The details below arrived in my inbox this evening in connection with Teignmouth Cemetery. Admins, I hope you will accept that this post is forwarded (with permission) to the mailing list in the hope that those researchers with ancestors buried in the cemetery are aware of the issues. My personal feeling is that this is a disgrace. pherecrates1 posted: "SAVE OUR CEMETERY Two years ago Teignbridge announced a proposal to convert the Chapel and other attached buildings in Teignmouth Old Cemetery, Exeter Road to residential accommodation. There was a huge public outcry and many people wrote to Teignbrid" Respond to this post by replying above this line New post on Teignmouth Tales from the Grave URGENT Action required by pherecrates1 SAVE OUR CEMETERY Two years ago Teignbridge announced a proposal to convert the Chapel and other attached buildings in Teignmouth Old Cemetery, Exeter Road to residential accommodation. There was a huge public outcry and many people wrote to Teignbridge to object to the proposal. All went quiet and the proposal was never submitted to the Planning Committee. In the mean time a Community “Right to Buy” proposal was submitted to Teignbridge to enable some protection against any future commercial development of the Chapel. That was rejected by Teignbridge on the grounds that the Chapel was not in community use. Catch 22. Of course it wasn’t in community use because Teignbridge had allowed the buildings to fall into neglect and had boarded them up. On Friday 13th January Teignbridge issued a new announcement (out of the blue) in the local paper (buried on p64) asking for Expressions of Interest for the renovation of the Chapel etc for community use. They have given only 8 working days to reply. On the face of it this might suggest that Teignbridge have had a change of heart. But cynically it could be the reverse …. By burying it on p64 and only allowing 8 days to reply they could be hoping that no expressions of interest come forward. They could then say that they have had no expression of community interest and would then legitimately pursue commercial development. Such a development could in turn lead (legally) to the conversion of the Old Cemetery land into land for building, destroying a significant part of Teignmouth’s history and heritage going back over 150 years. We need to marshall a lot of community support over the next couple of weeks if we want to protect the cemetery. If you agree to trying to keep the Cemetery and buildings in community use please send an email to that effect to: [email protected] If you are able to give any direct help in putting together an Expression of Interest, organising publicity and drumming up support please include that in your email as well. We already planning a few things and will let everyone know as soon as we have definite details. The blog with details is at http://wp.me/p6L6x9-2V

It is worth reading the following about the different types of militia and the history. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(Great_Britain) 1757-1797 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_(United_Kingdom) 1797- to date https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeomanry Yeomanry Note the practice of stationing troops from other parts was used by the Romans to ensure the troops had no local loyalties. Ireland was always garrisoned by mainland troops and Irish Regiments had a reserve battalion. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mike Mallett Sent: 16 January 2017 16:11 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] North Devon Militia C1811 For comparison, the South Devon Militia were in Waterford in Ireland in 1799 as there is a memorial in the local church. I understand that militia would serve in their own county unless there was an emergency. The other ranks of the militia were drawn from the working class so couldn't always be relied to police fellow workers whereas the yeomanry cavalry came from a more middle class background. Recruitment to the militia was by conscription but there were many exemptions and would have only taken in a small percentage of the adult male population. -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Trenchard Sent: 15 January 2017 21:57 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] North Devon Militia C1811 I should have added that Militia men did not serve abroad, only within the UK, which at that time included the whole of Ireland plus the Channel Islands. They were raised as independent county Militia, and did not normally serve within their own county. This latter was because they also served as the policemen of the time, being called out to quell riots or to aid the Revenue men in catching smugglers. If they were serving locally they might encounter relatives or friends among the 'baddies'. Hence their posting far away from their home county. I've followed the Dorset Militia in places as far apart as Ireland, Scotland and Kent amongst other places. The fact that Bev has found them in Plymouth suggests to me (but I may well be wrong) that they were en route to or from the Channel Islands or Ireland for example. Diana ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Paul, I have him dying in 1854 .... can you point me at how I find the article on FMP ....tks ... Peter Hammett ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Hockie <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:50:53 -0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [DEV] Barnstaple Burial Peter, >From FMP, Sgt William Hammett was collecting his pension in Taunton when he died. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PETER HAMMETT Sent: 14 January 2017 16:13 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Barnstaple Burial Hi List I wonder if any one can help with a burial in Barnstaple, Hannah Hammett died in Barnstaple some time between 1825 and 1835, her husband was William Hammett ..... any help would be most welcome ... Tks .. Peter Hammett in UK ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, >From FMP, Sgt William Hammett was collecting his pension in Taunton when he died. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of PETER HAMMETT Sent: 14 January 2017 16:13 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Barnstaple Burial Hi List I wonder if any one can help with a burial in Barnstaple, Hannah Hammett died in Barnstaple some time between 1825 and 1835, her husband was William Hammett ..... any help would be most welcome ... Tks .. Peter Hammett in UK ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Alan: The email address you gave me was mal-formed. This is to say I would appreciate an update of your article "Portrait of A parish: Parkham 1841/1842" for the GENUKI/Devon page Cheers Brian Randell — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = [email protected] PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html

Findmypast has Burials from Barnstaple. There is a Burial for Ann Hammett, 29 May 1834, age 61. Any good? Regards Roy On 14/01/2017 16:13, PETER HAMMETT wrote: > Hi List I wonder if any one can help with a burial in Barnstaple, > > Hannah Hammett died in Barnstaple some time between 1825 and 1835, her husband was William Hammett ..... any help would be most welcome ... Tks .. Peter Hammett in UK > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Replying to the messages below...... Thanks to all who replied (or will!). > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Rollcall: MELHUISH (Jeff Butler) > 2. Rollcall: MELHUISH ([email protected]) > 3. Re: Rollcall: MELHUISH (Terry Leaman) > 4. Re: Rollcall: MELHUISH (Paul Hockie) > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Message: 1 > From: "Jeff Butler" <[email protected]> > > Hello Keith > When you say you have look at the PR for Washfield was that on fiche. I > have > three fiches with with the PR on them there is no dates on them but would > think they would start about 1530-50. > Last time I look it was poor quality and hard to read. I also have > Melhuish > but my ones are from Cheriton Fitzpaine 1780 with Thomas. > Regards > Jeff > They were transcribed from the original PRs by the DRO in the late 1990s. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > From: <[email protected]> > > HI, there are any number of worries with > Melhuish, firstly being the endlessly various spellings ......Washfield > is > a comparatively small village and these are well to do people . The > DFHS > parish map for Mid Devon shows that Washfield is surrounded on the east > and > south by Tiverton a busy market town . just north of that is Bampton > another > busy market town . On Washfield`s immediate borders are Stoodleigh , > Loxbeare, Calverleigh and Templeton . Then there is the survival of the > registers, I see Washfield has registers as early as 1554 , but in what > condition ? According to the DRO, the registers were in good condition in the late 1990s when I had the transcriptions done. As to name variations, that has caused me some grief over the years. It also caused the DRO to have conniptions, but they did finally get them all, er at least they said they did. > Richard Hagley of Tiverton clothier speaks > of him being an old and an aged man . and he wishes to be buried in > Tiverton. He forgives his wife Amy the dowry promised on their marriage > but > "which yet I never had ." He speaks of the "five youngest" of my > daughter > Jane Melhuishes . And then of my daughter Joan Melhuishes son Thomas who > gets one silver salt . He makes Robert Melhuishe my son in law one of > his > executors . > It is worth perhaps getting all these 17th > C > wills of the Melhuishes and Hagleys and just noting how many have the same > surnamed relatives ......all these wills are fascinating in their own > right > , but if you are related to the families they are very personal . We have all the wills from Devon that were in Worthy's Wills and Oswyn Murray's transcriptions as well as those from the PCC and the Bank of England. There are others, but I can't remember the sources. > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 15:47:57 +0000 > From: Terry Leaman <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] Rollcall: MELHUISH > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed > > Washfield registers have been filmed and are on FMP- the early ones look > to be in quite good condition. > > Terry To Terry & Paul. Thanks for that. My memory was still thinking of Familysearch as the CoE didn't allow them to be transcribed by the Church of Latter Day Saints. I had a look and a lot is missing. Most of the marriages are missing as are burials around 1600. Some useful stuff was there however. And condition does look good. Thank you all kindly, Keith Jeffery

