There's a Chilla near Halwill Junction as well Jon -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Roy E Drew Sent: 03 February 2014 17:53 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns I have the marriage certificate for: Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge & James Luxton. Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? Roy ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joy That throws the cat amongst the pidgeons and now brings Hugh in 1841 (age 11) with Francis and Ann back into play. Maybe he is Grandson, after all. Something to work on. Many thanks Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns Hi Roy, There is a burial at Black Torrington 30 oct 1826 of Hugh JOHNS age 5 which I think is the one born 1820. Joy ________________________________ From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014, 11:16 Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns Many thanks to Andy Nelson, Liz Davdson, Bev Edmonds & Tim for their responses. Andy, yes I found the marriage for HDV to Sarah Brayley/Brealy and subsequent children from their marriage. Tim, I've ruled out Hugh's parents as Francis & Ann (nee Risdon). There is a Baptism on IGI for him of 15 September 1820, Black Torrington. I believe the one I'm looking for came from Beaworthy, although there is no Baptism for him there. Bev, Yes it was a lot of names to write but, can that be a reason to make a mistake. Thanks to everyone, one day something will surface. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Roy, > Normally I would suggest that if Father's name different on MC then > he would of been illegitimate. > But the only Hugh Johns that I can see on 1841/1851 Census who would be > of right age and POB is a Hugh Johns son of Francis and Ann. > Black Torrington given as his POB and born abt 1830. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 03/02/2014 17:52, Roy E Drew wrote: >> I have the marriage certificate for: >> Hugh David Vallance Johns& Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November >> 1856, Halwill PC by Banns >> >> HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was >> David Vallance, Farmer >> Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father >> James Wooldridge, Labourer >> Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge& James Luxton. >> >> Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. >> Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from >> Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. >> >> Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is >> with her Grandparents James& Susanna in 1861 census. >> >> Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age >> 29, Widower, born Beaworthy >> Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah >> (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he >> married in 1856? >> Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? >> Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? >> >> Roy >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Surely the Hugh JOHNS baptised 1820 would have been 31 in 1851?  If the age of 29 in 1861 is correct that is a birth date of c1832.   Joy  ________________________________ From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014, 11:24 Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns Joy, many thanks for your reply and thinking Hugh could be a Gransdson! Something I hadn't thought of. A closer look at the 1851 census and I believe Hugh was 21! so ties in nicely with a Baptism in Black Torrington, 15 September 1820. Roy > > There are OPCs for Black Torrington and Beaworthy. > > Joy > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:52 > Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > > > I have the marriage certificate for: > Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November > 1856, Halwill PC by Banns > > HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was > David > Vallance, Farmer > Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father > James > Wooldridge, Labourer > Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge > & James Luxton. > > Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. > Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from > Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. > > Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is > with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. > > Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, > Widower, born Beaworthy > Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah > (Brayley/Brealy) > born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. > > Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he > married in 1856? > Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? > Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? > > Roy > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Roy,   There is a burial at Black Torrington 30 oct 1826 of Hugh JOHNS age 5 which I think is the one born 1820.    