Hello Bev and list, Aldenham School Registers:- nice to see your posting on Commonwealth Countries. My husband Terry and I are members of The Royal Commonwealth Society in Western Australia and have been for very many years. In fact Terry is the current President and is working hard to build up numbers. Like most Societies today there has been a drop off as members grow older and trying to get younger people involved isn't easy. However, we managed to start a youth group who at the moment seem to be doing well. We have a Speech and Leadership competition every year with students from all over the State high schools and colleges competing. Most of our winners go to University (usually Law) and some have gone on to Cambridge and Oxford and are teaching over there. I doubt we would have any ancestors in Hertfordshire but would be interested to know of anyone mentioned who had an attachment to/with Australia. Kind regards Ann Spiro Guild of One-Name Studies Representative for WA & NT. [email protected] Guild registered surnames: BASKETT; BRIGGS http://www.one-name.org/ Baskett DNA Project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Baskett -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Louise C via Sent: Sunday, 31 July 2016 7:44 AM To: Devon mailing list Subject: [DEV] Aldenham School Registers - Devon Folk + CommonwealthCountries 1898-1936 Forwarded at Bev's request. Her messages are still not getting through to the list. Regards, Louise >>> B. Edmonds <[email protected]> Afternoon all. Found in Op Shop today. The Aldenham School Register was first published in 1898. I think this edition goes up to 1938 [7th edition]. Aldenham is a village and civil parish in Hertfordshire and this book is a real little gem. The Author has attempted to find out as much as he could about the past pupils of this school. Many, many names from all over England and Commonwealth Countries with lots of information on some of their pupils and hardly anything on others. Some died in Japan, some Egypt-South Africa etc. etc. some even died in South America. One chap died whilst elephant hunting in Portuguese East Africa. Lots went to Australia and New Zealand as well. For instance FOX, Edwin Spencer, 1863-1867 ( Son of Edwin FOX, East India Merchant) Cricket Eleven, Formerly Tea Planter in Ceylon. Died at Salcombe, S. Devon, Nov., 1932 CARTER, Sydney William Brown, Sep 1887-Jul. 1893. " Trethake, " Oreston, Plymouth. ( Son of James CARTER, of Marlborough, Wilts.) Auchioneer & Valuer. WALLIS, Lionel John, 1898-Jul 1899. Greengates, Brixham, South Devon. ( Son of John Augustus WALLIS, M.D., H.M. Commissioner in Lunacy, of Harrow-on-the-Hill) Resident Inspector for Plymouth and South Devon for the Union Assurance Society Ltd. Cubs: Royal Western Yacht Club of England and Royal South Western Yacht Club, Plymouth. Great War 9th Lincs Regt: Capt. That is a just a couple of examples. If you think an ancestor may have attended this school then I am happy to do a look-up. Regards Bev Edmonds >>>> ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello Diana Sorry for the delay in responding to your recent posting but other things got in the way. That was obviously a follow-up to your previous thread (http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/DEVON/2015-08/1440414065) about the adoption of your grandmother Rose Nellie MARDON who was the illegitimate daughter of Rose MARDON, both of whom were born in Devon. As Paul Hockie has suggested, the implication of the "Ohio" passenger list is that Rose MARDON was an Irish woman, as "confirmed" on her US immigration card, who first travelled to the Liverpool Emigration Depot from where she took an assisted passage directly to Philadelphia. But the alphabetical sequence of the "Ohio" passenger list implies that it is at best a secondary source so her Irish attribution may be an error by the ship's purser. Or she may have lied about her circumstances to get the assisted passage. There is, however, compelling evidence in US archives that this emigrant Rose MARDON is indeed your English great grandmother from Devon, but there is no evidence that she ever went to or returned from Ireland, so her emigration route may well have been from Devon to Liverpool to Philadelphia -- because she evidently emigrated to marry a fiancé from Newton Abbot. You do not mention that significant fact so perhaps it is not in your anecdotal storyline. This is what might have happened: Rose MARDON's birth was registered in Exeter in Q4 1858, the daughter of William and Susan with whom she was living in the 1861 census, and with her widowed father in 1871. You have told us that in 1878 she was a domestic servant and had an illegitimate daughter Rose Nellie MARDON by her (undisclosed) employer; born Q4 1878 in Mrs Barnes' boarding house in Exmouth (which may not have been her normal parish of residence); that there was some sort of financial arrangement(s); and that the child was "adopted" by Mrs Emma CABE, widow of an Exmouth sailor (who apparently died at sea in 1872) and who was paid for that fostering service. In the 1881 census Rose Nellie is listed as Nellie CABE, "adopted child, parents unknown" (though Mrs CABE probably knew a lot more than she told the enumerator). In 1881 Rose MARDON, age 22, no occupation given, was a visitor in the WORTH household in Highweek, Newton Abbot, and emigrated to the USA three years later in 1884. Meanwhile, William CORBETT Jr was born in Birmingham in 1861 , where he was living in the 1871 census with his widowed father William Sr, leather dresser. In 1881 both father and son were employed as leather dressers and living in Highweek, Newton Abbot. That puts William Jr and Rose in the same