Bev, Unless there is a material mistake by the registrar, i.e. sex or a father added a registration cannot be changed or a new certificate issued. To register twice to changea forename would be illegal (though that would not neccssarily stop anybody trying). The only exception is legal adoption when the original entry is is removed from the index and becomes "secret", unless requested by the adoptee.following a the legal process. A replacement entry made with the new name and parents. Cheers Paul -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 12/11/16, B. Edmonds <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 12 November, 2016, 22:10 Anne Could the parents have decided to change the name of the baby? Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Brooks" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:22 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel > The GRO search for births, now including the maiden name of the mother, is > quite fascinating. I have a question regarding my latest discovery. > > I have a family of YELLANDs living in Stoke Damerel. The mother's maiden > name was DOVE. I had four children for this couple between 1848 and 1854. > One was a Fanny YELLAND, 1850 D. Quarter Stoke Damerel 09 pg 439; mother > DOVE. I was able to find all four, them all, with a mother DOVE. > > I then searched for any children born in that time frame, surname YELLAND, > mother's maiden name, DOVE. To my surprise another child came up, a Jane > YELLAND with the identical criteria as Fanny, mother DOVE, except a 2 page > difference: pg 437. > > Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 pages > later ??? Why 2 pages ? I checked the original images on FreeBMD and the > pages seem to have been transcribed correctly, one 439, and one 437. As > this Jane never appeared in any censuses in the home, and I couldn't find > a death registration for her, it is rather strange. The liklihood of > another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would think. > > Any thoughts most appreciated. > Anne > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Pam, I might be connected to them.... We've been searching for Hamlins (Hamlyn) in that area for quite some time with no success.... Can you tell me the source of the Hamilns of Frithelstock? We have a George Jeffery b 1758 in Cookbury married to Ann Hamlyn b abt 1777 location unknown. In addition we have George Jeffery b 1800 in a strange relationship with an Elizabeth Hamlyn/Hamley b 1801 in Holsworthy. She is listed as a "servant" in his household on the 1851, and 1861, censuses...It is not known if she is related to Ann above...The strangeness comes in that she appears to be the mother of three of his children, after his first wife, Elizabeth Davey, disappears from the records... Your post seems to be the first clue we've had as to a possible origin for our Hamlyns.... Any help appreciated Christopher Pensacola, Florida, USA On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 12:05 AM, PMR <[email protected]> wrote: > Greetings Listers > > > > It seems (not yet proven) that my HAMLIN family resided in > Frithelstock in the 1500s and 1600s. > > > > One possible ancestral couple is William HAMLIN who married > Pychovil MARTIN in Frithelstock on 5 Jul 1588. > > > > I'm intrigued by the bride's first name. Is there a modern > equivalent? > > > > Does anyone else have any connection with the Frithelstock > HAMLINs? > > > > Many thanks > > > > Cheers > > > > Pam > > Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

