Hi CArol, William Cole Batten, son of William Batten and Elizabeth Cole is our 2nd cousin 3 times removed. Elizabeth Cole his mother is our 1st Cousin 4 X removed. Elizabeth is the daughter of William Cole b.1791 (our 3rd cousin 5X removed) and Grace Taylor b.1795 (our 3rd great grand aunt). Grace Taylor is the daughter of William Taylor and Elizabeth Treble. William Taylor & Elizabeth Treble are our 4th Great Grandparents. Three other daughters of William & Elizabeth are Mariah, Rebecca & Charlotte Taylor. These three emigrated with their husbands & families to Canada. 1. Mariah Taylor, married Samuel Cole (our 3rd great grandparents) 2. Rebecca Taylor married our 1st cousin 5 x removed John Taylor. Rebecca & John Taylor emigrated to PEI, Canada . 3. Charlotte emigrated with Samuel & Mariah's family in 1843 to St. Thomas, Ontario, Canada. On 2/2/2014 3:38 PM, devon-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > Re: [DEV] Cole Farm & Coletown > From: > "Carol Graybill" <carol@thegraybills.com> > Date: > 2/2/2014 2:33 PM > > To: > <devon@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello, Patti, > I am very interested in your Cole family as my 3rd great grandfather, > William Cole, was born in Holsworthy in 1791. I am wondering if he may be a > brother of Samuel's. William was an ironmonger in Holsworthy and did not > emigrate to Ontario. However, his grandson, William Cole Batten did > immigrate near Toronto, Ontario in the 1870s. > > William Cole's father was John Cole (1734) and his grandfather, I believe, > was Philip Cole (1711), and all were from Holsworthy. > > Let me know if you think there is a connection! > > Carol
My problem children are Daniel Symons DOOR who married Elizabeth EDMONDS at Charles in Plymouth 3 Sep 1836. Trying to search on DOOR is a major headache as I get front door, back door, cottage door [you get the drift] Searching on DORR is not helpful either and nor is DORE [stevedore etc] although there are entries for DOOR and DORE on 1851 in Devon but nothing seems to fit. The marriage image has what looks like Daniel Symons DORR and because he could not write his X is recorded as waht looks like Daniel S. DOOR. There is a Daniel DOOR death at Stepney in 1852, if this happens to be him, did Elizabeth remarry in 1857 at Kingston R/D? I am really hoping that someone has him in their tree, and knows what happened to them. Which ever way I look at it I think there are only 3 DOOR marriages on the 3 Towns CD, one being a Robert DOOR to Eliza HEANS 16 Jan 1814 also at Plymouth Charles, could this Robert be the father? Otherwise this name is fairly scarce in Devon. Does anyone have a DOOR/DORR marriage printout with a DOOR/DORR and SYMONS marriage? Regards and thanks for any suggestions. Bev
Hi, I see he was a naval pensioner , and I am sure there will be pension records for him , but National Archives Discovery is playing hard to get today .........and nothing for Door , Dore, Doer .. Having complained he has now appeared !!! Naturalisation papers , Doer, John Simon, from Frankfort on Maine, Cert 998, issued July 1848 . HO 1/31/998 Admiralty Royal Navy registers of Seaman`s service , Doer , Daniel Symons , no 98957 , place of birth Devonport , 28th July 1858. Adm 188/112/98957 . Admiralty Royal Navy continuous service engagement books, Dore or Doer, Daniel Simon, place of birth Plymouth, continuous service number 5489, date of volunteering 26 Sept 1853, date of birth 9 July 1816. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy E Drew" <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE > >From Findmypast, Special Collections > > This is Daniel's son: > > Marriage 14 August 1881, Stoke Dameral Parish Church, by Certificate > Daniel Doer, 22, Bachelor, Labourer of 49 Queen Street, Father Daniel, > Pensioner > Louisa Callicott, 21, Spinster, of 81 Pembroke Street, Father John, Mason > Both signed > Witnesses: Henry Wilson & Harriat Hammond > > Roy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathryn Barnett" <kathrynbarnett@bigpond.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:44 PM > Subject: Re: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE > > > Bev, > > Here they are in 1871 & 1881 > > 1871 Census > RG10; Piece: 2134; Folio: 4; Page: 4; GSU roll: 832032. > 11 Marlboro St, Stoke Damerel > Household Members: > Daniel Doer 56yrs Naval Pensioner b Plymouth > Jane Doer 52yrs Washerwoman b Pembroke, Wales > Ann Williams 19yrs Dressmaker b Plymouth > Daniel Doer 9yrs Scholar b Plymouth > Maria J Doer 8yrs Scholar b Plymouth > > > 1881 Census > RG11; Piece: 2209; Folio: 173; Page: 9; GSU roll: 1341532. > 49 Queen St, Stoke Damerel > Household Members: > Daniel Doer 65yrs Greenwich Pensioner b Plymouth > Jane Doer 62yrs Book Binder b Pembroke Dock > Daniel Doer 19yrs Labourer HM Dockyard b Devonport > > Regards > > Kathryn > Adelaide > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 9:41 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE > > I think Daniel was born c1815. There is a burial at Stoke Damerel 21 Jan > 1886 Daniel S DOER aged 71, address Queen St. > > Elizabeth must have died because there is a marriage indexed Mar 1870 > Stoke > Damerel of Daniel Symons DORE to either Jane WILLIAMS or Jane REDDICLIFFE > followed by a birth registration Daniel Symons DOER Stoke Damerel Sep > 1861. > > > I think I found him in 1861 as Daniel DOEE (FreeCEN) 9 Marlborough St, > Stoke > Damerel, born Plymouth, Stoker HMS Wellington. He has a stepson William > WILLIAMS with him born Guernsey. > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: DEVON@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014, 5:42 > Subject: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE > > > > My problem children are Daniel Symons DOOR who married Elizabeth EDMONDS > at > Charles in Plymouth 3 Sep 1836. Trying to search on DOOR is a major > headache > > as I get front door, back door, cottage door [you get the drift] Searching > on DORR is not helpful either and nor is DORE [stevedore etc] although > there > > are entries for DOOR and DORE on 1851 in Devon but nothing seems to fit. > > > The marriage image has what looks like Daniel Symons DORR and because he > could not write his X is recorded as waht looks like Daniel S. DOOR. > There is a Daniel DOOR death at Stepney in 1852, if this happens to be > him, > did Elizabeth remarry in 1857 at Kingston R/D? > > I am really hoping that someone has him in their tree, and knows what > happened to them. > > Which ever way I look at it I think there are only 3 DOOR marriages on the > 3 > > Towns CD, one being a Robert DOOR to Eliza HEANS 16 Jan 1814 also at > Plymouth Charles, could this Robert be the father? Otherwise this name is > fairly scarce in Devon. > > Does anyone have a DOOR/DORR marriage printout with a DOOR/DORR and SYMONS > marriage? > > Regards and thanks for any suggestions. > Bev > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
Google and similar free form searches can be tricky and I have noticed that Google have removed some features in order to promote their advertisers and want you to open an account. Google are no longer the fun company they used to be. There are still some things that can be done to reduce the number of hits. 1. Use the Google search tools, especially location. This restricts the search (mostly) to one country 2. Use inverted commas "" to search for a phrase i.e. "forename surname" or "Little Village". You do need to try all known spelling variations. This should also work with plurals and similar i.e. "wood" excludes woods, wooden etc. 3. A the name of the place to the search. You can add the county and neighbouring villages to give a wider search. This I find the best to initially reduce the hits. Year, or even the first 3 numbers, can also help 4. Use minus - to remove terms from the search. In this case -wood may reduce the hits considerably but if a page has a family name Wood the page would not be included. -wooden may be a better start. It is worth looking at the first 2-3 pages of hits to identify possible words. The better search engines such as the National Archives have an advanced search which formulates the query based on the above rules and you don't need to understand the Syntax. These tips help reduce the number to a manageable number to check but there is a risk you may exclude something useful but "steve dore" -facebook -vision gives around 170 hits must of which can be dismissed on scrolling the results. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathryn Barnett Sent: 02 February 2014 07:15 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE Hi Bev, I can't help you on the DOOR problem, I'm afraid. But you have my sympathy, a couple of years ago I was researching the DATE family for someone. Same difficulty when entering <DATE> into any search box! Happy hunting, Kathryn Adelaide (only 43.5 today!) -----Original Message----- From: <mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com> devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [ <mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com> mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 4:13 PM To: <mailto:DEVON@rootsweb.com> DEVON@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE My problem children are Daniel Symons DOOR who married Elizabeth EDMONDS at Charles in Plymouth 3 Sep 1836. Trying to search on DOOR is a major headache as I get front door, back door, cottage door [you get the drift] Searching on DORR is not helpful either and nor is DORE [stevedore etc] although there are entries for DOOR and DORE on 1851 in Devon but nothing seems to fit. The marriage image has what looks like Daniel Symons DORR and because he could not write his X is recorded as waht looks like Daniel S. DOOR. There is a Daniel DOOR death at Stepney in 1852, if this happens to be him, did Elizabeth remarry in 1857 at Kingston R/D? I am really hoping that someone has him in their tree, and knows what happened to them. Which ever way I look at it I think there are only 3 DOOR marriages on the 3 Towns CD, one being a Robert DOOR to Eliza HEANS 16 Jan 1814 also at Plymouth Charles, could this Robert be the father? Otherwise this name is fairly scarce in Devon. Does anyone have a DOOR/DORR marriage printout with a DOOR/DORR and SYMONS marriage? Regards and thanks for any suggestions. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( <http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS ( <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:DEVON-request@rootsweb.com> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( <http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS ( <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to <mailto:DEVON-request@rootsweb.com> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Patti, I think it was I who began this thread on Coletown in Tavistock parish. I was interested in it because John SLEEMAN and Henry SLEEMAN (perhaps son and father, and probably related to the ROCKEY family of Tavistock that I am tracing) became tenants of Coletown, Great Artiscombe, and Artiscombe in 1807, while Thomas ROCKEY, Jr. became a tenant at nearby Hele in the same year. SLEEMANs were there until at least 1825. Before the SLEEMANs, Coletown, Great Artiscombe, and Artiscombe were held by William CRABB, Sr., from 1785-1806. Before 1785 it was held by George CROSS. This information is from the Tavistock Land Tax Assessments, 1780-1832, held at the Devon Record Office (Family History Library Microfilm 1471155, Item 12). Since these records begin in 1780, I cannot shed any light whatsoever as to who occupied the land earlier in the 18th century. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:24 PM, Patti Gates wrote: > Re: DEVON DIGEST Vol 9 Issue 64 > I am interested in the reference to the two farms : Artiscombe and > Higher Artiscombe that remain in existence today. Higher Artiscombe is > the closest to Rubbytown and the former Cole Farm (Coletown?) > > Does anyone know who owned the Cole Farm?Is there information on the > farm that would show who the owners were in the 1700's? I am interested > in knowing anything about this Cole family as our Cole family lived in > Devon in the 1700's. > > Our 3rd Great Grandfather Samuel Cole b.1794 in Holsworthy emmigrated to > St Thomas, Ontario in 1843 and I would love to know more about this Cole > farm and any connection to his parents, siblings and other relatives in > the area. > > Thank you > Patti Lee Gates > Minnesota USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello, Patti, I am very interested in your Cole family as my 3rd great grandfather, William Cole, was born in Holsworthy in 1791. I am wondering if he may be a brother of Samuel's. William was an ironmonger in Holsworthy and did not emigrate to Ontario. However, his grandson, William Cole Batten did immigrate near Toronto, Ontario in the 1870s. William Cole's father was John Cole (1734) and his grandfather, I believe, was Philip Cole (1711), and all were from Holsworthy. Let me know if you think there is a connection! Carol -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Patti Gates Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2014 11:25 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Cole Farm & Coletown Re: DEVON DIGEST Vol 9 Issue 64 I am interested in the reference to the two farms : Artiscombe and Higher Artiscombe that remain in existence today. Higher Artiscombe is the closest to Rubbytown and the former Cole Farm (Coletown?) Does anyone know who owned the Cole Farm?Is there information on the farm that would show who the owners were in the 1700's? I am interested in knowing anything about this Cole family as our Cole family lived in Devon in the 1700's. Our 3rd Great Grandfather Samuel Cole b.1794 in Holsworthy emmigrated to St Thomas, Ontario in 1843 and I would love to know more about this Cole farm and any connection to his parents, siblings and other relatives in the area. Thank you Patti Lee Gates Minnesota USA ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>From Findmypast, Special Collections This is Daniel's son: Marriage 14 August 1881, Stoke Dameral Parish Church, by Certificate Daniel Doer, 22, Bachelor, Labourer of 49 Queen Street, Father Daniel, Pensioner Louisa Callicott, 21, Spinster, of 81 Pembroke Street, Father John, Mason Both signed Witnesses: Henry Wilson & Harriat Hammond Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathryn Barnett" <kathrynbarnett@bigpond.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:44 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE Bev, Here they are in 1871 & 1881 1871 Census RG10; Piece: 2134; Folio: 4; Page: 4; GSU roll: 832032. 11 Marlboro St, Stoke Damerel Household Members: Daniel Doer 56yrs Naval Pensioner b Plymouth Jane Doer 52yrs Washerwoman b Pembroke, Wales Ann Williams 19yrs Dressmaker b Plymouth Daniel Doer 9yrs Scholar b Plymouth Maria J Doer 8yrs Scholar b Plymouth 1881 Census RG11; Piece: 2209; Folio: 173; Page: 9; GSU roll: 1341532. 49 Queen St, Stoke Damerel Household Members: Daniel Doer 65yrs Greenwich Pensioner b Plymouth Jane Doer 62yrs Book Binder b Pembroke Dock Daniel Doer 19yrs Labourer HM Dockyard b Devonport Regards Kathryn Adelaide -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014 9:41 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE I think Daniel was born c1815. There is a burial at Stoke Damerel 21 Jan 1886 Daniel S DOER aged 71, address Queen St. Elizabeth must have died because there is a marriage indexed Mar 1870 Stoke Damerel of Daniel Symons DORE to either Jane WILLIAMS or Jane REDDICLIFFE followed by a birth registration Daniel Symons DOER Stoke Damerel Sep 1861. I think I found him in 1861 as Daniel DOEE (FreeCEN) 9 Marlborough St, Stoke Damerel, born Plymouth, Stoker HMS Wellington. He has a stepson William WILLIAMS with him born Guernsey. Joy ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014, 5:42 Subject: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE My problem children are Daniel Symons DOOR who married Elizabeth EDMONDS at Charles in Plymouth 3 Sep 1836. Trying to search on DOOR is a major headache as I get front door, back door, cottage door [you get the drift] Searching on DORR is not helpful either and nor is DORE [stevedore etc] although there are entries for DOOR and DORE on 1851 in Devon but nothing seems to fit. The marriage image has what looks like Daniel Symons DORR and because he could not write his X is recorded as waht looks like Daniel S. DOOR. There is a Daniel DOOR death at Stepney in 1852, if this happens to be him, did Elizabeth remarry in 1857 at Kingston R/D? I am really hoping that someone has him in their tree, and knows what happened to them. Which ever way I look at it I think there are only 3 DOOR marriages on the 3 Towns CD, one being a Robert DOOR to Eliza HEANS 16 Jan 1814 also at Plymouth Charles, could this Robert be the father? Otherwise this name is fairly scarce in Devon. Does anyone have a DOOR/DORR marriage printout with a DOOR/DORR and SYMONS marriage? Regards and thanks for any suggestions. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Re: DEVON DIGEST Vol 9 Issue 64 I am interested in the reference to the two farms : Artiscombe and Higher Artiscombe that remain in existence today. Higher Artiscombe is the closest to Rubbytown and the former Cole Farm (Coletown?) Does anyone know who owned the Cole Farm?Is there information on the farm that would show who the owners were in the 1700's? I am interested in knowing anything about this Cole family as our Cole family lived in Devon in the 1700's. Our 3rd Great Grandfather Samuel Cole b.1794 in Holsworthy emmigrated to St Thomas, Ontario in 1843 and I would love to know more about this Cole farm and any connection to his parents, siblings and other relatives in the area. Thank you Patti Lee Gates Minnesota USA
