Hello Paul On 29 September 2016 at 10:23, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > Pre 1858 wills, like England, were probated in ecclesiastical courts based > on bishoprics.. A number of sees cross the border. Derry, for example, > includes a chunk of north-west Donegal. > For Ireland, you need to know at least the county to know which database to > use. Would I be correct in thinking that it would only be the Church of Ireland that would have been allowed to administer wills prior to 1858, or would I need to investigate RC sources as well. I know that there was a marriage licence issued to Simon Cockeram and Mary Cosgrave by the diocese of Cloyne in 1814. I've not found the marriage itself in any of Church of Ireland Cloyne parishes as yet. I have a suspicion that Simon was C of E but that the Cosgraves were RC. I have however found one record that looks interesting at https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/68e5240076215 The Thomas Edwards who married Mary Cosgrave after Simon Cochrane's death was an engineer and they lived most of the 1820s and 1830s in Bristol. I wonder whether an engineer in the 1820s or 1830s is likely to be connected with the railways or whether those dates are too early. Regards Peter

Hello Bev, Thanks for the replies. I think these are post-1858 wills. I suspect that the coverage may be different between the Republic and Ulster sites, particularly for wills proved after partition. I see that there is a searchable list of wills through FMP and Ancestry - I suspect this is the 1484-1858 list referred to from http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy1/genealogy-records/wills-testamentary-records/ - but I am not sure how comprehensive the list is, or whether the wills themselves still exist Regards Peter On 29 September 2016 at 04:30, B. Edmonds <[email protected]> wrote: > Goodness me, there seems to be 2 different ways at getting to entries. I > could not find what I had found yesterday which was very frustrating, so in > case some one else is having the same problem. > > http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp > > http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx > > I used Google search. > > Regards > Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:18 PM > To: "Beverley Edmonds" <[email protected]> > Subject: Ireland Will Calenders > >> https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars >> > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message

PLEASE NOTE, as from today Plymouth & West Devon Record Office has a new website address- https://plymhearts.org/archives/ Terry

Goodness me, there seems to be 2 different ways at getting to entries. I could not find what I had found yesterday which was very frustrating, so in case some one else is having the same problem. http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx I used Google search. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:18 PM To: "Beverley Edmonds" <[email protected]> Subject: Ireland Will Calenders > https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars >

On this page one can search -- Name of Executor/Beneficiary http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp Regards Bev Edmonds

Bev, The clue is in the web addresses, ".ie" is the Republic of Ireland and ".gov.uk" is Northern Ireland, part of the UK. While there have been a number of initiatives to provide single source records including Parish Records, the remaining Census and Griffiths, many government records are held in their respective archives. Some pre 1923 records(Army) are held in London. The archives do co-operate with common guidance leaflets and do try and give single access but there are different data protection rules in each country. Pre 1858 wills, like England, were probated in ecclesiastical courts based on bishoprics.. A number of sees cross the border. Derry, for example, includes a chunk of north-west Donegal. For Ireland, you need to know at least the county to know which database to use. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 29 September 2016 04:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Ireland Will Calenders Goodness me, there seems to be 2 different ways at getting to entries. I could not find what I had found yesterday which was very frustrating, so in case some one else is having the same problem. http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx I used Google search. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:18 PM To: "Beverley Edmonds" <[email protected]> Subject: Ireland Will Calenders > https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Ho Peter Look around here https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/captcha.jsp or www.IrishGenealogy.ie. Otherwise I cannot help. Also, Try Familysearch.org. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter J Richardson" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:11 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DEV] Calendar of Wills - Ireland > Thanks Bev, > > I see that these are wills for 1858 onwards. My Devon related interest is > in > the Irish wife of Sargeant Simon Cockran of Silverton. After his death at > Waterloo in 1815 it seems that she remained in England, living in Bristol > in > the 1820s with her second husband Thomas EDWARDS (an engineer) and then > London. On the occasion of her third marriage, in 1849, she described her > father as James Cosgrave, gentleman, deceased. So I am looking for an > Irish > gentleman named James COSGRAVE, probably a Roman Catholic, probably in > County Cork in Ireland before 1849. > > Regards > Peter > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Beverley Edmonds > Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 21:28 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] Calendar of Wills - Ireland > > In case some one does not know about Ireland Wills Abstracts > > http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp > > Bev > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7226 / Virus Database: 4656/13107 - Release Date: 09/28/16 >

Thanks Bev, I see that these are wills for 1858 onwards. My Devon related interest is in the Irish wife of Sargeant Simon Cockran of Silverton. After his death at Waterloo in 1815 it seems that she remained in England, living in Bristol in the 1820s with her second husband Thomas EDWARDS (an engineer) and then London. On the occasion of her third marriage, in 1849, she described her father as James Cosgrave, gentleman, deceased. So I am looking for an Irish gentleman named James COSGRAVE, probably a Roman Catholic, probably in County Cork in Ireland before 1849. Regards Peter -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beverley Edmonds Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 21:28 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Calendar of Wills - Ireland In case some one does not know about Ireland Wills Abstracts http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp Bev

In case some one does not know about Ireland Wills Abstracts http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/home.jsp Bev

Edna. The Board of Trade were responsible for regulating the merchant navy including certificates of competency. They were also responsible for accident investigation and regulations regarding seaworthiness. In theory their records are held at the National Archives (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ ) but many of the certificates, crew lists and other information ended up at the National Maritime Museum (http://www.rmg.co.uk/national-maritime-museum ). The Maritime History Archive in Newfoundland (https://www.mun.ca/mha/ ) also has some records. Some port records remain in local archives. The ones I have seen mostly relate to customs records. Comings and goings and cargoes were mostly reported in local newspapers. Like everything else not all records survive. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of liverpud Sent: 26 September 2016 17:08 To: DEVON-L; Elizabeth Howard Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Thank you Elizabeth, will go through these. Being a merchant sailor I was checking ports, ships and especially those that go "down". That Ebenezer is his brother and was quite the sailor too. What voyages they had. Will keep looking. With appreciation, Edna - sunny Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 11:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Hi Edna , this is in some Dorchester website which I found via good old google and it is interesting , but it says nothing of his death so the search goes on ........ 17 May 1821 - John KEATES married Ann SQUIBB [Note:- John KEATS (1774-1832) was aged 47 when he married Ann SQUIBB (1796-1834) who was 25. John died at the age of 58 being buried at St Peters Church in Dorchester on 9th Dec 1832 followed by Ann who was still only 38 when she was buried with him on 3rd Dec 1834. Known children from this marriage were :- (1) Mary (1821-1827) born 12 Dec 1821 bap at Durngate Independent Church Dorchester 13 Dec 1821 and died at the age of 5 being buried at St Peters on 11 Feb 1827 (2) Henry John (b.1823) (See comments at his baptism) born 10th Oct 1823 and bap at Durngate on 14th Oct 1823 (3) Ebenezar (1825-1826) born 13th Sep 1825, bap at Durngate on 22nd Sep 1825 and buried at St Peters Church on 31 Dec 1826 (4) Ebenezar (1828-aft 1883) born in the parish of St Peters Dorchester on 6th Jan 1828, and baptised at Durngate Independent church on 4th Feb 1828.(5) Richard Squibb born 29th Aug 1829 and bap at Durngate on 13th Dec 1929. (4) Ebenezar KEATS became a merchant seaman; his service record shows he sailed on the following vessels:- The "Dochforce" out of Bristol as a boy for 3 years 9 months. The "Britannia " out of Bristol as an Ordinary Seaman on 20th Nov 1844, disembarking at Bristol on 9th April 1845 and sailed again until 21 Aug 1845. The "Rankin" out of Glasgow as an Ordinary Seaman until he sailed on The "Victoria" out of Bristol from 11th Feb 1846 until 4th Feb 1847 as an Ordinary Seaman. The "Ocean Queen" from March 1848 to Dec 1848 as 2nd Mate The "Sarah Maria Ann" for just over 5 months as 2nd Mate Then "James Daly" out of Bristol as mate heading for the west coast of Africa in May 1851 until July 1852. A Certificate of Ordinary Examination No. 05112 issued 19th Aug 1852 when his address was 8 Grove Parade Redlands Bristol and his birth given as 6th Jan 1828 at Dorchester Dorset A Masters Certificate was issued the following day under number 1698. He was then mate on the "Clara Symes" out of Bristol heading for Australia arriving in 1853. There is no record of subsequent voyages recorded until 1872 but a passenger & crew list exists on Ancestry dated 6th Sep 1869 for the ship "Black Dog" 142 tons belonging to the port of Sydney for an Ebenezar Keats Mate age 41 born Dorchester port of departure South Sea Islands arriving at Sydney. Master of the "Eliza J Bateson" out of Sydney which sailed for South Sea Island 25th Dec 1872 until Sep 1873. He appears to have emigrated to Australia where he married as there is correspondence on ancestry in their "Masters and Mates Certificates file" showing that his wife, who was living in Sydney New South Wales, lost his Masters Certificate which he had left with her when he joined as mate on the "Defiance" in 1873. There is a marriage registration in 1871 for an Ebenezar Keats marrying a Sarah Curtis in Sydney (8438) which might be her. Although not in his service records other passenger list exists on ancestry (1) dated 9th May 1874 for the ship "Record" of 436 tons out of Glasgow James Dalton the Master where Ebenezar Keats was recorded as being Mate aged 45 of Dorchester which sailed from Java to Sydney arriving on the 9th May 1874 (2) dated 1st Feb 1877 for the "Royal Duke" of 105 tons sailing from the port of Normanton to Sydney with Ebenezar Keats as mate aged 48 from London He joined the "City of Manchester" out of Glasgow as Chief Officer (Mate) at Sydney on 17th Apr 1878 traveling to Liverpool via Manilla arriving on 22nd Feb 1879. He was still corresponding with the Board of Trade up to 27th May 1881 when he was based at Shanghai in China] (5) Richard Squibb KEATS also became a seaman: his record shows that he went to sea as an apprentice in 1845:- The "St Vincent belonging to the port of Bristol as an apprentice for 5 years The "William Thompson" out of Bristol 223 tons served as apprentice and then appointed 2nd Mate sailing to Contantinople from 29th Aug 1849 to 14th Mar 1850 The "Alann" out of Bristol 109 tons as Chief Mate bound for oporto from 18th Apr 1850 to 3rd Sep 1850 31 Dec 1851 - Granted Mates Certificate by the Board of Trade for foreign trade Certificate 62.502 states born 29th Aug 1829 at Dorchester Dorset temporary address Durdham Down near Bristol 12 Feb 1852 - Granted Masters Certificate by the Board of Trade for Foreign Trade Ticket 172365 refers to Cert 62.502 -----Original Message----- From: liverpud Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Trying to locate this fellow, seems he went "missing" and have not found any record of death at home or at sea. The family had connections to the Worth family of Bristol and Exeter. He sailed on many ships throughout his short career. Will/Probate: at First Avenue House, London. Richard Squibb Keats of Crosby Villa, Southville, Bedminster, Bristol, master mariner, died in or since Oct. 1867 at --- prob. 15 Oct. 1869, by Francis Oliver Worth (Eliza Louisa's brother) one of the executors. Under 300 **** no GRO entry. Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Paul, I do have most of this but will contact, as you suggested, the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich. The Richard Keates you mentioned was bapt. at Corfe Castle in 1793 and passed away in Wareham in 1868. Perhaps he was an Uncle as the name Richard seems to be passed on. There was a brother of RS Keates (1829- ) named Ebenezer who sailed around the world and eventually emigrated to Australia had a son there named also RS Keates. My Keates were connected to the Dorchester Independent Church and were, I think, non-conformist so their records might not be in with the Church of England records. Will let you know what I find. Thanks all for your kind help. With appreciation, Edna - sunny Ottawa

