Thankyou all - Joy, Bev & Tim. I remember now why I hid this in my subconscious - changes between Taylor and Lavers and back when there were also 'real' Lavers with the same forename, and another generation of fatherless waifs who also took stepfather's surname. Some of the hair has grown back. I WILL set off again, but Joy, the link sends me off to Devon Council again, and I cannot find any way of ordering on line. I will email them for simple instructions. In the meanwhile, as I get organised, my sincere thanks and I'll leave you in peace for a while. Bernie. There is a removal order 1833 of John Taylor, Ann his wife and Thomas from Dodbrooke to Blackawton.  It might be worth getting it as it might give you some background information: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-995a&cid=6-5-26& kw=taylor dodbrooke#6-5-26   There is also an apprenticeship which may refer to John: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/a2a/records.aspx?cat=027-995a&cid=6-12-17 6&kw=taylor blackawton#6-12-176  

Hi All I have 10 children baptized in Diptford to William SHUTE & his wife Elizabeth 1729 William 1733 William 1735 Charles 1736 John 1738 Mary 1739 Elizabeth 1740 Henry 1742 Elizabeth 1744 James 1747 Rachall I would very much like to find the marriage for William SHUTE & Elizabeth William SHUTE was bap 1694 at Doddiscombsleigh. It is possible that he could have married anywhere between there and Diptford. thanks for looking Gail OPC Diptford & North Huish

I don't know that it will shed any light but I have 2 members of a WHITEWAY family with Vallance/Valance as a middle name - Christopher Vallance Whiteway bap 1819 and William Valance Whiteway bap 1828 in Littlehempston, among the children of Thomas and Elizabeth Whiteway. William eventually became prime minister of Newfoundland. I've assumed that Vallance was their mother's maiden name though I haven't found that marriage yet. Regards Liz Davidson Suffolk UK GOONS no 5166 WHITEWAY ONS DFHS no 14023 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy E Drew" <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns >I have the marriage certificate for: > Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November > 1856, Halwill PC by Banns > > HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was > David Vallance, Farmer > Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father > James Wooldridge, Labourer > Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge & James Luxton. > > Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. > Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from > Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. > > Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is > with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. > > Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, > Widower, born Beaworthy > Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah > (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. > > Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he > married in 1856? > Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? > Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? > > Roy > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks, Joy. I think you're correct about SOPER being Grace Soper ROCKEY's mother's maiden name. The series of children of John and Betsy ROCKEY began about 1839, so a wedding of her parents in late 1837 makes perfect sense. And she might have been named Grace for her paternal aunt Grace ROCKEY. John and Betsey ROCKEY lived at Nethercott, Broadwoodwidger until at least 1861. I haven't traced them further. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Feb 3, 2014, at 6:23 PM, Joy Langdon wrote: > Samuel WORDEN was baptised 05 Jun 1796 at Kelly near Tavistock, son of John WORDEN and Elizabeth COLLEN (a name which can also be spelt as COLLING). He was buried at Lamerton 22 Dec 1823 aged 26. He is my 3 x great uncle. As Grace was a young widow she possibly remarried but I haven't found a marriage or death. > > I also have a YEO connection but not to this particular William. However, I can tell you that he and Grace emigrated to Canada in 1846: > http://www.yeosociety.com/familypages/Richardsoperyeo.htm > > I think Soper may be Grace's mother's surname. There is a marriage indexed on FreeBMD Holsworthy Dec 1837 John ROCKEY and Betsy SOPER. Holsworthy is the district for Broadwoodwidger. > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: David L. Langenberg <gallienus@mac.