Ros, I think there is a Richard STRAW and Anne KING who marry in Charleton 13 July 1710. Entry is very faint, I do not think the same is SHAW, in fact I am sure it is meant to be STRAW. Maybe someone else with the PR's might like to check. I will scout for any children but it maybe a day or two. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ros Haywood" <ros.haywood@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:39 AM To: <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Subject: [SOUTHHAMS] Richard STRAW and Anne 1720s Charleton, Devon > Hello > > Richard STRAW and his wife Anne are my 6 x great grandparents. I have no > information on them apart from some of their children: > > James, chr 28 August 1720 in Charleton > Ann, chr 18 August 1723 in Charleton > Rebekah/Rebecca, chr 22 September 1728, marr 27 May 1751, bur 2 April > 1794, > all in Charleton. > > Does anybody have any further information on Richard and Anne? Such as her > maiden name, any dates (including their marriage date) - and were there > any > other children? > > Regards > > Ros Haywood > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DEV-SOUTHHAMS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6537 - Release Date: 01/27/14 >

Margaret The only PRATER marriage that I found in Egg Buckland was John PRATER to Elizabeth DESTING [ DISTIN is a variant] 9 Nov 1810 Children to John & Elizabeth at Egg Buckland, John a labourer Thomas 4 Apr 1813 in this Parish Elizabeth 5 Nov 1815 " Then this group to a John & Elizabeth, Labourer Elizabeth 22 Apr 1827, father lab of Thornbury Sarah 26 Aug 1821 Thornbury William 25 Jan 1824, Thornbury Not sure if this is your family. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Margaret" <margaretrudland@optusnet.com.au> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 4:35 PM To: <Devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] MEERS/PRATER > Hi All, > I am back again looking for some help. > My Ancestors John Prater married Elizabeth Meers in Jan: 1844 in Stoke > Dammerel. > I have a copy of their marriage certificate that tells me they were of > full > age and that Johns Father was John Prater and Elizabeth Meers Father was > John Meers. > I am looking for help on finding Elizabeth Meers birth and also John > Prater > s birth in the hope that I can find their Mothers names. > Hoping someone can help me find these two families. > Regards > Margaret > Australia > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6534 - Release Date: 01/26/14 >

Hi Carolyne, I have a connection to the Knights via Frances KNIGHT born abt 1797, she married William MARTIN on the 3st Dec 1816 in Black Torrington. Frances Knights parents were Joseph born abt 1764 and Margaret DAWE, I have found 6 of their children- 1. James 17882. John 17903. Mary 17934. Frances 17975. Joseph 17996. Elisabeth 1804 Joseph Knight parents were Joseph born 1735 and Elizabeth Smale. I have gone back a bit further using the data on familysearch.com, please let me know if any of the above people has a connection with you? many thanks StuartTelford, UK

Hello Richard and Rebekah (also spelled Rebecca) are my 5 x great grandparents. They were married on 27 May 1751 in Charleton, Devon. The witnesses to the marriage were George POUND and Samuel HEWIT. Samuel is a witness for almost every marriage in the register, so maybe he was the parish clerk? Richard was buried 11 September 1792 in Charleton, and Rebekah/Rebecca was christened 22 September 1728, also in Charleton, and buried there on 2 April 1794. My queries are: When and where was Richard born/christened? Did it happen in Charleton as well? And did Richard and Rebekah/Rebecca have children other than my direct ancestor, another Richard? Please let me know if these people are familiar to you and you have information about them. Regards Ros Haywood

Hi Ellen, I'm afraid I don't have any Roberts in my line at all at this point but there's no telling who I've missed. Lots of Lewis, Henry, William and James. However at this point I am hunting up and trying to group all the Knights in Black Torrington and will certainly keep an eye out for yours. It's about 15 kilometres from Black Torrington to Wembworthy, not impossible. Carolyne Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM, WILLIAM QUAN <the4quans@shaw.ca> wrote: > Carolyne, > > I don't know that there is any connection, but I'd be interested in > finding out more about your line of Knight's as I am also researching the > name. > > My line goes back to a Robert Knight & his wife Agnes who baptised several > children in Wembworthy starting in 1695. I have been unable to find a > birth, marriage or burial record for Robert. > > Ellen > >