Edna The term master mariner usually meets a captain in the merchant navy. My first suggestion would be the National Maritime Museum at Greenwich http://www.rmg.co.uk/national-maritime-museum/caird-library I find their online catalogue a bit hit and miss. So I suggest e-mailing them. As well as his service record they hold records of deaths at sea and shipwrecks. I looked at FMP newspaper collection and found the following. "Sherborne Mercury March 3, 1863 the election of candidates till the two vacancies in the Foundation School, There was but one applicant, the son of Richard Keats, mariner, and he was duly elected.". The BDMs has First name(s) Richard Last name Keats Age 74 Birth year 1794 Death year 1868 Burial year 1868 Burial date 15 Jan 1868 Place Wareham, St Mary County Dorset Country England Source Family Search Record set Dorset Burials Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom First name(s) RICHARD Last name KEATS Gender Male Birth day - Birth month - Birth year - Age - Death quarter 3 Death year 1864 District WEYMOUTH County Dorset Volume 5A Page 197 Country England Record set England & Wales deaths 1837-2007 Category Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) Subcategory Deaths & burials Collections from United Kingdom I also noticed a Richard Squibb Keats was living in Australia. Perhaps a son. Did Richard snr die in Australia. Probate would still be required in the UK. FMP: First name(s) Richard Last name Keats Title Capt Departure port - Arrival year 1862 Arrival month Nov Arrival port - Ship name Bristolian State Victoria Record set Victoria inward passenger lists 1839-1923 Category Immigration & Travel Subcategory Passenger lists Collections from Australia & New Zealand First name(s) Richard Last name Keats Birth year 1829 Birth date 29 Aug 1829 Birth place Dorchester Birth county/country Dorsetshire Archive The National Archives Series BT113 Piece number 87 Date range 1845-1854 Record set Britain, merchant seamen, 1835-1857 Category Education & work Subcategory Merchant navy & maritime Collections from United Kingdom Image says he lived in Bristol when not at sea. Overseas deaths and deaths at sea should have been reported to the local consul who reported them back to the UK. There is an index but I can't remember where it is. I suspect that if he did not die at home his death would be recorded as Richard Keats and further investigation may require sight of (expensive) certificates. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of liverpud Sent: 25 September 2016 17:31 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Trying to locate this fellow, seems he went "missing" and have not found any record of death at home or at sea. The family had connections to the Worth family of Bristol and Exeter. He sailed on many ships throughout his short career. Will/Probate: at First Avenue House, London. Richard Squibb Keats of Crosby Villa, Southville, Bedminster, Bristol, master mariner, died in or since Oct. 1867 at --- prob. 15 Oct. 1869, by Francis Oliver Worth (Eliza Louisa's brother) one of the executors. Under 300 **** no GRO entry. Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

