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Morning, I have just come across this entry. Not my family. Richard CROSS and Susanna ALAND otp married at Chippenham, by Licence, Wiltshire 16 July 1785. Richard is from Duryard, Devon According to Wikipedia Duryard is an ancient area of Exeter in Devon, England. Duryard was once the hunting land of the Anglo-Saxon kings. I had never heard of this place before this. Hope he belongs to someone. Regards Bev

Hi: I received a message via my Plympton St Maurice page from Michael Rowse. The email address that accompanied it is inoperative. I’d be grateful if Michael would email me directly. Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Hi Margaret According to a transcription provided to FMP by the DFHS a John PRATER married an Elizabeth DESTING on the 9 November 1810 at Egg Buckland. Could be his parents found in the 1841 census below? There is also a baptism on FMP for a John PRATER on the 22 February 1818 at Bickleigh Parish (near Plymouth) parents were John (a laborer) & Elizabeth of Egg Buckland. I didn't find any other baptisms for PRATERs at Bickleigh but there are others at Egg Buckland. Also on FMP John PRATER was apprenticed on 2nd February 1830, aged 12 years, (son of) John & Elizabeth PRATER of Egg Buckland to Thomas BRIGGS, yeoman of Egg Buckland till 21 years of age. Best regards Mike Sent from my iPhone > On 2 May 2016, at 11:42, Lawrence Pearse via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Margaret > > > Firstly, according to FreeBMD John Prater married Elizabeth Meers in 1844 rather than the 1864 which you put in your email. > > > John (aged 31) and Elizabeth are to be found in 1851 in Egg Buckland, Plympton St Mary, together with 3 children. > > > And in 1841 John (aged 20) is also in Egg Buckland, together with his father John (aged "50"), an ag lab, and mother Elizabeth (aged "55"), and siblings William ("15") and Elizabeth (10). All of them were born in Devon. The mother probably died in 1849. The father was a widower and a labourer in Granby Street, Plymouth in 1851, born in Plympton; he probably died in 1864, so you should also find the father in the 1861 census. > > > I haven't looked, but you might be able to trace all the births through Family Search. And you should be able to find John junior and his siblings in other censuses and/or in FreeBMD (marriage, death). > > > Regards > > > Lawrence > > >> Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 14:02:02 +1000 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [DEV] PRATER >> From: [email protected] >> >> Hi All, >> I am looking for some help on information on my Ancestor John Prater >> according to his marriage Certificate he was full Age and his Fathers name >> was John Prater >> know he married Elizabeth Meers/Mears in 1864 in Stoke Demerel. >> I would like more information on Johns parents who was his father John >> married to??? >> How many siblings did he have? >> Hoping someone can help me >> Regards >> Margaret >> Australia >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I am looking for some help on information on my Ancestor John Prater according to his marriage Certificate he was full Age and his Fathers name was John Prater know he married Elizabeth Meers/Mears in 1864 in Stoke Demerel. I would like more information on Johns parents who was his father John married to??? How many siblings did he have? Hoping someone can help me Regards Margaret Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Margaret Firstly, according to FreeBMD John Prater married Elizabeth Meers in 1844 rather than the 1864 which you put in your email. John (aged 31) and Elizabeth are to be found in 1851 in Egg Buckland, Plympton St Mary, together with 3 children. And in 1841 John (aged 20) is also in Egg Buckland, together with his father John (aged "50"), an ag lab, and mother Elizabeth (aged "55"), and siblings William ("15") and Elizabeth (10). All of them were born in Devon. The mother probably died in 1849. The father was a widower and a labourer in Granby Street, Plymouth in 1851, born in Plympton; he probably died in 1864, so you should also find the father in the 1861 census. I haven't looked, but you might be able to trace all the births through Family Search. And you should be able to find John junior and his siblings in other censuses and/or in FreeBMD (marriage, death). Regards Lawrence > Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 14:02:02 +1000 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] PRATER > From: [email protected] > > Hi All, > I am looking for some help on information on my Ancestor John Prater > according to his marriage Certificate he was full Age and his Fathers name > was John Prater > know he married Elizabeth Meers/Mears in 1864 in Stoke Demerel. > I would like more information on Johns parents who was his father John > married to??? > How many siblings did he have? > Hoping someone can help me > Regards > Margaret > Australia > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry Bev, Can't place