place at the same time. According to US census records William Jr immigrated into the US in 1881, though I find no record of his travel, and found employment as a tanner in Chicago, while his father William Sr remained in Newton Abbot. William CORBETT Jr and Rose MARDON married by licence in Chicago, Illinois on 1 June 1884, very soon after Rose had arrived in Philadelphia on 13 May. Rose knocked at least two years off her age at marriage (23 compared with 26 on the passenger list) and in US censuses of 1900 and 1910, while her gravestone has a birth date of 23 September 1860 (consistent with registration early in Q4, albeit two years adrift). William and Rose had five children. Rose died on 9 September 1917, aged 59, and William on 21 March 1949, aged 87. Illinois records confirm Rose's father as Wm MARDON/MORDON and William's birthplace as Birmingham. The US censuses and some Illinois records are free on FamilySearch/United States/Illinois, as is William's probable naturalization in 1896, BMDs for Cook County, Illinois, are on Ancestry, and William and Rose are together on FindAGrave. Like I said, compelling, but not conclusive -- you need to pick it apart and test my assumptions, especially that all those Rose MARDONs were one and the same. Rose MARDON had a sister Susan who married a BAKER. In the 1881 census William CORBETT Sr had a (euphemistic?) housekeeper Ellen BAKER whom he promptly married in Q2 1881. I'm wondering if those two BAKERs were related such that William Jr and Rose met and became engaged. Between 1881 and 1884 Rose may have remained in Devon, without her by-now adopted daughter, perhaps living in Newton Abbot with William Sr and Ellen. Did your MARDON/CABE grandmother know about her mother's marriage? Did Rose take the money, abandon the baby and run? Or did she arrange the "adoption" and make financial provision for the child? Did the CORBETT family know of Rose's illegitimate child? Do you have American second cousins who know nothing of their great grandmother's dark secret? Too many questions, too much speculation. Finally, was your grandmother's birth certificate useful and were the two solicitors helpful? Regards -- Martin Beavis ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Some of those US records are at: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N7WQ-QBM https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XKLV-51T https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N3HF-8Z9 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2M4-5BPM https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MMVK-YZX https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKZN-X8Z http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=134877482&ref=acom http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=Corbett&GSiman=1&GScid=106944&GRid=134877450& You may be able to obtain a copies of the marriage licence, the marriage and death certificates from http://cyberdriveillinois.com/departments/archives/databases/home.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: smith26bd via Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 4:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Help with travel records Hi, I am looking for help to find if there are passenger lists or other records of travel from England to Ireland between 1879 and 1884. I am wanting to find out when Rose MARDON my great grandmother left England to go to USA. She must have gone to Ireland first - sometime between 1879 and 1884, as she is on the passenger list of the ship “Ohio" arriving in Philadelphia USA on 13 May 1884 from Ireland. We think she might have left England earlier than 1884. Her details are: Rose MARDON - born in 1858, in Exeter, parents William and Susan MARDON Living at 3 Waterloo Place, St David in 1861, and Easton Buildings, St Lawrence in 1871 censuses. She had a baby Rose Nelly MARDON on 27 October 1878 in Exmouth. After that I think she was a visitor at Farm Terrace, Highweek with the Worth family on the 1881 census (without the baby). (There was another Rose Mardon in Exeter, a piano tuner, but she was in Exeter for the 1881 census). I would appreciate any help with information. Thank you, Diana Smith Melbourne Australia ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Forwarded at Bev's request. Her messages are still not getting through to the list. Regards, Louise >>> B. Edmonds <[email protected]> Afternoon all. Found in Op Shop today. The Aldenham School Register was first published in 1898. I think this edition goes up to 1938 [7th edition]. Aldenham is a village and civil parish in Hertfordshire and this book is a real little gem. The Author has attempted to find out as much as he could about the past pupils of this school. Many, many names from all over England and Commonwealth Countries with lots of information on some of their pupils and hardly anything on others. Some died in Japan, some Egypt-South Africa etc. etc. some even died in South America. One chap died whilst elephant hunting in Portuguese East Africa. Lots went to Australia and New Zealand as well. For instance FOX, Edwin Spencer, 1863-1867 ( Son of Edwin FOX, East India Merchant) Cricket Eleven, Formerly Tea Planter in Ceylon. Died at Salcombe, S. Devon, Nov., 1932 CARTER, Sydney William Brown, Sep 1887-Jul. 1893. " Trethake, " Oreston, Plymouth. ( Son of James CARTER, of Marlborough, Wilts.) Auchioneer & Valuer. WALLIS, Lionel John, 1898-Jul 1899. Greengates, Brixham, South Devon. ( Son of John Augustus WALLIS, M.D., H.M. Commissioner in Lunacy, of Harrow-on-the-Hill) Resident Inspector for Plymouth and South Devon for the Union Assurance Society Ltd. Cubs: Royal Western Yacht Club of England and Royal South Western Yacht Club, Plymouth. Great War 9th Lincs Regt: Capt. That is a just a couple of examples. If you think an ancestor may have attended this school then I am happy to do a look-up. Regards Bev Edmonds >>>>