I think Daniel was born c1815. There is a burial at Stoke Damerel 21 Jan 1886 Daniel S DOER aged 71, address Queen St. Elizabeth must have died because there is a marriage indexed Mar 1870 Stoke Damerel of Daniel Symons DORE to either Jane WILLIAMS or Jane REDDICLIFFE followed by a birth registration Daniel Symons DOER Stoke Damerel Sep 1861. I think I found him in 1861 as Daniel DOEE (FreeCEN) 9 Marlborough St, Stoke Damerel, born Plymouth, Stoker HMS Wellington. He has a stepson William WILLIAMS with him born Guernsey. Joy ________________________________ From: B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: DEVON@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 2 February 2014, 5:42 Subject: [DEV] Daniel Symons DOOR/DORR/DORE My problem children are Daniel Symons DOOR who married Elizabeth EDMONDS at Charles in Plymouth 3 Sep 1836. Trying to search on DOOR is a major headache as I get front door, back door, cottage door [you get the drift] Searching on DORR is not helpful either and nor is DORE [stevedore etc] although there are entries for DOOR and DORE on 1851 in Devon but nothing seems to fit. The marriage image has what looks like Daniel Symons DORR and because he could not write his X is recorded as waht looks like Daniel S. DOOR. There is a Daniel DOOR death at Stepney in 1852, if this happens to be him, did Elizabeth remarry in 1857 at Kingston R/D? I am really hoping that someone has him in their tree, and knows what happened to them. Which ever way I look at it I think there are only 3 DOOR marriages on the 3 Towns CD, one being a Robert DOOR to Eliza HEANS 16 Jan 1814 also at Plymouth Charles, could this Robert be the father? Otherwise this name is fairly scarce in Devon. Does anyone have a DOOR/DORR marriage printout with a DOOR/DORR and SYMONS marriage? Regards and thanks for any suggestions. Bev ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thanks to the replies from Elizabeth and Paul, I now have several lines of investigations and a widening area of search. I can add to the various name changes, my 5x great grandfather Charles Franks moved to Wilton, Somerset, where the names became established as Fronks. I am grateful for the suggestions and help received. Ruth > From: elizgh@btinternet.com > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:07:17 +0000 > Subject: [DEV] Charles Warren Franks bap 1745 Clayhidon > > Hi, on the Tithe Apportionment for Clayhidon, there are > two Warrens , David and John, both freeholders , no Franks or Hitchcock. > In the same apportionment there seem to be a collection of Franks in East > Budleigh, Feniton, Littleham (Exmouth) Ottery St Mary , Upottery , > Thorncombe and Woodbury both as freeholders and tenants. The Hitchcocks > are more numerous and can be found in Hemyock, Honiton, Harpford, Littleham > , South Molton, Thorncombe, Talaton, Uplyme, Upottery again as both > freeholders and tenants. > Clayhidon is just 4 miles from Wellington, Somerset. though > in Devon. > The 1711-1799 freeholders list shows a number of Franks, > Frank, Franke, and the name change is illustrated particularly by Abraham > who is Frank, Franke, and Franks. and is to be found in the Crediton and > West Budleigh area . If you look at the National Archives/A2A site and > just try John Frank , you will pick up Clayhidon`s apprentice orders, and > you will find the combination of Warren , Hitchcock and Frank. but there is > also a plethora of Somerset villages mentioned. > Friends of Devon Archives tithe apportionment might also > show Duns Green estate under Clayhidon. The first Franke who appears in > the Freeholders lists for Clayhidon is John Franke , yeoman in 1762 , and > the same year John Warren in Buckerell. And in 1771 in Clayhidon a Jacob > Hitchcock as well as a Robert Warren, sergemaker, both freeholders . > Robert Warren is in Churchstanton in 1783 , Jacob Hitchcock is still a > yeoman in Clayhidon. By 1700 there are three Warrens in Churchstanton , > Robert, William and David. > So you have a choice of parishes where all three names have > been found, and so three choices of places of burial of Robert > Franks/Frank/Franke. On National Archives/A2A site the apprentice record > of Charles to Robert Warren is shown as being part of the Clayhidon parish > documents . The Tithe apportionment shows a Dunsgreen , an area of 83 > acres, in the ownership and tenancy of Willliam Farrant. and also from the > same source a Dunsgreen lane , both in the Clayhidon parish. > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ruth Henriegel" <ruthhenriegel@msn.com> > To: "DEVON@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:51 AM > Subject: [DEV] Charles Warren Franks bap 1745 Clayhidon > > > > Charles Warren Franks was the illegitimate son of Joan Hitchcock presumed > > widow of Robert Franks of Clayhidon although no record of Robert's death > > has been found. > > > > In 1757 Charles Warren Franks was apprenticed to Robert Warren for Duns > > Green Estate (PO451). It is interesting to note that someone (? Robert > > Warren) has put a line through Charles second name of Warren on the > > indenture! After that event I cannot find any further record of Charles > > Warren Franks or as Charles Franks. Nor can I find any reference to Duns > > Green Estate. Does anyone on this list know in what parish the estate was > > located? > > > > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. > > > > Ruth Henriegel > > > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Wonderful collection Brian, thank you and also to all the transcribers. Loved the Northam entries, all those lovely marriage's in the mid 1650's [husband's from elsewhere] with so much information given. If only all Vicars had taken so much care. The Vicar of the time may have been less informative in the Burials, though, surely more of these could have been babies, and what a shame that the woman were not transcribed as " wife of " so an so 1748-1764 but there is hope in 1768. Once again thanks to all concerned. A wonderful job. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:10 PM To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> Subject: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon - What's New, Jan 2014 > Hi: > > Here's the latest report - on a busy month that has left me with quite a > little backlog of contributions still awaiting adding to my pages. > > Cheers > > Brian Randell > > ---- > GENUKI/Devon - What's New, Jan 2014 > > No. of pages added/amended: 80 > > Major additions: > > • Devon - Biography: Art in Devonshire, Part I (1881) - index > • Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part IV > (1881) - index > • Devon - Court Records: QS128 - Maimed soldiers (and persons captured by > pirates) - transcript > • Devon - Court Records: QS129 - Maimed soldiers (and persons captured by > pirates) - transcript > • Devon - Merchant Marine: Ships and Harbours of Exmoor (1970) - index > • Devon - Names, Personal: Second Report of the Committee on Works of Art > in Devonshire (1880) - index > • Barnstaple: Will of John Fraine (1767) - transcript > • Barnstaple: Will of John Fraine (1785) - transcript > • Barnstaple: Inventory of Joseph Fraine (1692) - transcript > • Barnstaple: Will of Joseph Fraine (1801) - transcript > • Bideford: Will of William Pyke (1827) - transcript > • Bishops Tawton: Will of Richard Frayne (1595) - transcript > • Brixham St Mary: The landing of the Prince of Orange at Brixham, 1688 > (1880) - index > • Cheriton Fitzpaine: Will of Robert Westcott, Grocer (1825) - transcript > • Dartmouth: The shipping and commerce of Dartmouth in the reign of > Richard II (1881) - index > • Dawlish: Will of James Burton (1835) - transcript > • Exeter: The Prince of Orange in Exeter, 1688 (1881) - index > • Exeter: The old inns and taverns of Exeter (1880) - index > • Exeter: Exeter Interments (Jan-May 1890) - transcript > • Frithelstock: Will of Benjamin Frayne (1701) - transcript > • Langtree: Will of John Frayne (1655) - transcript > • Littleham (Near Exmouth): Memorials of Exmouth (1872) - index > • Newton St Cyres: Will of Elizabeth Northcote (1730) - transcript > • Northam: Northam Baptisms (1538-1840) - transcript (4 pages) > • Northam: Northam Marriages (1605-1837) - transcript (3 pages) > • Plymouth: Notes from the autobiography of Dr James Yonge, FRS (1881) - > index > • Swimbridge: Will of Hugh Frayne (1614) - transcript > • Swimbridge: Will of James Frayne (1619) - transcript > • Swimbridge: Will of Hugh Frayne (1684) - transcript > • Tormoham: Devoniana, Part I (1881) - index > • Totnes: An historical sketch of Totnes (1880) - index > • Totnes: Ancient documents relating to the civil history of Totnes > (1880) - index > • Totnes: The Gild Merchant of Totnes (1880) - index > • Washfield: Will of Simon Worth (1778) - transcript > > -- > School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, > NE1 7RU, UK > EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 > FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6549 - Release Date: 01/31/14 > >
I have the transcribed parish registers. They read: 12.02.1815 THOMAS Mary d/o William & Agnes Labourer Roborough 13.09.1818 THOMAS James s/o William & Agnes Labourer Roborough 18.02.1821 THOMAS Ann d/o William & Agnes Husbandman Roborough You can also check these at www.findmypast.com and pay to view the transcriptions. Regards, Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ronald E. Schultz Sent: 01 February 2014 19:53 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas Deborah: How can you tell if the three children are also children of William and Agnes. I can find them on Ancestry, but they do not state a mother. You have Ann for 1818 and there is an Ann for 1818 with a Mother of Agnes Thomas living with her in later census. Can you please help me with these three names. Ronald Schultz Occidental, Ca On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry > Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I > can see no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. > However, this is certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved > to the USA. > William & > Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - > 12 Feb 1815 Mary > 13 Sep 1818 James > 18 Feb 1821 Ann > > William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: > > THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon > THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon > JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon > Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, > Roborough > > > > Regards, > > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by > Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be > no census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very > difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there > may be several candidates that remain hidden to view. > > You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by > Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) > for Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this > Henry's absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather > than emigration. > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy > > What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they > don't appear in the burial records and aren't in later English > censuses, are there any people of the same names and ages, born > England, living in Genesee county? Are there any visitors with your > family in the censuses or names of marriage witnesses who might be > family? Did Henry name any of his children William or Agnes - > families often named the eldest son and daughter after their paternal > grandparents > > Regards, > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > > Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in > the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New > York in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the > rest of there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the > family in the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 > census, Genesee county seemed to have a number of people born in > England. Ron > > > > > >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi Bev: Many thanks - I've copied this reply to David Carter, the compiler/transcriber of the Northam records that you particularly mention. Cheers Brian On 1 Feb 2014, at 20:44, B. Edmonds wrote: > Wonderful collection Brian, thank you and also to all the transcribers. > Loved the Northam entries, all those lovely marriage's in the mid 1650's > [husband's from elsewhere] with so much information given. If only all > Vicars had taken so much care. The Vicar of the time may have been less > informative in the Burials, though, surely more of these could have been > babies, and what a shame that the woman were not transcribed as " wife of " > so an so 1748-1764 but there is hope in 1768. > > > Once again thanks to all concerned. A wonderful job. > > Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:10 PM > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Cc: "Brian Randell" <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> > Subject: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon - What's New, Jan 2014 > >> Hi: >> >> Here's the latest report - on a busy month that has left me with quite a >> little backlog of contributions still awaiting adding to my pages. >> >> Cheers >> >> Brian Randell >> >> ---- >> GENUKI/Devon - What's New, Jan 2014 >> >> No. of pages added/amended: 80 >> >> Major additions: >> >> • Devon - Biography: Art in Devonshire, Part I (1881) - index >> • Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part IV >> (1881) - index >> • Devon - Court Records: QS128 - Maimed soldiers (and persons captured by >> pirates) - transcript >> • Devon - Court Records: QS129 - Maimed soldiers (and persons captured by >> pirates) - transcript >> • Devon - Merchant Marine: Ships and Harbours of Exmoor (1970) - index >> • Devon - Names, Personal: Second Report of the Committee on Works of Art >> in Devonshire (1880) - index >> • Barnstaple: Will of John Fraine (1767) - transcript >> • Barnstaple: Will of John Fraine (1785) - transcript >> • Barnstaple: Inventory of Joseph Fraine (1692) - transcript >> • Barnstaple: Will of Joseph Fraine (1801) - transcript >> • Bideford: Will of William Pyke (1827) - transcript >> • Bishops Tawton: Will of Richard Frayne (1595) - transcript >> • Brixham St Mary: The landing of the Prince of Orange at Brixham, 1688 >> (1880) - index >> • Cheriton Fitzpaine: Will of Robert Westcott, Grocer (1825) - transcript >> • Dartmouth: The shipping and commerce of Dartmouth in the reign of >> Richard II (1881) - index >> • Dawlish: Will of James Burton (1835) - transcript >> • Exeter: The Prince of Orange in Exeter, 1688 (1881) - index >> • Exeter: The old inns and taverns of Exeter (1880) - index >> • Exeter: Exeter Interments (Jan-May 1890) - transcript >> • Frithelstock: Will of Benjamin Frayne (1701) - transcript >> • Langtree: Will of John Frayne (1655) - transcript >> • Littleham (Near Exmouth): Memorials of Exmouth (1872) - index >> • Newton St Cyres: Will of Elizabeth Northcote (1730) - transcript >> • Northam: Northam Baptisms (1538-1840) - transcript (4 pages) >> • Northam: Northam Marriages (1605-1837) - transcript (3 pages) >> • Plymouth: Notes from the autobiography of Dr James Yonge, FRS (1881) - >> index >> • Swimbridge: Will of Hugh Frayne (1614) - transcript >> • Swimbridge: Will of James Frayne (1619) - transcript >> • Swimbridge: Will of Hugh Frayne (1684) - transcript >> • Tormoham: Devoniana, Part I (1881) - index >> • Totnes: An historical sketch of Totnes (1880) - index >> • Totnes: Ancient documents relating to the civil history of Totnes >> (1880) - index >> • Totnes: The Gild Merchant of Totnes (1880) - index >> • Washfield: Will of Simon Worth (1778) - transcript >> >> -- >> School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, >> NE1 7RU, UK >> EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 >> FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6549 - Release Date: 01/31/14 >> >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
Deborah, thank you for the very fast reply. Ron On 2014-02-01 15:15, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > I have the transcribed parish registers. They read: > 12.02.1815 THOMAS Mary d/o William & Agnes Labourer Roborough > 13.09.1818 THOMAS James s/o William & Agnes Labourer Roborough > 18.02.1821 THOMAS Ann d/o William & Agnes Husbandman Roborough > > You can also check these at www.findmypast.com and pay to view the > transcriptions. > > Regards, > > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by > Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Ronald E. Schultz > Sent: 01 February 2014 19:53 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > Deborah: How can you tell if the three children are also children of > William and Agnes. I can find them on Ancestry, but they do not state > a mother. You have Ann for 1818 and there is an Ann for 1818 with a > Mother of Agnes Thomas living with her in later census. Can you > please help me with these three names. > > Ronald Schultz > Occidental, Ca > > On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: >> I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry >> Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I >> can see no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. >> However, this is certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved >> to the USA. >> William & >> Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - >> 12 Feb 1815 Mary >> 13 Sep 1818 James >> 18 Feb 1821 Ann >> >> William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: >> >> THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon >> THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon >> JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon >> Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, >> Roborough >> >> >> >> Regards, >> >> Deborah O’Brien >> Devon OPC Co-ordinator >> DFHS Member 11261 >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html >> Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by >> Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton >> http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html >> Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] >> On Behalf Of Joy Langdon >> Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be >> no census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very >> difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there >> may be several candidates that remain hidden to view. >> >> You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by >> Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) >> for Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this >> Henry's absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather >> than emigration. >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy >> >> What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they >> don't appear in the burial records and aren't in later English >> censuses, are there any people of the same names and ages, born >> England, living in Genesee county? Are there any visitors with your >> family in the censuses or names of marriage witnesses who might be >> family? Did Henry name any of his children William or Agnes - >> families often named the eldest son and daughter after their paternal >> grandparents >> >> Regards, >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas >> >> >> Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in >> the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New >> York in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the >> rest of there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the >> family in the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 >> census, Genesee county seemed to have a number of people born in >> England. Ron >> >> >> >> >> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Ronald E. Schultz > 3970 Joy Road > Occidental, CA 95465 > > leutsch@sonic.net > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. 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On the 1841 census page for Devon, William and Agnes Thomas are listed. On the same page if you search others on the same page are a John and Jane Heal. Agnes was born Heal(e) is there anyway to prove they are her parents? -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net
Deborah: How can you tell if the three children are also children of William and Agnes. I can find them on Ancestry, but they do not state a mother. You have Ann for 1818 and there is an Ann for 1818 with a Mother of Agnes Thomas living with her in later census. Can you please help me with these three names. Ronald Schultz Occidental, Ca On 2014-01-25 04:01, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > I'm the OPC for Roborough and I have already tried to trace this Henry > Thomas further - I don't have burials pre 1813 unfortunately, and I can > see > no evidence of Henry THOMAS marrying or in later censuses. However, > this is > certainly not proof that this is the Henry that moved to the USA. > William & > Agnes did have 3 more children baptised after 1812 - > 12 Feb 1815 Mary > 13 Sep 1818 James > 18 Feb 1821 Ann > > William & Agnes were still alive in 1841: > > THOMAS, William M 60 1781 Devon > THOMAS, Agness F 65 1776 Devon > JOSLIN, John M 60 1781 Devon > Piece: 221 Book/Folio: 9 Page: 13 Address: Wood Cottages, Great, > Roborough > > > > Regards, > > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Joy Langdon > Sent: 25 January 2014 10:43 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > Unfortunately, if your ancestor left Devon before 1841 there will be no > census to check so trying to identify him is going to be very > difficult. Not every Devon parish has transcriptions online so there > may be > several candidates that remain hidden to view. > > You can try finding supporting evidence that the one in Roborough by > Torrington is the right one. There is an OPC (Online Parish Clerk) for > Roborough - ask them to check for a burial to ensure that this Henry's > absence from later English censuses is not due to death rather > than emigration. > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Roborough/#Genealogy > > What happened to the other children of William and Agnes? If they > don't > appear in the burial records and aren't in later English censuses, are > there > any people of the same names and ages, born England, living in Genesee > county? Are there any visitors with your family in the censuses or > names of > marriage witnesses who might be family? Did Henry name any of his > children > William or Agnes - families often named the eldest son and daughter > after > their paternal grandparents > > Regards, > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: Ronald E. Schultz <leutsch@sonic.net> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, 25 January 2014, 0:36 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Henry Thomas > > > Mike: Thank you for the hint, however my Henry I think was already in > the New York. He had to marry and his first child was born in New York > in Jan 1837. Henry and his wife Catherine(born in NY) lived the rest > of > there life in Genesee county, New York. I can easily find the family > in > the US census and the NEw York census. From the 1850 census, Genesee > county seemed to have a number of people born in England. Ron > > > > > >>> ------------------------------- >>> >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Ronald E. Schultz 3970 Joy Road Occidental, CA 95465 leutsch@sonic.net