Joy ________________________________ From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014, 11:16 Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns Many thanks to Andy Nelson, Liz Davdson, Bev Edmonds & Tim for their responses. Andy, yes I found the marriage for HDV to Sarah Brayley/Brealy and subsequent children from their marriage. Tim, I've ruled out Hugh's parents as Francis & Ann (nee Risdon). There is a Baptism on IGI for him of 15 September 1820, Black Torrington. I believe the one I'm looking for came from Beaworthy, although there is no Baptism for him there. Bev, Yes it was a lot of names to write but, can that be a reason to make a mistake. Thanks to everyone, one day something will surface. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Roy, >    Normally I would suggest that if Father's name different on MC then > he would of been illegitimate. > But the only Hugh Johns that I can see on 1841/1851 Census who would be > of right age and POB is a Hugh Johns son of Francis and Ann. > Black Torrington given as his POB and born abt 1830. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 03/02/2014 17:52, Roy E Drew wrote: >> I have the marriage certificate for: >> Hugh David Vallance Johns&  Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November >> 1856, Halwill PC by Banns >> >> HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was >> David Vallance, Farmer >> Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father >> James Wooldridge, Labourer >> Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge&  James Luxton. >> >> Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. >> Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from >> Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. >> >> Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is >> with her Grandparents James&  Susanna in 1861 census. >> >> Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age >> 29, Widower, born Beaworthy >> Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah >> (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he >> married in 1856? >> Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? >> Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? >> >> Roy >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joy, many thanks for your reply and thinking Hugh could be a Gransdson! Something I hadn't thought of. A closer look at the 1851 census and I believe Hugh was 21! so ties in nicely with a Baptism in Black Torrington, 15 September 1820. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:59 AM Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Joy, Hugh Johns , aged 2, labourer, with mother Anney > aged 74........hmmm????? > > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:09 AM > Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > > > On the 1851 census there is a Hugh Johns aged 2, born Black Torrington, > Labourer, living at Village, Black Torrington with mother Anney aged 74, > Cordwinder's widow and sister Elizabeth aged 55 born Black Torrington and > brother Joseph aged 30 born Beaworthy. > > In 1841 the same children are with mother Ann and father Francis. Ann > would > have been in her early 50s at Hugh's birth, not impossible but I wonder if > Hugh was actually a grandson - illegitimate children were sometimes > brought > up as their grandparent's children. Hugh is a name that appeared in this > family (see below). There are several David Vallances in the 1841 census. > They seem to be located in the Northlew area so that may be a place to > look > for a baptism. > > Francis Johns married Ann Risdon at Black Torrington 30 Mar 1800. > > Francis and Ann baptised the following children in Black Torrington: > Francis Risdon Johns 24 Jun 1815 > John Johns 03 Mar 1817 > Hugh Johns 15 Sep 1820 (buried 1826) > Joseph Johns 30 Mar 1823 > > The long gap between the marriage and the baptism of Francis in 1815 > suggests they may have been baptising children somewhere else before then. > > A single mother Ann Johns baptised a son John Francis Johns at Black > Torrington 17 Sep 1834 (buried 1836). > > There are OPCs for Black Torrington and Beaworthy. > > Joy > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:52 > Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > > > I have the marriage certificate for: > Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November > 1856, Halwill PC by Banns > > HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was > David > Vallance, Farmer > Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father > James > Wooldridge, Labourer > Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge > & James Luxton. > > Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. > Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from > Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. > > Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is > with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. > > Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, > Widower, born Beaworthy > Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah > (Brayley/Brealy) > born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. > > Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he > married in 1856? > Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? > Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? > > Roy > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, mistype - 22 in 1851, 2 in 1841.   