Hi Bev Quarter Session Records are actually the reason we have local record offices at all. They were set up to store these legal records in case of future disputes. Other records came along later and I don't think they have the same statutory protection as the Sessions records. There are different Quarter Sessions Records-the County as a whole had a quarterly session but then so did each borough. All the records (and there are tens of thousands of them) are help in Exeter the Heritage Centre. We had a very good presentation on the subject at the last DFHS AGM and I think there are the slides on the DFHS website. Don't forget the Petty Sessions in each borough are separate and also the Assize records where the most serious crimes were tried. Quarter Sessions may have dealt with much much more than crime. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 31 January 2014 02:32 To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] The Right to Remain Silent [Devon Quarter Sessions] Afternoon all, Does anyone know please if any of this is on-line anywhere yet? http://devonquartersessions.wordpress.com/ Will it be incorporated in with the National Archives? When I Googled, this was all that came up. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bev, I'm a bit confused about this project. I was reading the blog posts around the time they were being written, and was under the impression the cataloguing project had ended. Last year (during the Heritage Open Days in September) I went on a very interesting tour "behind the scenes tour" of the Devon Record Office (and found they still use the old name all over the place so I don't feel compelled to check the new one!). The project was mentioned as on-going; I said I thought as the blog had ended the project had ended and was told it was just the person writing it had finished his stint. Hadn't looked at the blog again till today and I see it says clearly "As summer approaches, the Quarter Sessions cataloguing project of which this blog is part and parcel is coming to a close, ..." - written in May; hence my confusion. I agree with Kathryn, the DRO calm view catalogue is the place to look. If by the National Archives you mean A2A then remember new content isn't being added to that - the A2A FAQs page says *Are all catalogues of archival collections in England and Wales included on A2A?* A2A contains about 30 per cent of catalogues of archival collections in England and Wales. The database now contains 10.3 million records relating to 9.45 million items held in 418 record offices and other repositories, however it does not always contain all the catalogues available online for a particular archive. *Is new content still being added to A2A?* There is no further programme for the addition of new material to the A2A site. However, it will continue to be available on the Internet, to be searched and referred to. Existing content can be updated and this takes place biannually. Teresa On 31/01/2014 08:01, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > From:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of B. Edmonds > Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014 1:02 PM > To:DEVON@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] The Right to Remain Silent [Devon Quarter Sessions] > > Afternoon all, > > Does anyone know please if any of this is on-line anywhere yet? > > http://devonquartersessions.wordpress.com/ > > Will it be incorporated in with the National Archives? > > When I Googled, this was all that came up. > > Bev

Thank you Deborah, I think I have now come to the conclusion that the Ciciley EDMONDS of Stoke Fleming was not the wife of Philip ATWILL/ATWELL., rather another Cicecly with the dubious spelling of Syssyll as the likely candidate. I think this was meant to be Cicelia . Would I be correct? Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Deborah O'Brien" <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 5:29 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] EDMONDS/LUSCOMBE and ATWELL > Hello Bev, > > The problem with Philip ATWELL/ATWILL is that he probably was baptised at > Walkhampton, but parish registers only survive from 1674. I show a burial > for a Philip ATWELL 1 May 1677 at Walkhampton. > > Regards, > > Deborah O'Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:31 PM > Subject: [DEV] EDMONDS/LUSCOMBE and ATWELL > > >> Morning, >> >> The name ATWILL/ATWELL mentioned on the list reminded me of my chap. >> >> I have an Andrew EDMONDS who married Alice LUSCOMBE 13 May 1579 at Stoke >> Fleming >> No children appear to be named after this Andrew >> However there is a Cicilia [or Ciceley] in 1587. >> >> Before the marriage of Andrew to Alice LUSCOMBE there was a Sicillia >> EDMUNDE >> buried at Whitchurch 12 Mar 1579 who may have been either Andrew's mother >> of >> a 1st wife. >> >> A Cicilaia EDMUNDS of Whitchurch has a marriage licence to marry Phillipp >> ATWELL of Walkhampton 10 Dec 1628. I am not sure if they married at >> Whitchurch though. >> >> Ciceley/Cicilia is a very unusual name for me so I figure it is the same >> Ciceley who is bapt at Stoke Fleming. >> >> Anyone with a Philip ATWELL/ATWILL at all anywhere? >> >> Bev >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6547 - Release Date: 01/30/14 > >

Hi David Being a Coastguard then was rather different then than now in the UK. There was no particular emphasis on life saving. It was all about smuggling detection and prevention. The Excisemen were regarded by entire communities as the enemy and they could have a miserable existence in the community they lived in if it was a smuggling one. I think there were two main roles-coast rider and sailor on fast cutters. The first rode the coast trying to find cargoes being illicitly landed and then would alert local authorities (the squire and any militia that may have been about the area) to try to stop them. There is a long path round most of north Devon that is about 6 feet wide and was built in the late 18th century to facilitate the riders. Parts still exist as a metalled road in the Exmoor area. The ones on the cutters had the more romantic job of chasing down the smuggling vessels at sea. As the penalty for smuggling was usually hanging the fights between exciseman and smuggler were frequently viscious. Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David L. Langenberg Sent: 31 January 2014 16:45 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] NORTHCOTE - SECCOMBE - Excise - (ROCKEY) Deborah, Just the explanation I was looking for! Becoming a coastguard certainly seems a more attractive occupation than a tax collector. Thanks. David On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > In this case I think you will find he was planning to become what > later was known as the Coastguards. See > http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/coastguards-and-customs-amp-excise-of > ficers -england-wales-scotland-ireland-occupations/145/ > > Regards, > > Deborah O'Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by > Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of David L. Langenberg > Sent: 31 January 2014 15:59 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] NORTHCOTE - SECCOMBE - Excise - (ROCKEY) > > I have been reading with great interest a newspaper article which was > published in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette, 23 March 1839, about the > case of NORTHCOTE v. SECCOMBE regarding a breach of promise of > marriage. The parties involved lived in Lifton, and places mentioned > include Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth. (I am > tracking down ROCKEYs who lived in Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, > Tavistock, and Plymouth, hence my interest in the article.) There is > one phrase used that I don't quite understand the significance of, > namely "he said he was expecting to go off in the Excise, and he would > marry me and take me away" and "young Seccombe said he did not care for his father, but he could get into the excise and > then marry me." Am I correct in assuming that this has something to do > with Customs and Excise, i.e. tax collection? In an American context, > a young man of the 1830s stating that he wanted to become a tax man > strikes me as quite odd, although I do unders! > tand that the implication was that it was an opportunity to make money > so that he could provide for the young woman. But why specifically "excise"? > I probably am completely missing the significance of "excise" in an > English context. Can anyone help me understand? > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bruce, Welcome to the small but growing Knight Group :) My Lewis's are a little further back than your John and Lewis and none in Brixham I know of, although one of my James's married a girl from near Devonport. I never think it hurts to look at every bit of info, just in case. If we all keep an eye out and keep in touch via this list, no doubt we'll all benefit eventually. Carolyne On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Bruce Peeke <brucerpeeke@tiscali.co.uk>wrote: > I've been following the messages about these KNIGHT families because I've > traced one of my lines to a John KNIGHT who married Elizabeth WEBBER at > Brixham on 25 January 1813. I've not taken a great deal of interest because > of the distance between Brixham and both Hatherleigh and Black Torrington, > but the mention of several Lewis's as well as John's has made me take > notice > because one of my grandmother's brothers was Lewis James KNIGHT born at > Devonport in 1886. Unfortunately, Wembworthy is just as far from Brixham as > the other two! > > Bruce Peeke > > DFHS 163 > > -----Original Message----- > From: WILLIAM QUAN > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:07 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] KNIGHT FAMILIES IN HATHERLEIGH AND BLACK TORRINGTON > > Thanks Carolyne, > > I'll keep a look out for yours too. I only have a couple of Henry's in > later years otherwise it's Robert's or John's with Rowland, William, > Thomas, > James & Lewis's as well. My father, grandfather & great grandfather were > all > Lewis Knight. > > Ellen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyne Bruyn" <cbruyn@gmail.