Can you do me a little favor? John
Can you do me a little favor? John
Good morning, I understand there were difficulties in record keeping around the time of the Civil War. I would be grateful if someone could explain the reason for these, the approximate time they occurred & the places affected in Devon. Thank you Norman Full Australia
Hello Linda, It was nice to hear from you again. Glad all is well and that you are having nice trips. I have not been on vacation since 2013. With my back and knee problems it is not easy for me to walk like I did in previous years. The surgeon said I played too much tennis and sports and wore out the bones. With my blood problem it is not easy for me to have operations. I miss my European trips. Have not been to England for quite a few years although I am still in contact with many people - those who are still around. I am still heavily involved in family research. You mentioned Saunders in your note and did not know where the last one was born. Were you referring to William Saunders who married Hannah Dally? I see on Ancestry people have lots of different places and names etc. beyond William but there is no proven details as yet. I have been to Mosterton and it is very close to the Somerset border. There is also a Misterton and Petherton and they could also be likely places. There are many Saunders in Somerset and I am a member of a couple of sites. For some years I have been in contact with someone in Australia whose way back ancestor was an Elizabeth Saunders from Mosterton. It is such a small place and we have never been able to make a connection. I even have a map showing the farm area where some Saunders were farming. We also have a way back Elizabeth but she died young. His Saunders was in the later Taylor family and he also has a Benjamin Saunders with a wife Elizabeth. There were two Benjamins both with wives called Elizabeth but different eras. He used a professional researcher and she said our Benjamin married twice. I wrote to her and asked where she found a second marriage and whether she had seen a certificate. She never replied. I always want proof of entries otherwise the info just stays in a note. I have all the info on both families. The records are strange re the Saunders in Mosterton. The first children are shown as children of William and Hannah. The next batch is only of William. Odd but it seems to fit re dates etc. Have you noticed that all the children have religious names. I have the Hansford line going back a long way with other names. I am waiting to hear whether Richard Hansford in Portland was the one born in Swyre/Puncknowle. There is no proof although I see Ancestry members are including the connection (by copying other trees) A contact had his DNA done and was in touch with a descendant from the Swyre Hansford line. If there is a DNA match then we will know that our Richard was the same one who was born in Swyre/Puncknowle. The baptism dates are the same but that is no proof. I rarely look at Ancestry trees as when I find an error I notice that others are copying the same info. Even transcribers for Ancestry have made errors - I corrected some for Ancestry myself which were on the branching Hansford lines. I am still copying over 100 pages of the Hansford line who branched out into other countries but it takes time as I check the entries to make sure they are correct even though I know the person who sent it. I am working on the Pearce line from Portland at present and helping a contact in Ireland. I do all my research and checking from Parish records and it takes time. I used to spend about 9 hours a day at the Reference Library but it is difficult without a car (at weekends as I was working then). Now going to watch the DNC for Clinton. I watched most of the Trump one. Matter of interest. What did you think of BREXIT? Weymouth and Portland voted to leave Europe and I was not surprised as when I have been to Portland quite a few people complained about Europe - although they mostly went there for vacations. I guess it was mostly about the immigration problem. Interesting to see what happens. Thanks for keeping in touch. Dee
Sorry, a big apology from me Barnstaple is NOT one of the parishes for which Devon FHS has the images. Terry -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [DEV] John Beaple b. 1546 in Barnstaple Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 12:35:53 +0100 From: Terry Leaman <[email protected]> To: Martin Beavis <[email protected]>, [email protected] Barnstaple is one of a large number of parishes where photographs of original registers available in the Members' area of the Devon Family History Society's website. Unfortunately at the moment there is a problem with some register images- webmaster informed so should be corrected shortly. The other parishes where images are available are:- Abbotskerswell, Arlington, Aveton Gifford, Axminster, Barnstaple, Berrynarbor, Bideford, Bigbury, Bow, Bratton Fleming, Broadhempston, Challacombe, Clayhidon, Coffinswell, Coleridge, Combpyne, Cullompton, Culmstock, Exeter St. Matthew, Exeter St. Sidwell, Hawkchurch, Hemyock, Holsworthy, Ilsington, Kennerleigh, Kentisbury, Kingskerswell, Kingston, Lapford, Loddiswell, Loxhore, Malborough, Mary Tavy, Milton Damarel, Modbury, Morchard Bishop, Nymet Rowland, Peter Tavy, Plymtree, Ringmore, Salcombe, Shirwell, South Huish, Stockleigh English, Stockleigh Pomeroy, Stoke Rivers, Torquay Torwood Holy Trinity, Torquay St. Marks, Torquay