No , I can`t even find him in the National Archives, nor Britishnewspapersarchive nor any other source like the London Gazette etc. Lloyds lists , he must have been a mariner as it says in the 1861 census rather than a merchant seaman or a RN sailor . But his will seems to prove he was dead in Oct 1867 and the probate waits 2 years for this to be administered. Did you find Eliza Louisa in the 1871 as a widow ? -----Original Message----- From: liverpud Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Trying to locate this fellow, seems he went "missing" and have not found any record of death at home or at sea. The family had connections to the Worth family of Bristol and Exeter. He sailed on many ships throughout his short career. Will/Probate: at First Avenue House, London. Richard Squibb Keats of Crosby Villa, Southville, Bedminster, Bristol, master mariner, died in or since Oct. 1867 at --- prob. 15 Oct. 1869, by Francis Oliver Worth (Eliza Louisa's brother) one of the executors. Under 300 **** no GRO entry. Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi Edna , this is in some Dorchester website which I found via good old google and it is interesting , but it says nothing of his death so the search goes on ........ 17 May 1821 - John KEATES married Ann SQUIBB [Note:- John KEATS (1774-1832) was aged 47 when he married Ann SQUIBB (1796-1834) who was 25. John died at the age of 58 being buried at St Peters Church in Dorchester on 9th Dec 1832 followed by Ann who was still only 38 when she was buried with him on 3rd Dec 1834. Known children from this marriage were :- (1) Mary (1821-1827) born 12 Dec 1821 bap at Durngate Independent Church Dorchester 13 Dec 1821 and died at the age of 5 being buried at St Peters on 11 Feb 1827 (2) Henry John (b.1823) (See comments at his baptism) born 10th Oct 1823 and bap at Durngate on 14th Oct 1823 (3) Ebenezar (1825-1826) born 13th Sep 1825, bap at Durngate on 22nd Sep 1825 and buried at St Peters Church on 31 Dec 1826 (4) Ebenezar (1828-aft 1883) born in the parish of St Peters Dorchester on 6th Jan 1828, and baptised at Durngate Independent church on 4th Feb 1828.(5) Richard Squibb born 29th Aug 1829 and bap at Durngate on 13th Dec 1929. (4) Ebenezar KEATS became a merchant seaman; his service record shows he sailed on the following vessels:- The "Dochforce" out of Bristol as a boy for 3 years 9 months. The "Britannia " out of Bristol as an Ordinary Seaman on 20th Nov 1844, disembarking at Bristol on 9th April 1845 and sailed again until 21 Aug 1845. The "Rankin" out of Glasgow as an Ordinary Seaman until he sailed on The "Victoria" out of Bristol from 11th Feb 1846 until 4th Feb 1847 as an Ordinary Seaman. The "Ocean Queen" from March 1848 to Dec 1848 as 2nd Mate The "Sarah Maria Ann" for just over 5 months as 2nd Mate Then "James Daly" out of Bristol as mate heading for the west coast of Africa in May 1851 until July 1852. A Certificate of Ordinary Examination No. 05112 issued 19th Aug 1852 when his address was 8 Grove Parade Redlands Bristol and his birth given as 6th Jan 1828 at Dorchester Dorset A Masters Certificate was issued the following day under number 1698. He was then mate on the "Clara Symes" out of Bristol heading for Australia arriving in 1853. There is no record of subsequent voyages recorded until 1872 but a passenger & crew list exists on Ancestry dated 6th Sep 1869 for the ship "Black Dog" 142 tons belonging to the port of Sydney for an Ebenezar Keats Mate age 41 born Dorchester port of departure South Sea Islands arriving at Sydney. Master of the "Eliza J Bateson" out of Sydney which sailed for South Sea Island 25th Dec 1872 until Sep 1873. He appears to have emigrated to Australia where he married as there is correspondence on ancestry in their "Masters and Mates Certificates file" showing that his wife, who was living in Sydney New South Wales, lost his Masters Certificate which he had left with her when he joined as mate on the "Defiance" in 1873. There is a marriage registration in 1871 for an Ebenezar Keats marrying a Sarah Curtis in Sydney (8438) which might be her. Although not in his service records other passenger list exists on ancestry (1) dated 9th May 1874 for the ship "Record" of 436 tons out of Glasgow James Dalton the Master where Ebenezar Keats was recorded as being Mate aged 45 of Dorchester which sailed from Java to Sydney arriving on the 9th May 1874 (2) dated 1st Feb 1877 for the "Royal Duke" of 105 tons sailing from the port of Normanton to Sydney with Ebenezar Keats as mate aged 48 from London He joined the "City of Manchester" out of Glasgow as Chief Officer (Mate) at Sydney on 17th Apr 1878 traveling to Liverpool via Manilla arriving on 22nd Feb 1879. He was still corresponding with the Board of Trade up to 27th May 1881 when he was based at Shanghai in China] (5) Richard Squibb KEATS also became a seaman: his record shows that he went to sea as an apprentice in 1845:- The "St Vincent belonging to the port of Bristol as an apprentice for 5 years The "William Thompson" out of Bristol 223 tons served as apprentice and then appointed 2nd Mate sailing to Contantinople from 29th Aug 1849 to 14th Mar 1850 The "Alann" out of Bristol 109 tons as Chief Mate bound for oporto from 18th Apr 1850 to 3rd Sep 1850 31 Dec 1851 - Granted Mates Certificate by the Board of Trade for foreign trade Certificate 62.502 states born 29th Aug 1829 at Dorchester Dorset temporary address Durdham Down near Bristol 12 Feb 1852 - Granted Masters Certificate by the Board of Trade for Foreign Trade Ticket 172365 refers to Cert 62.502 -----Original Message----- From: liverpud Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Trying to locate this fellow, seems he went "missing" and have not found any record of death at home or at sea. The family had connections to the Worth family of Bristol and Exeter. He sailed on many ships throughout his short career. Will/Probate: at First Avenue House, London. Richard Squibb Keats of Crosby Villa, Southville, Bedminster, Bristol, master mariner, died in or since Oct. 1867 at --- prob. 15 Oct. 1869, by Francis Oliver Worth (Eliza Louisa's brother) one of the executors. Under 300 **** no GRO entry. Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

