_office/heritage_trust. >htm > > >The Trustee briefing pack gives more detail: > > > <http://www.devon.gov.uk/trust_pack-2.pdf> >http://www.devon.gov.uk/trust_pack-2.pdf > > >Mike > >------------------------------------------ >The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and >the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >List archive for Devon can be found at >http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Devon and Somerset county councils are proposing to merge their heritage and museum services into a new Trust, see : http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/councildemocracy/record_office/heritage_trust. htm The Trustee briefing pack gives more detail: <http://www.devon.gov.uk/trust_pack-2.pdf> http://www.devon.gov.uk/trust_pack-2.pdf Mike

The marriage in Cork to Margaret Spencer gives James' father's name as John Sleeman https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGFW-HF9   James Rockey Sleeman did have Devon connections.     I searched the National Archives Discovery catalogue for "James Rockey Sleeman" and found the following document indexed (it isn't digitised): Reference: C 16/603/S191 Description: Cause number: 1869 S191. Short title: Sleeman v Sleeman. Documents: Bill, Interrogatories. Plaintiffs: Emma Sleeman widow. Defendants: James Rockey Sleeman (abroad). SFP. Provincial solicitor employed in Devon. Date: 1869 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C7900511 The 1861 census has: Devonshire Street, Charles The Martyr, Plymouth Wilmot HOLMES Head Widow age 75 Devon, Peter Tavy Emma SLEEMAN Dau Widow age 47 Devon, Plymouth FreeBMD has a marriage Sep 1843 Emma HOLMES, Henry SLEEMAN Stoke Damerel The marriage register shows Henry is of full age, a farmer and his father is John SLEEMAN, yeoman. In 1851 Henry is not with Emma but she is described as married, occupation farmer's wife.   She is at 10 Bretonside, Plymouth.  Head of household is Peter Blatchford, baker, born Peter Tavy and her mother, Wilmot Holmes is also in the household.  I can't locate Henry. In 1841 a Henry Sleman aged 30, farmer, and James Sleman aged 25, farmer are living at Fore Town, Buckland Monachorum. Joy ________________________________ From: David L. Langenberg <gallienus@mac.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 14:39 Subject: [DEV] ROCKEY, SLEEMAN I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock.  I cannot find Salome SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district (9 248).  John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland in 1865.  (No relationship specified.)  The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of Salome ROCKEY.  There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY.  Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," which is why I am seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is pat an abbreviation for patrician?

