Hello, I manage the DNA of several of my cousins one of whom has Nankivell ancestors on her "other" side, ie, not shared with me. Her GEDMatch number is A579963 and I'd welcome contact with any of her DNA matches in this line. Her great-grandfather, Richard NANKIVELL was born in Lidford, Devon in 1847 and moved to the Camelford area of Cornwall (living with his brother who had moved earlier) before marrying and settling in north Cornwall, dying there in 1908. He and his brothers were all stone masons and I was interested to read that one of the other list members mentioned that their connection in this family was a mining engineer. The Camelford area was important for mining/ quarrying for very many centuries. My cousin was under the impression that this was a Cornish name and was surprised to hear that her ancestor come from Devon. I have not researched it, but I suspect that one line of enquiry would be that this was, in effect, a family of "journeying stoneworkers", originating in Cornwall but travelling to where the best mining or quarrying work happened to be. Later in C19, many Cornish miners and other stoneworkers migrated more permanently to work in the rapidly expanding mining industries in the British Colonies - in South Africa, Canada, Australia ... Susan Johnstone > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2017 17:20:57 -0600 > From: Carol <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [DEV] DEVON Digest, Vol 12, Issue 358 > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello, > > I have many ancestors with the variations of the name Nankivell--mostly > Nancekivel, but some Kankivells also. I have heard they may have been from > Cornwall. The earliest I can locate is Rbt Nancekivel born in 1600 in > Langtree, Devon who was my 7th great grandfather. The generations from > there are: > William born in 1630 in Langtree, John born `1687 in Langtree, Thomas born > 1731 (not sure where he was born, but could have been Farringdon), Thomas > II > born 1763 in Parkham, and Elizabeth Nancekivell born 1808 in > Woolfardisworthy. > > Do you have any information about the Nankivell family that you could > share? > I have been searching for information about them for many years and always > hope to learn something new. I would so appreciate anything! I would love > to know where Thomas I was born--was it in Farringdon? > > Carol > Colorado, USA > > > >

Hi, if you go to genuki devon langtree , you will see that it is a parish which buts onto Parkham and several other parishes . You will also see that Betsy Rubel offers to do look ups in the parish registers from the 1600s . Are you sure of the line from Robert born 1600 to William b 1630, to John born 57 years later in 1687, to Thomas born 44 years later to Elizabeth b 45 years later . I might be tempted to suggest that there are generation gaps between these . Also Farringdon whilst not impossible is in the south of the county a good long way from N Devon . -----Original Message----- From: Carol Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 12:20 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] DEVON Digest, Vol 12, Issue 358 Hello, I have many ancestors with the variations of the name Nankivell--mostly Nancekivel, but some Kankivells also. I have heard they may have been from Cornwall. The earliest I can locate is Rbt Nancekivel born in 1600 in Langtree, Devon who was my 7th great grandfather. The generations from there are: William born in 1630 in Langtree, John born `1687 in Langtree, Thomas born 1731 (not sure where he was born, but could have been Farringdon), Thomas II born 1763 in Parkham, and Elizabeth Nancekivell born 1808 in Woolfardisworthy. Do you have any information about the Nankivell family that you could share? I have been searching for information about them for many years and always hope to learn something new. I would so appreciate anything! I would love to know where Thomas I was born--was it in Farringdon? Carol Colorado, USA -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of margmansfield Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] DEVON Digest, Vol 12, Issue 358 Hi Len, Nosworthy in my Nankivell data base but not recently. Joan Nosworthy 1754-1831 daughter of Ambrose and Mary Mortimore married 1848 John Tremills and they had 6 children. In my husband's family the most recent Yelland I've recorded is Charles b. abt. 1910 and his brother George, sons of George and Margaret nee Wilshusen. She had 7 Douthat children with her first husband Robert Henry Douthat. How are you and how is you research going? Marg. ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Carolyne, I have found that most archives are vague about their offsite ordering services and payment. I usually email and ask the question. If you can give the specific reference and request an image, it is usually a reasonable charge. Staff levels are usually too low to offer a research and they suggest using a professional. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Carolyne Bruyn Sent: 17 August 2017 03:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] Access to Records Held at the Devon Heritage Centre Hi, I am a longish term subscriber to this List and find it exceptionally useful and informative. I have Knight / Night families in Hatherleigh and Black Torrington, North Devon. I live in Sydney, Australia and have just found abstracts of wills left by two members of this family in Black Torrington, listed in the Devon Wills Project and held at the Devon Heritage Centre. I've had a look at their website and am no wiser as to whether I can order copies of these transcripts? Or, maybe, big ask, long shot, a kind subscriber to this List who lives close by and/or regularly visits the Centre for research purposes, might be able to get copies for me? Happy to pay all costs. Perhaps easier if I can send details off list? Regards, Carolyne ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Edna for that. Yes, I knew there was a Tidwell farmhouse as that is where I have a couple of sets of ancestors identified from Census data, Wills and other documents. I haven’t seen that site though. I believe it’s a bijou b&b now! I don’t think apprentices, labourers etc would have been in the house with the family so I’m just wondering if there was another house/cottage which was used but not listed separately. Must be I guess. x > On 17 Aug 2017, at 14:53, liverpud <[email protected]> wrote: > > Jane Lucas, > > There is a Tidwell Farmhouse at Staverton, Devon perhaps of interest to you: > > http://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101147410-tidwell-farmhouse-staverton#.WZWfOOmQxGA > > Ap - Apprentice > MS - Man Servant > FS - Female Servant > Ind - Independent > > Cheers, > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:27 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] 1841 CENSUS STAVERTON > > Hi All > > Is anyone familiar with the geography of this Parish? I’m looking at a transcription of the 1841 Census which I found on GENUKI. Not sure who produced it. GENUKI say it came from the Parishes of the South Hams website but I can’t see who runs it. > > They have transcribed Tidwell as Tedwell, which probably doesn’t matter as most people will know that’s an error. There’s also a person missing. > > My question however is was Tidwell an area or a farm? I’d assumed the latter based on Wills I’ve found. In 1841 I have a number of people living there which I already knew and they are all shown. However, there are eight people transcribed as living at Tidwell that I have never heard of. Perhaps there was a farm cottage that the enumerator listed separately but didn’t record a place name? The original image lists them with Tidwell before going on to the next household. The Ancestry Record shows all those unknown (to me) eight as a separate household but there is definitely no new name in the place column in the original image. > > It’s quite interesting as three or four of the unknowns have occupations as ‘Ap’ which I take to be apprentice? > > Also does anyone know what ‘FS’, ’MS’ or ‘Ind’ means in the Occupation column? > > Many thanks > Jane Lucas > Devon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Jane Lucas [email protected] 01297 792363 00 44 (0)7 77 55 72 00 4

The transcriber has, as is required when making transcriptions, recorded how the written document is shown - Tedwill (not Tedwell as you mention). The next address in the census is Landscove which is in the middle of the map shown here http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/Staverton/ParishMap Regards, Deborah O’Brien Devon OPC Co-ordinator DFHS Member 11261 http://genuki.cs.ncl.ac.uk/DEV/OPCproject.html Online Parish Clerk for Meavy, Newton Ferrers, Roborough by Torrington, Sheepstor, Walkhampton http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dob7/index.html Researching SQUANCE, LILLICRAP, SURTEES, DANKESTER & YATES -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jane Lucas Sent: 17 August 2017 13:27 To: [email protected] Subject: [DEV] 1841 CENSUS STAVERTON Hi All Is anyone familiar with the geography of this Parish? I’m looking at a transcription of the 1841 Census which I found on GENUKI. Not sure who produced it. GENUKI say it came from the Parishes of the South Hams website but I can’t see who runs it. They have transcribed Tidwell as Tedwell, which probably doesn’t matter as most people will know that’s an error. There’s also a person missing. My question however is was Tidwell an area or a farm? I’d assumed the latter based on Wills I’ve found. In 1841 I have a number of people living there which I already knew and they are all shown. However, there are eight people transcribed as living at Tidwell that I have never heard of. Perhaps there was a farm cottage that the enumerator listed separately but didn’t record a place name? The original image lists them with Tidwell before going on to the next household. The Ancestry Record shows all