Hi all, the problem is obviously much bigger than I realised, but I still have not personally seen one spam messages and I am listed with two addresses, one for list mail and one for digest, mind you I have not had a digest since 3rd August. I can see in the archive that there a lot for today. At the present time I cannot login to the Admin side of the list- page unobtainable. This from another Admin SPAM is getting through to the list. There's a temporary problem with SPAM filtering for the lists, but RootsWeb is aware of it and working on a fix. In the interim, IF I could log in to the admin pages I could filter manually, this would mean some delays between the time you post a message and it reaches the list. Please just delete any SPAM you receive without responding or commenting on the list. My apologies for any inconvenience you may experience. What you are getting is what the admins normally see when the filters are active- we then check through to ensure they are spam and then we delete them. Terry On 14-Aug-16 14:39 PM, edbar wrote: > Hi > This morning I had 21 of these spam messages, and oh yes, they are > coming via rootsweb. > 3 from Warwickshire, 10 from Devon, 6 from Boston-States and 2 from > Nfld-Lab. > Of the 21 above 15 had been caught and sent to my "Junk folder" and 6 > were in my in-basket. > Ed > > -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:25 AM > To: Devon ML > Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:12:30 +0100 > Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: > This morning I had 21 > Hello Terry, > >> I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, > > Ah, but they *are* coming via RW. Message headers show this to be so. > Ancestry admit they have issues and worryingly, admins are unable to do > anything about because Ancestry have turned of moderation. > > Further, it's no coincidence that as soon as the RootsWeb lists came > back up, my daily spam message count went up from one or two to thirty > to forty. > >> If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses > > No. That would depend on their spam filtering. Some ISPs are better at > it than others. > >> have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any >> scam messages coming from the Devon list. > > Then you're not looking in the right place. Devon is one of the worst > affected lists I'm on. >

I've had them from both Devon and Channel Islands lists. Clearly this is an attack as the spams come from a variety of alleged services, and obviously just need to be deleted untouched. But this is the first time I've seen spams clearly masquerading as from the list. Chris Graves OPC Sidbury & Salcombe Regis OPC Clyst Honiton, Clyst Hydon and Whimple Sent from my iPad > On 14 Aug 2016, at 19:51, Bill Full <[email protected]> wrote: > > Terry, > I found 30 this morning in my Spam bucket in California - all from Dev List. > So international borders make no difference! Yahoo mail servers seem to be > filtering them fairly well, however. > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of edbar > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:40 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on > > Hi > This morning I had 21 of these spam messages, and oh yes, they are coming > via rootsweb. > 3 from Warwickshire, 10 from Devon, 6 from Boston-States and 2 from > Nfld-Lab. > Of the 21 above 15 had been caught and sent to my "Junk folder" and 6 were > in my in-basket. > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Rogers > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:25 AM > To: Devon ML > Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:12:30 +0100 > Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: > This morning I had 21 > Hello Terry, > >> I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, > > Ah, but they *are* coming via RW. Message headers show this to be so. > Ancestry admit they have issues and worryingly, admins are unable to do > anything about because Ancestry have turned of moderation. > > Further, it's no coincidence that as soon as the RootsWeb lists came back > up, my daily spam message count went up from one or two to thirty to forty. > >> If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses > > No. That would depend on their spam filtering. Some ISPs are better at it > than others. > >> have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any >> scam messages coming from the Devon list. > > Then you're not looking in the right place. Devon is one of the worst > affected lists I'm on. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose Teenage Depression - > Eddie & The Hot Rods > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be > found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be > found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Brian and Terry, This is an example of the spam that's come through all afternoon -certainly looks as though its being directed through rootsweb DEVON <[email protected]>on behalf of; Estate Planning Help <[email protected]> Complete with footer: ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brian Randell Sent: Sunday, 14 August 2016 8:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on Hi Terry: Neither am I. Cheers Brian > On 13 Aug 2016, at 23:12, Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: > > I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any scam messages coming from the Devon list. > Terry > > On 13/08/2016 22:23, Beverley Edmonds wrote: >> Me Too Paul, I thought the Lists were monitored. >> >> Bev >> >> On 13-Aug-16 5:27 PM, Paul Bennett wrote: >>> I am getting lots of scam emails from people sending messages to >>> Devon Roots web What should I do? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Paul >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon >>> can be found at >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon >> can be found at >> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brian.randell ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I get hit by this FedEx Standard Overnight spam e-mail, about one day from a variety of lists. Problem is I am expecting a FedEx package and it hasn't arrived yet. It was due in yesterday. Regards, Lance -----Original Message----- From: chris graves Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 11:03 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on I've had them from both Devon and Channel Islands lists. Clearly this is an attack as the spams come from a variety of alleged services, and obviously just need to be deleted untouched. But this is the first time I've seen spams clearly masquerading as from the list. Chris Graves OPC Sidbury & Salcombe Regis OPC Clyst Honiton, Clyst Hydon and Whimple Sent from my iPad > On 14 Aug 2016, at 19:51, Bill Full <[email protected]> wrote: > > Terry, > I found 30 this morning in my Spam bucket in California - all from Dev > List. > So international borders make no difference! Yahoo mail servers seem to be > filtering them fairly well, however. > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of edbar > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:40 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on > > Hi > This morning I had 21 of these spam messages, and oh yes, they are coming > via rootsweb. > 3 from Warwickshire, 10 from Devon, 