David, Can you tell the group where you have already looked? Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David N Adams Sent: 27 January 2014 19:35 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Searle/Way I have lurked on this site for a number of years and am amazed at the breadth of knowledge there is on it. A number of years ago I made the decision to not pursue my interests any further back in time but retirement and a sneaking admiration for people who have got further has re-whetted my interest. In the meantime the internet has intervened and information which I sourced from microfiche, books, CDs etc is now available on line. I have a George Searle born c 1760 in Thorveton and married on 24th August 1784 to Susannah Way in Crwys Morchard. Can anyone suggest where I can source information to look for ancestors? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have lurked on this site for a number of years and am amazed at the breadth of knowledge there is on it. A number of years ago I made the decision to not pursue my interests any further back in time but retirement and a sneaking admiration for people who have got further has re-whetted my interest. In the meantime the internet has intervened and information which I sourced from microfiche, books, CDs etc is now available on line. I have a George Searle born c 1760 in Thorveton and married on 24th August 1784 to Susannah Way in Crwys Morchard. Can anyone suggest where I can source information to look for ancestors? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Thanks, Jon. The two volumes of the Place-Names of Devon are checked out from my library and sitting on my shelves as I write this. Not quite bedtime reading, but fascinating in their own way. The amount of scholarship that went into this series is simply astounding. David On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Frayne wrote: > I don't know if this is relevant but Rubbytown is listed in The Place-Names > of Devon, Part 1, Cambs University Press p. 219 and listed under Tavistock > is: > > > > RUBBYTOWN is Rubes in Woleovis 1488 Rental. Thomas Rubye sold land in > 'Woodovyse' to John Brent sometime before 1488. The land he sold is called > Smythland and probably was later called Rubbytown or Ruby's (ex inf. Mr > J.J. Alexander). Thomas Rubye may well have been of the same family as Roger > Rubi, a witness to a charter granting land in a neighbouring district of > Foghanger in 1185 (Buckland). For further names of this type, c.f. > Sparkaton, Prowtytown infra 231, 148. > > > > I have not tried to interpret all the abbreviations but the gist may be > useful. > > > > There is no mention of Cole Town in the Place-Names of Devon albeit several > similar names. > > > > HTH > > > > Jon > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Edna, Tracking down the home port of the vessel is a good idea. However, the Phoenix was not a Royal Navy vessel. Presumably it was a commercial vessel engaged in shipping between the British Isles, the American colonies, and the Caribbean. I am not sure what resources exist for ships in the 17th century. That's a line of research I will pursue someday. For now, my query was primarily to see whether anyone on the list has encountered the surname LARRABEE in their research in Devon and particularly in relation to a Christian name Greenfeild/Grenfell/Grenville/etc. Regards, David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:28 PM, liverpud wrote: > You could google for e-book > Ships of the Royal Navy: The Complete Record of All Fighting Ships > might be handy. > > Cheers, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizabeth howard > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 11:23 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] Greenfield LARRABEE > > Hi, given the quote and its idiosyncratic spellings. > Greenfield Larrabee could be anything !! Does anyone know of the Phoenix > ship ? who owned it where it came from ? > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@mac.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:54 PM > Subject: [DEV] Greenfield LARRABEE > > >> This is going to be a very long shot! One of the classic problems in >> American (specifically New England) genealogy is the English origins of >> Greenfield LARRABEE, who shows up out of nowhere in colonial Connecticut, >> in 1647. (He went on to settled permanently in Connecticut and left many >> descendants on this side of the Atlantic.) Here is an extensive quote >> about his appearance in court: >>

