The LDS-Archer site: A possibility - marriage between Petrus Tinkcombe and Eliz. Frinke in Oct 1629 in Ashburton ~ http://www.archersoftware.co.uk/igi/ Cheers, Edna - Ottawa

I'm in Alaska at the moment, won't be home till mid June when I might have time to try to fit what I have with what you have. I have Richard Pepperell married Frances Codd 16-6-1661, Slapton. Evocative, no? Can't remember if I have corresponded with you about the Pepperells previously. There is a one-name study that should embrace both your Codd and mine - can't think of the guy's name for the moment. But it is Joe Flood. I'd appreciate a note from you in late June when I should be able to look at what I have. Best, Ken > With this talk of Charlemagne and gateway ancestors on the Devon list I > thought I would share what I have found about a 'gateway' ancestor in my > tree who appears to be descended from Charlemagne. > > There may well be others on this list who share a descent from Lydia > PEPPERELL bap 1764, dau of Samuel PEPPERELL and Alice Bastard ('Ally') > SYMONS. > > (Lydia married John NICHOALS and they had a large family baptised in > Slapton and Dartmouth and I guess by now very many descendants). > > Alice was bap Kingsbridge in 1732/3, the daughter of Aeneas SYMONS > (barber / wig maker of Kingsbridge) and Honor SHEPHERD; others may be > descended from them. > > I have recently found that Aeneas' mother was Alice BASTARD, daughter of > Beville BASTARD, a younger son of the gentry BASTARD family of Gerston > in West Alvington while her mother was Elizabeth ROSE, from some > interesting Dorset families. > > I would be interested in hearing from anyone sharing these ancestors, > either to exchange research or just share what I have. > > My tree is online; Alice BASTARD's page is at > http://teresa-goatham.me.uk/genealogy/names-and-origins/devon/south-hams/bastard/alice-my-gateway-ancestor/ > (http://tinyurl.com/htubk6z) > > I have added a lot of 'ancestors' of Beville to my tree, mainly using > Vivian (Devon visitations), though I have seen a few other documents at > the National Archives and at the PWDRO, as well as a number of PCC > wills. Also of course PR entries, but much of this is before surviving > PRs. > > I have also added quite a few ancestors of Beville's wife Elizabeth ROSE. > > I have not found the baptism of Aeneas SYMONS of Kingsbridge, nor of his > mother Alice BASTARD, nor the marriage of her parents, nor the baptism > of her mother Elizabeth ROSE. > > It's surprising how much can be discovered now without the regular PR > entries, most of this quite easily with readily available online > resources. If you are interested in how I have established the links see > the pages for the individuals from Alice's page, or an account of this > here: > http://teresa-goatham.me.uk/genealogy/names-and-origins/devon/south-hams/bastard/alice-my-gateway-ancestor/ > (http://tinyurl.com/htubk6z) > > Because this research is recent I have yet to investigate most of the > 'ancestors's shown, and haven't even added info about all of the docs I > have looked at, though I am happy to share this. (I will be adding > transcripts of the documents which establish the above links rather than > just references to them, where copyright etc. permits and when my time > also permits). > > See this page for more details about what I have added / why / how > reliable (or not): > http://teresa-goatham.me.uk/genealogy/names-and-origins/devon/south-hams/bastard/gentry-ancestors-on-my-tree/ > (http://tinyurl.com/jth9c58) > > Although I have added Charlemagne to my tree I intend to add a generic > note to each member of the gentry family arrived at via the gateway > ancestor about the lack of confirming data. I didn't intend to publish > my tree with them until I had done so, but wanting to share my tree with > others I am in contact with and it taking me longer than I hoped to work > out some software changes means they are there without comment - I hope > any coming across them have a certain scepticism. > > Teresa > > > > >

With this talk of Charlemagne and gateway ancestors on the Devon list I thought I would share what I have found about a 'gateway' ancestor in my tree who appears to be descended from Charlemagne. There may well be others on this list who share a descent from Lydia PEPPERELL bap 1764, dau of Samuel PEPPERELL and Alice Bastard ('Ally') SYMONS. (Lydia married John NICHOALS and they had a large family baptised in Slapton and Dartmouth and I guess by now very many descendants). Alice was bap Kingsbridge in 1732/3, the daughter of Aeneas SYMONS (barber / wig maker of Kingsbridge) and Honor SHEPHERD; others may be descended from them. I have recently found that Aeneas' mother was Alice BASTARD, daughter of Beville BASTARD, a younger son of the gentry BASTARD family of Gerston in West Alvington while her mother was Elizabeth ROSE, from some interesting Dorset families. I would be interested in hearing from anyone sharing these ancestors, either to exchange research or just share what I have. My tree is online; Alice BASTARD's page is at http://teresa-goatham.me.uk/genealogy/names-and-origins/devon/south-hams/bastard/alice-my-gateway-ancestor/ (http://tinyurl.com/htubk6z) I have added a lot of 'ancestors' of Beville to my tree, mainly using Vivian (Devon visitations), though I have seen a few other documents at the National Archives and at the PWDRO, as well as a number of PCC wills. Also of course PR entries, but much of this is before surviving PRs. I have also added quite a few ancestors of Beville's wife Elizabeth ROSE. I have not found the baptism of Aeneas SYMONS of Kingsbridge, nor of his mother Alice BASTARD, nor the marriage of her parents, nor the baptism of her mother Elizabeth ROSE. It's surprising how much can be discovered now without the regular PR entries, most of this quite easily with readily available online resources. If you are interested in how I have established the links see the pages for the individuals from Alice's page, or an account of this here: http://teresa-goatham.me.uk/genealogy/names-and-origins/devon/south-hams/bastard/alice-my-gateway-ancestor/ (http://tinyurl.com/htubk6z) Because this research is recent I have yet to investigate most of the 'ancestors's shown, and haven't even added info about all of the docs I have looked at, though I am happy to share this. (I will be adding transcripts of the documents which establish the above links rather than just references to them, where copyright etc. permits and when my time also permits). See this page for more details about what I have added / why / how reliable (or not): http://teresa-goatham.me.uk/genealogy/names-and-origins/devon/south-hams/bastard/gentry-ancestors-on-my-tree/ (http://tinyurl.com/jth9c58) Although I have added Charlemagne to my tree I intend to add a generic note to each member of the gentry family arrived at via the gateway ancestor about the lack of confirming data. I didn't intend to publish my tree with them until I had done so, but wanting to share my tree with others I am in contact with and it taking me longer than I hoped to work out some software changes means they are there without comment - I hope any coming across them have a certain scepticism. Teresa

This may not turn out too well. I can't cope with touch keypad. In Romano Christian countries history was recorded by monk such as Bede who relied on hearsay evidence and some legends - Arthur. Others such as Celts and Scandinavians had story tellers. Most could be persuaded to their paymaster`s view of history. Even the Bayeux tapestry was to show William the Bastards - sorry- claim.By the late middle ages heraldry was used to show lineage. This includes the bar sinister although there was no DNA testing. Shakespeare was not above rewriting history and the nouveaux riche Victorians loved proving the they were descended from Adam and Eve. Cheers Paul Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, 22 May, 2016 at 12:27, Teresa Goatham via<[email protected]> wrote: I think it's quality far more than quantity which matters. Being in several different published genealogies counts for little - they copy from each other. Being in one will or IPM can be far more useful than half a dozen of the former (although of course terms like cousin or nephew etc can be vague, and 'in-law' if often omitted). Teresa On 22/05/2016 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 08:21:22 +0100 > From: Ruth<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 > To: Len Heyward<[email protected]>,[email protected] > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed > > Perhaps I should clarify - by "county histories" I am not referring to > those written by antiquarians, who often had their own agenda and were > writing for a specific audience.  I normally look to British History > Online (www.british-history.ac.uk) as they tend to quote the Victoria > County History which in turn cites reliable sources.  It is well known > that the Heralds' Visitations are riddled with inaccuracies, as the > later descents may include certain embellishments to enhance a "nouveau > riche" family's past. > > For that reason, it is desirable wherever possible to find more than one > source for a "fact" before accepting it as such. > > Ruth ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I think it's quality far more than quantity which matters. Being in several different published genealogies counts for little - they copy from each other. Being in one will or IPM can be far more useful than half a dozen of the former (although of course terms like cousin or nephew etc can be vague, and 'in-law' if often omitted). Teresa On 22/05/2016 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 08:21:22 +0100 > From: Ruth<[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 > To: Len Heyward<[email protected]>,[email protected] > Message-ID:<[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed > > Perhaps I should clarify - by "county histories" I am not referring to > those written by antiquarians, who often had their own agenda and were > writing for a specific audience. I normally look to British History > Online (www.british-history.ac.uk) as they tend to quote the Victoria > County History which in turn cites reliable sources. It is well known > that the Heralds' Visitations are riddled with inaccuracies, as the > later descents may include certain embellishments to enhance a "nouveau > riche" family's past. > > For that reason, it is desirable wherever possible to find more than one > source for a "fact" before accepting it as such. > > Ruth

Hello Paul; Thanks for the message, I believe there is some merit in the comment. I have previously heard it said that most people born in England can trace back to William the Conqueror (also a descendant of Charlemagne). Let the case rest!! Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Hockie via Sent: 21 May, 2016 2:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 Try googling "descendants of Charlemagne". I read, amongst the many variations, https://www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genet ic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford One similar article states that within a few hundred years' time everyone in the world will have Charlemagne's DNA. The Society of Genealogists and other archives have pedigrees going back to Adam and Eve. Cheers Paul

John; I assume your original email was being addressed back to me. You and I appear like-minded regarding ancestry member trees. I am not a member! Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jlclake Lake via Sent: 21 May, 2016 2:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 Hello, I'd be very interested to know what kind of sources you have to trace your ancestry back to Charlemagne. I know he probably has thousands of descendents today (and, who knows, maybe I'm one of them), but when I find him in ancestry member trees, the only sources, if any, that are cited are other ancestry trees, and I'm very sceptical. I'd love to have my scepticism proved wrong, though. John ________________________________________ >Like most other people who are lucky enough to find a more recent paper trail, I too can trace my ancestry back to Charlemagne. I should be interested to know the source of your >assertion about the HEXT and YEO families. > In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my > associated Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT > family of Devon, and indeed also the YEO family, are "blood > descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, born about 742. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Edna. Len -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of liverpud via Sent: 21 May, 2016 2:44 AM To: DEVON-L Subject: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 Well the WORTHs had the double-headed eagle in their crests.... I wonder..... (;-)) Edna - sunny Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ruth; Sorry to say I have not included County Histories in my 26 year project of looking at the Royal and Noble families of the U.K. and also Europe (in particular France, Germany and the Netherlands) in relation to the ancestors of Queen Victoria - I do not place sufficient integrity or accuracy on the material. This project is quite separate and different from my own family genealogy and necessitates quite different criteria be applied. It is now likened to an exercise in Sociology. Published genealogies also need to be treated with a great deal of caution and scepticism and the sources carefully reviewed. However Ruth, the Royals and/or Nobles throughout history have generally attracted far greater accuracy/integrity in the recording of their biographies, dates, etc., than us ordinary people. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Appleby via Sent: 21 May, 2016 4:31 AM To: jlclake Lake; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 My link to Charlemagne is through family in Lancashire. I managed to trace family back to the early 18th century (confirmed in parish registers, probate documents, marriage contracts etc) which included my "gateway" marriage between a middle class man in Preston to a blue-blooded girl from a long established family who had hit hard times. Despite being relatively poor by that time, her ancestry was well documented in county histories, church records, land transfers and deeds, and published genealogies of her royal forebears. Once you find a gateway person, much of the basic work has already been done for you. The luck lies in the essential documents having survived in county archives to reach that person. Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 20 May 2016, at 17:43, jlclake Lake via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'd be very interested to know what kind of sources you have to trace your ancestry back to Charlemagne. I know he probably has thousands of descendents today (and, who knows, maybe I'm one of them), but when I find him in ancestry member trees, the only sources, if any, that are cited are other ancestry trees, and I'm very sceptical. I'd love to have my scepticism proved wrong, though. > > John > > ________________________________________ > > >> Like most other people who are lucky enough to find a more recent paper trail, I too can trace my ancestry back to Charlemagne. I should be interested to know the source of your >assertion about the HEXT and YEO families. > > >> In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my >> associated Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT >> family of Devon, and indeed also the YEO family, are "blood >> descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, born about 742. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Len, I wonder if this is what you really mean - did you mean to use the indefinite article in "the HEXT family of Devon, and indeed also the YEO family ..."? By doing so you imply that there is one HEXT family and one YEO family, and moreover that in each case their descent from Charlemagne it was by an ancestor common to all of that family. When I look at Stoates transcription of the Devon lay subsidy rolls of 1524-7 I see that by then both surnames were widespread. Given the lack of evidence for most families from the start of surnames to the C16th or even later I doubt you have been able to show that all share a common ancestor and that that early common ancestor was descended from Charlemagne. If I am wrong I too would be very interested to hear how you have doen this, particularly as I too have HEXT ancestors (from Stokenham). That you have evidence that some HEXTs, i.e. a particular HEXT family and some YEOs, ditto, were descended from Charlemagne I find entirely believeable. I too have a gateway ancestor who I have recently (earlier this year) found. This seems to take me back to Hugh de Courtney who married Margaret de Bohun, the latter apparently daughter of Edward I and Eleanor of Castile, but through the de Bohuns descended from Charlemagne. Needless to say I have not been able to check out all the supposed links in a little over 3 months. What concerns me, and you haven't so far mentioned, is that I have heard several times since then comments by professional historians that there was a time when all the European Royal families wanted to be descended from Charlemagne and so there were some 'invented' genealogies to show this. I wonder what you make of this? Teresa On 21/05/2016 07:52, [email protected] wrote: > Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 01:43:36 +1000 > From: "Len Heyward"<[email protected]> > Subject: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 > To:<[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi listers, > > > > In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my associated > Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT family of Devon, and > indeed also the YEO family, are "blood descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor > Charlemagne, born about 742. > > > > If any other lister has similar interests, I would be more than willing to > share the information I have. > > > > This was a surprise to find and has sparked my interest even further. > > > > Best regards > > > > Len Heyward > >

Further to my previous message, the full web address is fmg.ac/Projects/Medlands. Ruth

Another excellent site for mediaeval genealogy is fmg.ac/Medlands. It covers all of the UK, Europe and some Middle East genealogies, quotes and cites primary sources and you can spend HOURS just checking your findings against theirs. It has an excellent search facility. I think it is one of the most reliable and comprehensive sites available. And it's free! Ruth On 21/05/2016 09:02, PDeloriol via wrote: > Len, > > Have you tried Gen-medieval list? Admittedly it only goes up to 1600 but It > has a host of very switched on people and professional medievalists who > know a lot! There is also Leo van de Pas's site Genealogics and Stirnet - the > latter good for a start with the Gentry and then you can ferret more. > There is also a site dedicated to the Conqueror's descendants and the mother of > all European sites, Roglo, ( http://roglo.eu/roglo) which is available to > most people as long as the search is done prior to the last 100 years. > After that the site is only accessible to the wizards. > Peter >

Hello Len I have Hext (& Smerdon, Hamlyn etc) family from around Widecombe, we have shared information in the past. I'm very interested in what you have found, where have you found this link? Regards Judy South Australia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Len Heyward via Sent: Saturday, 21 May 2016 1:14 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 Hi listers, In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my associated Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT family of Devon, and indeed also the YEO family, are "blood descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, born about 742. If any other lister has similar interests, I would be more than willing to share the information I have. This was a surprise to find and has sparked my interest even further. Best regards Len Heyward ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Perhaps I should clarify - by "county histories" I am not referring to those written by antiquarians, who often had their own agenda and were writing for a specific audience. I normally look to British History Online (www.british-history.ac.uk) as