those unknown (to me) eight as a separate household but there is definitely no new name in the place column in the original image. It’s quite interesting as three or four of the unknowns have occupations as ‘Ap’ which I take to be apprentice? Also does anyone know what ‘FS’, ’MS’ or ‘Ind’ means in the Occupation column? Many thanks Jane Lucas Devon ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I didn't check every parish but Familysearch has images of the Bishops Transcripts as well some non-conformist registers and other records for the Devon FHS parishes. Those provided by Devon County Council only require a login, those licensed to FMP etc. require a subscription but all can be viewed free at a Family History Library. Many parishes have now been indexed and the image attached subject to FMP etc. subscriptions. 60,000 microfilms covers an awful lot of parishes across the country. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Terry Leaman Sent: 14 August 2017 22:46 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] devon parish registers The images on the Devon FHS members' only area are unique, they are not to be found anywhere else, except Devon Heritage Centre. Terry On 14-Aug-17 22:37 PM, Paul Hockie wrote: > It's worth knowing that the LDS have been converting all their microfilms to image. The LDS photographed entire local archives and over 60,000 films have been imaged.. They have been cleaned up electronically and most of these have not been indexed and are not available through FMP etc. Some are available online to registered Familysearch users, the rest to church members or at a Family History Library. The Familysearch online catalogue show what is available. > > The films themselves have been donated to the Society of Genealogists. > > Cheers > > Paul > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of C SWEETLAND > Sent: 14 August 2017 10:09 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [DEV] devon parish registers > > The earliest registers I have found in The Devon FHS members area are Plymtree beginning 1538 & Axminster 1539, the rest are mostly early 1600's. As far as I'm concerned access to these records on the site is worth more than the £10 annual membership fee, there's nothing like looking at original pages unless it's holding the original book. > Regards > Carol Sweetland > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Chairman - Devon Family History Society Registered Charity No. 282490 Web site: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk Email address: [email protected] Join for just £10 a year “Devon Family History Society’s strength lies in its local and specialist knowledge” ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> Dear List > > Five years ago I hit a brick wall searching for > the ancestors of William COLES of Washfield. He > was my 4x GG and the GG of John COLES > (businessman) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coles_(businessman) > > Here is what I do know: > > The earliest record of the name COLES in > Washfield PRs was in 1755. The first reference to > William is the baptism of John COLES, son of > William, in 1766, followed by the baptism of Mary > in 1768 and the death of William?s first wife, > Elizabeth (SWETLAND) in Jan 1769. William married Sarah NORMAN in Oct > 1769. And, there is a baptism of a William Coles at Culmstock on 27 Dec 1723, father Samuel. This is from a transcription on Familysearch so doesn't contain all the details. I can't find copies of the Culmstock registers online yet, so a check with the DRO might be in order. Keith

And, through experience another name to look at is COULS/COWLES/COULES etc Bev -------------------------------------------------- From: "Colin Rosewell" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2017 9:21 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: [DEV] William COLES (c. 1744-1829) of Washfield, Devon > Thank you to Bev and Terry for pointing out that > my emails to the list were blank. Possibly due to > me cutting and pasting from WORD into the > message. I have now parsed it through NOTEBOOK. I hope this works? > Colin. > > Dear List > > Five years ago I hit a brick wall searching for > the ancestors of William COLES of Washfield. He > was my 4x GG and the GG of John COLES >

Seeking information about evacuees to A la Ronde in WW2. A recent visitor to this National Trust site offered information from her mother. There were about 15 girls from Crossways school, Farnborough and 2 teachers Miss Skrimshire and Miss Dowset. Any memories would be of interest to both NT and Fleet and Farnborough Group of Hampshire Genealogical Society. As a member of DFHS and HGS I am acting as a central collector for any information for both parties. Fingers crossed! Richard Forster