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:54:32 AM > Subject: [DEV] KNIGHT FAMILIES IN HATHERLEIGH AND BLACK TORRINGTON > > Hi Ellen, > > I'm afraid I don't have any Roberts in my line at all at this point but > there's no telling who I've missed. Lots of Lewis, Henry, William and > James. However at this point I am hunting up and trying to group all the > Knights in Black Torrington and will certainly keep an eye out for yours. > It's about 15 kilometres from Black Torrington to Wembworthy, not > impossible. > > Carolyne > > Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM, WILLIAM QUAN <the4quans@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > Carolyne, > > > > I don't know that there is any connection, but I'd be interested in > > finding out more about your line of Knight's as I am also researching the > > name. > > > > My line goes back to a Robert Knight & his wife Agnes who baptised > several > > children in Wembworthy starting in 1695. I have been unable to find a > > birth, marriage or burial record for Robert. > > > > Ellen > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Regards, Carolyne

Hello Bev, The work done on the Quarter Sessions cataloguing project is commendable and the Blog itself is a very interesting adjunct. I've just had a very pleasant meander through several of the blog entries..... and can see that it will be my reading matter for the next couple of days! It certainly is an illuminating journey. Thanks for drawing the Blog to my attention. The project itself appears to have been for Devon Heritage Services. Go here http://app-calmview.devon.gov.uk/CalmView/ Then search. If you put 'sessions' in the box and hit <search>, you'll get the lot. You can refine your search in the Advanced Search. HTH Kathryn Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014 1:02 PM To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] The Right to Remain Silent [Devon Quarter Sessions] Afternoon all, Does anyone know please if any of this is on-line anywhere yet? http://devonquartersessions.wordpress.com/ Will it be incorporated in with the National Archives? When I Googled, this was all that came up. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Knights in my family tree are: John Blackmore of Lower Northcott Farm to Charlotta Knight of Alyscombe Edward Blackmore of Dawlish to Elizabeth Knight of Broadhembury There are about twenty other knights both male and female married to cousins close and distant as well. -----Original Message----- From: Carolyne Bruyn Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 6:21 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] KNIGHT FAMILIES IN HATHERLEIGH AND BLACK TORRINGTON Hi Bruce, Welcome to the small but growing Knight Group :) My Lewis's are a little further back than your John and Lewis and none in Brixham I know of, although one of my James's married a girl from near Devonport. I never think it hurts to look at every bit of info, just in case. If we all keep an eye out and keep in touch via this list, no doubt we'll all benefit eventually. Carolyne On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Bruce Peeke <brucerpeeke@tiscali.co.uk>wrote: > I've been following the messages about these KNIGHT families because I've > traced one of my lines to a John KNIGHT who married Elizabeth WEBBER at > Brixham on 25 January 1813. I've not taken a great deal of interest > because > of the distance between Brixham and both Hatherleigh and Black Torrington, > but the mention of several Lewis's as well as John's has made me take > notice > because one of my grandmother's brothers was Lewis James KNIGHT born at > Devonport in 1886. Unfortunately, Wembworthy is just as far from Brixham > as > the other two! > > Bruce Peeke > > DFHS 163 > > -----Original Message----- > From: WILLIAM QUAN > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:07 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] KNIGHT FAMILIES IN HATHERLEIGH AND BLACK TORRINGTON > > Thanks Carolyne, > > I'll keep a look out for yours too. I only have a couple of Henry's in > later years otherwise it's Robert's or John's with Rowland, William, > Thomas, > James & Lewis's as well. My father, grandfather & great grandfather were > all > Lewis Knight. > > Ellen > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carolyne Bruyn" <cbruyn@gmail.