Joy ________________________________ From: elizabeth howard <elizgh@btinternet.com> To: Joy Langdon <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com>; devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 4 February 2014, 10:59 Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns               Hi Joy,  Hugh Johns , aged 2, labourer, with mother Anney aged 74........hmmm????? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns On the 1851 census there is a Hugh Johns aged 2, born Black Torrington, Labourer, living at Village, Black Torrington with mother Anney aged 74, Cordwinder's widow and sister Elizabeth aged 55 born Black Torrington and brother Joseph aged 30 born Beaworthy. In 1841 the same children are with mother Ann and father Francis. Ann would have been in her early 50s at Hugh's birth, not impossible but I wonder if Hugh was actually a grandson - illegitimate children were sometimes brought up as their grandparent's children. Hugh is a name that appeared in this family (see below). There are several David Vallances in the 1841 census. They seem to be located in the Northlew area so that may be a place to look for a baptism. Francis Johns married Ann Risdon at Black Torrington 30 Mar 1800. Francis and Ann baptised the following children in Black Torrington: Francis Risdon Johns 24 Jun 1815 John Johns 03 Mar 1817 Hugh Johns 15 Sep 1820 (buried 1826) Joseph Johns 30 Mar 1823 The long gap between the marriage and the baptism of Francis in 1815 suggests they may have been baptising children somewhere else before then. A single mother Ann Johns baptised a son John Francis Johns at Black Torrington 17 Sep 1834 (buried 1836). There are OPCs for Black Torrington and Beaworthy. Joy ________________________________ From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:52 Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns I have the marriage certificate for: Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge & James Luxton. Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? Roy ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many thanks to Andy Nelson, Liz Davdson, Bev Edmonds & Tim for their responses. Andy, yes I found the marriage for HDV to Sarah Brayley/Brealy and subsequent children from their marriage. Tim, I've ruled out Hugh's parents as Francis & Ann (nee Risdon). There is a Baptism on IGI for him of 15 September 1820, Black Torrington. I believe the one I'm looking for came from Beaworthy, although there is no Baptism for him there. Bev, Yes it was a lot of names to write but, can that be a reason to make a mistake. Thanks to everyone, one day something will surface. Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <genealogy@ttenterprises.co.uk> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Roy, > Normally I would suggest that if Father's name different on MC then > he would of been illegitimate. > But the only Hugh Johns that I can see on 1841/1851 Census who would be > of right age and POB is a Hugh Johns son of Francis and Ann. > Black Torrington given as his POB and born abt 1830. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > On 03/02/2014 17:52, Roy E Drew wrote: >> I have the marriage certificate for: >> Hugh David Vallance Johns& Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November >> 1856, Halwill PC by Banns >> >> HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was >> David Vallance, Farmer >> Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father >> James Wooldridge, Labourer >> Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge& James Luxton. >> >> Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. >> Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from >> Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. >> >> Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is >> with her Grandparents James& Susanna in 1861 census. >> >> Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age >> 29, Widower, born Beaworthy >> Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah >> (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. >> >> Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he >> married in 1856? >> Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? >> Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? >> >> Roy >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Joy, Hugh Johns , aged 2, labourer, with mother Anney aged 74........hmmm????? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joy Langdon" <joy.langdon@btopenworld.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns On the 1851 census there is a Hugh Johns aged 2, born Black Torrington, Labourer, living at Village, Black Torrington with mother Anney aged 74, Cordwinder's widow and sister Elizabeth aged 55 born Black Torrington and brother Joseph aged 30 born Beaworthy. In 1841 the same children are with mother Ann and father Francis. Ann would have been in her early 50s at Hugh's birth, not impossible but I wonder if Hugh was actually a grandson - illegitimate children were sometimes brought up as their grandparent's children. Hugh is a name that appeared in this family (see below). There are several David Vallances in the 1841 census. They seem to be located in the Northlew area so that may be a place to look for a baptism. Francis Johns married Ann Risdon at Black Torrington 30 Mar 1800. Francis and Ann baptised the following children in Black Torrington: Francis Risdon Johns 24 Jun 1815 John Johns 03 Mar 1817 Hugh Johns 15 Sep 1820 (buried 1826) Joseph Johns 30 Mar 1823 The long gap between the marriage and the baptism of Francis in 1815 suggests they may have been baptising children somewhere else before then. A single mother Ann Johns baptised a son John Francis Johns at Black Torrington 17 Sep 1834 (buried 1836). There are OPCs for Black Torrington and Beaworthy. Joy ________________________________ From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:52 Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns I have the marriage certificate for: Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge & James Luxton. Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? Roy ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am conducting a one-name study of the PLESTER surname, the website for which is: www.plester.info By the early 19th century, the largest number of Plesters were to be found around the OXF / NTH / WAR borders with a much smaller group in London. However, I have encountered the name in Devon and other southern and western counties (although rarely) and, with a name this rare, I'm inclined to think there is a common root somewhere. So if you have PLESTER anywhere in your family tree, or if you have any knowledge or information of any sort about the surname, I would love to hear from you. Regards, John Plester

Hi Elizabeth, Yes the licence survives, I have a photocopy. There is nothing on it that gives a clue to Susanna except they are both OTP. They were married on the 25th May and 1st child baptised 17th June at Ottery St Mary. I did the usual 10 miles radius sweep at the DRO Years ago, both of Otterton and Plymtree - nothing. It is possible her parents were a John and Elizabeth, going by naming pattern, there is no sign of them either. I am not desperate to find her as I got bored with them eons ago but thought as there are new people with access to PR's!! -----Original Message----- From: devon-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:devon-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of elizabeth howard Sent: 03 February 2014 17:03 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] SUSANNA HAMMETT Hi Roz, if you can`t find her - no one can !!! but does licence suggest underage to you , perhaps she was only 15/16 , hence the need to go back "home" to Ottery ? could she in fact be born c 1740-2 . does the licence survive ? life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roz Hickman" <RozMH@talktalk.net> To: <Devon-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 9:40 AM Subject: [DEV] SUSANNA HAMMETT > The baptism of Susanna has eluded me for 30+ years. > > > > She would have been born circa 1734. > > She married by licence in 1757 at Otterton the register states OTP, she > was > also heavily pregnant. > > Her daughter was baptised at Ottery St Mary some three weeks later. This > is > a town some 6-8 miles away. I surmise she went there to relatives to have > her baby. > > > > Her Husband, my 8xGrandfather, had not long bought a farm in Otterton. He > had not been in residence long and I wonder if Susanna had come to > Otterton > with him or had been employed by him, maybe as a housekeeper. > > > > William had been born in Plymtree in 1734. > > > > Has anyone any sign of a Hammett family this side of Devon? > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3684/7058 - Release Date: 02/03/14

On the 1851 census there is a Hugh Johns aged 2, born Black Torrington, Labourer, living at Village,  Black Torrington with mother Anney aged 74, Cordwinder's widow and sister Elizabeth aged 55 born Black Torrington and brother Joseph aged 30 born Beaworthy.    In 1841 the same children are with mother Ann and father Francis.   Ann would have been in her early 50s at Hugh's birth, not impossible but I wonder if Hugh was actually a grandson  - illegitimate children were sometimes brought up as their grandparent's children.   Hugh is a name that appeared in this family (see below).  There are several David Vallances in the 1841 census.  They seem to be located in the Northlew area so that may be a place to look for a baptism.   Francis Johns married Ann Risdon at Black Torrington 30 Mar 1800.   Francis and Ann baptised the following children in Black Torrington: Francis Risdon Johns 24 Jun 1815 John Johns 03 Mar 1817 Hugh Johns 15 Sep 1820 (buried 1826) Joseph Johns 30 Mar 1823   The long gap between the marriage and the baptism of Francis in 1815 suggests they may have been baptising children somewhere else before then.    