Many thanks to Paul, Joy and Mike for your information. Devon List people are the greatest! The strange thing is, I received answers to my email, but have not yet received my original enquiry. Weird! Anyway, after following up on the Mormon Immigration index, I'm beginning to unravel the story of the James Watts family.    The WATTS family moved from the farm in North Devon to Cardiff, Glamorgan between 1851 and 1861.    The first to emigrate was George Albert WATTS (b.1837 West Down) who traveled as a labourer age 18 from Liverpool to New York in 1856 on board the sailing ship Caravan. He died in Utah in 1920.    His parents, James Watts (b.1801 Georgeham) and Elizabeth "Betty or Betsy" (nee STANBURY) (b.1795) followed him and traveled from Liverpool to New York in 1862 on board the William Tapscott. A journal written describing the voyage says "This ship was a three mastedsailing vessel, old and worn out; an old tub not fit for merchandise, but goodenough to carry the Mormons on. The ship was eight weeks and two days crossingthe ocean. After the ship landed in New York,she was not considered fit to carry anything back but lumber so they loaded herwith that and she water-logged and was lost at sea."     Traveling in 1862 with James and Betty were eldest son John Watts (b.1826 West Down) gardener age 35, Mary Watts age 11, and John's wife Margaret Watts age 59.    Also on board the William Tapscott in 1862 were James Watt's son William James Watts (b.1834 West Down) labourer age 26, his wife Eleanor Ann (HILL) age 21 and Mary Jane Watts, infant. The same family appears traveling from Liverpool to New York in 1864 on board the General McClellan, so apparently they went back to England for some reason. The second journey included Mary Jane Watts age 4 and the addition of William Henry Watts, infant.      James Watt's daughter Jane Watts (b.1829 West Down) married Edmond LYNHAM in 1854 at Llandaff Cathedral. Edmond Lynham, labourer age 37, traveled from Liverpool to New York in 1869 on board the Minnesota, traveling with his son George age 13 and daughter Elizabeth age 8.   Jane Lynham followed in 1870 from Liverpool to New York on board the Manhattan, with her children who are listed as Sarah age 7, Clara age 4, Heber age 3, Henry infant. I have not found James Watts's son James Watts (b.1828 West Down) in the Mormon archives, so perhaps he stayed in England, as his youngest brother Henry Watts (b.1838 West Down) certainly did, living in Cardiff and working on the railways. The family settled in Ogden, Weber County, Utah, and also in Bountiful, Davis County, Utah. I hope this bit of research can help someone. Meanwhile, if anyone has connections to this family I'd like to hear from you.     Fenella in Toronto ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Fenella Rook Smith <[email protected]> To: DEVON-L <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:17 PM Subject: James WATTS b. Georgeham 1801, family emigration to Utah James WATTS b.1801 Georgeham and wife Elizabeth "Betty" (nee STANBURY) (married in 1826 at West Down) farmed at Dean, West Down, North Devon, and had children John 1826, James 1828, Jane 1829, George 1832, William James 1834, George Albert 1837, Henry 1838. They appear in 1841 and 1851 census, but not 1861, and the family emigrated to USA, settling in Ogden, Weber County, USA, where James WATTS was buried in 1889. His children and their spouses are all buried in Ogden and in Bountiful, Utah.Which port would the family have travelled from? How long was the journey? Would they have decided to leave England because of financial reasons? Or been persuaded by Mormon missionaries? Were there many families from Devon who emigrated to Utah?James WATTS is my 2xg-grandfather's brother.ThanksFenella  

Hello, I am trying to visualize where my ancestor Mary Kerslake nee Cockram might have lived. In 1841 she was recorded as living in Back Lane Silverton, but google shows Back Lane as being closer to Bradninch. I wondered whether anyone with local knowledge might be able to tell please whether this is likely to be the correct one. Thanks in advance Peter

Sorry Ruth -- I've just realized I wasn't thinking straight. Barnstaple Union is the District in which the death was registered, not the parish of burial. By way of complication, the death of another Mary Lemon, but much younger, was registered in Bideford District in the same J Quarter 1861, so it's quite probable that both of those Marys, among others of the same name, are buried in various different parishes in North Devon. FamilySearch Catalog has Atherington PRs, including 1861 Burials, as digitised images that can browsed at an FHC, but not at home. https://familysearch.org/search/catalog/2325540?availability=Family%20History%20Library They are probably the same images that can be scrolled through on FMP, but I can't be sure because I don't have a current sub. I searched FMP/BNA hoping to find a report of Mary's funeral in the NDJ, but found none. And FMP has no non-conformist burials of any Mary Lemon in Devon. You have told us that Mary married her dead husband's brother, which was contrary to Canon law. We all know a lot of that went on and the first vicar may have turned a blind eye, especially if Mary had children who might have become a charge on the parish. But 20 years later, a different vicar of Atherington might have regarded Mary's second marriage as incestuously sinful and refused her burial in consecrated ground or her entry in the burial register, and might have refused James' gravestone to be inscribed as "Also Mary, widow of James and wife of his brother John". You probably know that farmer John Lemon remarried very soon after Mary's death: MARRIAGES. 