There is a baptism of a Solomon Ford at Burrington 1832, parents George and Grace.    George and Grace also baptised a daughter Elizabeth at Burrington in 1835. Burrington is about 4 miles from Roborough.   Two of the sons have a middle name beginning with 'H'.  Do you know what those names are?  Sometimes the mother's maiden name (or another ancestral surname) is used as a middle name.     Joy ________________________________ From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 21:24 Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas Deborah:  Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other dates.  Names for his children are: Emma M  (his only daughter) George H James Philip Henry H Daniel William (my family line) Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, Livingston County. From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford living with the family.  She was born in England, year 1835. The next year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All other marriages were with US born women. Ron Schultz On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry > Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I can > see > no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses.  However, > this is > certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. > William & > Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - > 12 Feb 1815 Mary > 13 Sep 1818 James > 18 Feb 1821 Ann > > William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: > > THOMAS, William M 60 1781  Devon > THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776  Devon > JOSLIN, John M 60 1781  Devon > Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13  Address: Wood Cottages, Great, > Roborough > > > > Regards, >   > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be no > census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very > difficult.  Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there > may be > several candidates that remain hidden to view.  >   > You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by > Torrington is the right one.  There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for > Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's > absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather > than emigration. > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >   > What happened to the other children of William and Agnes?   If they > don't > appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are > there > any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee > county?  Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or > names of > marriage witnesses who might be family?  Did Henry name any of his > children > William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter > after > their paternal grandparents >   > Regards, >   > Joy >   > > ________________________________ >  From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > > Mike:  Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in > the New York.  He had to marry and his first child was born in New York > in Jan 1837.  Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest > of > there life in Genesee county, New York.  I can easily find the family > in > the US census and the NEw York census.  From the 1850 census, Genesee > county seemed to have a number of people born in England.  Ron > > > > > >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >  and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >  and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. 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… and lots of gaps due to non-conformity, appalling parish registers … Thanks for the advice, I have collected a lot of records over the years but pre-census its hard to make sense of them. This Thomas is not part of my line, I was just curious about him. Diana On 25/01/2014, at 6:46 PM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hi, you may have to try the parishes around C`ton > ........there are dozens of Aclands,, Acklands etc. . > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:20 AM > Subject: Re: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV > > > Hi Elizabeth > > Yes definitely a grocer, I assumed they were both fellow servants … > > Cullompton sounds best but I can't find a likely candidate in any of the > places. Another Thomas Ackland mystery! > > Diana > > On 23/01/2014, at 9:49 PM, elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> wrote: > >> Hi, I think Elisha Bennet is a grocer not a groom , >> and Cullum is possibly Cullompton , more so than the others. I think Pot >> in >> Surr-Pot may mean elect but not yet appointed. Nice will though. >> >> life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Diana Stevens" <diagramdiana@iinet.net.au> >> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:33 AM >> Subject: [DEV] Thomas Ackland of Cullum DEV >> >> >> Being able to read the PCC wills on Ancestry led me to find the will >> below. >> On Discovery it says 'of Richmond Surrey' but Ancestry did not nominate a >> place. >> >> Any opinions about where Cullum is? Could be Cullompton, Culmstock, Culm >> Davie in Hemyock or Columb John in Broadclyst. Maybe I have interpreted it >> incorrectly, apart from the 'C' it is just a line of squiggles! >> >> Charles Price, to whom probate was granted, was an MP and Lord Mayor of >> London at this time. It seems he paid well if a footman could accumulate >> £140. >> >> Can someone tell me what 'Pot' is please (or have I interpreted that >> incorrectly, the second letter is unclear)? >> J Sewell Surrogate – 'Pot' Wm Moore Notary Public ~ >> >> Diana

According to the 1900 US Census Solomon Ford came to the US in 1846, can the 1841 England census be checked to see if Solomon and family are still in Devon? Ron Schultz On 2014-01-25 14:05, Joy Langdon wrote: > There is a baptism of a Solomon Ford at Burrington 1832, parents > George and Grace.    George and Grace also baptised a daughter > Elizabeth at Burrington in 1835. > Burrington is about 4 miles from Roborough. >   > Two of the sons have a middle name beginning with 'H'.  Do you know > what those names are?  Sometimes the mother's maiden name (or another > ancestral surname) is used as a middle name.   >   > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 21:24 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > > Deborah:  Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other > dates.  Names for his children are: > > Emma M  (his only daughter) > George H > James Philip > Henry H > Daniel William (my family line) > > Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, > Livingston County. > > From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several > people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. > > In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford > living with the family.  She was born in England, year 1835. The next > year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All > other marriages were with US born women. > > Ron Schultz > > On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: >> I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry >> Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I >> can >> see >> no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses.  However, >> this is >> certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. >> William & >> Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - >> 12 Feb 1815 Mary >> 13 Sep 1818 James >> 18 Feb 1821 Ann >> >> William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: >> >> THOMAS, William M 60 1781  Devon >> THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776  Devon >> JOSLIN, John M 60 1781  Devon >> Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13  Address: Wood Cottages, Great, >> Roborough >> >> >> >> Regards, >>   >> Deborah O’Brien >> Devon OPC Co-ordinator >> DFHS Member 11261 >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html >> Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by >> Torrington, >> Sheepstor, Walkhampton >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html >> Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >> Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be >> no >> census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very >> difficult.  Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there >> may be >> several candidates that remain hidden to view.  >>   >> You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by >> Torrington is the right one.  There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) >> for >> Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's >> absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather >> than emigration. >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >>   >> What happened to the other children of William and Agnes?   If they >> don't >> appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are >> there >> any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee >> county?  Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or >> names of >> marriage witnesses who might be family?  Did Henry name any of his >> children >> William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter >> after >> their paternal grandparents >>   >> Regards, >>   >> Joy >>   >> >> ________________________________ >>   From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> >> Mike:  Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in >> the New York.  He had to marry and his first child was born in New >> York >> in Jan 1837.  Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest >> of >> there life in Genesee county, New York.  I can easily find the family >> in >> the US census and the NEw York census.  From the 1850 census, Genesee >> county seemed to have a number of people born in England.  Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>   and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>   and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA  95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net