Ros, This is of interest to me for documenting that the surname STRAW occurs in Devon. One of my new England ancestors, like Greenfield LARRABEE, namely, William STRAW, shows up out of nowhere in Amesbury, Massachusetts, in 1683. Some have speculated that he came from East Anglia (Suffolk) or the Midlands (Nottinghamshire). Now it seems there is a possibility that his origins might be found in the West of England. Do you know much more about Rebekah's STRAW's parentage and ancestors? Regards, David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Jan 27, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Ros Haywood wrote: > Hello > > Richard and Rebekah (also spelled Rebecca) are my 5 x great grandparents. > They were married on 27 May 1751 in Charleton, Devon. The witnesses to the > marriage were George POUND and Samuel HEWIT. Samuel is a witness for almost > every marriage in the register, so maybe he was the parish clerk? > > Richard was buried 11 September 1792 in Charleton, and Rebekah/Rebecca was > christened 22 September 1728, also in Charleton, and buried there on 2 April > 1794. > > My queries are: When and where was Richard born/christened? Did it happen in > Charleton as well? And did Richard and Rebekah/Rebecca have children other > than my direct ancestor, another Richard? > > Please let me know if these people are familiar to you and you have > information about them. > > Regards > > Ros Haywood > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I am back again looking for some help. My Ancestors John Prater married Elizabeth Meers in Jan: 1844 in Stoke Dammerel. I have a copy of their marriage certificate that tells me they were of full age and that Johns Father was John Prater and Elizabeth Meers Father was John Meers. I am looking for help on finding Elizabeth Meers birth and also John Prater s birth in the hope that I can find their Mothers names. Hoping someone can help me find these two families. Regards Margaret Australia --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Greetings Roz, I have HAMMONDs and I have seen the records at times list them as HAMMETT. Just a thought. Regards, Lance -----Original Message----- From: Roz Hickman Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:40 AM To: Devon-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] SUSANNA HAMMETT The baptism of Susanna has eluded me for 30+ years. She would have been born circa 1734. She married by licence in 1757 at Otterton the register states OTP, she was also heavily pregnant. Her daughter was baptised at Ottery St Mary some three weeks later. This is a town some 6-8 miles away. I surmise she went there to relatives to have her baby. Her Husband, my 8xGrandfather, had not long bought a farm in Otterton. He had not been in residence long and I wonder if Susanna had come to Otterton with him or had been employed by him, maybe as a housekeeper. William had been born in Plymtree in 1734. Has anyone any sign of a Hammett family this side of Devon? ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Inspried by Gail Pullybank's email about "Crowd Sourcing" and with something of a similar query, I would like to pick up on the statement by one of the researcher's comments, hired by Gail, "They said that a girl would not come to Devon on her own so must be with family ...." My great grandmother's maiden name appears as Eroty / Erotti / Eruth on her two marriage certificates. She first appears in the 1881 census with a daughter, Sarah under her "first" married name of GRIMES - no husband, but he is there in 1891 and more of their children. Widowed, she marries again to George WILLIAMS and has more children by him. Each Census states her birth place as London. I have never been able to find any name similar to the EROTY variants to enable me to follow through on her birth family. However, I do have a marriage for a Hannah SMITH, married to a Joseph EROLI. I find Hannah, who became Annie, just like my own EROTY woman - her first marriage cert states Hannah, then she became Annie (not unusual ) Annie EROLY spent some time in the Clerkenwell Workhouse with her two children, Sarah and Elizabeth and the latter later died there. Annie EROLY does not appear in any Census under that name. So, was Hannah SMITH, later to become Annie EROLY then appears in Plymouth with surviving daughter, Sarah (first born) (I have all the certs.) really Annie EROTY? Regardless of whether she was SMITH or EROLY / EROTY - how would she have made her way to Plymouth, then convince William GRIMES to marry her, with one child already, then not appear in the census with her - which looks like she is stated as a "widow". Back he comes to have more children. A professional researcher says Hannah / Annie SMITH was really my Hannah / Annie EROTY: this means great grandma married three times, possibly the second and third marriage illegally. Talk about tangled webs we weave etc., etc., Any thought please on how the journey from London to Plymouth would have been made - and why? No family down there before that. Diane - Western Australia.