A single mother Ann Johns baptised a son John Francis Johns at Black Torrington 17 Sep 1834 (buried 1836).   There are OPCs for Black Torrington and Beaworthy.   Joy   ________________________________ From: Roy E Drew <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 17:52 Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns I have the marriage certificate for: Hugh David Vallance Johns & Susannah Wooldridge, who married 7 November 1856, Halwill PC by Banns HDV Johns was of Full Age, Bachelor, Labourer, of Chillah, Father was David Vallance, Farmer Susannah Wooldridge was of Full Age, Spinster, of Halwill Moor, Father James Wooldridge, Labourer Witnesses were Grace Wooldridge & James Luxton. Chillah I believe is a place in Black Torrington. Susanna was the daughter of James Wooldridge and Susanna Evely from Northlew. I know about the Evely's and have them in various census. Hugh and Susanna had a daughter Harriet Ann Johns (1857, Halwill) who is with her Grandparents James & Susanna in 1861 census. Hugh is in 1861 Census at Strews Upcott, Halwill (RG9/1509 F56 P6) age 29, Widower, born Beaworthy Hugh is in 1871/1881/1891/1901 where he is married to Sarah (Brayley/Brealy) born ca 1845, Sydenham Damerall and family. Does anyone know where I can find Hugh and any of his family before he married in 1856? Who were Hugh's parents and in particular his mother? Why does he give his name as Johns and his father as Vallance? Roy ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

For any Newbies who need a hand with so many websites and from time to time I need a reminder of them as well. http://www.interment.net/ http://www.deceasedonline.com/ http://www.devonheritage.org/FrameMain_ParishRecords.htm This link is great also http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ Which leads to Ancestry and UK, Prison Hulk Registers and Letter Books, 1802-1849 Lots of people from all over England made their way to Jamaica, I have found whole families here with links to my research, hopefully you will too. https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Jamaica_Church_of_England_Parish_Register_Transcripts_%28FamilySearch_Historical_Records%29#Search_the_Collection If you scroll right down to Citing FamilySearch Historical Collections Click on this link and search each collection. If anyone else has any great links, especially cemetery/burials could they please post them. Bev

Thanks Ed. Yes there's plenty of material available for William Vallance WHITEWAY because of his illustrious career. I have just checked the DFHS marriage printout and found the marriage of Thomas WHITEWAY and Elizabeth VALLANCE in Wolborough in 1812 and it says there are notes so I'll need to check the parish registers when I can get to the DRO to see if there's anything helpful there. I wonder if Elizabeth had a sister who also used their maiden name for some of her children and that Hugh was one of them. Regards Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "edbar" <edbar@nl.rogers.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 12:52 AM Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > Hi Liz. > This online Canadian Biography source does state that his parents were > Thomas Whiteway and Elizabeth Vallance. but I did not see a source quoted > for that information. > http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/whiteway_william_vallance_13E.html > Regards > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Liz Davidson > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:56 PM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > > I don't know that it will shed any light but I have 2 members of a > WHITEWAY > family with Vallance/Valance as a middle name - Christopher Vallance > Whiteway bap 1819 and William Valance Whiteway bap 1828 in Littlehempston, > among the children of Thomas and Elizabeth Whiteway. William eventually > became prime minister of Newfoundland. I've assumed that Vallance was > their > mother's maiden name though I haven't found that marriage yet. > > Regards > Liz Davidson > Suffolk UK > GOONS no 5166 > WHITEWAY ONS > DFHS no 14023 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roy E Drew" <r.drew893@btinternet.com> > To: <devon@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 5:52 PM > Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