they tend to quote the Victoria County History which in turn cites reliable sources. It is well known that the Heralds' Visitations are riddled with inaccuracies, as the later descents may include certain embellishments to enhance a "nouveau riche" family's past. For that reason, it is desirable wherever possible to find more than one source for a "fact" before accepting it as such. Ruth On 21/05/2016 07:51, Len Heyward wrote: > > Sorry to say I have not included County Histories in my 26 year project of > looking at the Royal and Noble families of the U.K. .....I do not place sufficient integrity or accuracy on the > material.........Published genealogies also need to be treated with a great deal of caution > and scepticism and the sources carefully reviewed. >

I have a YEO line too, and have tentatively traced it all the way back to Charlemagne. The 'gateway' person in this line, linking the nobility to us ordinary folk, is Ellen Grenville (1430-1485) daughter of Sir William Grenville (1400-1449). His mother's line goes back through the deCourtenays, deBohuns and Plantagenets. But I'm not 100% sure I've got the connection to the Yeos right, so I'd be interested to know if anyone else has the same line, or a similar one. Cheers, Linda -----Original Message----- From: John Moore via Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 1:51 AM To: Len Heyward ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 Len: You certainly sparked my interet. I have a direct YEO ancestor. Regards, John Moore On 20 May 2016 at 11:43, Len Heyward via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi listers, > > > > In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my associated > Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT family of Devon, > and > indeed also the YEO family, are "blood descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor > Charlemagne, born about 742. > > > > If any other lister has similar interests, I would be more than willing to > share the information I have. > > > > This was a surprise to find and has sparked my interest even further. > > > > Best regards > > > > Len Heyward > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Len, Have you tried Gen-medieval list? Admittedly it only goes up to 1600 but It has a host of very switched on people and professional medievalists who know a lot! There is also Leo van de Pas's site Genealogics and Stirnet - the latter good for a start with the Gentry and then you can ferret more. There is also a site dedicated to the Conqueror's descendants and the mother of all European sites, Roglo, ( http://roglo.eu/roglo) which is available to most people as long as the search is done prior to the last 100 years. After that the site is only accessible to the wizards. Peter In a message dated 21/05/2016 08:00:50 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Ruth; Sorry to say I have not included County Histories in my 26 year project of looking at the Royal and Noble families of the U.K. and also Europe (in particular France, Germany and the Netherlands) in relation to the ancestors of Queen Victoria - I do not place sufficient integrity or accuracy on the material. This project is quite separate and different from my own family genealogy and necessitates quite different criteria be applied. It is now likened to an exercise in Sociology. Published genealogies also need to be treated with a great deal of caution and scepticism and the sources carefully reviewed. However Ruth, the Royals and/or Nobles throughout history have generally attracted far greater accuracy/integrity in the recording of their biographies, dates, etc., than us ordinary people. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ruth Appleby via Sent: 21 May, 2016 4:31 AM To: jlclake Lake; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 My link to Charlemagne is through family in Lancashire. I managed to trace family back to the early 18th century (confirmed in parish registers, probate documents, marriage contracts etc) which included my "gateway" marriage between a middle class man in Preston to a blue-blooded girl from a long established family who had hit hard times. Despite being relatively poor by that time, her ancestry was well documented in county histories, church records, land transfers and deeds, and published genealogies of her royal forebears. Once you find a gateway person, much of the basic work has already been done for you. The luck lies in the essential documents having survived in county archives to reach that person. Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 20 May 2016, at 17:43, jlclake Lake via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'd be very interested to know what kind of sources you have to trace your ancestry back to Charlemagne. I know he probably has thousands of descendents today (and, who knows, maybe I'm one of them), but when I find him in ancestry member trees, the only sources, if any, that are cited are other ancestry trees, and I'm very sceptical. I'd love to have my scepticism proved wrong, though. > > John > > ________________________________________ > > >> Like most other people who are lucky enough to find a more recent paper trail, I too can trace my ancestry back to Charlemagne. I should be interested to know the source of your >assertion about the HEXT and YEO families. > > >> In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my >> associated Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT >> family of Devon, and indeed also the YEO family, are "blood >> descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, born about 742. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi listers, In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my associated Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT family of Devon, and indeed also the YEO family, are "blood descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, born about 742. If any other lister has similar interests, I would be more than willing to share the information I have. This was a surprise to find and has sparked my interest even further. Best regards Len Heyward

My link to Charlemagne is through family in Lancashire. I managed to trace family back to the early 18th century (confirmed in parish registers, probate documents, marriage contracts etc) which included my "gateway" marriage between a middle class man in Preston to a blue-blooded girl from a long established family who had hit hard times. Despite being relatively poor by that time, her ancestry was well documented in county histories, church records, land transfers and deeds, and published genealogies of her royal forebears. Once you find a gateway person, much of the basic work has already been done for you. The luck lies in the essential documents having survived in county archives to reach that person. Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 20 May 2016, at 17:43, jlclake Lake via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello, > > I'd be very interested to know what kind of sources you have to trace your ancestry back to Charlemagne. I know he probably has thousands of descendents today (and, who knows, maybe I'm one of them), but when I find him in ancestry member trees, the only sources, if any, that are cited are other ancestry trees, and I'm very sceptical. I'd love to have my scepticism proved wrong, though. > > John > > ________________________________________ > > >> Like most other people who are lucky enough to find a more recent paper trail, I too can trace my ancestry back to Charlemagne. I should be interested to know the source of your >assertion about the HEXT and YEO families. > > >> In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my associated >> Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT family of Devon, and >> indeed also the YEO family, are "blood descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor >> Charlemagne, born about 742. > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Try googling "descendants of Charlemagne". I read, amongst the many variations, https://www.theguardian.com/science/commentisfree/2015/may/24/business-genet ic-ancestry-charlemagne-adam-rutherford One similar article states that within a few hundred years' time everyone in the world will have Charlemagne's DNA. The Society of Genealogists and other archives have pedigrees going back to Adam and Eve. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Moore via Sent: 20 May 2016 17:21 To: Len Heyward; [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Charlemagne 742 Len: You certainly sparked my interet. I have a direct YEO ancestor. Regards, John Moore On 20 May 2016 at 11:43, Len Heyward via <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi listers, > > > > In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my > associated Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT > family of Devon, and indeed also the YEO family, are "blood > descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne, born about 742. > > > > If any other lister has similar interests, I would be more than > willing to share the information I have. > > > > This was a surprise to find and has sparked my interest even further. > > > > Best regards > > > > Len Heyward > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Len Like most other people who are lucky enough to find a more recent paper trail, I too can trace my ancestry back to Charlemagne. I should be interested to know the source of your assertion about the HEXT and YEO families. Ruth Sent from my iPad > On 20 May 2016, at 16:48, Len Heyward via <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi listers, > > > > In the process of gathering additional info on a number of my associated > Devon ancestry lines, I have become aware that the HEXT family of Devon, and > indeed also the YEO family, are "blood descendants" of Holy Roman Emperor > Charlemagne, born about 742. > > > > If any other lister has similar interests, I would be more than willing to > share the information I have. > > > > This was a surprise to find and has sparked my interest even further. > > > > Best regards > > > > Len Heyward > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message