1st inst., at Atherington, by licence, by the Rev. J. Arthur, rector, Mr. John Lemon, of Wixland farm, yeoman, to Mrs. Mary Down, of the same parish. 3 October 1861 - North Devon Journal Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Martin Beavis Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 10:48 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Mary LEMON or LEAMON nee PHILLIPS Hi Ruth -- How about this from the GRO Index? LEMON, MARY age 64 GRO Reference: 1861 J Quarter in BARNSTAPLE UNION Volume 05B Page 317 Barnstaple is about 8 miles from Atherington. Martin Beavis -----Original Message----- From: Ruth Wilson Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2017 5:08 PM To: Devon Subject: [DEV] Mary LEMON or LEAMON nee PHILLIPS Hi, I wonder if anyone can find the burial place of Mary Lemon (1798-1861). The North Devon Journal has the following announcement on 27 June 1861 24th instant at Wixland Farm, Atherington, Mary wife of Mr John Lemon aged 63. John is buried with his second wife (also Mary ) in Atherington Parish churchyard in 1894. Mary's first husband was James Lemon (brother of John) and he died in 1840 and is also buried in Atherington. There is no sign of Mary in the Atherington or High Bickington parish church registers. Can anybody suggest where else she may be buried - High Bickington chapel? Mary does not seem to have been baptised. I believe she was the daughter of John Phillips and Grace Hern. If her age at death is correct then she was born at about the time her father died and was buried in High Bickington. I have assumed that in the aftermath of her birth, her father's death and her mother being left with seven children, it got overlooked. Her mother's sister Ann Rendel (nee Hern) appears in all the censuses from 1841 to 1861, living with Mary at Wixland farm, so there seems to be a family connection. Thank you Ruth ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Alexander's discharge is also on Findmypast. It gives his birth as 1789 in Tandragee. He qualified for the Waterloo Medal and the two years extra pension credit. He would also get a share of the bounty, the value of cannons and other weaponss etc captured from the French. There were no bravery awards as we know them at this time, the Waterloo Medal was issued later and said it al about those who fought in the battle.There will me more in the musters and regimental record at the UK National Archives but this requires a visit. Tandragee is in the civil parish of Ballymore. There are no Catholic or Non-Conformist records until around 1849 but Church of Ireland records start in 1783. As far as I can tell microfilm copies are available in the Public Records Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) and some may be online at rootsireland.ie. In the PRONI e-catologue you may referencess to the family. Cheers Paul -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 24/4/17, Ruth Wilson <[email protected]> wrote: Subject: Re: [DEV] Brick wall for Robinson family To: [email protected] Date: Monday, 24 April, 2017, 18:36 Hi Janice, ALexander Robinson and Ann Adams married by banns on 15 Sept 1817 in Tiverton. Alexander was a soldier in the Inniskilling(sic) Dragoons and Ann was of this parish.  An image of the marriage record is on Find my Past. Ann the daughter of Isaac and Jane  Adams was baptised in Tiverton on May 24th 1794. This was also on Find my Past. Hope this helps Ruth On 24 Apr 2017, at 17:54, Janice wrote: > I am hoping the list can direct me where to go for my brick wall for Jane > Robinson Hawkins. I have found Jane in all the census up to 1881 in > Devonport. She and her husband, James Hawkins, came to St. Louis, Missouri > USA about 1883. Their son, John, sent for them.  