My interest in Pirates etc has to do with a Mathew EDMONDS who is recorded as a Spanish Prisoner. My thoughts are that this Mathew was from Cornwall, and of course I wonder how he became a Spanish Prisoner in Totnes. It is a shame that not a lot of names are mentioned in the links that Joy has sent through. As for the name PASCO 13 Jan 1617 James HOLLAND married Pascow REEDE Tavistock 8 Aug 1663 John Palmer married Pascow Bruene Tavistock 5 Aug 1732 Hercules Pascow married Elizabeth Libby Tavistock In 1616 a Pasco ROE chr. a daughter Agnes 1618 James and Pascow HOLLAND s and d of James was chr. 1626 Pascow CAUNTER s/o William Then there is Pascho which I think could be another form of PASCO As you mention, a lot of this name around. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "David L. Langenberg" <gallienus@mac.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 7:34 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery - Pasco FOOTE > Bev, > > Quite an interesting document. Thanks for transcribing it and making it > available on GENUKI. I wonder what the impetus for the list was? > > And your comments about "so many names jump out at one" and "son of Pasco" > caught my attention, because the name PASCO seems to occur in Cornwall and > Devon but rarely elsewhere, at least in the 17th century. In my recent > research in the Tavistock land tax records, I encountered it as a > Christian name. The spouse of my 8G Grandaunt was Pasco FOOTE, Jr., a > mariner in the Newfoundland trade, 1678; he was the son of Pasco FOOTE, > Sr., of Salem, Massachusetts, who died 1671. I'd bet dollars to donuts > that his origins are in Cornwall or Devon. A later Pasco FOOT and Martha > CARTER were married at Topsham, Devon in 1698, and two of their children > (Robert, 1704 and Mary, 1706) were baptized at Topsham. > > David Langenberg > Newark, Delaware, USA > > On Feb 3, 2014, at 3:33 PM, B. Edmonds wrote: > >> This is a wonderful bit of work with thanks to Thomas COLE and to Ed for >> bringing this web-site to our attention. >> >> I notice Edward EDMONDS signed the petition. >> >> On the subject of Pirates, about 4-6 weeks ago this was mentioned on the >> List and interest was shown by me in Mary NOWELL whose son Michael >> SAUNDERS >> was taken by Pirates. >> >> I have since ordered her Doc from the DRO [out of interest only] and it >> arrived on the 28th Jan, I have since transcribed the Doc and sent it to >> Brian for Genuki but am not sure if it has been added to Genuki yet, as I >> know he has been busy. I hope to be able to see if any of Thomas COLE'S >> men >> are named in the Maimed Soldiers page [which covers Pirates] >> at >> http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/CourtRecords/QS128.html >> >> The Thomas FAGOE/JAGOE [ whose marriage I sent to the List as a stray] is >> I >> think mentioned and could be the son of Pasco. >> >> Marvelous how all of a sudden so many names jump out at one with names >> recently mentioned. >> >> Bev >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "edbar" <edbar@nl.rogers.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:03 AM >> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery >> >>> Hi Gion >>> Here is a URL to a petition (on a Newfoundland genealogy website) about >>> "Turkish Pirates" activity. It was signed by about 1000 people from >>> Devon >>> who were probably somehow active in the Newfoundland fishery c. 1642. It >>> seems to have been circulated and signed before they left Devon for the >>> fishing season. It appears that the submitter, Thomas Cole, has done >>> some >>> research to identify where in Devon these people came from. >>> >>> http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cole-Documents/dartmouth-harbour-gathering-1642.shtml >>> >>> Regards >>> Ed Barbour >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Gion Tobac >>> Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:05 AM >>> To: devon@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] Greenfield LARRABEE >>> >>> Staplehill >>> I would consider Staplehill's ship as a priority study; it will perhaps >>> suggest Devon as Larrabee's roots. It is well known that Aldred (not >>> Alfred) >>> Staplehill was involved in the Newfoundland trade out of Dartmouth by >>> 1641/42 and perhaps long before that date. In 1641 I am not certain if >>> this >>> is Aldred Sr or Jr and it is just a jaunt down the coast from >>> Newfoundland >>> to Barbados or to New England. Aldred Sr seems to have been born in >>> 1580 >>> at >>> Exeter, son of Gilbert, and Aldred Jr was born in Dartmouth. Alexander >>> Staplehill, Sr and Jr were also involved in Newfoundland adventures >>> c1642 >>> likewise Gilbert Jr., 2 named John, 2 named Thomas all out of Dartmouth. >>> They were no strangers in the New World. in St Saviour's Church, at >>> Dartmouth, there is a brass effigy of Gilbart Staplehiil, once Mayor of >>> the >>> town. He died 15th February, 1637. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in >>> the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6553 - Release Date: >>> 02/02/14 >>> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6557 - Release Date: 02/03/14 >