Hi David, Re the Rockey and Sleemans in Ireland. According to the Irish BMD Indexes the James Rockey who died in Cork in 1865 was aged 91 making him born about 1774. There is also a will for a James Rockey Sleeman of Blackrock, Cork in 1870. Executor Margaret Sleeman, widow of said James Rockey Sleeman. Have found a possible marriage of James Rockey Sleeman to a Margaret Spencer in 1852, taking place in Cork Registration District in Ireland. Couldn't find a death record for James Rockey Sleeman in 1870, but assuming mistranscriptions a possible match is James Rackey Shannon who is given as aged 62, therefore born about 1808. So would suggest that you get copies of the two Irish Wills, plus the marriage certificate for James Rockey Sleeman, and see what information they will give you. Hope this helps. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 25/01/2014 14:39, David L. Langenberg wrote: > I am seeking anyone with knowledge of the family of John SLEEMAN and Salome ROCKEY, who were married 4 August 1805, at St. Eustachius Church, Tavistock. I cannot find Salome SLEEMAN in the 1841 Census, but FreeBMD includes a Salome SLEEMAN who died Apr-May-Jun 1848 in Plymouth registration district (9 248). John and Salome SLEEMAN are possibly the parents of James Rockey SLEEMAN, executor of the will of James ROCKEY, of Blackrock, Cork, Ireland in 1865. (No relationship specified.) The James R. SLEEMAN enumerated in the 1851 Census at Sheepstor, aged 38, may be James Rockey SLEEMAN and may be a son of John and Salome SLEEMAN, and perhaps named for the father of Salome ROCKEY. There was a James ROCKEY in Plymouth in 1802, who is possibly the father of Salome ROCKEY. Lots of "maybes" and "possiblys," which is why I am seeking the assistance of s.k.s. on this list. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA

I think we are getting closer. Solomon Ford was listed as being born in 1831 in the 1850 US Census. He lived with a family named Babbage also born in England. There is an Ann 1808 and Rachael 1810 as husband and wife. The Rachael is listed as male and looks like the female name. It could be Raphael. Also in the same family and all born in England are Richard Babbage (1829) and Sophia Babbage (1831) and a Fanny Hunt (1826). I have never seen the middle name H spelled out to know what it could be. The proposed parents was born Agnes Heale. Ron On 2014-01-25 14:05, Joy Langdon wrote: > There is a baptism of a Solomon Ford at Burrington 1832, parents > George and Grace.    George and Grace also baptised a daughter > Elizabeth at Burrington in 1835. > Burrington is about 4 miles from Roborough. >   > Two of the sons have a middle name beginning with 'H'.  Do you know > what those names are?  Sometimes the mother's maiden name (or another > ancestral surname) is used as a middle name.   >   > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 21:24 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > > Deborah:  Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other > dates.  Names for his children are: > > Emma M  (his only daughter) > George H > James Philip > Henry H > Daniel William (my family line) > > Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, > Livingston County. > > From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several > people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. > > In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford > living with the family.  She was born in England, year 1835. The next > year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All > other marriages were with US born women. > > Ron Schultz > > On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: >> I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry >> Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I >> can >> see >> no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses.  However, >> this is >> certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. >> William & >> Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - >> 12 Feb 1815 Mary >> 13 Sep 1818 James >> 18 Feb 1821 Ann >> >> William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: >> >> THOMAS, William M 60 1781  Devon >> THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776  Devon >> JOSLIN, John M 60 1781  Devon >> Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13  Address: Wood Cottages, Great, >> Roborough >> >> >> >> Regards, >>   >> Deborah O’Brien >> Devon OPC Co-ordinator >> DFHS Member 11261 >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html >> Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by >> Torrington, >> Sheepstor, Walkhampton >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html >> Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On >> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >> Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be >> no >> census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very >> difficult.  Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there >> may be >> several candidates that remain hidden to view.  >>   >> You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by >> Torrington is the right one.  There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) >> for >> Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's >> absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather >> than emigration. >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >>   >> What happened to the other children of William and Agnes?   If they >> don't >> appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are >> there >> any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee >> county?  Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or >> names of >> marriage witnesses who might be family?  Did Henry name any of his >> children >> William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter >> after >> their paternal grandparents >>   >> Regards, >>   >> Joy >>   >> >> ________________________________ >>   From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> >> Mike:  Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in >> the New York.  He had to marry and his first child was born in New >> York >> in Jan 1837.  Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest >> of >> there life in Genesee county, New York.  I can easily find the family >> in >> the US census and the NEw York census.  From the 1850 census, Genesee >> county seemed to have a number of people born in England.  Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>   and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>   and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA  95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net

