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Just in case any one has missed this annoucement. Births & Deaths - Extra Indexes and Temporary Price Cuts Major changes are about to affect our access to records of births and deaths in England & Wales. Indexes Until recently, the only way to consult indexes of birth and death registrations online and free of charge was by visiting the FreeBMD website. FreeBMD will continue to be useful to many researchers. However, for some searches, newly released indexes on the General Register Office (GRO) site will also be helpful. They cover these periods: · Births (July 1837-December 1915) · Deaths (July 1837-December 1957) Unlike all other indexes, the new GRO ones include these details for all years back to 1837: · Births = the mother's maiden name · Deaths = the age at death. The new GRO indexes are very cumbersome to use as you have to specify the year (plus or minus up to only 2 years) and also the gender of the person concerned. Temporary price cuts The GRO is now legally able to issue registration information other than as a certificate. As a pilot service, it intends to make information available in PDF form. Phase 1 of the new service starts on 9 November 2016 and will run for up to 3 weeks. It will test demand for uncertificated copies of the civil registration entries that are already digitised (i.e. birth entries recorded 1837 – 1934 and death entries recorded 1837 – 1957), in addition to those much more recent birth, death, marriage and civil partnership records which were also recorded directly onto the registration service online system. The application must be submitted online and contain a GRO reference. These PDFs will cost £6. This phase of the pilot will close after 3 weeks or when 45,000 PDFs have been ordered, whichever comes soonest. Further phases will follow and are described in detail on the GRO site. So, if you want details of such births and deaths, you can get them for £6.00, instead of £9.25 - but only for a very short time. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi: Rather than just a test message, here is the message I should have been able to send out on Devon-L 10 days ago! GENUKI/Devon - What’s New Oct 2016 Major additions: • Barnstaple: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • Crediton: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • Great Torrington: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • South Molton: Marriages 1811-1837 - transcript Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html

Did not receive original but have received many confirmations of receipt. Pam S -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Apps Sent: 10 November 2016 08:55 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] TEST Yes received message Apps. -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Leaman Sent: 09 November 2016 21:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] TEST Test message. Terry ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes received message Apps. -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Leaman Sent: 09 November 2016 21:02 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] TEST Test message. Terry ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Passed the test in Tasmania. Ray On 10/11/2016 8:01 AM, Terry Leaman wrote: > Test message. > > Terry > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Received, thanks, Terry

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On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:37:07 -0800 ian macpherson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello > Wondering why there seems to be very few people using the list? > Ian > Canada > The all list servers at rootsweb have been down for maintanence for the last month. mick in glen innes

Received but BT Yahoo Mail thought it was Spam Paul From: Terry Leaman <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016, 21:01 Subject: [DEV] TEST Test message. Terry ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes received this test message. On 09/11/2016 21:01, Terry Leaman wrote: > Test message. > > Terry > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Good to see the list working. Nice to be back. Edna - sunny Ottawa

Hello Wondering why there seems to be very few people using the list? Ian Canada On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 2:06 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Received but BT Yahoo Mail thought it was Spam > Paul > > From: Terry Leaman <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2016, 21:01 > Subject: [DEV] TEST > > Test message. > > Terry > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

In 1867 Parliament became concerned about the inconsistent and frequently inadequate standard of secondary education available to the fee-paying middle classes and commissioned a nation-wide inquiry into the status and performance of all such schools. The Schools Inquiry Commission (just Google it) published its report in many volumes, of which Volume XIV covers the counties of Devon, Cornwall, Dorset, Somerset and Wiltshire, and is online at https://archive.org/stream/cu31924032401162#page/n5/mode/2up The Devon section has detailed reviews of 23 boys schools and 2 girls schools, and tabulated data for many more. This is perhaps social history rather than genealogy but typically identifies headmasters and local governors. I looked for a person at Allhallows School in Honiton and read it was much improved after he ceased to be headmaster! Probably worth adding to the Schools section of GENUKI Devon. And if you really want social history, the Commission reported on girls' education, as reprinted at http://www.educationengland.org.uk/documents/sicr/sicr1-06.html Martin Beavis