Soon after James and John > die in St Louis and Jane is left alone. Her daughter-in-law, Lillie, does > not take her in as she remarries. Jane moves into the Home for the > Friendless in St. Louis which is a home for women who have no other place to > live. She dies in 1902. The Missouri Museum just had the records of this > home made available so I sent for Jane's records. I found that Jane's > husband, James Hawkins, was a sailor (actually a rigger at the Devonport > dock per census records.) Her father is Alexander Robinson born in > Tandergee, Ireland who was a soldier and received a metal for bravery in the > Battle of Waterloo. On the internet I found all soldiers in that war > received a medal. But for bravery is another thing. Jane's mother is Ann > Adams born in Tiverton, Devon. Now Jane was born in Edinburgh, Scotland > April 23, 1819. > > Now where do I go to find more detail about Ann Adams and Alexander > Robinson? This would be marriage records, war records, birth records etc. > > Sorry to make this so long but would appreciate some direction. > > Thanks, > > Janice in Arizona, USA > > > > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Clerkenwell workhouse also has problems with its "filthy state of a cesspool " in 1854 , but it also has Devon related items in the settlement of John Williams and his wife Elizabeth married in Dawlish , lived in Teignmouth ,( also 1854 ), he is now settled Chudleigh he is about 51 yrs of age and son of John and Mary Williams , the reference for this is in DRO . Also DRO and much earlier , 1807-23 , monthly meetings of the Society of Friends , misc papers, "vacancies on the staff of the Friends School and Workhouse , Clerkenwell " . I wonder if the latter isn`t a clue as to the organisation which might have provided funds for the journey , the Quakers have a huge reputation for their charity work with prisoners . And finally , this is another quite interesting idea , again 1824 , " Supporting letter to Tomlinson from John Webb, commending the prisoner for having brought his wife's mother and children from a St Austell workhouse [Cornwall] to London and providing for them; also noting the disinclination of the prisoner's wife to help procure his release." The prisoner was a Chelsea Pensioner and owed £200 ( in 1824) in fines for assaulting his wife . -----Original Message----- From: Diane Foster Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2017 1:40 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] travel from London to Plymouth c 1876 My ggm married an Italian Merchant Seaman and I have found no trace of him other than on their marriage certificate and his name on the birth certificates of the two babies born to them; plus their Roman Catholic Baptism in the Italian Church, London. I am very grateful to the suggestions arising from my question and have given me the opportunity to rethink ggm and her journey. Her stay in the Clerkenwell Workhouse was not very long, so I think as someone suggested, she was only there for the birth and a short time after Her father was a tortoishell worker and ended up as a widower dying in a workhouse, so the family were not very well off. I have not found any previous connection to Devon that would have caused ggm to skedadle off to Plymouth. I am very grateful to you all for your suggestions. sincerely, Diane On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:51 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Ah ha !!!! so more is known !!! when and > where did they marry ? and if she had a working husband the workhouse > would take steps to remove her to his care (?) . > > -----Original Message----- From: Diane Foster > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2017 1:17 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [DEV] travel from London to Plymouth c 1876 > > Hello Michael, no, ggm was definitely from London. I suspect she was > chasing her husband, a merchant seaman. Diane > > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Michael Walsby <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello Diane >> >> Do you know anything about your ggmother's early life ? For instance, if >> she was born in Plymouth and her parents lived there, she could have been >> sent back to her 'home' parish. I have an instance of this in which a >> man >> was sent from London to Bristol with the requirement to register in each >> parish in which he stayed overnight en route. >> >> If this is a possibility, it might be worth checking the poor law records >> of the appropriate London parish (if you know it !). >> >> Happy hunting, >> Michael Walsby >> >> >> >> Le 22/04/2017 à 05:05, Diane Foster a écrit : >> >> Listers, I have a ggmother who somehow travelled from the Workhouse in >>> London to Plymouth and married there in 1876. >>> >>> I am baffled by how she would have made the journey and afforded to do >>> so. >>> >>> If anyone has suggestions I would be most grateful to receive them. >>> >>> Diane - Western Australia >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >>> and >>> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >>> try.com/th/index?list=devon >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ >> and >> the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ances >> try.com/th/index?list=devon >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ances > try.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ances > try.