This is a wonderful bit of work with thanks to Thomas COLE and to Ed for bringing this web-site to our attention. I notice Edward EDMONDS signed the petition. On the subject of Pirates, about 4-6 weeks ago this was mentioned on the List and interest was shown by me in Mary NOWELL whose son Michael SAUNDERS was taken by Pirates. I have since ordered her Doc from the DRO [out of interest only] and it arrived on the 28th Jan, I have since transcribed the Doc and sent it to Brian for Genuki but am not sure if it has been added to Genuki yet, as I know he has been busy. I hope to be able to see if any of Thomas COLE'S men are named in the Maimed Soldiers page [which covers Pirates] at http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/CourtRecords/QS128.html The Thomas FAGOE/JAGOE [ whose marriage I sent to the List as a stray] is I think mentioned and could be the son of Pasco. Marvelous how all of a sudden so many names jump out at one with names recently mentioned. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "edbar" <edbar@nl.rogers.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 1:03 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] Devon petition re Pirate activity - Newfoundland fishery > Hi Gion > Here is a URL to a petition (on a Newfoundland genealogy website) about > "Turkish Pirates" activity. It was signed by about 1000 people from Devon > who were probably somehow active in the Newfoundland fishery c. 1642. It > seems to have been circulated and signed before they left Devon for the > fishing season. It appears that the submitter, Thomas Cole, has done some > research to identify where in Devon these people came from. > > http://ngb.chebucto.org/Cole-Documents/dartmouth-harbour-gathering-1642.shtml > > Regards > Ed Barbour > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gion Tobac > Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 12:05 AM > To: devon@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [DEV] Greenfield LARRABEE > > Staplehill > I would consider Staplehill's ship as a priority study; it will perhaps > suggest Devon as Larrabee's roots. It is well known that Aldred (not > Alfred) > Staplehill was involved in the Newfoundland trade out of Dartmouth by > 1641/42 and perhaps long before that date. In 1641 I am not certain if > this > is Aldred Sr or Jr and it is just a jaunt down the coast from Newfoundland > to Barbados or to New England. Aldred Sr seems to have been born in 1580 > at > Exeter, son of Gilbert, and Aldred Jr was born in Dartmouth. Alexander > Staplehill, Sr and Jr were also involved in Newfoundland adventures c1642 > likewise Gilbert Jr., 2 named John, 2 named Thomas all out of Dartmouth. > They were no strangers in the New World. in St Saviour's Church, at > Dartmouth, there is a brass effigy of Gilbart Staplehiil, once Mayor of > the > town. He died 15th February, 1637. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6553 - Release Date: 02/02/14 >

Thank you Elizabeth, I was going to try to find him LDS today, I am rather interested in finding Margaret mostly given that she was the EDMONDS. They may have immigrated. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "elizabeth howard" <elizgh@btinternet.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 2:29 AM To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Subject: [DEV] William Thomas HODGE c 1812 > Hi Bev, I have been trying to get back to Wm Hodge, RM , > for some time !!! I don`t think I have necessarily found him but on > Discovery there is a William Hodge, b June 1816, at Devonport "Hampshire". > who had served since 1832 . ADM 139/24/2366. But I think you can > discount him as he I think appears on the 1861 as yeoman of storerooms , > unm, 46 . Sadly Hodge is not the rarest of names !!! can`t > immediately > find Peggy/Margaret or Eliza or Wm Thomas junr. > > > > life is hard . soften it with a cat \\\=^..^=/// > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "B. Edmonds" <beverley@yourisp.com.au> > To: <DEVON@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 6:47 AM > Subject: [DEV] William Thomas HODGE c 1812 > > >> Afternoon, >> >> Another family who seems to have gone walkabout is the following one. >> >> William Thomas HODGE married Margaret [Peggy] EDMONDS 17 Feb 1835 at St >> George East Stonehouse >> >> As far as I can ascertain they had children >> Eliza Mary 1835 >> William Thomas 1839 >> Both born at Stonehouse >> >> The father's occupation in 1835 was Private in the Royal Marines at East >> Stonehouse. >> >> Does the above ring any bells with anyone, where did they go and what >> happened to Margaret [Peggy] and the children? >> >> Bev >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2247 / Virus Database: 3684/6553 - Release Date: 02/02/14 >

On 4 Feb 2014 at 9:07, B. Edmonds wrote: > For any Newbies who need a hand with so many websites and from time to time I > need a reminder of them as well. > > http://www.interment.net/ > > http://www.deceasedonline.com/ You could possibly add these two: http://www.billiongraves.com/ http://www.findagrave.com/ -- Steve Hayes E-mail: shayes@dunelm.org.uk Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com Web: http://www.khanya.org.za/stevesig.htm Phone: 083-342-3563 or 012-333-6727 Fax: 086-548-2525

The term Sallyman is a reference to the pirates coming from the port of Sale, Morocco. _______First I heard of this but Interesting, I wonder if Sallymen was a corruption of one of the great Turkish leaders name "Suleiman the Great", leader of the Ottoman Empire?