Looking for anyone please who might have a Margaret GLANFYLL and a Annis GLANFILL who turn up in Stokenham and marry in 1627 and 1627. My thoughts are that they are sisters. Margaret marries William EDMONDS and Annis marries a JOHN DUNNING. There does not appear to be any baptisms to John DUNNING and Annis in Stokenham, so do they go elsewehere? Any takers? Bev

Hi Paul One reason for seeking it that I can think of is that he wanted to take out Letters of Administration (probably of a later descendant)and to do so needed to prove all descendants were legitimate. If the marriage didn't take place, then there may have been a group of people descended from the couple who would not have qualified under the intestacy rules. I think they would have needed to have traced cousins and maybe second cousins of the actual deceased (unspecified I guess) to make sure they had everyone entitled to a share in an estate and none who weren't. Does the firm of solicitors still exist? Their records may well exist even if they do not. Maybe the Law Society can help trace the descent of the solicitors and thereby the descent of the records? I think they used Chancery Agents years ago before microfilms and internet. They were based in London and were always regarded as the disreputable end of genealogy when I started out. They may have traced a case on behalf of the solicitors and may also be a line of enquiry to try to follow up on. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Challice Sent: 25 January 2014 15:01 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] William CHALLICE and Charlotte PARTRIDGE of Lapford. Under Miscellaneous Wants in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette Friday 08 January 1897 I found the following: TO MINISTERS, PARISH CLERKS, AND OTHERS WANTED, MARRIAGE CERTIFICATE of WILLIAM CHALLICE, late of Lapford, Devon, and CHARLOTTE W. PARTRIDGE, about the year 1810 (?). One Guinea will be paid for same or information leading to confirmation of the same. Apply, EDWARD J. BRUTTON, Solicitor, Exeter. These were my 3x great grandparents, and I have the application for a marriage licence, a copy of the parish record, and a newspaper cutting to show that William Challice married Charlotte Wills Partridge in Lapford parish church 6th April 1818. Charlotte died in 1828 and William in 1833, leaving five children aged between 5 and 15 years. Can anyone suggest why a solicitor would have been looking for proof of their marriage so long after the deaths of William and Charlotte? And are there any CHALLICE or PARTRIDGE descendants reading this? Paul Challice Daventry UK ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maureen I do like Roy Stockdill. I suspect he plays himself as a bit of a caricature Yorkshireman. This is now rather old (2003) and in need of some updating. The censuses were not indexed back then and also very recently "The Family Historian's Enquire Within" has been re-written by our own Janet Few (published by thefamilyhistorypartnership.com). Probably other things to bear in mind of a similar nature if using this one. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Maureen Selley Sent: 24 January 2014 23:03 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Newbies -- a Guide to Genealogy http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/links.htm and on Devon FHS's Links pages as well, Edna :-) Cheers, Maureen DFHS 4019 On 24/01/2014 22:52, liverpud wrote: > http://www.genuki.org.uk/gs/Newbie.html > > A good site from Roy Stockdill. > > Welcome to the club... Devon-L. > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message