this person in my EDMONDS tree, at this time anyway. cheers, Diane Foster (nee CULLING) On Sun, May 1, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Beverley Edmonds via <[email protected]> wrote: > Afternoon, > > I wonder if anyone will be within a record office this week [or next] > and be able to take a look at this for me please. > > All I have is the following > > Francis Edmonds bapt 20 Dec 1818 Morice Square Devonport [Non-Conformist] > > No parents given. But I am wondering if I missed something somewhere. I > do not seem to be able to find this on Familysearch, which is where I > usually pick up this sort of thing. > > I am wondering if I made a mistake somewhere along the line. > > Thanks to anyone game enough to check this out. > Regards > Bev Edmonds > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Mick: The What’s New page (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/DevonMisc/WhatsNew) lists all the major additions to GENUKI/Devon since 2004, when I first started providing a monthly listing. Though there is quite a lot of information on the Moretonhampstead page (http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Moretonhampstead) already I’d be delighted if you were able to augment it - or any other parish pages for that matter. Our GENUKI Help Wanted pages (at http://www.genuki.org.uk/org/helpus) contain lots of suggestions as to the sorts of material we are seeking, and how to go about finding it. (GENUKI/Devon started in in 1995 - at that time relatively little information was available online. Now ever more online information is available, so online searches, e.g. of Google, or Hathitrust (http://www.hathitrust.org) are very likely to reveal further information that could usefully be added. For GENUKI/Devon, I’m particularly keen on receiving transcripts of interesting primary documents (e.g. held in the Devon record offices), especially ones containing lots of names, and also wills, diaries, early newspaper articles, etc. However, GENUKI does not accept summary information about people’s research (such as GEDCOM files), there being plenty of websites elsewhere that accepts such material, but articles about one’s ancestors and their lives and surroundings that contain information of general interest are certainly welcome. Needless to say, this invitation applies to all Devon genealogists! Cheers Brian Randell 2 May 2016, at 02:47, mick <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, 1 May 2016 21:05:19 +0000 > Brian Randell via <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi: >> >> April 2016 >> >> Major additions: > > I've been on the list for a few years, been through the site and watched these update notices but have not noticed any that I recognised as pertaining to Moretonhampstead, my area of interest. > > Am I missing notices or have there not been any, if the later is it from a lack of someone interested enough to dig them out or have all the sources already been mined before my joining. > > If it is a lack of bodies to do the mining I could devote some of my time to the task after I receive some hints to get me started digging. > > mick in glen innes -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

On Sun, 1 May 2016 21:05:19 +0000 Brian Randell via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi: > > April 2016 > > Major additions: I've been on the list for a few years, been through the site and watched these update notices but have not noticed any that I recognised as pertaining to Moretonhampstead, my area of interest. Am I missing notices or have there not been any, if the later is it from a lack of someone interested enough to dig them out or have all the sources already been mined before my joining. If it is a lack of bodies to do the mining I could devote some of my time to the task after I receive some hints to get me started digging. mick in glen innes

Hi: April 2016 Major additions: * Devon - Court Records: Inquests Taken into Suspicious or Unexplained Deaths for 1885-1894 (in North Devon Journal) - transcript * Bideford: Licensed Victuallers (1728-1749) - transcript * Northam: Will of Mary Wickham (1830) - transcript * Northam: Northam Baptisms (1841-1854) - transcript * Northam: Property deeds relating to the Globe Inn, Appledore (1815-1924) - transcript * Northam: Property deeds relating to 46 Market Street, Appledore (1818-1959) - transcript * Topsham: Will of Elizabeth Rodd (1704) - transcript Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell

Angela, At this time the Devon surname name pool was relatively small and forenames were passed from generation to generation. It is not unusual to find villages with several families with the same surname and with children with the same forenames and roughly the same age. Families also moved around the local villages. This ensured that there was a balance in each village of the able bodied to work and males and females to ensure future generations. My own ancestors moved around the Culm valley and have examples where there are 2 or three branches of the same family with the same names and approximate ages. I also noticed that the LDS catalogue only shows the parish registers as missing but the BTs complete although not yet available as digitised images. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: ANGELA MARKS [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 28 April 2016 10:43 To: Paul Hockie; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Obviously having proof from primary sources with corroborating evidence is the best way, but sometimes in the absence of these you just have to use common sense. I have an example of this, I have a putative ancestor in Littleham, Exmouth in the 1680s and 90s, Richard Long, who had several children baptised there. Thereafter there is a gap in the registers between about 1704 and 1744. When the registers resume there are three burials with names which match those of three sons of Richard Long, so it may be assumed that the family was still there. Then there are families of a John and a William Long baptised, plus William's marriage starting in the 1740s and '50s. So the probability is that John and William were the grandchildren of Richard, though whether brothers or cousins is not provable. Although Long is a common name, I find it difficult to believe that four sons died childless and another family with the same name moved to a village which then had a population of, I beli! eve, about 600. Of course they may have been more distant kin, but the balance of probabilities is that Richard is a common ancestor. Angela in Exmouth ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 27/04/2016 - 22:42 (GMTDT) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Jan I have read Skillbuilding: Perils of Source Snobbery. As far as I can tell Mr Jones has renamed classifications such as Vital, primary and secondary into Preferred and Disclaimed. I also find the term Disdained rather condescending. What he seems to be saying is that every known source should be investigated, evaluated and compared to get to “beyond reasonable” doubt. Every source has errors and omissions so cross checking is mandatory so leave no stone unturned. Unfortunately too many records have been lost and too many believe everything is on Ancestry. This could come from any book/article on family history. The context of his newsletter seems to be Research Planning and what would be classified as hearsay by the judicial system. My experience is that most researchers start, as per the text book, with questions to all known living relatives and find there is some grain of truth in a family legend. My preferred guide to sources is Mark D Herber’s Ancestral Trails, published with the Society of Genealogists. At the end of the day and with the possible exception of DNA testing, standard of proof is a personal thing and you are only fooling yourself. There are family trees “proving” descent from Adam and Eve without the benefit of either registers of BTs. Cheers Paul From: Jan Murphy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 April 2016 04:56 To: Paul Hockie; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Here's the link to the article I mentioned earlier: http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/skbld135b.html Skillbuilding: Perils of Source Snobbery >From OnBoard - Newsletter of the BCG Thomas W. Jones, PhD, CG, CGL, “Perils of Source Snobbery,” OnBoard 18 (May 2012). Dr Jones is the author of Mastering Genealogical Proof: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/cs/mastering_genealogical_proof Cheers, Jan Jan Murphy [email protected] ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 26/04/2016 - 19:47 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Jan, I have not heard of Dr Tom Jones or "source snobbery". There is an accepted hierarchy of quality of genealogical data. Prime or Vital information is data recorded when the event took place. Civil registration and Parish Registers are in this category. The next tier are those transcribed or based on vital information, BTs, Census, Poor law, Military and similar records. Following this we have reported information which can include newspapers, books and even family legends. With regards to BTs, they were a lists of BDMs sent to the bishop once a year just after Easter until 1813 when they changed to the calendar year. There were exemptions, omissions and late submissions and completion may be rushed. There are examples of the transcript correcting an entry but the presumption is that the register is correct and that the BT is a "back-up" copy. I don't think I said "reject BTs out of hand" . What I intended to say was that if only the BT exists, then that is the source we have to use. If the registers exist, then we should obtain a copy and, if they exist, compare with the BTs. If they exists, the Registers are, like civil registration, the "legal" entry. Cheers Paul ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Bev - Not sure where you found that Francis Edmonds - he doesn't seem to be on