Hi: Here's the latest report - on a busy month that has left me with quite a little backlog of contributions still awaiting adding to my pages. Cheers Brian Randell ---- GENUKI/Devon - What's New, Jan 2014 No. of pages added/amended: 80 Major additions: • Devon - Biography: Art in Devonshire, Part I (1881) - index • Devon - Biography: Notes on slips connected with Devonshire. Part IV (1881) - index • Devon - Court Records: QS128 - Maimed soldiers (and persons captured by pirates) - transcript • Devon - Court Records: QS129 - Maimed soldiers (and persons captured by pirates) - transcript • Devon - Merchant Marine: Ships and Harbours of Exmoor (1970) - index • Devon - Names, Personal: Second Report of the Committee on Works of Art in Devonshire (1880) - index • Barnstaple: Will of John Fraine (1767) - transcript • Barnstaple: Will of John Fraine (1785) - transcript • Barnstaple: Inventory of Joseph Fraine (1692) - transcript • Barnstaple: Will of Joseph Fraine (1801) - transcript • Bideford: Will of William Pyke (1827) - transcript • Bishops Tawton: Will of Richard Frayne (1595) - transcript • Brixham St Mary: The landing of the Prince of Orange at Brixham, 1688 (1880) - index • Cheriton Fitzpaine: Will of Robert Westcott, Grocer (1825) - transcript • Dartmouth: The shipping and commerce of Dartmouth in the reign of Richard II (1881) - index • Dawlish: Will of James Burton (1835) - transcript • Exeter: The Prince of Orange in Exeter, 1688 (1881) - index • Exeter: The old inns and taverns of Exeter (1880) - index • Exeter: Exeter Interments (Jan-May 1890) - transcript • Frithelstock: Will of Benjamin Frayne (1701) - transcript • Langtree: Will of John Frayne (1655) - transcript • Littleham (Near Exmouth): Memorials of Exmouth (1872) - index • Newton St Cyres: Will of Elizabeth Northcote (1730) - transcript • Northam: Northam Baptisms (1538-1840) - transcript (4 pages) • Northam: Northam Marriages (1605-1837) - transcript (3 pages) • Plymouth: Notes from the autobiography of Dr James Yonge, FRS (1881) - index • Swimbridge: Will of Hugh Frayne (1614) - transcript • Swimbridge: Will of James Frayne (1619) - transcript • Swimbridge: Will of Hugh Frayne (1684) - transcript • Tormoham: Devoniana, Part I (1881) - index • Totnes: An historical sketch of Totnes (1880) - index • Totnes: Ancient documents relating to the civil history of Totnes (1880) - index • Totnes: The Gild Merchant of Totnes (1880) - index • Washfield: Will of Simon Worth (1778) - transcript -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923 FAX = +44 191 222 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
Coastguards had a major role in preventing smuggling. (Excise duty was tax on imports). There was a lot of money involved, and penalties were severe, so the smugglers were prepared to fight - 19th century organised crime. Being a coastguard could be dangerous, even fatal. Chris -----Original Message----- From: David L. Langenberg Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 4:45 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] NORTHCOTE - SECCOMBE - Excise - (ROCKEY) Deborah, Just the explanation I was looking for! Becoming a coastguard certainly seems a more attractive occupation than a tax collector. Thanks. David On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:23 AM, Deborah O'Brien wrote: > In this case I think you will find he was planning to become what later > was > known as the Coastguards. See > http://www.genguide.co.uk/source/coastguards-and-customs-amp-excise-officers > -england-wales-scotland-ireland-occupations/145/ > > Regards, > > Deborah O’Brien > Devon OPC Co-ordinator > DFHS Member 11261 > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html > Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, > Sheepstor, Walkhampton > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html > Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES > > -----Original Message----- > From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of David L. Langenberg > Sent: 31 January 2014 15:59 > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: [DEV] NORTHCOTE - SECCOMBE - Excise - (ROCKEY) > > I have been reading with great interest a newspaper article which was > published in the Exeter and Plymouth Gazette, 23 March 1839, about the > case > of NORTHCOTE v. SECCOMBE regarding a breach of promise of marriage. The > parties involved lived in Lifton, and places mentioned include Ashwater, > Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth. (I am tracking down ROCKEYs who > lived in Ashwater, Broadwoodwidger, Tavistock, and Plymouth, hence my > interest in the article.) There is one phrase used that I don't quite > understand the significance of, namely "he said he was expecting to go off > in the Excise, and he would marry me and take me away" and "young Seccombe > said he did not care for his father, but he could get into the excise and > then marry me." Am I correct in assuming that this has something to do > with Customs and Excise, i.e. tax collection? In an American context, a > young man of the 1830s stating that he wanted to become a tax man strikes > me > as quite odd, although I do unders! > tand that the implication was that it was an opportunity to make money so > that he could provide for the young woman. But why specifically "excise"? > I probably am completely missing the significance of "excise" in an > English > context. Can anyone help me understand? > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
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Deborah, Lynda and Roy, many thanks for your responses. Much appreciated. Diane On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com>wrote: > This is Kingsteignton, near Newton Abbot > > Roy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Diane Foster" <geniegirl1010@gmail.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 8:08 AM > Subject: [DEV] SUMMERS / Kingstugerton ?? > > > > Could someone please tell me where the above place name is in Devon? I > > am > > looking at the 1911 Census for Devonport, Tamar, Devon: RG14; piece: > > 13057; ED: 9 for SUMMERS, Henry and Cordelia. > > > > Diane - Western Australia > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > > and > > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > List archive for Devon can be found at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >