My wife's ancestor Thomas BOWER was christened May 15, 1760, Clyst St. Lawrence and he died Feb 14, 1845 Clyst St. George. Thomas married Sarah TURNER on Dec 1 ,1789, Broadhembury and she died on Jun 16, 1842, Clyst St. George. She may have come from Feniton c1761. Their children are John b. 1792, Clyst St. Lawrence, b. James 1797, Clyst Honiton, Sarah b. 1799, Clyst Honiton and Mary b. 1803, Clyst Honiton. Does anyone know anything more about Sarah and her parents? Lorne Ontario, Canada presently in "polar vortex".
Thanks for this Lance - have been trying to puzzle it out for ages. But emails in my junk folder have been from inside the uk and from people usually go straight to my inbox..... cheers, jane -----Original Message----- From: Lance L. Piatt Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 5:44 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Junk Email Folder Dear fellow list members, I figured out why some emails from the list go to the Junk email folder and others do not. It appears that Windows Live Mail determines that emails from foreign sources are automatically junk. In the Junk emial Folder, if I right click on the sender and select “Junk email” and then select “Add sender to the safe sender list”, and all following emails from that sender stops going to the Junk Folder. I hope this helps some of you. Regards, Lance ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
On 26 Jan 2014 at 11:36, Joy Langdon wrote: > Contents: > Legacy, furniture and household goods to wife Mary and the cott house known as > Plain Dealing leased from the Earl of Lisburne for Mary's life, then to be > held by Mary Smaldridge, daughter of Ann Ellis Legacies to James Stooke, Mary > Howard and Elizabeth Rowe, son, daughter and grand-daughter of brother-in-law > Thomas Stooke, and to Andrew Ellis son of sister Ann Ellis Furniture and > household goods to brother Richard Atwill, £200 is to be invested by Richard > Atwill for the use of Mary Atwill and after her death for the use of Mary > Smaldridge Administration granted to Richard Atwill And a very quick check in my records allows me to utter a modest Bingo! I think I have found the John Atwill (I had him as John Atwell) and Mary his wife, and Thomas the brother-in-law in the following families: Family History System 26 Jan 2014 Merged Group Reports NAME: STOOKE, Mary, Born Jul 1733 in Ashton, DEV, ENG, Died ???; FATHER: STOOKE, Thomas, Born ??? 1700, Died Dec 1789 at age 89; MOTHER: LUSCOMBE, Elizabeth, Born Jun 1707, Died Feb 1753 at age 45 MARRIED 18 Feb 1760, to ATWELL, John; Yeoman of Mamhead * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NAME: STOOKE, Thomas, Born ??? 1700 in Trusham, Devon, Died Dec 1789 in Ashton, Devon at age 89; FATHER: STOOKE, Edward, Born ??? 1656, Died ??? 1727 at age 71; MOTHER: Mary, Died 10 Oct 1729 MARRIED 29 Apr 1758, to GREY, Joan MARRIED 23 Dec 1754, to GREMLETT, Elizabeth MARRIED 18 Aug 1732 in Exeter, Devon, ENG, to LUSCOMBE, Elizabeth, Born Jun 1707, Died Feb 1753 at age 45; FATHER: LUSCOMBE, John; MOTHER: GRIFFIN, Joan CHILDREN: 1. F STOOKE, Mary, born Jul 1733 in Ashton, DEV, ENG, died ???; Married 18 Feb 1760 to ATWELL, John 2. M STOOKE, Thomas, born 23 Dec 1734 in Ashton, DEV, ENG, died ??? 3. F STOOKE, James, born Sep 1736 in Ashton, died ??? 1768 4. F STOOKE, Elizabeth, born Mar 1738, died ??? 1761 5. M STOOKE, John, born Jan 1739, died 13 Jun 1760 6. M STOOKE, Thomas, born Oct 1742 in Ashton, died Dec 1784; Married 6 Jul 1767 to MARDON, Elizabeth; 6 children 7. M STOOKE, George, born Jan 1744 in Ashton, died 10 Dec 1814; Married 20 Aug 1780 to HOLE, Mary; 8 children 8. F STOOKE, Martha, born Dec 1746, died ??? 9. M STOOKE, Francis, born ??? 1748 in Ashton, Devon, died ???; Married 6 Aug 1775 to SMALLRIDGE, Ann; 11 children 10. F STOOKE, Grace, born Jun 1750 in Ashton, died ??? There's more, too, as I have ROWE and ELLIS links, and must just sort them out a bit more. But once again, many thanks, as that can help to clarify quite a lot of relationships. -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525
On 26 Jan 2014 at 13:14, Mike Gould wrote: > To clarify the recording of ages on the 1841 census, the instructions to the > Enumerator were as follows: > > Age and Sex.Write the age of each person opposite to the name in one of the > two columns headed Males and Females, according to the sex. > > Write the age of every person under 15 years of age as it is stated to you. > For persons aged 15 years and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 years > within which the age is. Thusfor Persons aged 15 years and under 20 write 15 > 20 years and under 25 write 20 25 years and under 30 write 25 30 years and > under 35 write 30 35 years and under 40 write 35 40 years and under 45 write > 40 45 years and under 50 write 45 50 years and under 55 write 50 55 years and > under 60 write 55 60 years and under 65 write 60 65 years and under 70 write > 65 70 years and under 75 write 70 and so on up to the greatest ages. I thought that's what I said, though in summarised form. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk
On 26 Jan 2014 at 11:36, Joy Langdon wrote: > Here is another interesting entry on A2A. Mamhead is near Dawlish. Can you > place this group of names: Administration with will annexed of John Atwill > of Mamhead 4056M/F 9 1808 These documents are held at Devon Record Office > > Contents: > Legacy, furniture and household goods to wife Mary and the cott house known as > Plain Dealing leased from the Earl of Lisburne for Mary's life, then to be > held by Mary Smaldridge, daughter of Ann Ellis Legacies to James Stooke, Mary > Howard and Elizabeth Rowe, son, daughter and grand-daughter of brother-in-law > Thomas Stooke, and to Andrew Ellis son of sister Ann Ellis Furniture and > household goods to brother Richard Atwill, £200 is to be invested by Richard > Atwill for the use of Mary Atwill and after her death for the use of Mary > Smaldridge Administration granted to Richard Atwill Thanks very much for these. This one is particularly interesting as I have found some Mamhead connections, and I'll need to check all those names against my existing records to see if any are linked. -- Keep well, Steve Hayes Blog: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/famhist1.htm E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk
In the 1851 Census, the household of William SLEEMAN is enumerated at Rubbbytown, Tavistock. (HO 107 / 1883 / Folio 351 / Page 13). The version on Ancestry has misindexed him as William "Stuman." In its transcription, it also botches the birthplace of both William SLEEMAN and his sister HARRIET SLEEMAN--which might be the same--as "Corlslocm" for William and "Coaltown" for Harriet. The Place-Names of Devon indexes neither place. I also think that since the birthplaces of the children of William SLEEMAN and his wife Elizabeth are all written "Rubby Town," which is not the name of a parish, that whatever the birthplace of William and Elizabeth is, it might also not be a parish but a place-name within a parish. The nearest names I can come up with are Colyton (in East Devon) and Coleton, the name of a place in Brixham. Yet I suspect that the place is nearer to Tavistock. Does anyone with local knowledge of this area have a guess as to where it might be? TIA David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA
Possibly not a lot of help, but an additional piece of information. > ><snip> She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. > ><snip> Okehampton is in IGI, but I can't find a baptism there for James STOOKE, or indeed any STOOKEs, nor a baptism for Catherine PAINTER, although that family were prolific in Okehampton with records going back to the 1660s. I have some in my family tree going back to Thomas PAINTER baptised in 1731, son of Mary PAINTER, who appears to have been unmarried, though I've not seen the original record. The Painters of Okehampton were stonemasons, and a descendant of Thomas's, Lucy Thorn PAINTER (1877-1962) came to live in Dawlish in about 1891 with her maternal aunt, Mary Ann THORN, where she helped with her drapery business, and lived with her in Dawlish until Mary Ann died in 1928. Lucy went to live in Lustleigh (where her brother kept a hotel) and died in Moretonhampstead Hospital in 1962, but was buried with her aunt Mary Ann in Dawlish cemetery. Angela in Dawlish (entirely coincidental) > From: hayesstw@telkomsa.net > To: stooke@yahoogroups.com; devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:37:41 +0200 > Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: > > ><snip> > > > >> Marriage > >> > >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married > >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one > >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar > >> (both signed) > >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN Jacob COCK > > >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" > > Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. > > I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is > really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. > > You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that > couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger > than they should be. > > I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five > years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across > anything like that before? > > There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, > William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a > Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. > > According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, > born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he > was buried on 29 Aug 1787. > > Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the > dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, > but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. > > I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done > a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas > about these things. > > I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History > Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. > > She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish > on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. > > Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on > 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were > children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except > that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. > > My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, > and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found > girls that they liked, and married and settled there. > > There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY > of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not > apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up > in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of > the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such > record. > > Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? > > > -- > Steve Hayes > Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ > http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/ > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
This entry is interesting Stokenham 17 Feb 1703/4 Thomas ROGERS daylabourer of Ipplepen and Penelope COD spinster of Slapton were married: Her Majesty's duty of 2-6d was ...? ...? ye Vicar and pd. to John COLE I have not seen a payment entered before this in these Registers. This also gives me the opportunity to ask: Been plucking up the courage to say something : ) How many people on this List? How many post their brick walls? Whether it be 1600 or 1800 or 1900? How many sit on the fence and never post hoping something will drop in their lap for nothing? [that's cheeky: )] Come on folks, start getting out there with your names? My very good Genie friend tell me that the buzz word is " crowd sourcing " . What a funny term. Surely someone knows something, even if you do not get a reply, the name should be in the subject box for someone to pick up on in years to come. There's been some very good research done for some of the people who have posted of late by very experienced people over the past few days. Seeeeeeeeeeeending before I change my mind :) Bev