St. Matthias, Washford Pyne, Withycombe Raleigh, Woodleigh, Woolfardisworthy East, Zeal Monachorum. Terry On 22-Jul-16 11:38 AM, Martin Beavis via wrote: > Hello again Pam > > You asked about your 9xggf: John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife > Agnes, was baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546. > > Barnstaple is one of the NDRO parishes that are not yet digitised and > uploaded to FMP but in the meantime GENUKI Barnstaple links to a 1903 > printed transcription of Barnstaple PRs from 1538-1812 at > https://archive.org/details/registerofbaptis00byubarn > (The default PDF resists searching and is easier to navigate if downloaded > to your hard drive but you can easily search the full-text option online, or > download that too and search it with a smart wildcard text editor, and then > navigate to the relevant pages of the PDF.) > > It includes: > 1542 baptism, John, son of Ric. Beaple > 1542 burial, John, son of Ric. Beaple > 1546 baptism, John, son of Rich. Beapell > 1550 burial, Richard Beaple > 1567 baptism, Katheryne, daughter of James Beaple > 1594 burial, Mrs. Angnis Beaple, widow > > Ancestry has 16 PCC wills for Beaple of which 10 in North Devon, including > Agnes Beaple 3 Jun 1595 Barnstaple, widow, who mentions her married > daughter Katherine. She also mentions a Cade family (that's "C" as > handwritten in "children"). There was a marriage between Alexander BEAPLE > and Annes CADE in Barnstaple in 1554 (IGI) so you need to consider how > Angnis/Agnes was related to Annes. FMP has a Katherne [sic] BEAPLE, > baptised Shebbear 1580. That 1595 will seems a bit late for a 1594 burial, > or could that be explained (or exacerbated) by use of the Gregorian > calendar? The spelling of "Agnes" is rather variable. The Devon Wills > Project (free to view on FMP) lists wills that are known to have existed, > giving some useful indication of who died where and when. > > Those Barnstaple PRs may also include variant spellings of Whythere, > Whytehyere, Whyther, Whyter, Whiteheare, Whitehere, Whiteyr, Whitear, > Whitter, Whithere, Wither, Whitherid, Whitehaire , etc, and may be relevant > to your previous enquiry about the rector of that name. They might help to > dispose of some of the inconsistent online rubbish about your Brown family. > But they obviously do not include adjacent parishes like East Down that > might be relevant to Barnstaple families. The usual sources do have indexed > transcriptions from North Devon, probably taken from the IGI records. > > Finally, a few unrelated entries I noticed in the Barnstaple PRs: > 1546 baptism, Annys, daughter of Cornys ys daft by the young Beapyll the > millward > 1599 Burial, Ellynor Pattrick, a hoore of fame > In December, 1676, the frost was so great that the ouldest man then liveing > then did never know the like, for it was so heard frosen that many were > faine for to rost there meate fir to eat it because the[y] could not > gitt watter far to boyle the pot. John Sloly, Clarke of Barnestaple. > 1677 burial Mrs. Richard Roshier, widow ... And she gave me 20 shillings > upon her will for a legasay and I have receaved it. And I would wish that > all good Christans that are to be buried in Barnstaple that the[y] would doe > the like to mee as this woman did if the[y] be abell. John Sloly, Clarke of > the parish. [And a few years later he gratefully and solicitously recorded > a similar legacy of £5.] > > Regards - Martin Beavis > > -----Original Message----- > From: PMR via > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:41 PM > To: 'DEVON Mailing List' > Subject: [DEV] John Beaple b. 1546 in Barnstaple > > Greetings Listers > John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife Agnes, was > baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546 - he's my 9 x ggf. > Apparently his eldest child, Anne (8 x ggm) was baptised in St > Margaret's Northam on 7 Oct 1584. So, hoping that they did the right thing, > John and his wife (name unknown) were married before that date. Given John's > age at the time, this may have been a second marriage, or there may be > children older than Anne. > I'd also like to find the burial of John and his wife, and also > any information concerning his parents Richard and Agnes (surname unknown). > Can anyone point me in the right direction please? > Many thanks. > Cheers > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Barnstaple is one of a large number of parishes where photographs of original registers available in the Members' area of the Devon Family History Society's website. Unfortunately at the moment there is a problem with some register images- webmaster informed so should be corrected shortly. The other parishes where images are available are:- Abbotskerswell, Arlington, Aveton Gifford, Axminster, Barnstaple, Berrynarbor, Bideford, Bigbury, Bow, Bratton Fleming, Broadhempston, Challacombe, Clayhidon, Coffinswell, Coleridge, Combpyne, Cullompton, Culmstock, Exeter St. Matthew, Exeter St. Sidwell, Hawkchurch, Hemyock, Holsworthy, Ilsington, Kennerleigh, Kentisbury, Kingskerswell, Kingston, Lapford, Loddiswell, Loxhore, Malborough, Mary Tavy, Milton Damarel, Modbury, Morchard Bishop, Nymet Rowland, Peter Tavy, Plymtree, Ringmore, Salcombe, Shirwell, South Huish, Stockleigh English, Stockleigh Pomeroy, Stoke Rivers, Torquay Torwood Holy Trinity, Torquay St. Marks, Torquay St. Matthias, Washford Pyne, Withycombe Raleigh, Woodleigh, Woolfardisworthy East, Zeal Monachorum. Terry On 22-Jul-16 11:38 AM, Martin Beavis via wrote: > Hello again Pam > > You asked about your 9xggf: John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife > Agnes, was baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546. > > Barnstaple