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 19:49 > Subject: [DEV] ROCKEY - SOPER - DAVEY of Broadwoodwidger - COLLING - ARSCOTT - ACKFORD - WORDEN - YEO - BAILEY > > > My Deanery of Tavistock CD from the DFHS arrived today and I have been trying to find more information on Grace Soper ROCKEY, d/o John and Betsey ROCKEY, of Nethercott, Broadwoodwidger, who was baptized there on 23 June 1839. Grace SOPER, aged 44 (hence born about 1787), was buried at Broadwoodwidger on 10 October 1831. I don't know whether she was single or married. I wonder whether she could be the person for whom Grace Soper ROCKEY was named. If Grace SOPER were single when she died, I wonder whether she might be a daughter of John SOPER and Grace DAVEY, who were married at Broadwoodwidger on 17 February 1764. Another possibility is that Grace Soper ROCKEY is named for Grace (Bailey) SOPER: Edward SOPER and Grace BAILEY were married 25 March 1811, at Broadwoodwidger. > > There are other persons named Grace SOPER on the CD: One married William COLLING in Tavistock on 18 September 1772; another married John ARSCOTT in Milton Abbot on 6 May 1817; a third married James ACKFORD in Sourton on 12 October 1818; a fourth married.Samuel WORDEN in Lamerton on 2 July 1821; and a fifth married William YEO, 30 March 1836, In Broadwoodwidger. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All I am wondering if anyone is interested in this family Juliana WHITEWAY b 1645 Stokeinteignhead (father Silfester) and Christopher BLACKALLER b 1624 Stokeinteignhead (father William jnr) The children: 1667 Benoni - married Ann GASKING 1668 Henry 1670 William 1672 Rachell - married William SHUTE 1674 Robert thanks Gail

Hi Roy, Normally I would suggest that if Father's name different on MC then he would of been illegitimate. But the only Hugh Johns that I can see on 1841/1851 Census who would be of right age and POB is a Hugh Johns son of Francis and Ann. Black Torrington given as his POB and born abt 1830. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 On 03/02/2014 17:52, Roy E Drew wrote: > I have the marriage certificate for: > Hugh David Vallance Johns& Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns > > HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer > Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer > Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge& James Luxton. > > Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. > Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. > > Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James& Susanna in 1861 census. > > Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy > Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. > > Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? > Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? > Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? > > Roy >

does this help England & Wales, FreeBMD Marriage Index, 1837-1915 about Hugh David V Johns Hugh David V Johns Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1869 Registration District: Tavistock Inferred County: Devon Volume Number: 5b Page Number: 599 Records on Page: Name Sarah Brayleys Sarah Jane Cudlipp Hugh David V Johns William Maunder -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy E Drew Sent: 03 February 2014 17:53 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns I have the marriage certificate for: Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge & James Luxton. Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? Roy ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Pirates raided the coast of Devon and Cornwall.  St Keverne in Cornwall was attacked several times in 1636 (see link).   http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/West-communities-faced-300-years-terror-Barbary/story-19641515-detail/story.html#axzz2sHcCmrTO   Joy ________________________________ From: edbar <edbar@nl.rogers.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:18 Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery Hi David I understand that the Turkish Pirates did originally operate within the Mediterranean Sea but certainly later expanded their area of operation into the Atlantic.  Many of the ships fishing in Newfoundland would, at the end of the season, would take their cargo to Portugal/Spain before returning to England. Later (c. 1700's) they used larger ships called "Sack Ships" to take the fish to market and the smaller fishing ships returned to England. I suspect the the biggest risk to these English ships from the pirates was when they went to Portugal / Spain to sell their fish as opposed to while they were fishing in the ocean off the Atlantic coast. I also understand that the pirates sometimes took some of the captured sailors as part of their crew, I expect these men would certainly be able to show the pirates how to navigate the Atlantic. Ed -----Original Message----- From: David L. Langenberg Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:08 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery

I have the marriage certificate for: Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge & James Luxton. Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? Roy

Hi Roz, if you can`t find her - no one can !!! but does licence suggest underage to you , perhaps she was only 15/16 , hence the need to go back "home" to Ottery ? could she in fact be born c 1740-2 . does the licence survive ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Hickman" <RozMH@talktalk.net> To: <Devon-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [DEV] SUSANNA HAMMETT > The baptism of Susanna has eluded me for 30+ years. > > > > She would have been born circa 1734. > > She married by licence in 1757 at Otterton the register states OTP, she > was > also heavily pregnant. > > Her daughter was baptised at Ottery St Mary some three weeks later. This > is > a town some 6-8 miles away. I surmise she went there to relatives to have > her baby. > > > > Her Husband, my 8xGrandfather, had not long bought a farm in Otterton. He > had not been in residence long and I wonder if Susanna had come to > Otterton > with him or had been employed by him, maybe as a housekeeper. > > > > William had been born in Plymtree in 1734. > > > > Has anyone any sign of a Hammett family this side of Devon? > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, just to add my two ignorant pennyworth ....to a great extent all "pirates" were called Turks or the Sallymen. This doesn`t mean in my opinion that they were pirates as in Johnny Depp or from Turkey or from Sale in Morocco . As a child my grandmother threatened me with the Sallymen if I strayed out of the garden, we lived not far from the sea on the south coast. And arabic lettering has been found on artefacts from a arab dhow type ship just off Sidmouth So these were ocean going ships , and Portugal like Ireland like Morocco were well within their strike range. See Linda Colley`s wonderful book Captives. And don`t forget the at Weymouth too was a port for ocean going ships, the sadly misnamed Happy Return took some of the Monmouth rebels to Barbados from Weymouth in 1685/8. I have now discovered a Vanstone website. just by chance.........try googling Vanstone web. And they seem to have found the name from the 15th C and perhaps intitially not Van but Fanston , but Devon and Cornwall for sure. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@mac.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery > Gion and Ed, > > This is quite interesting to me. I believe I started this thread with a > speculation about Devon being the place of origin of Greenfield LARRABEE, > and it has turned into a more general discussion about transatlantic > shipping in the 17th century. I am now exploring some documents relating > to mid-17th century shipping from Bristol (after someone pointed out that > Bristol or ports on the North Devon coast were more likely than south > coast cities like Plymouth and Falmouth to be involved in transatlantic > commerce) and I have found a reference to "Turkish pirates" off the coast > of Portugal. That rather surprised me, because I was under the mistaken > impression that the Turks had stayed within the Mediterranean Sea. > > I want very much to take a look at the site you mentioned to see his > methodology and his results. > > I haven't quite synthesized the Bristol documents yet, but I believe the > master of the 1647 ship from Barbados that ran into a spot of trouble in > Connecticut, where Greenfield LARRABEE is first mentioned, namely Steven > Reekes, is mentioned a couple of years previously in a Bristol document. > At that time he was master of another ship engaged in the Barbados trade > from Bristol. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > > On Feb 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, edbar wrote: > >> Hi Gion >> Here is a URL to a petition (on a Newfoundland genealogy website) about >> "Turkish Pirates" activity. It was signed by about 1000 people from Devon >> who were probably somehow active in the Newfoundland fishery c. 1642. It >> seems to have been circulated and signed before they left Devon for the >> fishing season. It appears that the submitter, Thomas Cole, has done some >> research to identify where in Devon these people came from. >> >> http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cole-Documents/dartmouth-harbour-gathering-1642.shtml >> >> Regards >> Ed Barbour >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gion Tobac >> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:05 AM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Greenfield LARRABEE >> >> Staplehill >> I would consider Staplehill's ship as a priority study; it will perhaps >> suggest Devon as Larrabee's roots. It is well known that Aldred (not >> Alfred) >> Staplehill was involved in the Newfoundland trade out of Dartmouth by >> 1641/42 and perhaps long before that date. In 1641 I am not certain if >> this >> is Aldred Sr or Jr and it is just a jaunt down the coast from >> Newfoundland >> to Barbados or to New England. Aldred Sr seems to have been born in 1580 >> at >> Exeter, son of Gilbert, and Aldred Jr was born in Dartmouth. Alexander >> Staplehill, Sr and Jr were also involved in Newfoundland adventures c1642 >> likewise Gilbert Jr., 2 named John, 2 named Thomas all out of Dartmouth. >> They were no strangers in the New World. in St Saviour's Church, at >> Dartmouth, there is a brass effigy of Gilbart Staplehiil, once Mayor of >> the >> town. He died 15th February, 1637. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Joy, Thanks for the reference. The Calendar of State Papers sounds about right. I'll have to check it out in my library tomorrow. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Feb 3, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Joy Langdon wrote: > The Vicar of St Keverne from 1896-1913 collected information about the history of St Keverne and he attributes his notes on the pirate raids of the 17th century at St Keverne to the Calendar of State Papes (domestic): > http://www.st-keverne.com/History/diggens/d9.php > > Joy > > From: David L. Langenberg <gallienus@mac.com> > To: Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 20:30 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery > > Joy, > > Very interesting. The link points to a newly published book that my library does not own. I will request it. I don't know whether the book is footnoted or not, but I would be quite interested in knowing the source for the St. Keverne story. > > I was also interested in this paragraph: > > "Oliver Cromwell, aware that the corsairs were crippling his South West ports and drastically raising insurance costs for the entire merchant fleet, decreed that any Arab taken in those waters should be taken to Bristol and slowly drowned. He commissioned Robert Blake and William Penn, both of solid Westcountry stock, to clear the corsairs off Lundy Island, which they had made their operations base. They bombarded the makeshift enemy stronghold and those not killed or captured fled back to Barbary." > > I am related to Blake in a very distant way: 2nd cousin, 12 times removed. Another great-grandchild of Robert Blake's great-grandfather, Humphrey Blake (d. 1558, of Over Stowey, Somerset) settled in Connecticut in the 1630s. And the William Penn mentioned is presumably the father of the William Penn so famous in Delaware Valley history. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > > > On Feb 3, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Joy Langdon wrote: > >> Pirates raided the coast of Devon and Cornwall. St Keverne in Cornwall was attacked several times in 1636 (see link). >> >> http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/West-communities-faced-300-years-terror-Barbary/story-19641515-detail/story.html#axzz2sHcCmrTO >> >> Joy >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: edbar <edbar@nl.rogers.com> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:18 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery >> >> >> Hi David >> I understand that the Turkish Pirates did originally operate within the >> Mediterranean Sea but certainly later expanded their area of operation into >> the Atlantic. Many of the ships fishing in Newfoundland would, at the end >> of the season, would take their cargo to Portugal/Spain before returning to >> England. Later (c. 1700's) they used larger ships called "Sack Ships" to >> take the fish to market and the smaller fishing ships returned to England. >> I suspect the the biggest risk to these English ships from the pirates was >> when they went to Portugal / Spain to sell their fish as opposed to while >> they were fishing in the ocean off the Atlantic coast. I also understand >> that the pirates sometimes took some of the captured sailors as part of >> their crew, I expect these men would certainly be able to show the pirates >> how to navigate the Atlantic. >> >> Ed >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: David L. Langenberg >> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:08 PM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Bev, Quite an interesting document. Thanks for transcribing it and making it available on GENUKI. I wonder what the impetus for the list was? And your comments about "so many names jump out at one" and "son of Pasco" caught my attention, because the name PASCO seems to occur in Cornwall and Devon but rarely elsewhere, at least in the 17th century. In my recent research in the Tavistock land tax records, I encountered it as a Christian name. The spouse of my 8G Grandaunt was Pasco FOOTE, Jr., a mariner in the Newfoundland trade, 1678; he was the son of Pasco FOOTE, Sr., of Salem, Massachusetts, who died 1671. I'd bet dollars to donuts that his origins are in Cornwall or Devon. A later Pasco FOOT and Martha CARTER were married at Topsham, Devon in 1698, and two of their children (Robert, 1704 and Mary, 1706) were baptized at Topsham. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Feb 3, 2014, at 3:33 PM, B. Edmonds wrote: > This is a wonderful bit of work with thanks to Thomas COLE and to Ed for > bringing this web-site to our attention. > > I notice Edward EDMONDS signed the petition. > > On the subject of Pirates, about 4-6 weeks ago this was mentioned on the > List and interest was shown by me in Mary NOWELL whose son Michael SAUNDERS > was taken by Pirates. > > I have since ordered her Doc from the DRO [out of interest only] and it > arrived on the 28th Jan, I have since transcribed the Doc and sent it to > Brian for Genuki but am not sure if it has been added to Genuki yet, as I > know he has been busy. I hope to be able to see if any of Thomas COLE'S men > are named in the Maimed Soldiers page [which covers Pirates] > at > http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/CourtRecords/QS128.html > > The Thomas FAGOE/JAGOE [ whose marriage I sent to the List as a stray] is I > think mentioned and could be the son of Pasco. > > Marvelous how all of a sudden so many names jump out at one with names > recently mentioned. > > Bev > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "edbar" <edbar@nl.rogers.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:03 AM > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery > >> Hi Gion >> Here is a URL to a petition (on a Newfoundland genealogy website) about >> "Turkish Pirates" activity. It was signed by about 1000 people from Devon >> who were probably somehow active in the Newfoundland fishery c. 1642. It >> seems to have been circulated and signed before they left Devon for the >> fishing season. It appears that the submitter, Thomas Cole, has done some >> research to identify where in Devon these people came from. >> >> http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cole-Documents/dartmouth-harbour-gathering-1642.shtml >> >> Regards >> Ed Barbour >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gion Tobac >> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:05 AM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [DEV] Greenfield LARRABEE >> >> Staplehill >> I would consider Staplehill's ship as a priority study; it will perhaps >> suggest Devon as Larrabee's roots. It is well known that Aldred (not >> Alfred) >> Staplehill was involved in the Newfoundland trade out of Dartmouth by >> 1641/42 and perhaps long before that date. In 1641 I am not certain if >> this >> is Aldred Sr or Jr and it is just a jaunt down the coast from Newfoundland >> to Barbados or to New England. Aldred Sr seems to have been born in 1580 >> at >> Exeter, son of Gilbert, and Aldred Jr was born in Dartmouth. Alexander >> Staplehill, Sr and Jr were also involved in Newfoundland adventures c1642 >> likewise Gilbert Jr., 2 named John, 2 named Thomas all out of Dartmouth. >> They were no strangers in the New World. in St Saviour's Church, at >> Dartmouth, there is a brass effigy of Gilbart Staplehiil, once Mayor of >> the >> town. He died 15th February, 1637. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in >> the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6553 - Release Date: 02/02/14 >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Bev, I have been trying to get back to Wm Hodge, RM , for some time !!! I don`t think I have necessarily found him but on Discovery there is a William Hodge, b June 1816, at Devonport "Hampshire". who had served since 1832 . ADM 139/24/2366. But I think you can discount him as he I think appears on the 1861 as yeoman of storerooms , unm, 46 . Sadly Hodge is not the rarest of names !!! can`t immediately find Peggy/Margaret or Eliza or Wm Thomas junr. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 6:47 AM Subject: [DEV] William Thomas HODGE c 1812 > Afternoon, > > Another family who seems to have gone walkabout is the following one. > > William Thomas HODGE married Margaret [Peggy] EDMONDS 17 Feb 1835 at St > George East Stonehouse > > As far as I can ascertain they had children > Eliza Mary 1835 > William Thomas 1839 > Both born at Stonehouse > > The father's occupation in 1835 was Private in the Royal Marines at East > Stonehouse. > > Does the above ring any bells with anyone, where did they go and what > happened to Margaret [Peggy] and the children? > > Bev > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Joy, Very interesting. The link points to a newly published book that my library does not own. I will request it. I don't know whether the book is footnoted or not, but I would be quite interested in knowing the source for the St. Keverne story. I was also interested in this paragraph: "Oliver Cromwell, aware that the corsairs were crippling his South West ports and drastically raising insurance costs for the entire merchant fleet, decreed that any Arab taken in those waters should be taken to Bristol and slowly drowned. He commissioned Robert Blake and William Penn, both of solid Westcountry stock, to clear the corsairs off Lundy Island, which they had made their operations base. They bombarded the makeshift enemy stronghold and those not killed or captured fled back to Barbary." I am related to Blake in a very distant way: 2nd cousin, 12 times removed. Another great-grandchild of Robert Blake's great-grandfather, Humphrey Blake (d. 1558, of Over Stowey, Somerset) settled in Connecticut in the 1630s. And the William Penn mentioned is presumably the father of the William Penn so famous in Delaware Valley history. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA On Feb 3, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Joy Langdon wrote: > Pirates raided the coast of Devon and Cornwall. St Keverne in Cornwall was attacked several times in 1636 (see link). > > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/West-communities-faced-300-years-terror-Barbary/story-19641515-detail/story.html#axzz2sHcCmrTO > > Joy > > > ________________________________ > From: edbar <edbar@nl.rogers.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:18 > Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery > > > Hi David > I understand that the Turkish Pirates did originally operate within the > Mediterranean Sea but certainly later expanded their area of operation into > the Atlantic. Many of the ships fishing in Newfoundland would, at the end > of the season, would take their cargo to Portugal/Spain before returning to > England. Later (c. 1700's) they used larger ships called "Sack Ships" to > take the fish to market and the smaller fishing ships returned to England. > I suspect the the biggest risk to these English ships from the pirates was > when they went to Portugal / Spain to sell their fish as opposed to while > they were fishing in the ocean off the Atlantic coast. I also understand > that the pirates sometimes took some of the captured sailors as part of > their crew, I expect these men would certainly be able to show the pirates > how to navigate the Atlantic. > > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: David L. Langenberg > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 12:08 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My Deanery of Tavistock CD from the DFHS arrived today and I have been trying to find more information on Grace Soper ROCKEY, d/o John and Betsey ROCKEY, of Nethercott, Broadwoodwidger, who was baptized there on 23 June 1839. Grace SOPER, aged 44 (hence born about 1787), was buried at Broadwoodwidger on 10 October 1831. I don't know whether she was single or married. I wonder whether she could be the person for whom Grace Soper ROCKEY was named. If Grace SOPER were single when she died, I wonder whether she might be a daughter of John SOPER and Grace DAVEY, who were married at Broadwoodwidger on 17 February 1764. Another possibility is that Grace Soper ROCKEY is named for Grace (Bailey) SOPER: Edward SOPER and Grace BAILEY were married 25 March 1811, at Broadwoodwidger. There are other persons named Grace SOPER on the CD: One married William COLLING in Tavistock on 18 September 1772; another married John ARSCOTT in Milton Abbot on 6 May 1817; a third married James ACKFORD in Sourton on 12 October 1818; a fourth married.Samuel WORDEN in Lamerton on 2 July 1821; and a fifth married William YEO, 30 March 1836, In Broadwoodwidger. David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA

Hi, DFHS Deanery of Torrington cd has burials of two Benjamin Vanstone in Dowland, the second one 24.11.1799 of Winkleigh , is for a 60 yr old . and other has is of Iddesleigh, 3.12.1785. Thomasin is buried in Iddesleigh aged 72 in 1816, widow. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adrian" <adrianp7@talktalk.net> To: "MARION WILSON" <ruthwilson1111@btinternet.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] BENJAMIN VANSTONE OF IDDESLEIGH > Hello Ruth > > Thank you for your suggestion. > > I suspect that "my" Benjamin did not die c 1785 after all! I have just > located a number of baptisms in nearby Winkleigh of children of Benjamin > and Thomasin VANSTONE between 1781 and 1790. It therefore appears that > Benjamin must have died sometime between say 1780 and 1816. > > I have e-mailed the OPC for Winkleigh to see if she has any record of > his burial in Winkleigh. > > My connection with Benjamin VANSTONE is through his wife Thomasin whose > maiden name was WEEKS. It is the first time for quite a while since I > have looked at this family! > > Adrian > > On 03/02/2014 12:36, MARION WILSON wrote: >> Hi Adrian, >> >> I have a burial at Iddesleigh on 03 Dec 1785 of a Benjamin Vanstone. This >> has been obtained from another tree on Ancestry and I have not checked >> the information. They have it as the burial of a Benjamin born in Dowland >> in 1711. It sounds more likely to be your Benjamin. >> >> Hope this helps. >> >> Ruth >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: Tim Treeby (Genealogy) <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 10:52 >> Subject: Re: [DEV] BENJAMIN VANSTONE OF IDDESLEIGH >> >> >> Hi Adrian, >> According to the Devon Wills Project >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/DevonWillsProject/ there was a Benjamin >> Vanstone of Iddesleigh, whose estate was administered in 1785. >> Unfortunately there is no way to find out any other info re the Will. >> But hopefully if this is your Benjamin you at least have an idea of >> about what date to start looking for a Burial. >> >> Tim Treeby >> DFHS 13926 >> >> On 03/02/2014 08:49, Adrian wrote: >>> Benjamin VANSTONE married Thomasin WEEKS in Iddesleigh on 27 April 1768. >>> Their children were baptised there between 1769 and 1778. Thomasin was a >>> widow when she was buried in Iddesleigh on 27 August 1816. >>> >>> As yet, I have been unable to locate the details of Benjamin's burial. >>> Can anyone help, please? >>> >>> Adrian >>> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, whilst looking for Benj Vanstone, I came across John Rockey , junr, buried aged 9 , 21.12.1835 of Moor Mill buried at Petrockstowe .. And Emanuel Rockey, buried aged 16 in Roborough 28.2.1839. .And Sally Rockey, buried aged 15 at Meeth, of Hatherleigh, 27.1.1814. And Elizabeth Rockey buried aged 4, 6th ? 1836 , Dowland. And 2. at Beaford, Rachel Rockey, aged 9 of Arlington Mill, on 31.01.1819 and Susanna aged 63, 04.02.1837 of Monk Okehampton. life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=///

Elizabeth First I heard of this but Interesting, I wonder if Sallymen was a corruption of one of the great Turkish leaders name "Suleiman the Great", leader of the Ottoman Empire? -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth howard Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 1:30 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery &VANSTONE Hi, just to add my two ignorant pennyworth ....to a great extent all "pirates" were called Turks or the Sallymen. This doesn`t mean in my opinion that they were pirates as in Johnny Depp or from Turkey or from Sale in Morocco . As a child my grandmother threatened me with the Sallymen if I strayed out of the garden, we lived not far from the sea on the south coast. And arabic lettering has been found on artefacts from a arab dhow type ship just off Sidmouth So these were ocean going ships , and Portugal like Ireland like Morocco were well within their strike range. See Linda Colley`s wonderful book Captives. And don`t forget the at Weymouth too was a port for ocean going ships, the sadly misnamed Happy Return took some of the Monmouth rebels to Barbados from Weymouth in 1685/8. I have now discovered a Vanstone website. just by chance.........try googling Vanstone web. And they seem to have found the name from the 15th C and perhaps intitially not Van but Fanston , but Devon and Cornwall for sure.

Elizabeth,On Feb 3, 2014, at 9:26 AM, elizabeth howard wrote: > > Hi, whilst looking for Benj Vanstone, I came across John Rockey , junr, buried aged 9 , 21.12.1835 of Moor Mill buried at Petrockstowe .. And Emanuel Rockey, buried aged 16 in Roborough 28.2.1839. .And Sally Rockey, buried aged 15 at Meeth, of Hatherleigh, 27.1.1814. And Elizabeth Rockey buried aged 4, 6th ? 1836 , Dowland. And 2. at Beaford, Rachel Rockey, aged 9 of Arlington Mill, on 31.01.1819 and Susanna aged 63, 04.02.1837 of Monk Okehampton. I joined this list to see if I could find information on my Vanstone line. Your post really got my attention. Could we be working on the same lines? I think I have a Tristam in my line, but not verified. My great- great grandmother was born in Barton by Torquay, Devon on 16 May 1835 Name Mary Towell Vanstone. She married Frederick John Tuckett 24 May 1864 in the Parrish Church, Dorwood, Devonshire, England. Her father was John Vanstone born in 1811 in Broadwoodkelly, Devon and was buried 10 July 1877 at St. Mary's church, in Barton, Devon. He married Ann Towell 14 July 1833 in St. Mary's church, Exeter. I have no further information on Ann Towell, and wondered in your searchings, if you have run across any Towells. I love lurking on this list and seeing all the things you all find, and hoping someday one of my names will pop up. Tuckett, Vanstone, Towell. Thanks for your time, Marianne Hansen, Idaho, USA