Hi, and the Friends of Devon Archive have a George Stooke a freeholder in Trusham in 1771, and in 1799. Further sightings of Mr John Stooke , 1721 in Paignton. , Thomas in 1741 in Ashton, following a Francis Stooke. So it is always worth searching a little further out. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <shayes@dunelm.org.uk>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish Here is another interesting entry on A2A. Mamhead is near Dawlish. Can you place this group of names: Administration with will annexed of John Atwill of Mamhead 4056M/F 9 1808 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Legacy, furniture and household goods to wife Mary and the cott house known as Plain Dealing leased from the Earl of Lisburne for Mary's life, then to be held by Mary Smaldridge, daughter of Ann Ellis Legacies to James Stooke, Mary Howard and Elizabeth Rowe, son, daughter and grand-daughter of brother-in-law Thomas Stooke, and to Andrew Ellis son of sister Ann Ellis Furniture and household goods to brother Richard Atwill, £200 is to be invested by Richard Atwill for the use of Mary Atwill and after her death for the use of Mary Smaldridge Administration granted to Richard Atwill Joy ________________________________ From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: stooke@yahoogroups.com; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014, 2:37 Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: ><snip> > >> Marriage >> >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar >> (both signed) >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN Jacob COCK >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger than they should be. I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across anything like that before? There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he was buried on 29 Aug 1787. Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas about these things. I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found girls that they liked, and married and settled there. There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such record. Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
CROWD SOURCING As I understand CROWD SOURCING, it is putting out some information or a problem and having others jump in and help. You never know where the answer may come from. I do think that people have been using this by posting their problem and it is wonderful to see so many of our Devon listers jump in to help out. Many minds have different ideas and suggestions. For more than ten years, I struggled with my 3x great grandmother Ann ROBERTS who married Henry HORSWILL in 1822 in Plymouth. The 1851 & 1861 census records show her born either in London or Surrey. How on earth do you find a person with that name in such a big place? I hired several researchers but with no success. They said that a girl would not come to Devon on her own so must be with family so we searched with no luck. We found some births for Ann but there was no way to prove anything so it was dropped. Then on the Devon list in October, 2013, Robert Webb posted a query for Abraham ROBERTS' burial in Plymouth. Deborah O'Brien jumped in with a reply. Next Rob posted a query regarding Henry Grant HORSWILL and Ann ROBERTS who married at Plymouth. Several weeks later, I contact Rob and was delighted to find that he had information on my Ann ROBERTS. His connection was through Ann's brother Lazarus ROBERTS. Now with a wonderful name like that, and him being in the Royal Navy, Rob had found lots of information. I went to his website https://sites.google.com/site/lazarusrobertshistory/home and was so impressed with the amazing job that he has done on tracking down the family and sourcing things out. This one connection gave me four more generations going back on a line that I thought was stuck forever! So, as Bev Edmonds says, start posting some of your problems and see if the experts on this list can help out. Gail Pullyblank Vancouver Canada Searching for PULLEYBLANK, SHUTE, MOGRIDGE, COKER in the South Hams ======================== -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: January-25-14 9:10 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com; eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Thomas ROGERS of Ipplepen and Penelope COD This also gives me the opportunity to ask: Been plucking up the courage to say something : ) How many people on this List? How many post their brick walls? Whether it be 1600 or 1800 or 1900? How many sit on the fence and never post hoping something will drop in their lap for nothing? [that's cheeky: )] Come on folks, start getting out there with your names? My very good Genie friend tell me that the buzz word is " crowd sourcing " . What a funny term. Surely someone knows something, even if you do not get a reply, the name should be in the subject box for someone to pick up on in years to come. There's been some very good research done for some of the people who have posted of late by very experienced people over the past few days. Seeeeeeeeeeeending before I change my mind :) Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
OOPS !! forgot to put Mary in subject box in case she was local to Stokenham. -------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:13 PM To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Thomas BRACKY of Isle of Man [Stray] > Someone might be looking for this chap. > Stokenham > > 26 Jan 1697/97 Thomas BRACKY a foot soldier then quartered is this parish > who sayd he was borne in the Isle of Man and Mary LAMBSWOOD were married > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6533 - Release Date: 01/25/14 >
Hi, in the 1841 there is a Solomon Ford b c 1811 living in Burrington , with ? wife Ann , and two children William , 6 and James, 5. There is also a Solomon Ford b c 1831 also living in Burrington son of George and Grace , and he has siblings Mary , Lucy, Elizabeth and Susanna. There is also a Solomon Ford , b c 1797 living in Road, Somerset, with ?wife Grace, and children Elizabeth , Henry and William. By chance in Burrington, one door away from George and Grace Ford, with their 10yr old son Solomon, is Gilbert P Babbage, 80, farmer, with Grace, 70, and presumably sons John , 50 and James, 45 . life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ronald E. Schultz" <leutsch@sonic.net> To: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:56 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >I think we are getting closer. Solomon Ford was listed as being born in > 1831 in the 1850 US Census. He lived with a family named Babbage also > born in England. There is an Ann 1808 and Rachael 1810 as husband and > wife. The Rachael is listed as male and looks like the female name. It > could be Raphael. Also in the same family and all born in England are > Richard Babbage (1829) and Sophia Babbage (1831) and a Fanny Hunt > (1826). > > I have never seen the middle name H spelled out to know what it could > be. The proposed parents was born Agnes Heale. > > Ron > > > On 2014-01-25 14:05, Joy Langdon wrote: >> There is a baptism of a Solomon Ford at Burrington 1832, parents >> George and Grace. George and Grace also baptised a daughter >> Elizabeth at Burrington in 1835. >> Burrington is about 4 miles from Roborough. >> >> Two of the sons have a middle name beginning with 'H'. Do you know >> what those names are? Sometimes the mother's maiden name (or another >> ancestral surname) is used as a middle name. >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 21:24 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> >> Deborah: Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other >> dates. Names for his children are: >> >> Emma M (his only daughter) >> George H >> James Philip >> Henry H >> Daniel William (my family line) >> >> Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, >> Livingston County. >> >> From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several >> people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. >> >> In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford >> living with the family. She was born in England, year 1835. The next >> year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All >> other marriages were with US born women. >> >> Ron Schultz >> >> On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: >>> I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry >>> Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I >>> can >>> see >>> no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, >>> this is >>> certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. >>> William & >>> Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - >>> 12 Feb 1815 Mary >>> 13 Sep 1818 James >>> 18 Feb 1821 Ann >>> >>> William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: >>> >>> THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon >>> THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon >>> JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon >>> Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, >>> Roborough >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Deborah O’Brien >>> Devon OPC Co-ordinator >>> DFHS Member 11261 >>> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html >>> Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by >>> Torrington, >>> Sheepstor, Walkhampton >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html >>> Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >>> Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >>> >>> Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be >>> no >>> census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very >>> difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there >>> may be >>> several candidates that remain hidden to view. >>> >>> You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by >>> Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) >>> for >>> Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's >>> absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather >>> than emigration. >>> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >>> >>> What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they >>> don't >>> appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are >>> there >>> any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee >>> county? Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or >>> names of >>> marriage witnesses who might be family? Did Henry name any of his >>> children >>> William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter >>> after >>> their paternal grandparents >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >>> >>> >>> Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in >>> the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New >>> York >>> in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest >>> of >>> there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the family >>> in >>> the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 census, Genesee >>> county seemed to have a number of people born in England. Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> Ronald E. Schultz >> 3970 Joy Road >> Occidental, CA 95465 >> >> leutsch@sonic.net >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA 95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Someone might be looking for this chap. Stokenham 26 Jan 1697/97 Thomas BRACKY a foot soldier then quartered is this parish who sayd he was borne in the Isle of Man and Mary LAMBSWOOD were married
I have looked at a number of similar affidavits sworn in front of a Notary Public. They follow a formula <Signature 1> surr(ogate). The representative of the interested party for whom the affidavit is being signed. In this case the estate wishing to confirm the correct beneficiary. "In the presence of" Signature 2, Notary Public. There may be a seal attached or stamp duty. "In the presence of" is usually abbreviated to "pres" and "pot" should be confirmed against other affidavits of the same time and place. My guess is "presence of ..." The Notary Public. has to be present when the affidavit is signed for it to have legal effect. Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 26 January 2014 10:05 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] pot or pat Hi , I take your question as a compliment . We are good on the Devon , very good, but this is a quantum leap even for us !!!! Pat an abbreviation for patrician .................in what context ?
Ronald, In 1861 this particular family are still in Devon FreeCen Piece: RG9/1485 Place: Chulmleigh -Devon Enumeration District: 8b Civil Parish: Burrington Ecclesiastical Parish: Burrington Folio: 80 Page: 10 Schedule: 46 Address: Cross Park Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born Remarks FORD Soloman Head M M 50 Tailor Devon - Burrington FORD Ann Wife M F 53 Devon - Burrington FORD John Son U M 16 Tailot (Apprentice) Devon - Burrington -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ronald E. Schultz" <leutsch@sonic.net> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:16 PM To: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > According to the 1900 US Census Solomon Ford came to the US in 1846, can > the 1841 England census be checked to see if Solomon and family are > still in Devon? > > Ron Schultz > > On 2014-01-25 14:05, Joy Langdon wrote: >> There is a baptism of a Solomon Ford at Burrington 1832, parents >> George and Grace. George and Grace also baptised a daughter >> Elizabeth at Burrington in 1835. >> Burrington is about 4 miles from Roborough. >> >> Two of the sons have a middle name beginning with 'H'. Do you know >> what those names are? Sometimes the mother's maiden name (or another >> ancestral surname) is used as a middle name. >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 21:24 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> >> Deborah: Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other >> dates. Names for his children are: >> >> Emma M (his only daughter) >> George H >> James Philip >> Henry H >> Daniel William (my family line) >> >> Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, >> Livingston County. >> >> From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several >> people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. >> >> In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford >> living with the family. She was born in England, year 1835. The next >> year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All >> other marriages were with US born women. >> >> Ron Schultz >> >> On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: >>> I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry >>> Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I >>> can >>> see >>> no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, >>> this is >>> certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. >>> William & >>> Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - >>> 12 Feb 1815 Mary >>> 13 Sep 1818 James >>> 18 Feb 1821 Ann >>> >>> William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: >>> >>> THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon >>> THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon >>> JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon >>> Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, >>> Roborough >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Deborah O’Brien >>> Devon OPC Co-ordinator >>> DFHS Member 11261 >>> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html >>> Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by >>> Torrington, >>> Sheepstor, Walkhampton >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html >>> Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >>> Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >>> >>> Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be >>> no >>> census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very >>> difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there >>> may be >>> several candidates that remain hidden to view. >>> >>> You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by >>> Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) >>> for >>> Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's >>> absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather >>> than emigration. >>> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >>> >>> What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they >>> don't >>> appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are >>> there >>> any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee >>> county? Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or >>> names of >>> marriage witnesses who might be family? Did Henry name any of his >>> children >>> William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter >>> after >>> their paternal grandparents >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >>> >>> >>> Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in >>> the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New >>> York >>> in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest >>> of >>> there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the family >>> in >>> the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 census, Genesee >>> county seemed to have a number of people born in England. Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> Ronald E. Schultz >> 3970 Joy Road >> Occidental, CA 95465 >> >> leutsch@sonic.net >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. 