is one of the NDRO parishes that are not yet digitised and > uploaded to FMP but in the meantime GENUKI Barnstaple links to a 1903 > printed transcription of Barnstaple PRs from 1538-1812 at > https://archive.org/details/registerofbaptis00byubarn > (The default PDF resists searching and is easier to navigate if downloaded > to your hard drive but you can easily search the full-text option online, or > download that too and search it with a smart wildcard text editor, and then > navigate to the relevant pages of the PDF.) > > It includes: > 1542 baptism, John, son of Ric. Beaple > 1542 burial, John, son of Ric. Beaple > 1546 baptism, John, son of Rich. Beapell > 1550 burial, Richard Beaple > 1567 baptism, Katheryne, daughter of James Beaple > 1594 burial, Mrs. Angnis Beaple, widow > > Ancestry has 16 PCC wills for Beaple of which 10 in North Devon, including > Agnes Beaple 3 Jun 1595 Barnstaple, widow, who mentions her married > daughter Katherine. She also mentions a Cade family (that's "C" as > handwritten in "children"). There was a marriage between Alexander BEAPLE > and Annes CADE in Barnstaple in 1554 (IGI) so you need to consider how > Angnis/Agnes was related to Annes. FMP has a Katherne [sic] BEAPLE, > baptised Shebbear 1580. That 1595 will seems a bit late for a 1594 burial, > or could that be explained (or exacerbated) by use of the Gregorian > calendar? The spelling of "Agnes" is rather variable. The Devon Wills > Project (free to view on FMP) lists wills that are known to have existed, > giving some useful indication of who died where and when. > > Those Barnstaple PRs may also include variant spellings of Whythere, > Whytehyere, Whyther, Whyter, Whiteheare, Whitehere, Whiteyr, Whitear, > Whitter, Whithere, Wither, Whitherid, Whitehaire , etc, and may be relevant > to your previous enquiry about the rector of that name. They might help to > dispose of some of the inconsistent online rubbish about your Brown family. > But they obviously do not include adjacent parishes like East Down that > might be relevant to Barnstaple families. The usual sources do have indexed > transcriptions from North Devon, probably taken from the IGI records. > > Finally, a few unrelated entries I noticed in the Barnstaple PRs: > 1546 baptism, Annys, daughter of Cornys ys daft by the young Beapyll the > millward > 1599 Burial, Ellynor Pattrick, a hoore of fame > In December, 1676, the frost was so great that the ouldest man then liveing > then did never know the like, for it was so heard frosen that many were > faine for to rost there meate fir to eat it because the[y] could not > gitt watter far to boyle the pot. John Sloly, Clarke of Barnestaple. > 1677 burial Mrs. Richard Roshier, widow ... And she gave me 20 shillings > upon her will for a legasay and I have receaved it. And I would wish that > all good Christans that are to be buried in Barnstaple that the[y] would doe > the like to mee as this woman did if the[y] be abell. John Sloly, Clarke of > the parish. [And a few years later he gratefully and solicitously recorded > a similar legacy of £5.] > > Regards - Martin Beavis > > -----Original Message----- > From: PMR via > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:41 PM > To: 'DEVON Mailing List' > Subject: [DEV] John Beaple b. 1546 in Barnstaple > > Greetings Listers > John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife Agnes, was > baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546 - he's my 9 x ggf. > Apparently his eldest child, Anne (8 x ggm) was baptised in St > Margaret's Northam on 7 Oct 1584. So, hoping that they did the right thing, > John and his wife (name unknown) were married before that date. Given John's > age at the time, this may have been a second marriage, or there may be > children older than Anne. > I'd also like to find the burial of John and his wife, and also > any information concerning his parents Richard and Agnes (surname unknown). > Can anyone point me in the right direction please? > Many thanks. > Cheers > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Just to add to Martin's "few unrelated entries", more a bit more info can be found on my website (which has been up for nearly 20 years!) at http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/history/country.htm - click on the option "*About the Weather & Other Conditions in Devon".* Cheers, John My history pages: http://www.lerwill-life.org.uk/history/history.htm On 22/07/2016 11:38, Martin Beavis via wrote: > Hello again Pam > > You asked about your 9xggf: John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife > Agnes, was baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546. > > Barnstaple is one of the NDRO parishes that are not yet digitised and > uploaded to FMP but in the meantime GENUKI Barnstaple links to a 1903 > printed transcription of Barnstaple PRs from 1538-1812 at > https://archive.org/details/registerofbaptis00byubarn > (The default PDF resists searching and is easier to navigate if downloaded > to your hard drive but you can easily search the full-text option online, or > download that too and search it with a smart wildcard text editor, and then > navigate to the relevant pages of the PDF.) > > It includes: > 1542 baptism, John, son of Ric. Beaple > 1542 burial, John, son of Ric. Beaple > 1546 baptism, John, son of Rich. Beapell > 1550 burial, Richard Beaple > 1567 baptism, Katheryne, daughter of James Beaple > 1594 burial, Mrs. Angnis Beaple, widow > > Ancestry has 16 PCC wills for Beaple of which 10 in North Devon, including > Agnes Beaple 3 Jun 1595 Barnstaple, widow, who mentions her married > daughter Katherine. She also mentions a Cade family (that's "C" as > handwritten in "children"). There was a marriage between Alexander BEAPLE > and Annes CADE in Barnstaple in 1554 (IGI) so you need to consider how > Angnis/Agnes was related to Annes. FMP has a Katherne [sic] BEAPLE, > baptised Shebbear 1580. That 1595 will seems a bit late for a 1594 burial, > or could that be explained (or exacerbated) by use of the Gregorian > calendar? The spelling of "Agnes" is rather variable. The Devon Wills > Project (free to view on FMP) lists wills that are known to have existed, > giving some useful indication of who died where and when. > > Those Barnstaple PRs may also include variant spellings of Whythere, > Whytehyere, Whyther, Whyter, Whiteheare, Whitehere, Whiteyr, Whitear, > Whitter, Whithere, Wither, Whitherid, Whitehaire , etc, and may be relevant > to your previous enquiry about the rector of that name. They might help to > dispose of some of the inconsistent online rubbish about your Brown family. > But they obviously do not include adjacent parishes like East Down that > might be relevant to Barnstaple families. The usual sources do have indexed > transcriptions from North Devon, probably taken from the IGI records. > > Finally, a few unrelated entries I noticed in the Barnstaple PRs: > 1546 baptism, Annys, daughter of Cornys ys daft by the young Beapyll the > millward > 1599 Burial, Ellynor Pattrick, a hoore of fame > In December, 1676, the frost was so great that the ouldest man then liveing > then did never know the like, for it was so heard frosen that many were > faine for to rost there meate fir to eat it because the[y] could not > gitt watter far to boyle the pot. John Sloly, Clarke of Barnestaple. > 1677 burial Mrs. Richard Roshier, widow ... And she gave me 20 shillings > upon her will for a legasay and I have receaved it. And I would wish that > all good Christans that are to be buried in Barnstaple that the[y] would doe > the like to mee as this woman did if the[y] be abell. John Sloly, Clarke of > the parish. [And a few years later he gratefully and solicitously recorded > a similar legacy of £5.] > > Regards - Martin Beavis > > -----Original Message----- > From: PMR via > Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:41 PM > To: 'DEVON Mailing List' > Subject: [DEV] John Beaple b. 1546 in Barnstaple > > Greetings Listers > John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife Agnes, was > baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546 - he's my 9 x ggf. > Apparently his eldest child, Anne (8 x ggm) was baptised in St > Margaret's Northam on 7 Oct 1584. So, hoping that they did the right thing, > John and his wife (name unknown) were married before that date. Given John's > age at the time, this may have been a second marriage, or there may be > children older than Anne. > I'd also like to find the burial of John and his wife, and also > any information concerning his parents Richard and Agnes (surname unknown). > Can anyone point me in the right direction please? > Many thanks. > Cheers > > Pam > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hello again Pam You asked about your 9xggf: John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife Agnes, was baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546. Barnstaple is one of the NDRO parishes that are not yet digitised and uploaded to FMP but in the meantime GENUKI Barnstaple links to a 1903 printed transcription of Barnstaple PRs from 1538-1812 at https://archive.org/details/registerofbaptis00byubarn (The default PDF resists searching and is easier to navigate if downloaded to your hard drive but you can easily search the full-text option online, or download that too and search it with a smart wildcard text editor, and then navigate to the relevant pages of the PDF.) It includes: 1542 baptism, John, son of Ric. Beaple 1542 burial, John, son of Ric. Beaple 1546 baptism, John, son of Rich. Beapell 1550 burial, Richard Beaple 1567 baptism, Katheryne, daughter of James Beaple 1594 burial, Mrs. Angnis Beaple, widow Ancestry has 16 PCC wills for Beaple of which 10 in North Devon, including Agnes Beaple 3 Jun 1595 Barnstaple, widow, who mentions her married daughter Katherine. She also mentions a Cade family (that's "C" as handwritten in "children"). There was a marriage between Alexander BEAPLE and Annes CADE in Barnstaple in 1554 (IGI) so you need to consider how Angnis/Agnes was related to Annes. FMP has a Katherne [sic] BEAPLE, baptised Shebbear 1580. That 1595 will seems a bit late for a 1594 burial, or could that be explained (or exacerbated) by use of the Gregorian calendar? The spelling of "Agnes" is rather variable. The Devon Wills Project (free to view on FMP) lists wills that are known to have existed, giving some useful indication of who died where and when. Those Barnstaple PRs may also include variant spellings of Whythere, Whytehyere, Whyther, Whyter, Whiteheare, Whitehere, Whiteyr, Whitear, Whitter, Whithere, Wither, Whitherid, Whitehaire , etc, and may be relevant to your previous enquiry about the rector of that name. They might help to dispose of some of the inconsistent online rubbish about your Brown family. But they obviously do not include adjacent parishes like East Down that might be relevant to Barnstaple families. The usual sources do have indexed transcriptions from North Devon, probably taken from the IGI records. Finally, a few unrelated entries I noticed in the Barnstaple PRs: 1546 baptism, Annys, daughter of Cornys ys daft by the young Beapyll the millward 1599 Burial, Ellynor Pattrick, a hoore of fame In December, 1676, the frost was so great that the ouldest man then liveing then did never know the like, for it was so heard frosen that many were faine for to rost there meate fir to eat it because the[y] could not gitt watter far to boyle the pot. John Sloly, Clarke of Barnestaple. 