His wife, Eliza Louisa née Worth (1835-1901) had a son Henry John Keats circa April 1867, therefore, the father RS Keats was around in mid-year 1866. Noticed that she was a Widow on the '71 Census living on Queen Sq. Bristol. Mystery, Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 12:20 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) No , I can`t even find him in the National Archives, nor Britishnewspapersarchive nor any other source like the London Gazette etc. Lloyds lists , he must have been a mariner as it says in the 1861 census rather than a merchant seaman or a RN sailor . But his will seems to prove he was dead in Oct 1867 and the probate waits 2 years for this to be administered. Did you find Eliza Louisa in the 1871 as a widow ? -----Original Message----- From: liverpud Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Trying to locate this fellow, seems he went "missing" and have not found any record of death at home or at sea. The family had connections to the Worth family of Bristol and Exeter. He sailed on many ships throughout his short career. Will/Probate: at First Avenue House, London. Richard Squibb Keats of Crosby Villa, Southville, Bedminster, Bristol, master mariner, died in or since Oct. 1867 at --- prob. 15 Oct. 1869, by Francis Oliver Worth (Eliza Louisa's brother) one of the executors. Under 300 **** no GRO entry. Edna - Ottawa

Thank you Elizabeth, will go through these. Being a merchant sailor I was checking ports, ships and especially those that go "down". That Ebenezer is his brother and was quite the sailor too. What voyages they had. Will keep looking. With appreciation, Edna - sunny Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Monday, September 26, 2016 11:55 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Hi Edna , this is in some Dorchester website which I found via good old google and it is interesting , but it says nothing of his death so the search goes on ........ 17 May 1821 - John KEATES married Ann SQUIBB [Note:- John KEATS (1774-1832) was aged 47 when he married Ann SQUIBB (1796-1834) who was 25. John died at the age of 58 being buried at St Peters Church in Dorchester on 9th Dec 1832 followed by Ann who was still only 38 when she was buried with him on 3rd Dec 1834. Known children from this marriage were :- (1) Mary (1821-1827) born 12 Dec 1821 bap at Durngate Independent Church Dorchester 13 Dec 1821 and died at the age of 5 being buried at St Peters on 11 Feb 1827 (2) Henry John (b.1823) (See comments at his baptism) born 10th Oct 1823 and bap at Durngate on 14th Oct 1823 (3) Ebenezar (1825-1826) born 13th Sep 1825, bap at Durngate on 22nd Sep 1825 and buried at St Peters Church on 31 Dec 1826 (4) Ebenezar (1828-aft 1883) born in the parish of St Peters Dorchester on 6th Jan 1828, and baptised at Durngate Independent church on 4th Feb 1828.(5) Richard Squibb born 29th Aug 1829 and bap at Durngate on 13th Dec 1929. (4) Ebenezar KEATS became a merchant seaman; his service record shows he sailed on the following vessels:- The "Dochforce" out of Bristol as a boy for 3 years 9 months. The "Britannia " out of Bristol as an Ordinary Seaman on 20th Nov 1844, disembarking at Bristol on 9th April 1845 and sailed again until 21 Aug 1845. The "Rankin" out of Glasgow as an Ordinary Seaman until he sailed on The "Victoria" out of Bristol from 11th Feb 1846 until 4th Feb 1847 as an Ordinary Seaman. The "Ocean Queen" from March 1848 to Dec 1848 as 2nd Mate The "Sarah Maria Ann" for just over 5 months as 2nd Mate Then "James Daly" out of Bristol as mate heading for the west coast of Africa in May 1851 until July 1852. A Certificate of Ordinary Examination No. 05112 issued 19th Aug 1852 when his address was 8 Grove Parade Redlands Bristol and his birth given as 6th Jan 1828 at Dorchester Dorset A Masters Certificate was issued the following day under number 1698. He was then mate on the "Clara Symes" out of Bristol heading for Australia arriving in 1853. There is no record of subsequent voyages recorded until 1872 but a passenger & crew list exists on Ancestry dated 6th Sep 1869 for the ship "Black Dog" 142 tons belonging to the port of Sydney for an Ebenezar Keats Mate age 41 born Dorchester port of departure South Sea Islands arriving at Sydney. Master of the "Eliza J Bateson" out of Sydney which sailed for South Sea Island 25th Dec 1872 until Sep 1873. He appears to have emigrated to Australia where he married as there is correspondence on ancestry in their "Masters and Mates Certificates file" showing that his wife, who was living in Sydney New South Wales, lost his Masters Certificate which he had left with her when he joined as mate on the "Defiance" in 1873. There is a marriage registration in 1871 for an Ebenezar Keats marrying a Sarah Curtis in Sydney (8438) which might be her. Although not in his service records other passenger list exists on ancestry (1) dated 9th May 1874 for the ship "Record" of 436 tons out of Glasgow James Dalton the Master where Ebenezar Keats was recorded as being Mate aged 45 of Dorchester which sailed from Java to Sydney arriving on the 9th May 1874 (2) dated 1st Feb 1877 for the "Royal Duke" of 105 tons sailing from the port of Normanton to Sydney with Ebenezar Keats as mate aged 48 from London He joined the "City of Manchester" out of Glasgow as Chief Officer (Mate) at Sydney on 17th Apr 1878 traveling to Liverpool via Manilla arriving on 22nd Feb 1879. He was still corresponding with the Board of Trade up to 27th May 1881 when he was based at Shanghai in China] (5) Richard Squibb KEATS also became a seaman: his record shows that he went to sea as an apprentice in 1845:- The "St Vincent belonging to the port of Bristol as an apprentice for 5 years The "William Thompson" out of Bristol 223 tons served as apprentice and then appointed 2nd Mate sailing to Contantinople from 29th Aug 1849 to 14th Mar 1850 The "Alann" out of Bristol 109 tons as Chief Mate bound for oporto from 18th Apr 1850 to 3rd Sep 1850 31 Dec 1851 - Granted Mates Certificate by the Board of Trade for foreign trade Certificate 62.502 states born 29th Aug 1829 at Dorchester Dorset temporary address Durdham Down near Bristol 12 Feb 1852 - Granted Masters Certificate by the Board of Trade for Foreign Trade Ticket 172365 refers to Cert 62.502 -----Original Message----- From: liverpud Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2016 5:30 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Richard Squibb Keats (1829--c1867....) Trying to locate this fellow, seems he went "missing" and have not found any record of death at home or at sea. The family had connections to the Worth family of Bristol and Exeter. He sailed on many ships throughout his short career. Will/Probate: at First Avenue House, London. Richard Squibb Keats of Crosby Villa, Southville, Bedminster, Bristol, master mariner, died in or since Oct. 1867 at --- prob. 15 Oct. 1869, by Francis Oliver Worth (Eliza Louisa's brother) one of the executors. Under 300 **** no GRO entry. Edna - Ottawa ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to connect with anyone who is researching any of the names HOCKIN, POUND & HEDDON around the Milton Damerel area in the 1800's & 1700's, especially in Thornbury, where my Hockin people were concentrated from the late 1700's or the first decade of the 1800's. I would even like to connect with people researching those names in the greater north Devon area, not just near Milton Damerel or Thornbury. My specific connection to this area and those names is via Sarah Grace Hockin, b. 1855 Thornbury, died 1926 in Ontario, Canada. She married John Toms (born near Lantaglos-by-Camelford, Cornwall) in 1878 in Mahamchurch, Cornwall.

Thanks so much for that Bev - so some did get found out! -----Original Message----- From: Beverley Edmonds Subject: [DEV] John ROWE and Charlotte AUSTEN Not my family, but an interesting article. The Royal Cornwall Gazette, Falmouth Pocket, and General Advertiser Friday, May 8, 1854 Proceedings under the Marriage Act John ROWE, of St Germans, was recently brought up at devonport Guildhall under a warrant on a charge of having procured marriage with one Charlotte AUSTEN, at the parish church of Stoke Damerel, upon false represententations. There is a lenghy description about the Marriage Act. he married Charlotte AUSTEN [AUSTIN on FreeBMD] 24th dec. 1853 At the time he had resided at 26 Duke Street, Devonport for 6 months. Charlotte said that she had resided there for 10 years, which was not the case [witnesses], neither had ever lived there. He should show that John Rowe had resided at Hessenford, in the parish of St. Germans, in the County of Cornwall; and that neither of the parties was an inhabitant of Devonport; that on the 26th Nov. last the defendant went to " Military Hospiatl Inn, " at Stoke, whence his request a notice of banns of marriage between Charlotte AUSTEN was forwarded to the church, and that on the day of the marriage the description set forth in the notice, etc etc. Witness statements from Mr. John SYMONS, parish clerk follows etc. etc Thomas LANE, boot and shoemaker of 26, Duke, Street --- lived there for thrity years and had never seen either John ROWE or Charlotte AUSTEN John BARTLETT, , renting part of 26, Duke street, resided there for 17 months....ditto Sarah GRAHAM, wife of John GRAHAM, resided there for seven months .........ditto Ann LUSCOMBE, also resided in part of 26 Duke Stret, for seven months......ditto Mary THOMAS, another tenant of the house at 26, Duke street, had resided there 14 years.............ditto Mary Ann JOPE, rented the tenenant attached to the house of 26 Duke street, for 2 years...................ditto Mary WILLIAMSON, wife of Mr. WILLIAMSON, landlord of the Military Hospital Inn at Stoke....she becomes involved with the banns book and has a lengthy statement. Uncle to Charlotte AUSTEN is William AUSTEN, an old gentleman also in attendance at the hearing. Nicholas BRENT apprehended the defendant at Hessenford, about 2 miles from St Germans. John ROWE is aged 31 years The defendant was committed to trial at next Assizes at Exeter.

Trying to locate this fellow, seems he went "missing" and have not found any record of death at home or at sea. The family had connections to the Worth family of Bristol and Exeter. He sailed on many ships throughout his short career. Will/Probate: at First Avenue House, London. Richard Squibb Keats of Crosby Villa, Southville, Bedminster, Bristol, master mariner, died in or since Oct. 1867 at --- prob. 15 Oct. 1869, by Francis Oliver Worth (Eliza Louisa's brother) one of the executors. Under 300 **** no GRO entry. Edna - Ottawa

Not my family, but an interesting article. The Royal Cornwall Gazette, Falmouth Pocket, and General Advertiser Friday, May 8, 1854 Proceedings under the Marriage Act John ROWE, of St Germans, was recently brought up at devonport Guildhall under a warrant on a charge of having procured marriage with one Charlotte AUSTEN, at the parish church of Stoke Damerel, upon false represententations. There is a lenghy description about the Marriage Act. he married Charlotte AUSTEN [AUSTIN on FreeBMD] 24th dec. 1853 At the time he had resided at 26 Duke Street, Devonport for 6 months. Charlotte said that she had resided there for 10 years, which was not the case [witnesses], neither had ever lived there. He should show that John Rowe had resided at Hessenford, in the parish of St. Germans, in the County of Cornwall; and that neither of the parties was an inhabitant of Devonport; that on the 26th Nov. last the defendant went to " Military Hospiatl Inn, " at Stoke, whence his request a notice of banns of marriage between Charlotte AUSTEN was forwarded to the church, and that on the day of the marriage the description set forth in the notice, etc etc. Witness statements from Mr. John SYMONS, parish clerk follows etc. etc Thomas LANE, boot and shoemaker of 26, Duke, Street --- lived there for thrity years and had never seen either John ROWE or Charlotte AUSTEN John BARTLETT, , renting part of 26, Duke street, resided there for 17 months....ditto Sarah GRAHAM, wife of John GRAHAM, resided there for seven months .........ditto Ann LUSCOMBE, also resided in part of 26 Duke Stret, for seven months......ditto Mary THOMAS, another tenant of the house at 26, Duke street, had resided there 14 years.............ditto Mary Ann JOPE, rented the tenenant attached to the house of 26 Duke street, for 2 years...................ditto Mary WILLIAMSON, wife of Mr. WILLIAMSON, landlord of the Military Hospital Inn at Stoke....she becomes involved with the banns book and has a lengthy statement. Uncle to Charlotte AUSTEN is William AUSTEN, an old gentleman also in attendance at the hearing. Nicholas BRENT apprehended the defendant at Hessenford, about 2 miles from St Germans. John ROWE is aged 31 years The defendant was committed to trial at next Assizes at Exeter. Very interesting and makes one wonder how many did not get caught. Regards Bev Excuse any spelling mistakes, typed in a hurry.