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Diane, Which workhouse was it? Have a look at : www.workhouses.org.uk and see what records have survived. The Admission Register often listed the reason for discharge from the workhouse. Regarding the issue of Removal Orders, although the responsibility of a Parish had changed with the New Poor Law of 1834, the Settlement Acts remained in force, well into the 20th century, so it was possible that she was being "removed". Source: Ancestral Trails - Mark Herber (excellent book). Best wishes Mike Gould Leicestershire -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diane Foster Sent: 22 April 2017 13:21 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] DEV] travel from London to Plymouth c 1876 Thank you to all the people who have given me suggestions about my ggm. She was born and married in London. Married a merchant seaman and had two children by him - in the Workhouse. I sense she may have been abandoned or at the very least went off to Plymouth thinking to catch up with him since the first born was ill and subsequently died in the Workhouse. She had taken the second born with her to Plymouth. I like the idea that the Workhouse may have helped with the fare in an effort to catch the husband for assistance. One can only speculate without any proof. My story will certainly have several options for ggm and her journey to Plymouth. sincere thanks to all, Diane On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Adrian Bruce <[email protected]> wrote: > On 22 April 2017 at 11:56, ELIZABETH HOWARD <[email protected]> wrote: > > > It might be possible that the workhouse worthies found her enough > > money for a single fare to Plymouth , maybe she already knew her > > husband to be > , > > and one of the many charities working with the destitute poor found > > the cash ........1876 is very late almost the modern era so the > > removal > orders > > etc of the earlier times , may well have been abolished . > > > > There is a collection on Ancestry "London, England, Selected Poor Law > Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1930" - on a very quick look, I > found a removal order from 1901, so it was still an option then - > though under what precise circumstances, I don't know. > > (I did try to find out if Removal Orders etc still applied under the > "New Poor Law" Act of 1834 - explanations are *not* clear to me as the > context of Settlement and Removal Orders is always that of the Old > Poor Law, and I could find no explicit statement that the New PLA did > or didn't continue with the same concepts. Someone may be able to find > out better than me.) > > The Ancestry collection, by the way, "contains Poor Law records > relating to settlement and removals for the unions of Bethnal Green, > Hackney, Poplar, Shoreditch, and Stepney". > > Adrian > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon > can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joy, thank you. Found the entry as you said. Thank you to everyone again. One of Joseph's older brothers was a hairdresser too!!! Sent from my iPhone

Thank you, Paul. Yes , I think he was a hairdresser , the barber thing muddles it up a little but in the work house in Spalding in 1861 he is "barber" . Then 1871 he's hairdresser. Maybe there are two J R Parkers!! Sent from my iPhone

Dear Nancy, I have some Enlistment papers and it mentions Ashburton.... Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Nancy Frey Sent: Saturday, April 1, 2017 8:29 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [DEV] Frederick Charles Rodgman (c1893- ) Hi Edna, He's probably mine. RODGMAN is my mother's maiden name. Her father and her brother were both Frederick Charles RODGMAN. But I don't think they had any connection to Exeter. Frederick Charles RODGMAN (my grandfather) was born 25 Oct 1893 in Bideford, Devoon. Between 1896 and 1898 (birth of children) the family moved to Ashburton in south Devon. Why do you ask? Nancy Frey Windsor, Ontario On Sat, Mar 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM, liverpud <[email protected]> wrote: > Does anyone have a connection to F. C. Rodgman of Exeter? > > Edna - Ottawa > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ > and > the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb. > ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and the Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) List archive for Devon can be found at http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index?list=devon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

GENUKI Devon has several text items about the county dialect but no audio that I can find. But the British Library has an online audio collection of English dialects, at http://sounds.bl.uk/Accents-and-dialects/Survey-of-English-dialects Searchable by county, 11 recordings for Devon, just over an hour in total, mostly recollections of elderly farm workers in the 1950s and early 1960s. Each recording has an associated "linguistic description" for those furriners who might benefit from a little translation. Does anyone know of anything similar? Credit to Peter Calver for drawing attention to this resource http://lostcousins.com/newsletters2/latemar17news.htm Martin Beavis