1677 burial Mrs. Richard Roshier, widow ... And she gave me 20 shillings upon her will for a legasay and I have receaved it. And I would wish that all good Christans that are to be buried in Barnstaple that the[y] would doe the like to mee as this woman did if the[y] be abell. John Sloly, Clarke of the parish. [And a few years later he gratefully and solicitously recorded a similar legacy of £5.] Regards - Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: PMR via Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:41 PM To: 'DEVON Mailing List' Subject: [DEV] John Beaple b. 1546 in Barnstaple Greetings Listers John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife Agnes, was baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546 - he's my 9 x ggf. Apparently his eldest child, Anne (8 x ggm) was baptised in St Margaret's Northam on 7 Oct 1584. So, hoping that they did the right thing, John and his wife (name unknown) were married before that date. Given John's age at the time, this may have been a second marriage, or there may be children older than Anne. I'd also like to find the burial of John and his wife, and also any information concerning his parents Richard and Agnes (surname unknown). Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia
Greetings Listers I have found a couple of BROWN Trees on Family Search, with some of the information coinciding with some that I have for my BROWN ancestors in Devon. I have a record that Ellyn BAKER (born cir 1520) married John BROWN in Barnstaple in January 1541(2), with twins John and Mary baptised in the same Church in February, and son Thomas in April 1543. However, on the FS Trees, it lists Ellyn as being married to Thomas BAKER, not John. Both John and Thomas, listed with births in 1504 and 1515 respectively, are listed as sons of Robert BAKER (1473-1513 ie 2 years before Thomas's listed birth year) and Ann GARDINER. New info I thought - great (for a start)! But now I'm doubtful. Apart from the anomaly of Thomas's birth year and his father's death year, Ann's ancestry as given is a bit hard to comprehend as well. She is listed as having been born in 1475 (which fits OK) but to a Thomas GARDINER who died in 1449, 26 years beforehand. TG also has a listed child born 1449 which is OK, but another born in 1495 - 46 years after his death. If the 'inputter' of this Tree is reading this, I would like to make contact - we may be related - to find out sources for the early dates. Are there some sources somewhere that I haven't heard about? Many thanks Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
This is typical of the rubbish found on many trees published on the Web. I would advise trying to substantiate every 'fact' shown there and consigning any you can't to the garbage. Regards, John Moore On 21 July 2016 at 18:38, PMR via <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings Listers > > > > I have found a couple of BROWN Trees on Family Search, with > some > of the information coinciding with some that I have for my BROWN ancestors > in Devon. > > > > I have a record that Ellyn BAKER (born cir 1520) married John > BROWN in Barnstaple in January 1541(2), with twins John and Mary baptised > in > the same Church in February, and son Thomas in April 1543. > > > > However, on the FS Trees, it lists Ellyn as being married to > Thomas BAKER, not John. Both John and Thomas, listed with births in 1504 > and > 1515 respectively, are listed as sons of Robert BAKER (1473-1513 ie 2 years > before Thomas's listed birth year) and Ann GARDINER. New info I thought - > great (for a start)! But now I'm doubtful. > > > > Apart from the anomaly of Thomas's birth year and his father's > death year, Ann's ancestry as given is a bit hard to comprehend as well. > She > is listed as having been born in 1475 (which fits OK) but to a Thomas > GARDINER who died in 1449, 26 years beforehand. TG also has a listed child > born 1449 which is OK, but another born in 1495 - 46 years after his death. > > > > If the 'inputter' of this Tree is reading this, I would like to > make contact - we may be related - to find out sources for the early dates. > Are there some sources somewhere that I haven't heard about? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Cheers > > > > Pam > > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >
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After noon I received an e-mail from List Admin to say I was not subbed to Devon-L. I have never unsubbed. So some how I have become auto unsubbed. I have since tried to subscribe this am but so far no auto subscribe message has been received, it is now after lunch. Can someone please look to see if I can be manually subscribed. I am using my little Tablet, not my preferred option really. Regards Bev Edmonds
Forwarded at Bev's request as she's having problems getting this to post on Devon-L .... and I haven't seen any postings for weeks, so maybe I'm not receiving. I've just tried to search archives but get an "Internal Server Error". So I apologise if this has been posted. Louise >>> Afternoon all, Not my family. Found whilst trawling the MI's at Woodchester in Gloucestershire MI In Memory of Hannah, the wife of Sir John Wilmott PRIDEAUX, of Netherton, Devon- shire, Bart, and Daughter of William and Anne WEBB, of this Parish. She departed this Life, 1st day of July, 1789, Aged 32 years. William, her father, died Jany. 27th, 1790, aged 84 years. Regards Bev Edmonds >>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