Samuel WORDEN was baptised 05 Jun 1796 at Kelly near Tavistock, son of John WORDEN and Elizabeth COLLEN (a name which can also be spelt as COLLING).  He was buried at Lamerton 22 Dec 1823 aged 26.  He is my 3 x great uncle.  As Grace was a young widow she possibly remarried but I haven't found a marriage or death.   I also have a YEO connection but not to this particular William.  However, I can tell you that he and Grace emigrated to Canada in 1846: http://www.yeosociety.com/familypages/Richardsoperyeo.htm   I think Soper may be Grace's mother's surname.  There is a marriage indexed on FreeBMD Holsworthy Dec 1837 John ROCKEY and Betsy SOPER.  Holsworthy is the district for Broadwoodwidger.   Joy ________________________________ From: David L. Langenberg <gallienus@mac.com> To: devon@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 3 February 2014, 19:49 Subject: [DEV] ROCKEY - SOPER - DAVEY of Broadwoodwidger - COLLING - ARSCOTT - ACKFORD - WORDEN - YEO - BAILEY My Deanery of Tavistock CD from the DFHS arrived today and I have been trying to find more information on Grace Soper ROCKEY, d/o John and Betsey ROCKEY, of Nethercott, Broadwoodwidger, who was baptized there on 23 June 1839.  Grace SOPER, aged 44 (hence born about 1787), was buried at Broadwoodwidger on 10 October 1831.  I don't know whether she was single or married.  I wonder whether she could be the person for whom Grace Soper ROCKEY was named.  If Grace SOPER were single when she died, I wonder whether she might be a daughter of John SOPER and Grace DAVEY, who were married at Broadwoodwidger on 17 February 1764.  Another possibility is that Grace Soper ROCKEY is named for Grace (Bailey) SOPER: Edward SOPER and Grace BAILEY were married 25 March 1811, at Broadwoodwidger. There are other persons named Grace SOPER on the CD: One married  William COLLING in Tavistock on 18 September 1772; another married John ARSCOTT in Milton Abbot on 6 May 1817;  a third married James ACKFORD in Sourton on 12 October 1818;  a fourth married.Samuel WORDEN in Lamerton on 2 July 1821; and a fifth married William YEO, 30 March 1836, In Broadwoodwidger.  David Langenberg Newark, Delaware, USA ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon ( http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/ ) and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DEVON/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEVON-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Liz. This online Canadian Biography source does state that his parents were Thomas Whiteway and Elizabeth Vallance. but I did not see a source quoted for that information. http://www.biographi.ca/en/bio/whiteway_william_vallance_13E.html Regards Ed -----Original Message----- From: Liz Davidson Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 3:56 PM To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns I don't know that it will shed any light but I have 2 members of a WHITEWAY family with Vallance/Valance as a middle name - Christopher Vallance Whiteway bap 1819 and William Valance Whiteway bap 1828 in Littlehempston, among the children of Thomas and Elizabeth Whiteway. William eventually became prime minister of Newfoundland. I've assumed that Vallance was their mother's maiden name though I haven't found that marriage yet. Regards Liz Davidson Suffolk UK GOONS no 5166 WHITEWAY ONS DFHS no 14023 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roy E Drew" <r.drew893@btinternet.com> To: <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 5:52 PM Subject: [DEV] Hugh David Vallance Johns