Hi, given the quote and its idiosyncratic spellings. Greenfield Larrabee could be anything !! Does anyone know of the Phoenix ship ? who owned it where it came from ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@mac.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 2:54 PM Subject: [DEV] Greenfield LARRABEE > This is going to be a very long shot! One of the classic problems in > American (specifically New England) genealogy is the English origins of > Greenfield LARRABEE, who shows up out of nowhere in colonial Connecticut, > in 1647. (He went on to settled permanently in Connecticut and left many > descendants on this side of the Atlantic.) Here is an extensive quote > about his appearance in court: > > "Steven Reekes, master of a vessell that came from the Barbadoes, was > called before the court to answer for some miscariadges of his on the > Saboth daye, vizd:--that he, the said Steven, did, contrary to the law of > God and of this place, halle vp his shipp to or towardes the necke bridge > vpon the Sabothe, which is a laboure proper for the six dayes, and not to > be vndertaken on the Lords day. Mr. Reeks answered that their shipp laye > on ground and had not flotted some dayes before, but that day the winde > coming vp at the southeast, brought in a great tide, and then she flotted, > and that all ye company did was but to keepe her of from runing on the > banke or driving vpon her ancor, the shipp hauing neuer a boate to carie > another ancor forth. Hee was toold they should have provided for that > before, for it is ye duty of all men to remember the Saboth, and to > provide so beforehand that nothing maye distrube them vpon the Saboth, > vnlesse it bee in cases of mercy or workes of such ! > necessitie as could not be provided for the day before nor staye till the > day after. Mr. [Greenfield] Larebe, a seaman belonging to the Phenix, was > called before the courte, to answer to some miscariadges of his vpon the > same Saboth, vizd, that he, wth some other company, went aboard the > Phenix, and did worke not proper for that day, as halling of the vessell, > and emptying some stones out of a cannow to help them in that servie. Mr. > Larebe replied, that hee conceived the worke was a worke of charitie, to > preserve the vessell that it might not perish, for their was some danger > of her ouer-setting; besid, Mr. Pery came to hime himeselfe, and saide it > was fitt some bodye should goe downe. Mr. Malbon saith that Mr. Pery was > at his house, and he was speakeing of some danger the vessell might bee > in, whervpon he wished his sonne Pery to goe to Mr. Davenport and aske his > advise. Hee did, and Mr. Davenport tould hime hee should leave it to Gods > providence, the Saboth was a day ! > of rest, and therfore hee ought to rest. Then Mr. Malbon wished hime > to give order that nothinge should bee done, wch hee did, only on might > goe downe and see what state the vessell was in, but that nothing, wthout > apparent necessitie, be done to her, yett Mr. Larebe, wth diueres others, > went and wrought, contrary to the lawe for the Saboth. The courte > considered bothe these cases and finde them to be much alike, and > considering the persons, that they are strangers, and thinking they did > not doe it out of contempt, but ignorantly, they agreed for this time, > (that they acknowledging ther failings, and promising amendment for time > to come,) to passe it by, but if any of our owne take libbertie heareby, > the sentenc will bee heavier on them." > > I think it is quite reasonable to believe that Greenfield LARRABEE was a > West Country man, possibly from Devon or Cornwall. I also believe that > his forename Greenfield comes from the surname GRENVILLE and there was a > famous GRENVILLE family of Devon. In the article on Richard GRENVILLE in > Wikipedia it is stated: "The ancient Grenville family were lords of the > manors of Bideford in Devon and of Stowe, Kilkhampton in Cornwall. He was > a cousin of Sir Walter Raleigh and the privateer Sir Francis Drake. > Grenville's birthplace is believed to have been at Bideford." > > Now the surname LARRABEE is another matter. It appears in many forms, > ranging from LEATHERBY to LEREBE to LARRABEE and all possible spelling > variations thereof. IGI actually shows some Letherbys from Devon. I > believe the name also occurs in Cornwall. > > Has anyone ever encountered in Devon a LARRABEE (or any of its variants) > family with individuals named Greenfield or Grenville or other variants? > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know if this is relevant but Rubbytown is listed in The Place-Names of Devon, Part 1, Cambs University Press p. 219 and listed under Tavistock is: RUBBYTOWN is Rubes in Woleovis 1488 Rental. Thomas Rubye sold land in 'Woodovyse' to John Brent sometime before 1488. The land he sold is called Smythland and probably was later called Rubbytown or Ruby's (ex inf. Mr J.J. Alexander). Thomas Rubye may well have been of the same family as Roger Rubi, a witness to a charter granting land in a neighbouring district of Foghanger in 1185 (Buckland). For further names of this type, c.f. Sparkaton, Prowtytown infra 231, 148. I have not tried to interpret all the abbreviations but the gist may be useful. There is no mention of Cole Town in the Place-Names of Devon albeit several similar names. HTH Jon