There are trascriptions of Northam burials on Genuki Devon http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/Northam/index.html#ChurchRecords There are the following burials: 14 Jul 1625 Wilmot Beaple, wife of John. There is also a burial of John Beaple, Maryener (mariner?) 28 Feb 1629/30. If this is your John he would have been about 84. There is another possible candidate for the father of Ann: Northam 10 Jul 1557 John Bapell jun The listing of parish records held by the Record Office show that Northam marriages commence 1606 so earlier records must be lost. Joy ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 08/07/2016 - 23:41 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : [DEV] John Beaple b. 1546 in Barnstaple Greetings Listers John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife Agnes, was baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546 - he's my 9 x ggf. Apparently his eldest child, Anne (8 x ggm) was baptised in St Margaret's Northam on 7 Oct 1584. So, hoping that they did the right thing, John and his wife (name unknown) were married before that date. Given John's age at the time, this may have been a second marriage, or there may be children older than Anne. I'd also like to find the burial of John and his wife, and also any information concerning his parents Richard and Agnes (surname unknown). Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Greetings Listers John Beaple, son of Richard Beaple and his wife Agnes, was baptised in St Peter's Barnstaple on 20 Jul 1546 - he's my 9 x ggf. Apparently his eldest child, Anne (8 x ggm) was baptised in St Margaret's Northam on 7 Oct 1584. So, hoping that they did the right thing, John and his wife (name unknown) were married before that date. Given John's age at the time, this may have been a second marriage, or there may be children older than Anne. I'd also like to find the burial of John and his wife, and also any information concerning his parents Richard and Agnes (surname unknown). Can anyone point me in the right direction please? Many thanks. Cheers Pam Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Hi Pam You could try freereg.co.uk Steve Dinham
For clarity, the Place of Settlement was the parish/local authority that was responsible for social welfare, not only hard times but also old age, medical care and law and order. Usually males took their place of settlement from their father, daughters, initially from their fathers and then from their husbands. Although there was freedom of movement and employment, parishes were keen to ensure that settlers did not become a burden to the local ratepayers(local tax) and had the right to return them to their place of settlement. This system was pretty well standard throughout Europe. There were exceptions. Incomers who contributed to the rates or had a profession missing from the parish could apply for settlement. The industrial revolution and the growth of the industrial cities made the system unworkable as manufacturers demand for labour increased and it became impractical to return workers from the city to the countryside. The implication of the Familysearch document (which is also on FMP) is that this Rose Mardon was born in Ireland not in Devon. I did look for a page with the header information to confirm this related to the Ohio. A quick trawl through Family search shows that for Rose Mardons and variations there are other contenders. Cobh in the south and Derry in the north acted as hubs for both mainland Britain and Ireland with voyages originating in both places. The Titanic called in at Cobh on the way from Southampton. There was even a migration path from Hull to Liverpool using special trains to move Scandinavian emigrants, hence the number of Scandinavians on the list. The costal trade moved emigrants to the transatlantic ports and by the time of Rose's emigration the railways were also an effective way of getting to the transatlantic ports. While passenger lists and immigration documents are known to errors based mishearing, ignorance and the occasional laziness, both passenger documents show this Rose Mardon to be born in Ireland, probably of an Irish father, Both may be an error or she may have lied to take advantage of the assisted passage scheme that the Familysearch document implies. However, if she had a fiancée in the US, this should not have been necessary. From Devon there are easier routes. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce via Sent: 25 June 2016 23:25 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Help with travel records The one thing I would say, having checked the image above is that it does NOT say "last resident Ireland", it says "Last Legal Settlement Ireland". Notice also at the top, it says,"An Act for the Relief ... of the Poor". Now, I've no understanding at all of the Poor Law in Pennsylvania, but if it's anything like that in the UK, the place of settlement was where you got sent back to if you fell on hard times because they weren't paying for you here, thank you. For ordinary people, their place of settlement would start out as their birthplace and it would be quite difficult, in the absence of a long settled job, to alter it. Hence she could have been living in Liverpool but still kept her place of settlement as Ireland. Having checked on Ancestry, I find it difficult to find details of the voyage, so, on a quick glance, I can't find the route. But gut feeling is that transatlantic shipping did not start in a place like Cobh. But nothing I've seen so far comes close to *confirming* where she got on. It's perfectly possible that she sailed from Liverpool. It's just as possible that she got on at Cobh / Queenstown. Adrian ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message