Hello Paul, Thank-you for the reply. Responses in text below: On 3 October 2016 at 20:59, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > Peter, > > Wills were one of the churches secular functions..Ireland is a bit like > Devon relying on Victorian calendars and indices. Most of these have been > published in one form or another. Where I was coming from with the question is that I am aware that the role of the Roman Catholic church in England was very limited at least until the Catholic Emancipation Act of 1829. Not allowed to conduct legal marriages etc etc, and presumably not allowed to officiate the proof of wills. The Roman Catholic church was obviously more widespread in Ireland, but was it any more tolorated by the authorities? > I would recommend getting a copy of > Tracing your Cork Ancestors published by Flyleaf Press. The book has a > fairly comprehensive list of what records have survived , including parish > records. > In England/Wales marriage licences stated the church where the marriage was > authorised to take place.. This was probably true for Ireland but I have > never had need to check . Where was the licence referenced? In the National Archives in Dublin there are a number of handwritten volumes, probably Victorian calandars of the type that you describe. The volumes are by diocese and record the name of the parties, Simon Cocheram and Mary Cosgrave and the year (1814). The volume has subsequently been digitized by FindMyPast and now forms part of their "Ireland Diocesan and Prerogative Marriage Licence Bonds indexes 1623-1866" collection. I was advised by the genealogist that the Irish National Archives employ to offer advice that the licence bond allegation papers no longer existed, but that the licence would have been issued by the Church of Ireland. The Irish National Archives have some Church of Ireland records on microfilm but I think I am close to exhausting what they have filmed for Cloyne Diocese but without finding the marriage that I am seeking. > Beware of the term engineer. It referred to anyone who worked with engines. > At this time it was more likely to refer to the operator of a mine pump. A > dirty and dangerous job. The Stockton and Darlington Railway opened in 1825, > the Liverpool, Manchester (Rocket) was 1830 and Irelands 1834. That makes sense. Thanks. Regards Peter > > Cheers > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Peter J. Richardson > Sent: 29 September 2016 22:31 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] Ireland Will Calenders > > Hello Paul > > On 29 September 2016 at 10:23, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Pre 1858 wills, like England, were probated in ecclesiastical courts >> based on bishoprics.. A number of sees cross the border. Derry, for >> example, includes a chunk of north-west Donegal. >> For Ireland, you need to know at least the county to know which >> database to use. > > Would I be correct in thinking that it would only be the Church of Ireland > that would have been allowed to administer wills prior to 1858, or would I > need to investigate RC sources as well. > > I know that there was a marriage licence issued to Simon Cockeram and Mary > Cosgrave by the diocese of Cloyne in 1814. I've not found the marriage > itself in any of Church of Ireland Cloyne parishes as yet. I have a > suspicion that Simon was C of E but that the Cosgraves were RC. > > I have however found one record that looks interesting at > https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/68e5240076215 > > The Thomas Edwards who married Mary Cosgrave after Simon Cochrane's death > was an engineer and they lived most of the 1820s and 1830s in Bristol. I > wonder whether an engineer in the 1820s or 1830s is likely to be connected > with the railways or whether those dates are too early. > > > Regards > Peter > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be > found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, Wills were one of the churches secular functions.. Ireland is a bit like Devon relying on Victorian calendars and indices. Most of these have been published in one form or another. I would recommend getting a copy of Tracing your Cork Ancestors published by Flyleaf Press. The book has a fairly comprehensive list of what records have survived , including parish records. In England/Wales marriage licences stated the church where the marriage was authorised to take place.. This was probably true for Ireland but I have never had need to check . Where was the licence referenced? Beware of the term engineer. It referred to anyone who worked with engines. At this time it was more likely to refer to the operator of a mine pump. A dirty and dangerous job. The Stockton and Darlington Railway opened in 1825, the Liverpool, Manchester (Rocket) was 1830 and Irelands 1834. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter J. Richardson Sent: 29 September 2016 22:31 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Ireland Will Calenders Hello Paul On 29 September 2016 at 10:23, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > Pre 1858 wills, like England, were probated in ecclesiastical courts > based on bishoprics.. A number of sees cross the border. Derry, for > example, includes a chunk of north-west Donegal. > For Ireland, you need to know at least the county to know which > database to use. Would I be correct in thinking that it would only be the Church of Ireland that would have been allowed to administer wills prior to 1858, or would I need to investigate RC sources as well. I know that there was a marriage licence issued to Simon Cockeram and Mary Cosgrave by the diocese of Cloyne in 1814. I've not found the marriage itself in any of Church of Ireland Cloyne parishes as yet. I have a suspicion that Simon was C of E but that the Cosgraves were RC. I have however found one record that looks interesting at https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/68e5240076215 The Thomas Edwards who married Mary Cosgrave after Simon Cochrane's death was an engineer and they lived most of the 1820s and 1830s in Bristol. I wonder whether an engineer in the 1820s or 1830s is likely to be connected with the railways or whether those dates are too early. Regards Peter ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi: GENUKI/Devon - What's New Sep 2016 Major additions: • Bideford: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • Exeter: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • Northam: Northam Charities Board - article • Plymouth: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • South Molton: Burials 1790-1837 - transcript (5 pages) • Woodleigh: BTs and Parish Registers 1606-1900 - transcript (10 pages) Cheers Brian Randell — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/staff/profile/brian.randell

Peter After my Internet came back on yesterday [having huge problems] I checked your name of COSGROVE in those Wills, and I seem to remember there was a Bristol connection to the name, whether the name was in a Will or a if it was as a beneficiary, I cannot remember now. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter J. Richardson" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2016 7:30 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DEV] Ireland Will Calenders > Hello Paul > > On 29 September 2016 at 10:23, Paul Hockie <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Pre 1858 wills, like England, were probated in ecclesiastical courts >> based >> on bishoprics.. A number of sees cross the border. Derry, for example, >> includes a chunk of north-west Donegal. >> For Ireland, you need to know at least the county to know which database >> to

Hi Paul, Thanks for that explanation, now I understand better why I had found one lot of records so easily the day before, then have problems yesterday. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Paul Hockie" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 7:23 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DEV] Ireland Will Calenders > Bev, > > The clue is in the web addresses, ".ie" is the Republic of Ireland and > ".gov.uk" is Northern Ireland, part of the UK. While there have been a > number of initiatives to provide single source records including Parish > Records, the remaining Census and Griffiths, many government records are > held in their respective archives. Some pre 1923 records(Army) are held in > London. The archives do co-operate with common guidance leaflets and do > try > and give single access but there are different data protection rules in > each > country. > Pre 1858 wills, like England, were probated in ecclesiastical courts > based > on bishoprics.. A number of sees cross the border. Derry, for example, > includes a chunk of north-west Donegal. > For Ireland, you need to know at least the county to know which database > to > use. > > Cheers > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of B. Edmonds > Sent: 29 September 2016 04:31 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] Ireland Will Calenders > > Goodness me, there seems to be 2 different ways at getting to entries. I > could not find what I had found yesterday which was very frustrating, so > in > case some one else is having the same problem. > > http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/search/cwa/index.jsp > > http://apps.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar_IE/WillsSearch.aspx > > I used Google search. > > Regards > Bev > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2016 1:18 PM > To: "Beverley Edmonds" <[email protected]> > Subject: Ireland Will Calenders > >> https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/services/search-will-calendars >> > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be > found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7226 / Virus Database: 4656/13113 - Release Date: 09/29/16 >