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:54:32 AM > Subject: [DEV] KNIGHT FAMILIES IN HATHERLEIGH AND BLACK TORRINGTON > > Hi Ellen, > > I'm afraid I don't have any Roberts in my line at all at this point but > there's no telling who I've missed. Lots of Lewis, Henry, William and > James. However at this point I am hunting up and trying to group all the > Knights in Black Torrington and will certainly keep an eye out for yours. > It's about 15 kilometres from Black Torrington to Wembworthy, not > impossible. > > Carolyne > > Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 6:02 PM, WILLIAM QUAN <the4quans@shaw.ca> wrote: > > > Carolyne, > > > > I don't know that there is any connection, but I'd be interested in > > finding out more about your line of Knight's as I am also researching > > the > > name. > > > > My line goes back to a Robert Knight & his wife Agnes who baptised > several > > children in Wembworthy starting in 1695. I have been unable to find a > > birth, marriage or burial record for Robert. > > > > Ellen > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Regards, Carolyne ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In this case I think you will find he was planning to become what later was known as the Coastguards. See http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/coastguards-and-customs-amp-excise-officers -england-wales-scotland-ireland-occupations/145/ Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of David L. Langenberg Sent: 31 January 2014 15:59 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] NORTHCOTE - SECCOMBE - Excise - (ROCKEY) I have been reading with great interest a newspaper article which was published in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette, 23 March 1839, about the case of NORTHCOTE v. SECCOMBE regarding a breach of promise of marriage. The parties involved lived in Lifton, and places mentioned include Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth. (I am tracking down ROCKEYs who lived in Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth, hence my interest in the article.) There is one phrase used that I don't quite understand the significance of, namely "he said he was expecting to go off in the Excise, and he would marry me and take me away" and "young Seccombe said he did not care for his father, but he could get into the excise and then marry me." Am I correct in assuming that this has something to do with Customs and Excise, i.e. tax collection? In an American context, a young man of the 1830s stating that he wanted to become a tax man strikes me as quite odd, although I do unders! tand that the implication was that it was an opportunity to make money so that he could provide for the young woman. But why specifically "excise"? I probably am completely missing the significance of "excise" in an English context. Can anyone help me understand? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could someone please tell me where the above place name is in Devon? I am looking at the 1911 Census for Devonport, Tamar, Devon: RG14; piece: 13057; ED: 9 for SUMMERS, Henry and Cordelia. Diane - Western Australia

David,, I think you need to keep all options open. The south coast ports were mainly used for coastal and cross channel trading and fishing Customs spent more time chasing smugglers than processing imports. Transatlantic sailing was mostly from Bristol with the Navy based in Plymouth. The press gang was also operating at that time. On the subject of name variations, how about Larby.  Familysearch has a 100+ born in England in the 17c, none of whom were born in Devon. Paul ________________________________ From: David L. Langenberg <gallienus@mac.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014, 20:55 Subject: [DEV] Phenix, LARRABEE/LEREBY, GREENFIELD/GRENVILLE, DARKE, ROCKEY Paul, Thanks for your additional thoughts.  I'm still working on the assumption that Greenfield LARRABEE's name is for real and that it can tell me something about his origins.  My research has taken another tack, now that I notice that there was a family in LEREBYs as well as a family of GREENFIELDs in Saint Keverne, Cornwall in the early 17th century.  So I am out of Devon and into a neighboring county.  It looks like Saint Keverne is on the Lizard Peninsula, just about eight miles south of Falmouth.  Preliminary research informs me that Falmouth was created in 1613 and it surpassed neighboring Penryn so that by 1650 the Custom and Excise had moved from Penryn to Falmouth.  Wouldn't a bustling port have been a place of opportunity for a lad from nearby Saint Keverne? I did find an indication that Grenville was used as a Christian name in Devon: Grenville DARKE was baptized 30 January 1697 in Ashwater.  (Ironically, that is a parish I am searching for my ROCKEY ancestors, a totally unrelated research project.) But on to the Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut to find out what other visits the Phenix made to Connecticut in the middle of the 17th century. Regards, David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Jan 30, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Paul Hockie wrote: > David, > > Unfortunately the National Archives do not seem to have the captains log for > this HMS Phoenix as this would show the voyages.  A major role of the navy > was to patrol and project the trade routes from the other colonial powers - > France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands etc. as well as pirates' They also > provided escorts for troop and treasure ships. The Maritime museum gives the > following: > "In the 17th and 18th centuries there were six Royal Navy dockyards in > England, at Deptford, Woolwich, Chatham, Sheerness, Portsmouth and Plymouth. > There were also a number of outports in England and overseas yards, > including Gibraltar, Halifax and Jamaica." > It would be worth downloading > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/royal-navy-operat > ions-1660-1914.htm > > 1660 was when Samuel Pepys re-organised the navy. > > Paul ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Afternoon all, Does anyone know please if any of this is on-line anywhere yet? http://devonquartersessions.wordpress.com/ Will it be incorporated in with the National Archives? When I Googled, this was all that came up. Bev

This project is being run by Devon Heritage see http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archives-sector/devon-heritage-services.htm. They hold the original records. Paul   ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, 31 January 2014, 2:32 Subject: [DEV] The Right to Remain Silent [Devon Quarter Sessions] Afternoon all, Does anyone know please if any of this is on-line anywhere yet? http://devonquartersessions.wordpress.com/ Will it be incorporated in with the National Archives? When I Googled, this was all that came up. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Deborah, Just the explanation I was looking for! Becoming a coastguard certainly seems a more attractive occupation than a tax collector. Thanks. David On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > In this case I think you will find he was planning to become what later was > known as the Coastguards. See > http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/coastguards-and-customs-amp-excise-officers > -england-wales-scotland-ireland-occupations/145/ > > Regards, > > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of David L. Langenberg > Sent: 31 January 2014 15:59 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] NORTHCOTE - SECCOMBE - Excise - (ROCKEY) > > I have been reading with great interest a newspaper article which was > published in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette, 23 March 1839, about the case > of NORTHCOTE v. SECCOMBE regarding a breach of promise of marriage. The > parties involved lived in Lifton, and places mentioned include Ashwater, > Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth. (I am tracking down ROCKEYs who > lived in Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth, hence my > interest in the article.) There is one phrase used that I don't quite > understand the significance of, namely "he said he was expecting to go off > in the Excise, and he would marry me and take me away" and "young Seccombe > said he did not care for his father, but he could get into the excise and > then marry me." Am I correct in assuming that this has something to do > with Customs and Excise, i.e. tax collection? In an American context, a > young man of the 1830s stating that he wanted to become a tax man strikes me > as quite odd, although I do unders! > tand that the implication was that it was an opportunity to make money so > that he could provide for the young woman. But why specifically "excise"? > I probably am completely missing the significance of "excise" in an English > context. Can anyone help me understand? > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, I AM getting ahead of myself. I notice that FamilySearch includes marriages for LARBY in Sussex, Surrey, and Hampshire (none under LARBBY), while there are marriages for LETHERBY in Cornwall, Somerset, and Gloucestershire. The form in the Connecticut records first attested is Grineffil LARBBY, although it soon became normalized to Greenfield LARRABEE. The master of the Phenix in 1646 was Steven Reekes. FamilySearch includes marriages of several persons of this name in the latter part of the 17th century in Christchurch, Hampshire. David On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:34 AM, paul.hockie@talk21.com wrote: > David,, > > I think you need to keep all options open. The south coast ports were mainly used for coastal and cross channel trading and fishing Customs spent more time chasing smugglers than processing imports. Transatlantic sailing was mostly from Bristol with the Navy based in Plymouth. The press gang was also operating at that time. > On the subject of name variations, how about Larby. Familysearch has a 100+ born in England in the 17c, none of whom were born in Devon. > > > Paul > > > > ________________________________ > From: David L. Langenberg <gallienus@mac.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2014, 20:55 > Subject: [DEV] Phenix, LARRABEE/LEREBY, GREENFIELD/GRENVILLE, DARKE, ROCKEY > > > Paul, > > Thanks for your additional thoughts. I'm still working on the assumption that Greenfield LARRABEE's name is for real and that it can tell me something about his origins. My research has taken another tack, now that I notice that there was a family in LEREBYs as well as a family of GREENFIELDs in Saint Keverne, Cornwall in the early 17th century. So I am out of Devon and into a neighboring county. It looks like Saint Keverne is on the Lizard Peninsula, just about eight miles south of Falmouth. Preliminary research informs me that Falmouth was created in 1613 and it surpassed neighboring Penryn so that by 1650 the Custom and Excise had moved from Penryn to Falmouth. Wouldn't a bustling port have been a place of opportunity for a lad from nearby Saint Keverne? > > I did find an indication that Grenville was used as a Christian name in Devon: Grenville DARKE was baptized 30 January 1697 in Ashwater. (Ironically, that is a parish I am searching for my ROCKEY ancestors, a totally unrelated research project.) > > But on to the Public Records of the Colony of Connecticut to find out what other visits the Phenix made to Connecticut in the middle of the 17th century. > > Regards, > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > > On Jan 30, 2014, at 2:53 PM, Paul Hockie wrote: > >> David, >> >> Unfortunately the National Archives do not seem to have the captains log for >> this HMS Phoenix as this would show the voyages. A major role of the navy >> was to patrol and project the trade routes from the other colonial powers - >> France, Spain, Portugal, Netherlands etc. as well as pirates' They also >> provided escorts for troop and treasure ships. The Maritime museum gives the >> following: >> "In the 17th and 18th centuries there were six Royal Navy dockyards in >> England, at Deptford, Woolwich, Chatham, Sheerness, Portsmouth and Plymouth. >> There were also a number of outports in England and overseas yards, >> including Gibraltar, Halifax and Jamaica." >> It would be worth downloading >> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/research-guides/royal-navy-operat >> ions-1660-1914.htm >> >> 1660 was when Samuel Pepys re-organised the navy. >> >> Paul > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

An excise or excise tax (sometimes called a duty of excise special tax) is an inland tax on the sale, or production for sale, of specific goods etc. We have it in Canada and the US. Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: David L. Langenberg Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 10:58 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] NORTHCOTE - SECCOMBE - Excise - (ROCKEY) I have been reading with great interest a newspaper article which was published in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette, 23 March 1839, about the case of NORTHCOTE v. SECCOMBE regarding a breach of promise of marriage. The parties involved lived in Lifton, and places mentioned include Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth. (I am tracking down ROCKEYs who lived in Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth, hence my interest in the article.) There is one phrase used that I don't quite understand the significance of, namely "he said he was expecting to go off in the Excise, and he would marry me and take me away" and "young Seccombe said he did not care for his father, but he could get into the excise and then marry me." Am I correct in assuming that this has something to do with Customs and Excise, i.e. tax collection? In an American context, a young man of the 1830s stating that he wanted to become a tax man strikes me as quite odd, although I do unders! tand that the implication was that it was an opportunity to make money so that he could provide for the young woman. But why specifically "excise"? I probably am completely missing the significance of "excise" in an English context. Can anyone help me understand? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA

I have been reading with great interest a newspaper article which was published in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette, 23 March 1839, about the case of NORTHCOTE v. SECCOMBE regarding a breach of promise of marriage. The parties involved lived in Lifton, and places mentioned include Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth. (I am tracking down ROCKEYs who lived in Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth, hence my interest in the article.) There is one phrase used that I don't quite understand the significance of, namely "he said he was expecting to go off in the Excise, and he would marry me and take me away" and "young Seccombe said he did not care for his father, but he could get into the excise and then marry me." Am I correct in assuming that this has something to do with Customs and Excise, i.e. tax collection? In an American context, a young man of the 1830s stating that he wanted to become a tax man strikes me as quite odd, although I do understand that the implication was that it was an opportunity to make money so that he could provide for the young woman. But why specifically "excise"? I probably am completely missing the significance of "excise" in an English context. Can anyone help me understand? David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA

This is Kingsteignton, near Newton Abbot Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Diane Foster" <geniegirl1010@gmail.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 8:08 AM Subject: [DEV] SUMMERS / Kingstugerton ?? > Could someone please tell me where the above place name is in Devon? I > am > looking at the 1911 Census for Devonport, Tamar, Devon: RG14; piece: > 13057; ED: 9 for SUMMERS, Henry and Cordelia. > > Diane - Western Australia > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

It's Kingsteignton. See http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Kingsteignton/index.html Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Diane Foster Sent: 31 January 2014 08:09 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] SUMMERS / Kingstugerton ?? Could someone please tell me where the above place name is in Devon? I am looking at the 1911 Census for Devonport, Tamar, Devon: RG14; piece: 13057; ED: 9 for SUMMERS, Henry and Cordelia. Diane - Western Australia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diane It is Kingsteignton, which is near Newton Abbot. Lynda -----Original Message----- From: Diane Foster Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 8:08 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] SUMMERS / Kingstugerton ?? Could someone please tell me where the above place name is in Devon? I am looking at the 1911 Census for Devonport, Tamar, Devon: RG14; piece: 13057; ED: 9 for SUMMERS, Henry and Cordelia. Diane - Western Australia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hard to say - spelling was not exactly standardised at that time. Regards,   Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 31 January 2014 07:39 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] EDMONDS/LUSCOMBE and ATWELL Thank you Deborah, I think I have now come to the conclusion that the Ciciley EDMONDS of Stoke Fleming was not the wife of Philip ATWILL/ATWELL., rather another Cicecly with the dubious spelling of Syssyll as the likely candidate. I think this was meant to be Cicelia . Would I be correct? Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Deborah O'Brien" <deborahobrien166@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 5:29 PM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] EDMONDS/LUSCOMBE and ATWELL > Hello Bev, > > The problem with Philip ATWELL/ATWILL is that he probably was baptised > at Walkhampton, but parish registers only survive from 1674. I show a > burial for a Philip ATWELL 1 May 1677 at Walkhampton. > > Regards, > > Deborah O'Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by > Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:31 PM > Subject: [DEV] EDMONDS/LUSCOMBE and ATWELL > > >> Morning, >> >> The name ATWILL/ATWELL mentioned on the list reminded me of my chap. >> >> I have an Andrew EDMONDS who married Alice LUSCOMBE 13 May 1579 at >> Stoke Fleming No children appear to be named after this Andrew >> However there is a Cicilia [or Ciceley] in 1587. >> >> Before the marriage of Andrew to Alice LUSCOMBE there was a Sicillia >> EDMUNDE buried at Whitchurch 12 Mar 1579 who may have been either >> Andrew's mother of a 1st wife. >> >> A Cicilaia EDMUNDS of Whitchurch has a marriage licence to marry >> Phillipp ATWELL of Walkhampton 10 Dec 1628. I am not sure if they >> married at Whitchurch though. >> >> Ciceley/Cicilia is a very unusual name for me so I figure it is the >> same Ciceley who is bapt at Stoke Fleming. >> >> Anyone with a Philip ATWELL/ATWILL at all anywhere? >> >> Bev >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6547 - Release Date: 01/30/14 > > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message