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Ronald This is 1851. Maybe someone else can provide 1841. Bev FORD, Solomon Neighbors 106017 Name Relationship Mar Age Sex Occupation Birthplace Solomon FORD Head M 40 M Tailor Burrington-DEV Ann FORD Wife M 42 F --- Burrington-DEV William FORD Son U 15 M Tailor Burrington-DEV James FORD Son - 14 M Scholar Burrington-DEV John FORD Son - 6 M Scholar Burrington-DEV Address: Village, -- Census Place: Burrington South Molton, Devonshire PRO Reference: HO/107/1891 Folio: 329 Page: 16 FHL Film: 0221041 -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ronald E. Schultz" <leutsch@sonic.net> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 1:16 PM To: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > According to the 1900 US Census Solomon Ford came to the US in 1846, can > the 1841 England census be checked to see if Solomon and family are > still in Devon? > > Ron Schultz > > On 2014-01-25 14:05, Joy Langdon wrote: >> There is a baptism of a Solomon Ford at Burrington 1832, parents >> George and Grace. George and Grace also baptised a daughter >> Elizabeth at Burrington in 1835. >> Burrington is about 4 miles from Roborough. >> >> Two of the sons have a middle name beginning with 'H'. Do you know >> what those names are? Sometimes the mother's maiden name (or another >> ancestral surname) is used as a middle name. >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 21:24 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> >> Deborah: Thank you for taking the time to search for Henry at other >> dates. Names for his children are: >> >> Emma M (his only daughter) >> George H >> James Philip >> Henry H >> Daniel William (my family line) >> >> Henry's American wife was Catherine Collins, born in New York State, >> Livingston County. >> >> From the 1850 US census for Genesee County, there seems to be several >> people who immigrated from England with the last name of Thomas. >> >> In the 1850 US census there was a 15 year old girl name Elizabeth Ford >> living with the family. She was born in England, year 1835. The next >> year Solomon Ford 1834, also born in England marries Emma Thomas. All >> other marriages were with US born women. >> >> Ron Schultz >> >> On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: >>> I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry >>> Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I >>> can >>> see >>> no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, >>> this is >>> certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. >>> William & >>> Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - >>> 12 Feb 1815 Mary >>> 13 Sep 1818 James >>> 18 Feb 1821 Ann >>> >>> William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: >>> >>> THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon >>> THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon >>> JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon >>> Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, >>> Roborough >>> >>> >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Deborah O’Brien >>> Devon OPC Co-ordinator >>> DFHS Member 11261 >>> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html >>> Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by >>> Torrington, >>> Sheepstor, Walkhampton >>> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html >>> Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >>> On >>> Behalf Of Joy Langdon >>> Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >>> >>> Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be >>> no >>> census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very >>> difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there >>> may be >>> several candidates that remain hidden to view. >>> >>> You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by >>> Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) >>> for >>> Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's >>> absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather >>> than emigration. >>> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >>> >>> What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they >>> don't >>> appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are >>> there >>> any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee >>> county? Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or >>> names of >>> marriage witnesses who might be family? Did Henry name any of his >>> children >>> William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter >>> after >>> their paternal grandparents >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Joy >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >>> >>> >>> Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in >>> the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New >>> York >>> in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest >>> of >>> there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the family >>> in >>> the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 census, Genesee >>> county seemed to have a number of people born in England. Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> >>>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> -- >> Ronald E. Schultz >> 3970 Joy Road >> Occidental, CA 95465 >> >> leutsch@sonic.net >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. 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Yes, sorry, they were rounded down so people could be older than shown on the census; Joy ________________________________ From: Jon <berksmon@outlook.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014, 13:16 Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish From: Joy Langdon The census enumerator's instructions for the 1841 census were to round the ages up to the nearest 5 years. Hi Joy, I think you meant to say that ages were rounded down, not rounded up? Best wishes, Jon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
From: Joy Langdon The census enumerator's instructions for the 1841 census were to round the ages up to the nearest 5 years. Hi Joy, I think you meant to say that ages were rounded down, not rounded up? Best wishes, Jon
To clarify the recording of ages on the 1841 census, the instructions to the Enumerator were as follows: Age and Sex.Write the age of each person opposite to the name in one of the two columns headed Males and Females, according to the sex. Write the age of every person under 15 years of age as it is stated to you. For persons aged 15 years and upwards, write the lowest of the term of 5 years within which the age is. Thusfor Persons aged 15 years and under 20 write 15 20 years and under 25 write 20 25 years and under 30 write 25 30 years and under 35 write 30 35 years and under 40 write 35 40 years and under 45 write 40 45 years and under 50 write 45 50 years and under 55 write 50 55 years and under 60 write 55 60 years and under 65 write 60 65 years and under 70 write 65 70 years and under 75 write 70 and so on up to the greatest ages. If no more can be ascertained respecting the age of any person than that the person is a child or is grown up, write under 20, or above 20, as the case may be." Hope this helps, Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon Sent: 26 January 2014 11:19 To: shayes@dunelm.org.uk; devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish Steve, The census enumerator's instructions for the 1841 census were to round the ages up to the nearest 5 years the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Here is another interesting entry on A2A. Mamhead is near Dawlish. Can you place this group of names: Administration with will annexed of John Atwill of Mamhead 4056M/F 9 1808 These documents are held at Devon Record Office Contents: Legacy, furniture and household goods to wife Mary and the cott house known as Plain Dealing leased from the Earl of Lisburne for Mary's life, then to be held by Mary Smaldridge, daughter of Ann Ellis Legacies to James Stooke, Mary Howard and Elizabeth Rowe, son, daughter and grand-daughter of brother-in-law Thomas Stooke, and to Andrew Ellis son of sister Ann Ellis Furniture and household goods to brother Richard Atwill, £200 is to be invested by Richard Atwill for the use of Mary Atwill and after her death for the use of Mary Smaldridge Administration granted to Richard Atwill Joy ________________________________ From: Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> To: stooke@yahoogroups.com; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014, 2:37 Subject: Re: [DEV] STOOKE family of Dawlish On Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:48:06 -0000, "Robin Jarvis" <robinj@talk21.com> wrote: ><snip> > >> Marriage >> >> Thomas STOOKE of this Parish and Mary STOOKE of this Parish were married >> in this Church by Licence this thirty first Day of August in the Year one >> thousand eight hundred and twenty two by me D. Perkins DD, Vicar >> (both signed) >> In the presence of Elizabeth MARTIN Jacob COCK >>Sorry, "Mary STOOKE" above should read "Mary Ann PEARCE" Robin, thanks very much for your help in this. I'm now trying to sort out the various Dawlish Stooke families, and it is really confusing. Names, ages, and dates don't seem to fit. You gave me the dates of baptism of what were apparently the children of that couple, and I found them in the 1841 census, but they are all 5 years younger than they should be. I wonder if the enumerator misunderstood the instructions, and subtracted five years from the age of everyone in the household? Has anyone come across anything like that before? There's also a Stooke family in Clifton, Bristol, where the progenitor, William STOOKE, claims to have been born in Dawlish about 1788. He married a Susannah, and at one time kept the York Hotel in Clifton. According to what you sent me, there was a William, son of James and Mary, born in Dawlish 10 April 1787, which seems to fit. But it also seems that he was buried on 29 Aug 1787. Could the one in Bristol have done a "Day of the Jackal" trick and stolen the dead child's identity? I have quite a lot of information on his descendants, but his origin and ancestry remain a mystery. I'm not expecting you (Robin) to answer these questions for me -- you've done a lot to help already, but just wondering aloud in case anyone has any ideas about these things. I've also had some help from Tricia Whiteaway of the Dawlish Local History Society, and I'm trying to put together various pieces of the puzzle. She introduced a new family, an Edward STOOKE who married Mary BEST in Dawlish on 4 October 1764, and they had several children too. Tricia suggested that Edward and James STOOKE (who married Mary BARJERON on 28 October 1771) were brothers (both were woolcombers), and that both were children of James STOOKE (of Okehampton) who married Catherine PAINTER, except that neither seem to have been baptised in Dawlish. My alternative theory is that woolcombing is perhaps a seasonal occupation, and that the brothers Edward and John travelled around, and in Dawlish found girls that they liked, and married and settled there. There's no proof of this, of course, but Edward STOOKE and Elizabeth DINGLEY of Trusham had sons Edward, born in 1732, and James, born 1742, who did not apparently find wives or die in Trusham, and who could possibly have ended up in Dawlish. This theory could immediately be disproved by finding a record of the baptism of Edward and James in Dawlish, but apparently there is no such record. Would anyone care to comment on the credibility of this theory? -- Steve Hayes Web: http://hayesgreene.wordpress.com/ http://hayesgreene.blogspot.com/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/afgen/ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message