Hi, this is part 2 , as FMP has the image of the 1876 marriage in St Peter Plymouth of Wm Grimes and Hannah Eroty..........her father is Joseph Eroty musician. the witnesses are J Summers and Sarah Marshall. Hannah marks X and her written name is Hannah ERaty, ( as written) so was she Hannah E Raty ? however Joseph Eroty , musician , is clearly Eroty. Were they Italian ? French ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Foster" <geniegirl1010@gmail.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [DEV] EROTY / EROLY / SMITH / SUMMERS > Inspried by Gail Pullybank's email about "Crowd Sourcing" and with > something of a similar query, I would like to pick up on the statement by > one of the researcher's comments, hired by Gail, "They said that a girl > would not come to Devon on her own so must be with family ...." > > My great grandmother's maiden name appears as Eroty / Erotti / Eruth on > her > two marriage certificates. She first appears in the 1881 census with a > daughter, Sarah under her "first" married name of GRIMES - no husband, but > he is there in 1891 and more of their children. > > Widowed, she marries again to George WILLIAMS and has more children by > him. Each Census states her birth place as London. > > I have never been able to find any name similar to the EROTY variants to > enable me to follow through on her birth family. > > However, I do have a marriage for a Hannah SMITH, married to a Joseph > EROLI. I find Hannah, who became Annie, just like my own EROTY woman - > her first marriage cert states Hannah, then she became Annie (not > unusual ) > > Annie EROLY spent some time in the Clerkenwell Workhouse with her two > children, Sarah and Elizabeth and the latter later died there. > > Annie EROLY does not appear in any Census under that name. > > So, was Hannah SMITH, later to become Annie EROLY then appears in Plymouth > with surviving daughter, Sarah (first born) (I have all the certs.) really > Annie EROTY? > > Regardless of whether she was SMITH or EROLY / EROTY - how would she have > made her way to Plymouth, then convince William GRIMES to marry her, with > one child already, then not appear in the census with her - which looks > like she is stated as a "widow". Back he comes to have more children. > > A professional researcher says Hannah / Annie SMITH was really my Hannah / > Annie EROTY: this means great grandma married three times, possibly the > second and third marriage illegally. > > Talk about tangled webs we weave etc., etc., > > Any thought please on how the journey from London to Plymouth would have > been made - and why? No family down there before that. > > Diane - Western Australia. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

A good start is to look into the Genuki site listed below of each e-mail. Also the Devon FHS is always helpful too. Happy Hunting, Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: David N Adams Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 2:34 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Searle/Way I have lurked on this site for a number of years and am amazed at the breadth of knowledge there is on it. A number of years ago I made the decision to not pursue my interests any further back in time but retirement and a sneaking admiration for people who have got further has re-whetted my interest. In the meantime the internet has intervened and information which I sourced from microfiche, books, CDs etc is now available on line. I have a George Searle born c 1760 in Thorveton and married on 24th August 1784 to Susannah Way in Crwys Morchard. Can anyone suggest where I can source information to look for ancestors? --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Ancestry has no entry for anyone in its .co.uk database with the surname Eroty or Eroly . The National Archives similarly has no entry on its database for the surname ....... Annie cannot have been the only one. so one has to imagine this is mistranscribed. Is it possible for you to scan in the two marriage certificates. The initial E may perhaps be C or G or even F. the marriage certs should show her father`s name which would be useful , and the birth certs of her children should give her maiden name as well . In the 1881 census Annie is in St Andrew`s Plymouth born London , a widow, with her dau Sarah, 2. However in 1891 William has reappeared, they are still living in St Andrews in Frankfort, William is 40, b Yeovil, a hawker, Annie is 33 , also a hawker, b London , Sarah is 14 , b London. the other children are all born Plymouth., Thomas aged 3 being the last. If they were both hawkers then they would have travelled all over the country , and Plymouth was always a busy place. This is the late 1800s and railways were everywhere , they might have cadged lifts from market town to market town in other traders carts .... However , I have just searched for the birth of Sarah Grimes aged 2 in the 1881 census and there is one , Sarah Mary A , in the Holborn reg dist, vol 1b , 822, Dec 1878 quarter. There is a Thomas James Grimes born in the Dec 1887 1/4 Plymouth vol 5b p 270. Hannah Eroty is marr in Plymouth in Dec.1/4 1876. I cannot find the birth of anyone named Eroty in Freebmd 1850 1880 And Hannah is the only marriage in that same period. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Foster" <geniegirl1010@gmail.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com>; <eng-dev-southhams@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 8:35 AM Subject: [DEV] EROTY / EROLY / SMITH / SUMMERS > Inspried by Gail Pullybank's email about "Crowd Sourcing" and with > something of a similar query, I would like to pick up on the statement by > one of the researcher's comments, hired by Gail, "They said that a girl > would not come to Devon on her own so must be with family ...." > > My great grandmother's maiden name appears as Eroty / Erotti / Eruth on > her > two marriage certificates. She first appears in the 1881 census with a > daughter, Sarah under her "first" married name of GRIMES - no husband, but > he is there in 1891 and more of their children. > > Widowed, she marries again to George WILLIAMS and has more children by > him. Each Census states her birth place as London. > > I have never been able to find any name similar to the EROTY variants to > enable me to follow through on her birth family. > > However, I do have a marriage for a Hannah SMITH, married to a Joseph > EROLI. I find Hannah, who became Annie, just like my own EROTY woman - > her first marriage cert states Hannah, then she became Annie (not > unusual ) > > Annie EROLY spent some time in the Clerkenwell Workhouse with her two > children, Sarah and Elizabeth and the latter later died there. > > Annie EROLY does not appear in any Census under that name. > > So, was Hannah SMITH, later to become Annie EROLY then appears in Plymouth > with surviving daughter, Sarah (first born) (I have all the certs.) really > Annie EROTY? > > Regardless of whether she was SMITH or EROLY / EROTY - how would she have > made her way to Plymouth, then convince William GRIMES to marry her, with > one child already, then not appear in the census with her - which looks > like she is stated as a "widow". Back he comes to have more children. > > A professional researcher says Hannah / Annie SMITH was really my Hannah / > Annie EROTY: this means great grandma married three times, possibly the > second and third marriage illegally. > > Talk about tangled webs we weave etc., etc., > > Any thought please on how the journey from London to Plymouth would have > been made - and why? No family down there before that. > > Diane - Western Australia. > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

That is a better explanation David, thanks. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@mac.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:26 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] P.V. & P. C. re marriages > Bev, > > I wonder whether they could be Latin abbreviations "per" [by] and then > either "vicario" [by the vicar] or "curato" [by the curate]. Don't quote > me on the exact Latin forms for the equivalent of the English "vicar" or > "curate." in English-speaking countries the term "curate" is commonly > used to describe assistant clergy to the parish priest, the vicar. > > David > > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:18 PM, B. Edmonds wrote: > >> Morning folk, >> >> Can anyone please tell me what the initials P.C. & P.V. are after >> marriages >> in early 1700 would mean. >> >> Would they be Parish Church and Parish Vestry? Would people get married >> in >> the Vestry I wonder!! Cannot think of anything else. >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3681/6534 - Release Date: 01/26/14 >

Thanks Carolyne, I'll keep a look out for yours too. I only have a couple of Henry's in later years otherwise it's Robert's or John's with Rowland, William, Thomas, James & Lewis's as well. My father, grandfather & great grandfather were all Lewis Knight. Ellen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carolyne Bruyn" <cbruyn@gmail.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:54:32 AM Subject: [DEV] KNIGHT FAMILIES IN HATHERLEIGH AND BLACK TORRINGTON Hi Ellen, I'm afraid I don't have any Roberts in my line at all at this point but there's no telling who I've missed. Lots of Lewis, Henry, William and James. However at this point I am hunting up and trying to group all the Knights in Black Torrington and will certainly keep an eye out for yours. It's about 15 kilometres from Black Torrington to Wembworthy, not impossible. Carolyne Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM, WILLIAM QUAN <the4quans@shaw.ca> wrote: > Carolyne, > > I don't know that there is any connection, but I'd be interested in > finding out more about your line of Knight's as I am also researching the > name. > > My line goes back to a Robert Knight & his wife Agnes who baptised several > children in Wembworthy starting in 1695. I have been unable to find a > birth, marriage or burial record for Robert. > > Ellen > > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message