On November 10, 2016, at 12:06 PM, Brian Randell <[email protected]> wrote: Hi: Rather than just a test message, here is the message I should have been able to send out on Devon-L 10 days ago! GENUKI/Devon - What’s New Oct 2016 Major additions: • Barnstaple: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • Crediton: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • Great Torrington: A Topographical Dictionary of England, by Samuel Lewis (1831) - transcript • South Molton: Marriages 1811-1837 - transcript Cheers Brian Randell -- School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU, UK EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 FAX = +44 191 208 8232 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry about that Ellen This is the Archive Book that I had found, there should not have been any difficulties with it. Full text of "Uppingham School Roll, 1824 to 1905" - Internet Archive https://archive.org/stream/.../uppinghamschool00schogoog_djvu.txt Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ellen Murray" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 8:09 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] B. Edmonds msg re; Francis Cornish WARNING > Bev I clicked on the link you showed & am now having great difficulty > getting normal access to internet. Warning to anyone else that has not > yet tried to open this link. > > Ellen > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Anne Could the parents have decided to change the name of the baby? Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Brooks" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:22 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel > The GRO search for births, now including the maiden name of the mother, is > quite fascinating. I have a question regarding my latest discovery. > > I have a family of YELLANDs living in Stoke Damerel. The mother's maiden > name was DOVE. I had four children for this couple between 1848 and 1854. > One was a Fanny YELLAND, 1850 D. Quarter Stoke Damerel 09 pg 439; mother > DOVE. I was able to find all four, them all, with a mother DOVE. > > I then searched for any children born in that time frame, surname YELLAND, > mother's maiden name, DOVE. To my surprise another child came up, a Jane > YELLAND with the identical criteria as Fanny, mother DOVE, except a 2 page > difference: pg 437. > > Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 pages > later ??? Why 2 pages ? I checked the original images on FreeBMD and the > pages seem to have been transcribed correctly, one 439, and one 437. As > this Jane never appeared in any censuses in the home, and I couldn't find > a death registration for her, it is rather strange. The liklihood of > another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would think. > > Any thoughts most appreciated. > Anne > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Paul, Bev and Others, I came across an example of birth entries being changed through a researcher who was looking into some information from Plympton St Mary, one of my parishes. This is the gist of what he told me: He was looking for an 1867 birth record for a James Eastman, a brother of his great-grandmother. He found a reference in civil records for which he applied for a copy. The register office told him that they could not deliver the certificate because it had been cancelled due, apparently, to the there having been no proof of a marriage between James's supposed parents, Samuel and Mary Eastman. They would, however, send him a copy of one that had been reissued in the name of James Kellow, son of Mary Elizabeth Kellow. (Mary did marry Samuel but not until 1874.) On a subsequent visit to the Plymouth Record Office, they would not show him the original entry but did confirm that the boy's father was Samuel Eastman. (I do not know how or whether that means by blood.) This was all part of a complicated search for information about the Kellow family, who were also shown in various records as Kellar, Callard and Callow. In this instance, though, a birth was registered twice, under different surnames, and both can be found on searchable records. They also have the same volume and page number on the GRO index. I realize this is not quite the same issue as that referenced by Anne below but it does show that registrations can be and were changed under certain circumstances. Wayne Shepheard Cornwood OPC -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:01 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel Bev, Unless there is a material mistake by the registrar, i.e. sex or a father added a registration cannot be changed or a new certificate issued. To register twice to changea forename would be illegal (though that would not neccssarily stop anybody trying). The only exception is legal adoption when the original entry is is removed from the index and becomes "secret", unless requested by the adoptee.following a the legal process. A replacement entry made with the new name and parents. Cheers Paul -------------------------------------------- On Sat, 12/11/16, B. Edmonds <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel To: [email protected] Date: Saturday, 12 November, 2016, 22:10 Anne Could the parents have decided to change the name of the baby? Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Anne Brooks" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2016 7:22 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] YELLAND Stoke Damerel > The GRO search for births, now including the maiden name of the mother, is > quite fascinating. I have a question regarding my latest discovery. > > I have a family of YELLANDs living in Stoke Damerel. The mother's maiden > name was DOVE. I had four children for this couple between 1848 and 1854. > One was a Fanny YELLAND, 1850 D. Quarter Stoke Damerel 09 pg 439; mother > DOVE. I was able to find all four, them all, with a mother DOVE. > > I then searched for any children born in that time frame, surname YELLAND, > mother's maiden name, DOVE. To my surprise another child came up, a Jane > YELLAND with the identical criteria as Fanny, mother DOVE, except a 2 page > difference: pg 437. > > Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 pages > later ??? Why 2 pages ? I checked the original images on FreeBMD and the > pages seem to have been transcribed correctly, one 439, and one 437. As > this Jane never appeared in any censuses in the home, and I couldn't find > a death registration for her, it is rather strange. The liklihood of > another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would think. > > Any thoughts most appreciated. > Anne > ------------------------------------------

Morning Whilst looking for something else I came across this and decided to see what names came up under Devon and found some who actually came from Devon and others who were just living there. https://archive.org/stream/uppinghamschool00schogoog/uppinghamschool00schogoog_djvu.txt Bev

On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:22:58 -0400 Anne Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: Hello Anne, >Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 Not even if the certificate for the one you already have, if you have it, has a time (of birth) on it. Early birth registrations often had time of birth recorded (Registrar dependant) irrespective of twinship. Another option is that two DOVE women married two YELLAND men. The only way to be 100% is to acquire both certificates. >liklihood of another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would >think. But not impossible. I have two such cases in my tree. Although, to be fair, one such coincidental pairing does not occur within the same RD. I also have two double marriages; two brothers to two sisters - one set were even married the same day in a double ceremony. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" My body's an oasis to drink from as you please Mirage - Siouxsie & The Banshees

The GRO search for births, now including the maiden name of the mother, is quite fascinating. I have a question regarding my latest discovery. I have a family of YELLANDs living in Stoke Damerel. The mother's maiden name was DOVE. I had four children for this couple between 1848 and 1854. One was a Fanny YELLAND, 1850 D. Quarter Stoke Damerel 09 pg 439; mother DOVE. I was able to find all four, them all, with a mother DOVE. I then searched for any children born in that time frame, surname YELLAND, mother's maiden name, DOVE. To my surprise another child came up, a Jane YELLAND with the identical criteria as Fanny, mother DOVE, except a 2 page difference: pg 437. Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 pages later ??? Why 2 pages ? I checked the original images on FreeBMD and the pages seem to have been transcribed correctly, one 439, and one 437. As this Jane never appeared in any censuses in the home, and I couldn't find a death registration for her, it is rather strange. The liklihood of another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would think. Any thoughts most appreciated. Anne

Bev I clicked on the link you showed & am now having great difficulty getting normal access to internet. Warning to anyone else that has not yet tried to open this link. Ellen

Hello Anne -- If you're good with spreadsheets, it is possible to analyse all the entries around that time and guess what registration sub-district your two registrations are in. The method has been written up at Genealogy Stack Exchange: What “hidden” clues are there in the GRO Indexes of births and deaths? <http://genealogy.stackexchange.com/q/10355/1006> The author designed this as an aid to distinguish two same-name individuals, but you might be able to tell a little bit more about how close these two registrations were geographically. His worked example is from 1858, which is close in time to what you need. His method can be used for births and deaths from 1837 up to 1936. I also try to cross-check the GRO registrations against parish records when possible. Good luck! Jan Jan Murphy [email protected] On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 1:52 PM, Brad Rogers <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sat, 12 Nov 2016 17:22:58 -0400 > Anne Brooks <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Anne, > > >Do I assume they were twins and the second entry just got recorded 2 > > Not even if the certificate for the one you already have, if you have it, > has a time (of birth) on it. Early birth registrations often had time > of birth recorded (Registrar dependant) irrespective of twinship. > Another option is that two DOVE women married two YELLAND men. > > The only way to be 100% is to acquire both certificates. > > >liklihood of another YELLAND / DOVE marriage is quite unlikely I would > >think. > > But not impossible. I have two such cases in my tree. Although, to be > fair, one such coincidental pairing does not occur within the same RD. I > also have two double marriages; two brothers to two sisters - one set > were even married the same day in a double ceremony. > > -- > Regards _ > / ) "The blindingly obvious is > / _)rad never immediately apparent" > My body's an oasis to drink from as you please > Mirage - Siouxsie & The Banshees > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Why not use Familysearch either online or with their microfilm copies. Their soundex search is probably the best around, for a sensible list of alternative spellings and its free and their indexers tend to be more accurate.. Once you have a short list of possibles, then move to the GRO search.. Also many local registrars are online and they hold the original. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Adrian Bruce Sent: 10 November 2016 21:49 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] GRO Indexes "choose a birth year (+-2), then add 4 years and another 4 years etc" You can squeeze another year out - when you choose a year and plus / minus 2, that's actually 5y, so you can jump up in 5s. To keep track, I simply start with the multiple of 5 below and work up in 5s - e.g. start 1840+/-2, then 1845+/-2, etc.... That's easy enough to remember for me. Adrian ​ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

We think he was from Devon when he migrated from England to New Hampshire then to Piscataway,Middlesex Co.,New Jersey in the 1600's. Thanks to DNA test results we now know his father was not Robert Drake. We are looking for his parents. Any clues? We think his wife was Mary Walker. Thank you for any help! I am a descendant of Captain Drake. Sincerely, Pam Drake in Indiana [email protected]

Hi all I've put together a couple of tutorials on my blog to help with searching and ordering the new GRO certificates. There is also a Birth search form to help keep track of what years you have searched and whether or not you have searched both males and females (and as a bonus it's a fillable PDF meaning that you can use it on the computer or print). GRO Update - Searching the England & Wales Birth and Death Indexes: https://memoriesintime.co.nz/blogs/news/update-england-wales-birth-and-death-indexes GRO Indexes - Solving mysteries: https://memoriesintime.co.nz/blogs/news/gro-indexes-solving-mysteries GRO - Have you tried the new ordering system?: https://memoriesintime.co.nz/blogs/news/gro-have-you-tried-the-new-pdf-birth-death-certificates Cheers Fiona Brooker PS: I'm happy for these links to be shared with other groups.

In combination with Free BMD these Indexes are wonderful, I have been beavering away for a week now and have found some babies that had died that I did not know existed plus extra children. Great stuff and I am grateful for the indexes. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:46 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] GRO Indexes > Just in case any one has missed this annoucement. > > Births & Deaths - Extra Indexes and Temporary Price Cuts > > Major changes are about to affect our access to records of births and > deaths in England & Wales. > > Indexes > > Until recently, the only way to consult indexes of birth and death > registrations online and free of charge was by visiting the FreeBMD > website. FreeBMD will continue to be useful to many researchers. However, > for some searches, newly released indexes on the General Register Office > (GRO) site will also be helpful. They cover these periods: > · Births (July 1837-December 1915) > · Deaths (July 1837-December 1957) > > Unlike all other indexes, the new GRO ones include these details for all > years back to 1837: > · Births = the mother's maiden name > · Deaths = the age at death. > > The new GRO indexes are very cumbersome to use as you have to specify the > year (plus or minus up to only 2 years) and also the gender of the person > concerned. > > Temporary price cuts > > The GRO is now legally able to issue registration information other than > as a certificate. As a pilot service, it intends to make information > available in PDF form. Phase 1 of the new service starts on 9 November > 2016 and will run for up to 3 weeks. It will test demand for > uncertificated copies of the civil registration entries that are already > digitised (i.e. birth entries recorded 1837 – 1934 and death entries > recorded 1837 – 1957), in addition to those much more recent birth, death, > marriage and civil partnership records which were also recorded directly > onto the registration service online system. The application must be > submitted online and contain a GRO reference. These PDFs will cost £6. > > This phase of the pilot will close after 3 weeks or when 45,000 PDFs have > been ordered, whichever comes soonest. Further phases will follow and are > described in detail on the GRO site. > > So, if you want details of such births and deaths, you can get them for > £6.00, instead of £9.25 - but only for a very short time. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

"choose a birth year (+-2), then add 4 years and another 4 years etc" You can squeeze another year out - when you choose a year and plus / minus 2, that's actually 5y, so you can jump up in 5s. To keep track, I simply start with the multiple of 5 below and work up in 5s - e.g. start 1840+/-2, then 1845+/-2, etc.... That's easy enough to remember for me. Adrian ​

What a brilliant resource! I had several families that were on the 1911 census who had stated that they had more children than I was aware of (because some had died young). Although tedious I have resolved them all now. It is a bit tedious as you need to search for births with surname and mother's maiden name and choose a gender and then choose a birth year (+-2), then add 4 years and another 4 years etc. Then repeat with the other gender. My luck was that the surnames weren't that common. Another area I have managed to resolve (in conjunction with Findmypast's baptisms and burials in Devon) is for "blended families" e.g. husband married twice and wife married twice (at least). The children's names are shown on censuses, but who belongs to whom? I have been able to sort out which child came from which marriage, eliminated duplicates (as child's names often differed on different censuses). Also found extra children who had died as infants. Just as tedious to do the searches, but solved most of the problems. Again it was helped by having less common names such as Muxworthy and Gayton - less easy when two brothers married two sisters!! There is an issue still with these indexes that may never be solved, since the transcriptions came from the DOVE project. I have found a few people where the person's birth or death is listed on FreeBMD, Findmypast etc. But they are not listed on the new GRO indexes. As the surname is a mandatory field it is impossible to totally prove that the entry isn't on the system, but from the various searches I have done, I cannot find them. If only it was possible to just use first name, GRO ref, etc. Then I would be more than certain about missing entries. I've reported one, to see what happens. Remember!!!! When searching the death indexes the "age at death" is listed. However, for children the value might refer to hours, days, weeks, months or years. E.g. if the index says the child died aged 4, the chances are that the child might be 4 months, 4 weeks or 4 years. This is a consistent issue with these indexes. It is unlikely to be corrected in the short term. It seems that marriage indexes will not be added because the DOVE project was cancelled before they had been digitised/indexed. Hopefully, if people order lots more uncertified certificates, enough money will be raised to enable them to be added. N.B. the cost of £6 isn't a "temporary" reduction. This is a trial of a new system and the £6 is the price chosen for the trial. After the trial has finished and the results analysed hopefully a permanent service will be offered. To me, £6 seems fair for a service where people are still involved. If it becomes totally automated then I would expect a cheaper service. But, WOW, I have resolved lots of issues that I thought I'd never sort out. And it has cost nothing. I have ordered some "certificates" but only for those on my direct line, or where there might be ambiguities. Jack -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 10 November 2016 19:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] GRO Indexes In combination with Free BMD these Indexes are wonderful, I have been beavering away for a week now and have found some babies that had died that I did not know existed plus extra children. Great stuff and I am grateful for the indexes. Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tim Treeby (Genealogy)" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:46 PM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] GRO Indexes > Just in case any one has missed this annoucement. > > Births & Deaths - Extra Indexes and Temporary Price Cuts > > Major changes are about to affect our access to records of births and > deaths in England & Wales. > > Indexes > > Until recently, the only way to consult indexes of birth and death > registrations online and free of charge was by visiting the FreeBMD > website. FreeBMD will continue to be useful to many researchers. > However, for some searches, newly released indexes on the General > Register Office > (GRO) site will also be helpful. They cover these periods: > · Births (July 1837-December 1915) > · Deaths (July 1837-December 1957) > > Unlike all other indexes, the new GRO ones include these details for > all years back to 1837: > · Births = the mother's maiden name > · Deaths = the age at death. > > The new GRO indexes are very cumbersome to use as you have to specify > the year (plus or minus up to only 2 years) and also the gender of the > person concerned. > > Temporary price cuts > > The GRO is now legally able to issue registration information other > than as a certificate. As a pilot service, it intends to make > information available in PDF form. Phase 1 of the new service starts > on 9 November > 2016 and will run for up to 3 weeks. It will test demand for > uncertificated copies of the civil registration entries that are > already digitised (i.e. birth entries recorded 1837 – 1934 and death > entries recorded 1837 – 1957), in addition to those much more recent > birth, death, marriage and civil partnership records which were also > recorded directly onto the registration service online system. The > application must be submitted online and contain a GRO reference. These PDFs will cost £6. > > This phase of the pilot will close after 3 weeks or when 45,000 PDFs > have been ordered, whichever comes soonest. Further phases will follow > and are described in detail on the GRO site. > > So, if you want details of such births and deaths, you can get them > for £6.00, instead of £9.25 - but only for a very short time. > > Tim Treeby > DFHS 13926 > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Thanks Tim , useful and interesting . -----Original Message----- From: Tim Treeby (Genealogy) Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 12:46 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] GRO Indexes Just in case any one has missed this annoucement. Births & Deaths - Extra Indexes and Temporary Price Cuts Major changes are about to affect our access to records of births and deaths in England & Wales. Indexes Until recently, the only way to consult indexes of birth and death registrations online and free of charge was by visiting the FreeBMD website. FreeBMD will continue to be useful to many researchers. However, for some searches, newly released indexes on the General Register Office (GRO) site will also be helpful. They cover these periods: · Births (July 1837-December 1915) · Deaths (July 1837-December 1957) Unlike all other indexes, the new GRO ones include these details for all years back to 1837: · Births = the mother's maiden name · Deaths = the age at death. The new GRO indexes are very cumbersome to use as you have to specify the year (plus or minus up to only 2 years) and also the gender of the person concerned. Temporary price cuts The GRO is now legally able to issue registration information other than as a certificate. As a pilot service, it intends to make information available in PDF form. Phase 1 of the new service starts on 9 November 2016 and will run for up to 3 weeks. It will test demand for uncertificated copies of the civil registration entries that are already digitised (i.e. birth entries recorded 1837 – 1934 and death entries recorded 1837 – 1957), in addition to those much more recent birth, death, marriage and civil partnership records which were also recorded directly onto the registration service online system. The application must be submitted online and contain a GRO reference. These PDFs will cost £6. This phase of the pilot will close after 3 weeks or when 45,000 PDFs have been ordered, whichever comes soonest. Further phases will follow and are described in detail on the GRO site. So, if you want details of such births and deaths, you can get them for £6.00, instead of £9.25 - but only for a very short time. Tim Treeby DFHS 13926 --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Yes, but Google thought it was spam. Kaye On 10 November 2016 at 11:44, mick <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, 9 Nov 2016 14:37:07 -0800 > ian macpherson <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Hello > > Wondering why there seems to be very few people using the list? > > Ian > > Canada > > > > The all list servers at rootsweb have been down for maintanence for the > last month. > > mick in glen innes > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Kaye Saunders - searching for Keen, Saunders, Blackmore, Watson, Reid, Livingstone, Gerring, Goddard, Iles, Holyoak, Popham, Scoble, Nott, Lawrence - and so many more