Hello All, I am new to this list and I must apologise for not even introducing myself yet. But I thought I should speak up now (and leave my introduction until a latter date) as the name Moysey caught my eye. Also the name Treeby looks a sure bet. Moysey is one of our pioneering families in the Casey/Cardinia area, which is about 40km south east of Melbourne (Victoria, Australia). The Narre Warren & District Family History Group Inc. produced a book of 'Pioneer Profiles' a few years ago that has some information on the family. Unfortunately I am not involved as I once was in the group but I am sure if you contact them they will have more. An index to the "Early Settlers of the Casey - Cardinia District" is here: http://nwfhg.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/Early-Settlers-of-the-Casey-Cardinia-District-Index.pdf The index lists the names of James Bickford Moysey and Susannah Brown Treeby. It just goes to show how much a little bit of local knowledge can help! Regards, Pamela Tumath On 7/01/2017 10:42 AM, Diane Foster wrote: > MOYSE surname is also in Norfolk. One of them married in to the CULLING > family. Diane - Western Australia > > On Sat, Jan 7, 2017 at 3:48 AM, Margaret/Bryan Bradford < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Thalauafu >> >> I have not done a lot of research into the Moyse family, but I do not have >> any links to Australia that I know of. It is/was a fairly common name in >> Devon and Cornwall however. >> >> Happy hunting, >> Margaret in Ottawa >> >>> Subject: Re: [DEV] MOYES/MOYSE in Okehampton >>> Message-ID: >>> <[email protected] >>> gmail.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >>> >>> In Melbourne, Australia there is a park which has a stone in it marked >>> that >>> it was where the Moysey family had lived. I believe that my Treeby family >>> was somehow connected to this Moysey, and I am wondering if you have >>> researched this name as a possibility that they are related to your >>> family! >>> >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >> try.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Chris, I Looked on FMP and there is a burial at Harpford in 1841 for Francis Harris born c 1770 as well as for Frances Harris born c1778. I didn't see it originally on FreeBMD because the surname has been given an extra s - Harriss. The death falls in the March quarter of 1841 so it was before the census was taken on June 7 1841. It does look as if Francis and Frances may both have moved to Harpford. It might be worth ordering a copy of the will to see who is named in it which will, hopefully, confirm his children's names. Also, if you obtain the death certificates, they may have the name and relationship of the person who notified the Registrar which could also verify that they are the Francis and Frances who baptised children at Oakford. The age at death is consistent with the Francis Harris baptised at Harpford 26 Nov 1769, parents William and Priscilla. Joy ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 04/01/2017 - 18:00 (GMTST) To : [email protected], [email protected] Subject : Re: [DEV] Harris family Oakford Hi Joy, I made a trip to the Family History Center in Los Angeles yesterday and printed out a lot of records from FMP. I agree with everybody's analysis that William Harris must have had family ties in Aylesbeare and moved there after the death? Of his first wife although I can find no marriage or death record for Mary. One thing is a bit strange William and Caroline Harris had two children with Caroline's maiden name Dyer for a middle name (Ann Dyer Harris 1831 and Sarah Dyer Harris 1829) I would have thought that the parents were not married but they did marry in 1829 it sounds so 21st century. I did see the 1841 census showing Frances Harris aged 60 in Newton Poppleford and also a burial for Frances aged 63 in Harpford. So could it be possible that after the death of her husband Frances moved from Oakford to be close to her children William and Betty? I will continue looking for Francis and Frances Regards Chris Martin The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Happy New Year everyone.Having been off-line for some while I am just trying to catch up on umpteen Devon Lists, so forgive me if I am out of date.I have HAMBLY/HAMBLEY/etc,   of Plymouth, ancestry via my mother. They were mostly mariners. Glad to make contact with anyone who thinks they may be related. One connection runs back to BUTLER/BUTLAND of the Ashburton/ Buckfastleigh/ Berry Pomeroy district in the 18th century.Stephen. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, 7 Dec, 2016 at 9:03, [email protected]<[email protected]> wrote: Send DEVON mailing list submissions to     [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit     http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/devon or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to     [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at     [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DEVON digest..." Please ensure that you change the subject line to the message subject when replying, and PLEASE DELETE ALL THE OTHER DIGEST MESSAGES EXCEPT THE ONE YOU ARE REPLYING TO. Please do not leave it as a DIGEST heading. Thank you Today's Topics:   1. Re: GENUKI/Devon What's New - November 2016 ([email protected])   2. Re: GENUKI/Devon What's New - November 2016 (Brian Randell)   3. Re: Roll Call - HAMLYN ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:18:10 GMT From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon What's New - November 2016 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi, Brian-- Just checking--are those Charles Parish BMD transcriptions for Plymouth/Charles or "my" Charles of North Devon? Cheers-- Sue Budlong in Falls Church, Virginia, U.S.A. OPC for Charles and High Bray parishes, North Devon DFHS #1135 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 21:59:15 +0000 From: Brian Randell <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Cc: Brian Randell <[email protected]>, Lindsey Withers     <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DEV] GENUKI/Devon What's New - November 2016 Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Sue: They are for ?your? Charles. :-) Cheers Brian > On 6 Dec 2016, at 17:18, [email protected] wrote: > > Hi, Brian-- > > Just checking--are those Charles Parish BMD transcriptions for Plymouth/Charles or "my" Charles of North Devon? > > Cheers-- > > Sue Budlong in Falls Church, Virginia, U.S.A. > OPC for Charles and High Bray parishes, North Devon > DFHS #1135 > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ? School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = [email protected]  PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:37:20 +1100 From: [email protected] To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DEV] Roll Call - HAMLYN Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, Sorry for this late message as I have been away. Does anyone with HAMLING, HAMBLIN, HAMLYN, etc in their family have a Thomas HAMLING living in Knowle, Braunton in the 1930's in their family tree? Born 1876 Hull, Yorkshire Died 1941, Braunton Father - probably John (Bowden?) HAMLING born 1844 Brixham Mother - Rose born 1851, Paddington, London Brothers: John Edward 1870-1834 Georgeham, Christopher Bowden 1872, Frederick Emmet 1880. Married 1890, Devonport Florence Daisy BASTIN,  Born 1877 Honiton, but living  in Exmouth on 1891 census until marriage. I think she died in Sussex in 1961. 4 daughters, Rose Marion, married STANNEY - 4 children Lilian, married Harold? BEVERAGE Freda, married Frederick J LITTLEJOHNS Florence Daisy, married Henry L HOOPER According to his obituary in the North Devon Journal he was in the Royal Navy, Coastguard, British Legion, and Hearts of Oak Friendly Society. Though he was born in Yorkshire I think his family were from Devon. According to my family stories he was away on long voyages but spent time between voyages in Exmouth somewhere between 1885-1900 which is where he met my grandmother and his wife Florence Daisy. Thanks, Diana Melbourne > > Greetings Sher > > Do your HAMBLY variants include HAMBLING, HAMLYN or HAMLIN? > > I have HAMLINs (with variant spellings!) in North Devon, > particularly in Frithelstock and Barnstaple, less than 5 and 10 miles from > Bideford respectively. > > Cheers > >      Pam >      Beaudesert, Queensland, Australia > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ <http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/> >  and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ <http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/> ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon <http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon> > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the DEVON list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the DEVON mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of DEVON Digest, Vol 11, Issue 193 **************************************

Paul, Thank you for the advice. I believe you may be right. Regards Len -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Hockie Sent: 30 December, 2016 10:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Pole William (Sir) Colcombe [Colyton] Len, I worked my way back to a Poyle family in the late 18c in Ashbrittle just over the border in Somerset. I have since seen the name spelled Poile, Pole, Pool, Polle, Poole ..... Standard spelling did come until the latter part of the 19c when civil registration of births was made compulsory and there was elementary education for (nearly) all. Prior to that it was a phonetic spelling or how it was spelled in the last entry. I have this with other families and found there was a rough correlation between change of spelling and change of incumbent/parish clerk. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Len Heyward Sent: 30 December 2016 02:52 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Pole William (Sir) Colcombe [Colyton] Bev; Thanks for your post. I also have POLE/POOLE in my database, but always considered them as two separate families. Would always gratefully receive any further info you may have. Regards Len Heyward -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 10 December, 2016 3:12 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Pole William (Sir) Colcombe [Colyton] DEV knt 1635 W ab PCC Afternoon Not my family, but came across this when looking for other things. The above is Sir William POLE's Will located in the Devon Wills Project Lots of info here plus a lots of other Devon names for anyone who has not checked out this website Full text of "Genealogical gleanings in England. [Parts I-xxiii,xxv] https://archive.org/stream/genealogicalglea02wate/genealogicalglea02wate_djv u.txt Under 926 GENEALOGICAL GLEANINGS IN ENGLAND. heir apparent William Poole for term of four score years if he so long shall live and after said term ended it shall be to William Poole son of the last- named William Poole my heir apparent by Mary his wife daughter of Mr. Justice Periam for four score and nineteen years if he the same William Poole now being the youngest so long shall live, and after said term ended it shall be to such person or persons as from time to time shall be the heir male of my body lawfully begotten during the term of one thousand and one hundred years from thence next following and fully to be complete, re- mainder to mine heirs female &c. To every of my cousins William and Thomas Broughtou one yearly rent of four pounds &c. To Laurett Grene my goddaughter forty shillings yearly so long as she shall serve my wife and at the day of my wife's death ten pounds so as she shall marry with the consent of Leonard Grene her brother. The executors to be John Popham Esq. the Queen's Majesty's Attorney General, Thomas Hanhain and George Wadham Esqs. Spencer, 62. [William Poole of Shute, Devon, the testator, married Katharine Popham, sister of Sir John Popham, Lord Chief Justice of the King's Bench, and aunt of Capt. George Popham (ante, p. 460), the leader of the short-lived colony that settled in August, 1607, near the mouth of the Kennebec River. The testator was buried at Shute, Aug. 24, 1587. His widow was buried there Nov. 9, 1588.- Editor.] There is much more to this if anyone is interested. Regards Bev Edmonds ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a great book Ken, wish we could see more set out like this. Thank you for sending the link. Regards Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Ken & Teresa Ripper" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 3:05 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DEV] Methodist Churches AGAIN > Just over the border in Cornwall is the village of North Hill. The history > group website has a published copy of "Truly Rural" which, if you are > looking for background information, is an excellent source. Go to .. > http://www.northhillhistory.co.uk/tr/tr00.htm > Ken > > > > On Wednesday, 4 January 2017, 15:28, Vivienne Simmons > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Found this > http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-to-rent/property-33597465.html. It > appears that it's the Methodist Chapel turned into accommodation. It > would > have to be verified, of course. It's likely that the local library would > know. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vivienne Simmons > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 10:00 AM > To: 'blackmore terry' ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] Methodist Churches > > > There's a picture of a Methodist chapel in Landkey here: > https://ehive.com/collections/4577/objects/191945/old-landkey-bible-christian-chapel > > -----Original Message----- > From: Graham Parnell > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:16 AM > To: 'blackmore terry' ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] Methodist Churches > > Not sure where the tread to this reply is, but I hope that this will help: > From History of Methodism in North Devon, published by the Weslyan > Conference Office in 1871 > "About the time that the foundation stone of Barnstaple Chapel was laid, > Mr > Mewton had the honour of initiating another movement for the erection of a > new chapel at Landkey; and on the 26th of March, 1868, the foundation > stone > of the building was laid by Mr William Brock of Exeter, who contributed > £20 > to the building fund. The chapel was opened on the 6th January 1869, by > the > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Joy, All I can say is the forums , indexes and transcriptions have their fair share of errors and omissions and best practice is to get a copy of the original. The burden of proof is up to the individual Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon Sent: 03 January 2017 19:13 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] surnames: Lock/Holland/Chown/Trute/Cudmore/Squire/Tucker/Southcombe/Shipland/Morrish/Ashwin Well, Paul, I think I would apply a bit of common sense. If there are multiple marriages for the surnames then obviously this cannot be relied on. But when there is only one Trute/Ruffle marriage indexed on FreeBMD and three children are registered with those combined surnames in the next 6 years then, hey, I'd live dangerously and make the wild assumption they might be related! Regards, Joy ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 03/01/2017 - 17:29 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : Re: [DEV] surnames: Lock/Holland/Chown/Trute/Cudmore/Squire/Tucker/Southcombe/Shipland/Morrish/Ashwin I would not recommend using an index without a copy of the registry entry. There is too much corroborating information on the certificate, fathers names, profession etc. Too many times have I seen that groups of families use the same forenames and tend to produce a generation of the same name. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Joy Langdon Sent: 03 January 2017 14:37 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] surnames: Lock/Holland/Chown/Trute/Cudmore/Squire/Tucker/Southcombe/Shipland/Morrish/Ashwin You can use http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl to try and work out the names of children, who they married and when they died. From 1912 you can search birth registrations using mother's surname so, for instance, a search using Trute as surname and Lock as maiden name results in two names being registered in the Barnstaple district: Thomas A in 1921 and Sydney J in 1922. A search using Ashwin in surname and Lock in mother's surname gives 4 results and so on. You can then continue with searching for what happened to the children. A Thomas A Trute married a Jean C Ruffle in Surrey in 1943 and their are 3 Trute/Ruffle birth registrations, one in Surrey, one in Plympton and one in Plymouth. Sydney J Trute married Betty E Rooke, Barnstaple registration district 1949. If you are hoping to contact descendants, once you get to people still likely to be living try searching their names on the internet, they sometimes have Facebook accounts. It may be worth looking at FindMyPast, you can pay per view if you don't want a subscription. Searching the newspaper archive for George Lock, Swimbridge gets many results including what looks like an interview with your grandfather in 1937. My subscription has expired but the bit of the report I can see from the search says: "18 Feb 1937 North Devon Journal - Interesting Homecomer Interview - A man of many parts is at present on holiday with his parents at Swimbridge. He is Mr George Lock, son of Mr and Mrs George Lock of Station Cross, Swimbridge and formerly of Indiwell Farm. Mr George Lock......." I couldn't see a marriage on Freebmd for George Lock and Ellen Holland. Using the new GRO search facility to, which displays mother's surname, searching for George and his brother Emanuel's birth registrations shows that George's parents were James Lock and Elizabeth Ward who married in 1854 (see FreeBMD). There are transcriptions of Chittlehampton PRS from the mid 1600s to 1837 on Genuki Devon: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Chittlehampton Regards, Joy Langdon ----Original message---- >From : [email protected] Date : 02/01/2017 - 21:33 (GMTST) To : [email protected] Subject : [DEV] surnames: Lock/Holland/Chown/Trute/Cudmore/Squire/Tucker/Southcombe/Shipland/Morrish/Ashwin i”m searching for information on my paternal great grandparents and their extended families. My great grandfather, George Lock, was born 1855, Chittlehampton, Devon, and his wife, Ellen Holland, born in Swimbridge, Devon [1858]. I anticipate they are buried in a Methodist cemetery near or in Swimbridge. Rev. G. Richards [Methodist] conducted Ellen's service. Newspaper Headline reads, “Loss to Swimbridge, funeral of Mrs George Lock". At the time of her death, she was 83 and was survived by 5 daughters and 2 sons*. Information about the funeral was taken from a newspaper clipping with no date and includes only the last part of the name of the newspaper on the masthead, the letters “rald”. Herald? I have no information on my ggrandfather’s death. I know from the clipping that Ellen predeceased him. Living children of Ellen, at the time of her death were: Lucy Ashwin [Isle of Wight], Louise [George] Trute, A. Stevens [Plympton], Bertha Chown, [Swimbridge] and Mrs [unknown] Squire [Swimbridge] Maud Cudmore [Barnstable], Mrs Beatrice Tucker [Ontario, Canada], **George Abner Locke [Catherine Locke nee Thomas], Strathroy, Ontario, Canada, Jim Lock [Ontario, Canada] and Beatrice Tucker [Ontario, Canada]. I believe the first name of Beatrice’s husband was Bill. Grandchildren in England included: George & Joyce Cudmore and Ira and Rita Chown. [There may have been more grandchildren]. Also attending the funeral were Mr. and Mrs F. Southcombe, brother in law and sister in law & Mesdames Shipland and Morrish [included as family, but relationship not disclosed]. *A son of George and Ellen, Thomas Alfred Lock, died in January 1919, while returning to Devon with the British Armed Forces. Buried at sea. His Commonwealth war gravestone is in Greece. This information was not included on the clipping **George Abner Locke is my grandfather. The “e” was apparently added to our surname at the time of his marriage in Canada to my grandmother, Catherine Thomas, known as “Cassie.” Lucy Ashwin and Louise [aka Louie] with her husband George Trute visited my grandparents for about 1 year sometime between 1960 and 1963. I believe Louie and George had 3 sons. Lucy Ashwin had a Daughter, Doreen (husband, Gerald), and a grandson, Timothy, Surnames not known Beatrice and her husband may have had at least one child, a son; Bill? I believe “Beaty”returned to & was buried in England. Any leads or information that can share on members of the European side of this extended family would be sincerely appreciated. I have information on the North American family. Dennis Locke, Brampton, Ontario, Canada ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you all, that answers my question. Thanks again Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Adrian Parry" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2016 6:45 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [DEV] Union House > Hello Bev > > The blunt answer is "No". See > http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/plympton%20st%20mary.html for > the area included in that district. > > Adrian > > > On 14/11/2016 20:20, B. Edmonds wrote: >> Morning all, >> >> In the GRO Index for Births, if the Reg Dist. is recorded at Plympton St >> Mary Union, does this mean that the child was born at the Union House? >> >> >> Thanks >> Bev >> > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Morning all, In the GRO Index for Births, if the Reg Dist. is recorded at Plympton St Mary Union, does this mean that the child was born at the Union House? Thanks Bev

Registration districts were based on the 'Unions' formed by the new Poor Law of 1834. They were districts each consisting of several parishes obliged to band together to build a collective workhouse, which was cheaper for all concerned. When registration came in presumably it was administratively easier to use the same set up geographically as was being used for the administration of the Poor Law. So no it doesn't mean the child was born in the union workhouse - all the Registration districts were unions. Pam S. -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brad Rogers Sent: 14 November 2016 20:48 To: Devon ML Subject: Re: [DEV] Union House On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:20:59 +1000 "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello B., >In the GRO Index for Births, if the Reg Dist. is recorded at Plympton >St Mary Union, does this mean that the child was born at the Union >House? No personal experience of Plympton St Mary Union RD, but Epping Union RD does not imply birth at a Union house. I'd expect the same to apply here. As an aside; RD's are big areas. What they're called doesn't always reflect the areas they cover. They (RDs) can cross county borders, for example. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It's only the children of the ------- wealthy tend to be good looking Ugly - The Stranglers ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Tue, 15 Nov 2016 06:20:59 +1000 "B. Edmonds" <[email protected]> wrote: Hello B., >In the GRO Index for Births, if the Reg Dist. is recorded at Plympton >St Mary Union, does this mean that the child was born at the Union >House? No personal experience of Plympton St Mary Union RD, but Epping Union RD does not imply birth at a Union house. I'd expect the same to apply here. As an aside; RD's are big areas. What they're called doesn't always reflect the areas they cover. They (RDs) can cross county borders, for example. -- Regards _ / ) "The blindingly obvious is / _)rad never immediately apparent" It's only the children of the ------- wealthy tend to be good looking Ugly - The Stranglers

Hello Bev The blunt answer is "No". See http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/genuki/reg/districts/plympton%20st%20mary.html for the area included in that district. Adrian On 14/11/2016 20:20, B. Edmonds wrote: > Morning all, > > In the GRO Index for Births, if the Reg Dist. is recorded at Plympton > St Mary Union, does this mean that the child was born at the Union House? > > > Thanks > Bev >

Thank you Jan for your link to the spreadsheet instructions to try and figure out the subdistrict of births. I will see if I can figure this spreadsheet out. :) Anne

The London Lives website (www.londonlives.org) has a country-wide register of fire insurance policies during the period 1777--1786, which can be searched by name with results including details of occupation, location and policy date, such as Edmund STOOKE, linendraper, Fore Street, Exeter, 1st January 1781 WM BEAVIS, BUTCHER PROPRIETOR, PLYMPTON DEVON, 1st January 1780 It is probably best searched by surname but can also be searched by keyword for surname, occupation and location but that is not working too well at present and seems to be limited to 220 results per search so it is difficult to estimate the very large number of Devon policyholders. There were, for example, 112 policies in Axminster, 202 in Tiverton, 210 Barnstaple, and far more than 220 in Exeter and Plymouth, so there must be several thousand in the whole county. Note, as in the example above, that the location does not always include the county name. This might be the best available "census" of professionals and tradesmen at that time. Does anyone know of anything comparable? Martin Beavis