6 from Boston-States and 2 from > Nfld-Lab. > Of the 21 above 15 had been caught and sent to my "Junk folder" and 6 were > in my in-basket. > Ed > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Rogers > Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:25 AM > To: Devon ML > Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on > > On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:12:30 +0100 > Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: > This morning I had 21 > Hello Terry, > >> I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, > > Ah, but they *are* coming via RW. Message headers show this to be so. > Ancestry admit they have issues and worryingly, admins are unable to do > anything about because Ancestry have turned of moderation. > > Further, it's no coincidence that as soon as the RootsWeb lists came back > up, my daily spam message count went up from one or two to thirty to > forty. > >> If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses > > No. That would depend on their spam filtering. Some ISPs are better at > it > than others. > >> have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any >> scam messages coming from the Devon list. > > Then you're not looking in the right place. Devon is one of the worst > affected lists I'm on. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose Teenage Depression - > Eddie & The Hot Rods > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be > found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be > found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi This morning I had 21 of these spam messages, and oh yes, they are coming via rootsweb. 3 from Warwickshire, 10 from Devon, 6 from Boston-States and 2 from Nfld-Lab. Of the 21 above 15 had been caught and sent to my "Junk folder" and 6 were in my in-basket. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:25 AM To: Devon ML Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:12:30 +0100 Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: This morning I had 21 Hello Terry, >I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, Ah, but they *are* coming via RW. Message headers show this to be so. Ancestry admit they have issues and worryingly, admins are unable to do anything about because Ancestry have turned of moderation. Further, it's no coincidence that as soon as the RootsWeb lists came back up, my daily spam message count went up from one or two to thirty to forty. >If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses No. That would depend on their spam filtering. Some ISPs are better at it than others. >have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any >scam messages coming from the Devon list. Then you're not looking in the right place. Devon is one of the worst affected lists I'm on. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Terry, I found 30 this morning in my Spam bucket in California - all from Dev List. So international borders make no difference! Yahoo mail servers seem to be filtering them fairly well, however. Bill -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of edbar Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on Hi This morning I had 21 of these spam messages, and oh yes, they are coming via rootsweb. 3 from Warwickshire, 10 from Devon, 6 from Boston-States and 2 from Nfld-Lab. Of the 21 above 15 had been caught and sent to my "Junk folder" and 6 were in my in-basket. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:25 AM To: Devon ML Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:12:30 +0100 Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: This morning I had 21 Hello Terry, >I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, Ah, but they *are* coming via RW. Message headers show this to be so. Ancestry admit they have issues and worryingly, admins are unable to do anything about because Ancestry have turned of moderation. Further, it's no coincidence that as soon as the RootsWeb lists came back up, my daily spam message count went up from one or two to thirty to forty. >If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses No. That would depend on their spam filtering. Some ISPs are better at it than others. >have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any >scam messages coming from the Devon list. Then you're not looking in the right place. Devon is one of the worst affected lists I'm on. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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I guess not all of us is getting the spam as badly either. I get some on various lists, not all of them and not as severely as others. Very strange. Regards, Lance -----Original Message----- From: edbar Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 6:39 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on Hi This morning I had 21 of these spam messages, and oh yes, they are coming via rootsweb. 3 from Warwickshire, 10 from Devon, 6 from Boston-States and 2 from Nfld-Lab. Of the 21 above 15 had been caught and sent to my "Junk folder" and 6 were in my in-basket. Ed -----Original Message----- From: Brad Rogers Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 3:25 AM To: Devon ML Subject: Re: [DEV] What's going on On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:12:30 +0100 Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: This morning I had 21 Hello Terry, >I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, Ah, but they *are* coming via RW. Message headers show this to be so. Ancestry admit they have issues and worryingly, admins are unable to do anything about because Ancestry have turned of moderation. Further, it's no coincidence that as soon as the RootsWeb lists came back up, my daily spam message count went up from one or two to thirty to forty. >If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses No. That would depend on their spam filtering. Some ISPs are better at it than others. >have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any >scam messages coming from the Devon list. Then you're not looking in the right place. Devon is one of the worst affected lists I'm on. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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On Sat, 13 Aug 2016 23:12:30 +0100 Terry Leaman <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Terry, >I think it very unlikely that the messages are coming through Rootsweb, Ah, but they *are* coming via RW. Message headers show this to be so. Ancestry admit they have issues and worryingly, admins are unable to do anything about because Ancestry have turned of moderation. Further, it's no coincidence that as soon as the RootsWeb lists came back up, my daily spam message count went up from one or two to thirty to forty. >If they were everyone would get them. More likely that their addresses No. That would depend on their spam filtering. Some ISPs are better at it than others. >have been hacked and used. I, as one of the admins, am not seeing any >scam messages coming from the Devon list. Then you're not looking in the right place. Devon is one of the worst affected lists I'm on. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" I'm spending all my money and it's going up my nose Teenage Depression - Eddie & The Hot Rods

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