FS/IGI, Ancestry or FMP. GENUKI Stoke Damerel (Devonport) lists church records of Congregational, Baptist and Wesleyan (Methodist) chapels using the same or nearby premises in Morice Square and Morice Street, whereas your citation merely states Non-Conformist. Brian Randell replied to a similar previous enquiry in 2001: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DEVON/2001-02/0981150865 The DHC has a listing of microfilmed nonconformist registers that are "in reserve" so probably not immediately available to anyone who just walks in: http://www.devon.gov.uk/index/councildemocracy/record_office/our_records/devonandcornwallrecordsociety-2/devonandcornwallrecordsociety-11.htm There is a good comprehensive reply by John Pritchard to another enquiry on GENBRIT-L back in 1998, including: "... there were several non-conformist chapels in the town. Morice Square chapel was founded as an Independent (Congregationalist) chapel in 1784, but sold to the Baptists in 1799. The register, which is in the Public Record Office, contains entries for Independent baptisms between 1785 and 1794, and Baptist births between 1781 and 1806. Obviously the IGI has shown these separately. A Wesleyan Methodist chapel had been established in Morice Street as early as 1766; baptism records from 1787 to 1837 are in the PRO, and from 1839 onwards in Devon County Record Office. ... You won't, of course, find any non-conformist marriage records for this period since between 1754 and 1837 the only legal marriages (except for Quakers and Jews) were those performed by an Anglican clergyman in the Parish Church. Stoke Damerel parish registers contain an enormous number of marriages; I rather suspect that the curate was not too particular about checking details (so long as the couple paid the fee)." http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GENBRIT/1998-02/0886954967 A collateral search reveals that John appears to be an expert on copyright http://searches2.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENMTD/1997-08/0870635092 so I had better acknowledge his copyright to that extract! I am, of course, (blind) copying this to his last retrievable e-mail address. Attn: Brian Randell: Regarding the PS to your 2001 post, perhaps you could link to John Pritchard's 1998 post or, if he is still contactable, discuss incorporating his text into GENUKI, though the present availability of registers might need to be updated. Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Beverley Edmonds via Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2016 4:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Francis EDMONDS c 1818 Afternoon, I wonder if anyone will be within a record office this week [or next] and be able to take a look at this for me please. All I have is the following Francis Edmonds bapt 20 Dec 1818 Morice Square Devonport [Non-Conformist] No parents given. But I am wondering if I missed something somewhere. I do not seem to be able to find this on Familysearch, which is where I usually pick up this sort of thing. I am wondering if I made a mistake somewhere along the line. Thanks to anyone game enough to check this out. Regards Bev Edmonds ------------------------------------------

Afternoon, I wonder if anyone will be within a record office this week [or next] and be able to take a look at this for me please. All I have is the following Francis Edmonds bapt 20 Dec 1818 Morice Square Devonport [Non-Conformist] No parents given. But I am wondering if I missed something somewhere. I do not seem to be able to find this on Familysearch, which is where I usually pick up this sort of thing. I am wondering if I made a mistake somewhere along the line. Thanks to anyone game enough to check this out. Regards Bev Edmonds

Obviously having proof from primary sources with corroborating evidence is the best way, but sometimes in the absence of these you just have to use common sense. I have an example of this, I have a putative ancestor in Littleham, Exmouth in the 1680s and 90s, Richard Long, who had several children baptised there. Thereafter there is a gap in the registers between about 1704 and 1744. When the registers resume there are three burials with names which match those of three sons of Richard Long, so it may be assumed that the family was still there. Then there are families of a John and a William Long baptised, plus William's marriage starting in the 1740s and '50s. So the probability is that John and William were the grandchildren of Richard, though whether brothers or cousins is not provable. Although Long is a common name, I find it difficult to believe that four sons died childless and another family with the same name moved to a village which then had a population of, I beli! eve, about 600. Of course they may have been more distant kin, but the balance of probabilities is that Richard is a common ancestor. Angela in Exmouth ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 27/04/2016 - 22:42 (GMTDT) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Jan I have read Skillbuilding: Perils of Source Snobbery. As far as I can tell Mr Jones has renamed classifications such as Vital, primary and secondary into Preferred and Disclaimed. I also find the term Disdained rather condescending. What he seems to be saying is that every known source should be investigated, evaluated and compared to get to “beyond reasonable” doubt. Every source has errors and omissions so cross checking is mandatory so leave no stone unturned. Unfortunately too many records have been lost and too many believe everything is on Ancestry. This could come from any book/article on family history. The context of his newsletter seems to be Research Planning and what would be classified as hearsay by the judicial system. My experience is that most researchers start, as per the text book, with questions to all known living relatives and find there is some grain of truth in a family legend. My preferred guide to sources is Mark D Herber’s Ancestral Trails, published with the Society of Genealogists. At the end of the day and with the possible exception of DNA testing, standard of proof is a personal thing and you are only fooling yourself. There are family trees “proving” descent from Adam and Eve without the benefit of either registers of BTs. Cheers Paul From: Jan Murphy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 April 2016 04:56 To: Paul Hockie; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Here's the link to the article I mentioned earlier: http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/skbld135b.html Skillbuilding: Perils of Source Snobbery >From OnBoard - Newsletter of the BCG Thomas W. Jones, PhD, CG, CGL, “Perils of Source Snobbery,” OnBoard 18 (May 2012). Dr Jones is the author of Mastering Genealogical Proof: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/cs/mastering_genealogical_proof Cheers, Jan Jan Murphy [email protected] ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 26/04/2016 - 19:47 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Jan, I have not heard of Dr Tom Jones or "source snobbery". There is an accepted hierarchy of quality of genealogical data. Prime or Vital information is data recorded when the event took place. Civil registration and Parish Registers are in this category. The next tier are those transcribed or based on vital information, BTs, Census, Poor law, Military and similar records. Following this we have reported information which can include newspapers, books and even family legends. With regards to BTs, they were a lists of BDMs sent to the bishop once a year just after Easter until 1813 when they changed to the calendar year. There were exemptions, omissions and late submissions and completion may be rushed. There are examples of the transcript correcting an entry but the presumption is that the register is correct and that the BT is a "back-up" copy. I don't think I said "reject BTs out of hand" . What I intended to say was that if only the BT exists, then that is the source we have to use. If the registers exist, then we should obtain a copy and, if they exist, compare with the BTs. If they exists, the Registers are, like civil registration, the "legal" entry. Cheers Paul ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan I have read Skillbuilding: Perils of Source Snobbery. As far as I can tell Mr Jones has renamed classifications such as Vital, primary and secondary into Preferred and Disclaimed. I also find the term Disdained rather condescending. What he seems to be saying is that every known source should be investigated, evaluated and compared to get to “beyond reasonable” doubt. Every source has errors and omissions so cross checking is mandatory so leave no stone unturned. Unfortunately too many records have been lost and too many believe everything is on Ancestry. This could come from any book/article on family history. The context of his newsletter seems to be Research Planning and what would be classified as hearsay by the judicial system. My experience is that most researchers start, as per the text book, with questions to all known living relatives and find there is some grain of truth in a family legend. My preferred guide to sources is Mark D Herber’s Ancestral Trails, published with the Society of Genealogists. At the end of the day and with the possible exception of DNA testing, standard of proof is a personal thing and you are only fooling yourself. There are family trees “proving” descent from Adam and Eve without the benefit of either registers of BTs. Cheers Paul From: Jan Murphy [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 27 April 2016 04:56 To: Paul Hockie; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Here's the link to the article I mentioned earlier: http://www.bcgcertification.org/skillbuilders/skbld135b.html Skillbuilding: Perils of Source Snobbery >From OnBoard - Newsletter of the BCG Thomas W. Jones, PhD, CG, CGL, “Perils of Source Snobbery,” OnBoard 18 (May 2012). Dr Jones is the author of Mastering Genealogical Proof: http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/cs/mastering_genealogical_proof Cheers, Jan Jan Murphy [email protected] ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 26/04/2016 - 19:47 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [DEV] BTs on FamilySearch - a question and a correction Jan, I have not heard of Dr Tom Jones or "source snobbery". There is an accepted hierarchy of quality of genealogical data. Prime or Vital information is data recorded when the event took place. Civil registration and Parish Registers are in this category. The next tier are those transcribed or based on vital information, BTs, Census, Poor law, Military and similar records. Following this we have reported information which can include newspapers, books and even family legends. With regards to BTs, they were a lists of BDMs sent to the bishop once a year just after Easter until 1813 when they changed to the calendar year. There were exemptions, omissions and late submissions and completion may be rushed. There are examples of the transcript correcting an entry but the presumption is that the register is correct and that the BT is a "back-up" copy. I don't think I said "reject BTs out of hand" . What I intended to say was that if only the BT exists, then that is the source we have to use. If the registers exist, then we should obtain a copy and, if they exist, compare with the BTs. If they exists, the Registers are, like civil registration, the "legal" entry. Cheers Paul

Thank you Tim. Ruth On 27 Apr 2016, at 13:42, Tim Treeby (Genealogy) via wrote: > Death is actually on FreeBMD, just not been transcribed correctly. > > Tim Treeby > > On 27/04/2016 13:26, Peter Harris via wrote: >> Ruth, FMP shows a death for an Emily Underhay in 1905 at Totnes (not on >> FreeBMD!) as follows: >> >> July-Sept 1/4 1905, age 18 - Ref: Totnes 5b 100 >> >> Regards >> >> Peter > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Death is actually on FreeBMD, just not been transcribed correctly. Tim Treeby On 27/04/2016 13:26, Peter Harris via wrote: > Ruth, FMP shows a death for an Emily Underhay in 1905 at Totnes (not on > FreeBMD!) as follows: > > July-Sept 1/4 1905, age 18 - Ref: Totnes 5b 100 > > Regards > > Peter

Ruth, FMP shows a death for an Emily Underhay in 1905 at Totnes (not on FreeBMD!) as follows: July-Sept 1/4 1905, age 18 - Ref: Totnes 5b 100 Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Wilson via Sent: 27 April 2016 13:18 To: Devon Subject: [DEV] Emily UNDERHAY I wonder if someone can help with a puzzle. George UNDERHAY and Mary LUGG married in Newton Abbot on 17 May 1885. In the 1901 census they are at 5 Alpha Terrace, Totnes with three children George J(ames) age 16 born WInkleigh, Emily age 14 born Newton Abbot and Edith age 10 born Newton Abbot. In 1911 George and Mary are at 3 Alpha Terrace Totnes with Edith now aged 20. George James is just up the road at No 8 Alpha Terrace but I cannot find Emily. George and Mary state that they had had three children one of which has died so I assume that this is Emily. However I cannot find a death for Emily UNDERHAY between 1901 and 1911 but there is a death recorded of the correct age in 1932. I cannot find any obvious marriage for Emily. Does anyone know anything about Emily. Thank you Ruth ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if someone can help with a puzzle. George UNDERHAY and Mary LUGG married in Newton Abbot on 17 May 1885. In the 1901 census they are at 5 Alpha Terrace, Totnes with three children George J(ames) age 16 born WInkleigh, Emily age 14 born Newton Abbot and Edith age 10 born Newton Abbot. In 1911 George and Mary are at 3 Alpha Terrace Totnes with Edith now aged 20. George James is just up the road at No 8 Alpha Terrace but I cannot find Emily. George and Mary state that they had had three children one of which has died so I assume that this is Emily. However I cannot find a death for Emily UNDERHAY between 1901 and 1911 but there is a death recorded of the correct age in 1932. I cannot find any obvious marriage for Emily. Does anyone know anything about Emily. Thank you Ruth

Hi Teresa: On 26 Apr 2016, at 23:54, Teresa Goatham <[email protected]> wrote: > Devon GENUKI had this very useful: > > "A 12, 000-item online gazetteer of Devon <http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Gazetteer/> has been produced from White's 1850 book, listing all the places (chapels, churches, farms, hamlets, houses, inns, manors, schools, streets, villages, etc.) and principal organizations named in it, and identifying their town or parish." > > I see this is available still from the old version - now labelled as 'archived' but not from the new version (or at least not from the same place). > > Is this to disappear? Or has it moved? This gazetteer is still there, and still linked to from the Towns and Parishes page - though that is now reached from under the map rather than at the top of the Main Devon page. However I’ve now also added a link from under Gazetteers. I hope this will help. Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell