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    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 321
    2. Susan

    3. Hi Jane, You are quite welcome and I was happy to help. I am a handwriting specialist – able to read scripts from all centuries back to 12thC (with and without Latin). So, if you find you’re stumped, or would like a line deciphered as a key to unlock the handwriting, I’d be more than happy to help, again. Best wishes, Susan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avast.com_antivirus&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=N2fTGutu_oFSM8rsZGxDegbOOdRy_Ut_bggu-S1sqt0&s=WjWGbRWVaYBh0QiVc0-b8PLIjC-vRQ9W-IzI41sYBBQ&e=

    10/10/2018 06:29:35
    1. [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills
    2. Mike Mallett

    3. As most of you know many Devon wills were destroyed in an air raid. I have an example of a transcript available in the DRO which is very abbreviated but one transcribed privately has the full inventory. Mike -----Original Message----- From: Jane Lucas via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com> Sent: 10 October 2018 10:27 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Jane Lucas <janelucas@me.com> Subject: [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills Hi Bev Yes.. that’s odd isn’t it, even given the small number of Devon Wills that survived. I don’t have any either. I have a number of early wills, mostly PCC so you’d expect them. TNA have one for Gregory Radford of Oakford (1677) listed in their catalogue. > On 9 Oct 2018, at 20:11, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > > What I have not come across with Devon Wills [especially the older ones], is an Inventory of Goods that is attached to the Will. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=LP3SvrhAjSOd1AosyJ3tMhttv060yX7Y9XveQeeL3Rc&s=CdDIC1iL_l4qD-X50VPi21yenmRkw-HX4sA6bbBYTnw&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=LP3SvrhAjSOd1AosyJ3tMhttv060yX7Y9XveQeeL3Rc&s=1truUEbJ9Ocknz2dYK7bmqiod5yKOtHyBcEj1FouX_w&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=LP3SvrhAjSOd1AosyJ3tMhttv060yX7Y9XveQeeL3Rc&s=M5r4TTNyJTGgaTNOJaiMTWvy1aSR8QTrWGw-77ghrGc&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=LP3SvrhAjSOd1AosyJ3tMhttv060yX7Y9XveQeeL3Rc&s=QXOUYd08-_b6V2z7zAZlPwj3OdahzlrCT3IPDvdLkbg&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=LP3SvrhAjSOd1AosyJ3tMhttv060yX7Y9XveQeeL3Rc&s=nx_7kZ_MYw3RQDI0BAoxn1fAgiF86zyxb_KDFx3EjhM&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    10/10/2018 02:27:17
    1. [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills
    2. Caren Wilcox

    3. Thank you, thank you, Devon List Members. I did not know how to go to the Devon Wills Project and a link was posted below. It turns out that I am one of the lucky persons. It appears that my gggrandfather's Will is part of the Inland Revenue Wills collection in the Records Office and I have written to them to see if I can get a copy. Philip Heaward (died at Totnes 1850) is my brick wall although I know Heawards have been "of record" in Devon since the 1500s. So maybe I can break the wall and get to the rest of them. Thanks again. Caren Wilcox Washington, DC -----Original Message----- From: Brian Randell [mailto:brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:57 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Brian Randell; Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills Hi Jane: Out of curiosity I had a quick look at the first Devon Wills Project web page (for testators whose names begin with the letter “A”) - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject_DWP-2DA&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=eoF2Vm-eu-lpubPEJ76kZfKy3OqLjhTpWYwbE7zGWEY&e= This mentions the word inventory over a hundred times, in connection mainly with pre-1857 wills and abstract, as well as recording actual Invenrors. However, how many of these entries contain an actual detailed inventory isn’t clear. Cheers Brian Randell On 10 Oct 2018, at 10:26, Jane Lucas via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>> wrote: Hi Bev Yes.. that’s odd isn’t it, even given the small number of Devon Wills that survived. I don’t have any either. I have a number of early wills, mostly PCC so you’d expect them. TNA have one for Gregory Radford of Oakford (1677) listed in their catalogue. On 9 Oct 2018, at 20:11, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au<mailto:beverley@yourisp.com.au>> wrote: What I have not come across with Devon Wills [especially the older ones], is an Inventory of Goods that is attached to the Will. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=-V3SWUBfnxlBdE6vEy6KPZ5Y8QRCrCjqVYEscyhDEu0&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=HbBDlztVkoAA117oQy7udXZuAynnUkyH4U2rlTonQ0E&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=XImZdXu75c9_PgLPt3VSqBou7mD_VOHWJetYz9hleIU&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=DAecTn7jctrUbUqw68jDpUCMVXBYAIEHjc3C8_SfL_w&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=TpmsDmwkXXsghYdgiRVVkOmmvtGTWrCL8FE0AfYqYdE&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com<http://Ancestry.com> and our loyal RootsWeb community — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncl.ac.uk_computing_people_profile_brianrandell.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=ZTNHfIcErSRJQ590ePbS-5qn17xMyJGQ_uQiWbVjTjI&e= _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=9SR3FvePf7NsJIyswP5Uon41rDBuDDOGx2XkTLMT1w8&s=OLtH6rrfehcxSr_0BdhqqKz3Q230PLjRve_78Otx8Ek&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=9SR3FvePf7NsJIyswP5Uon41rDBuDDOGx2XkTLMT1w8&s=8k3jtJf3JsS0lECsT65Jd1OT6pQUXB1uKZCv9fCC_e8&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=9SR3FvePf7NsJIyswP5Uon41rDBuDDOGx2XkTLMT1w8&s=GT3BC6-zUY14pAx2SnhbPRfUWgawMtm3lSdR0Z3Ndic&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=9SR3FvePf7NsJIyswP5Uon41rDBuDDOGx2XkTLMT1w8&s=C5kgzHiIPEeVsfyeBRwCr8eMjWQUV_CA8qMahYmkeOE&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=9SR3FvePf7NsJIyswP5Uon41rDBuDDOGx2XkTLMT1w8&s=6V-ZWERh-lgxYCLrrkQ9YsGlCx00b9zMX3hvGokSbUU&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    10/10/2018 12:12:42
    1. [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills
    2. Brian Randell

    3. Hi Jane: Out of curiosity I had a quick look at the first Devon Wills Project web page (for testators whose names begin with the letter “A”) - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject_DWP-2DA&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=eoF2Vm-eu-lpubPEJ76kZfKy3OqLjhTpWYwbE7zGWEY&e= This mentions the word inventory over a hundred times, in connection mainly with pre-1857 wills and abstract, as well as recording actual Invenrors. However, how many of these entries contain an actual detailed inventory isn’t clear. Cheers Brian Randell On 10 Oct 2018, at 10:26, Jane Lucas via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>> wrote: Hi Bev Yes.. that’s odd isn’t it, even given the small number of Devon Wills that survived. I don’t have any either. I have a number of early wills, mostly PCC so you’d expect them. TNA have one for Gregory Radford of Oakford (1677) listed in their catalogue. On 9 Oct 2018, at 20:11, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au<mailto:beverley@yourisp.com.au>> wrote: What I have not come across with Devon Wills [especially the older ones], is an Inventory of Goods that is attached to the Will. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=-V3SWUBfnxlBdE6vEy6KPZ5Y8QRCrCjqVYEscyhDEu0&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=HbBDlztVkoAA117oQy7udXZuAynnUkyH4U2rlTonQ0E&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=XImZdXu75c9_PgLPt3VSqBou7mD_VOHWJetYz9hleIU&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=DAecTn7jctrUbUqw68jDpUCMVXBYAIEHjc3C8_SfL_w&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=TpmsDmwkXXsghYdgiRVVkOmmvtGTWrCL8FE0AfYqYdE&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com<http://Ancestry.com> and our loyal RootsWeb community — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncl.ac.uk_computing_people_profile_brianrandell.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=cMAsbjMiW3L7Njr8FzzaBe0f5pjE93hxLv1BWBWW93g&s=ZTNHfIcErSRJQ590ePbS-5qn17xMyJGQ_uQiWbVjTjI&e=

    10/10/2018 08:57:14
    1. [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills
    2. Jane Lucas

    3. Hi Bev Yes.. that’s odd isn’t it, even given the small number of Devon Wills that survived. I don’t have any either. I have a number of early wills, mostly PCC so you’d expect them. TNA have one for Gregory Radford of Oakford (1677) listed in their catalogue. > On 9 Oct 2018, at 20:11, B. Edmonds <beverley@yourisp.com.au> wrote: > > What I have not come across with Devon Wills [especially the older ones], is an Inventory of Goods that is attached to the Will.

    10/10/2018 03:26:59
    1. [DEV] Inventory with Devon Wills
    2. B. Edmonds

    3. Morning List I have read with interest this great discussion and thank you to those who added information. What I have not come across with Devon Wills [especially the older ones], is an Inventory of Goods that is attached to the Will. I have several Wills from Wiltshire in the 1600's that include these. Sometimes another relative can sign off on these Inventory's which is always handy to find. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.thebalance.com_step-2Dby-2Dstep-2Dguide-2Dhow-2Dto-2Dprobate-2Dan-2Destate-2D3505261&d=DwICAw&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=qphBRkvCz5ZoXpfDJRsDf6SZJY986VAvLB7vOS2ZYI0&s=Znq2Txcrr-CX6nbivpVbdVUrVWFeywUKbKW4aEdnoWc&e= Has anyone been lucky enough to have found one attached to a Devon Will ? Bev Edmonds

    10/09/2018 01:11:09
    1. [DEV] Re Probate Calendar Wills and Admins
    2. Jane Lucas

    3. Thank you Jan and Susan These are all very thorough answers and tremendously helpful on top of Teresa’s advice, particularly the clarification of whether a Will was annexed or not, and exactly how to find details of the administration and of the Will if one existed. I’ve made some notes of all of this. I have in fact been slowly reading my way through various guides, including Ancestral Trails, for some time .. I also have a Gibson Guide for Probate Jurisdictions, amongst other things, but they didn’t seem to answer the questions I had. And learning the ins and outs of Probate has been low on my learning priority list as I haven’t needed it. I tend to learn the way around a lot of genealogy subjects as they come up. I feel rather sheepish about all of this as I think I was being rather lazy firing off the original question without giving it much thought. These people are not in my tree so I hadn’t worked on the information. I was handed it and asked if I knew what the wording meant. My question really related to (1) why there was a second grant and (2) why it described the administrators in the terms it did. If I’d thought about it properly, the answer to (2) is obvious. I didn’t know the answer to (1), and given my lack of experience in the field of Probate research, it would have taken me a lot of digging to find an answer, so I much appreciate your help. It’s a lesson in itself of all kinds. Most of my experience with Wills has been fairly simple late 19th C ones or much earlier one which were handled by ecclesiastical courts. Not really complicated to find and so far I’ve found the admin side of them straightforward. But they are often fiendishly difficult to read. I’ve been concentrating on trying to understand different types of early modern script. It is so very frustrating when you have the Will of a C16th or C17th ancestor but can only read a couple of words. The same goes for legal documents of the period. If they were completely in Latin (rare luckily), that would be a job for a specialist. I can manage a bit of Latin. Even so, old english with Latin sometimes thrown in is frequently very hard to read. It’s a slow learning curve. I’ve found so far that the only way to decipher something is to keep trying .. going back to it again and again. I found a list of different types of lettering for different hands and that helps.. a bit. Ah well.. if it was all easy there would be no challenge! Thank you again for all your help and patience. Jane

    10/09/2018 03:16:45
    1. [DEV] Death by lightning of a Devonshire descendant
    2. Jenny Duce

    3. This snippet was shared on the Facebook page of the Gympie Family History Society Inc. from the Brisbane Courier of Monday 23 January 1871. "A most lamentable death occurred at Ravenswood gold-field on the 24th ultimo. Mr. J. Wickey Stable, a well known solicitor, was on a visit in the district, and while sitting in the residence of Mr. Gold Commissioner Hackett, during a thunderstorm, he was struck dead by lightning. Mr Hackett and a female servant were rendered insensible for a time, and the apartment was much injured. Mr. Stable was thirty-five years of age, and the descendant of a Devonshire family. He leaves a widow , who resides on Gympie gold-field". I hope it is of interest to someone. Kind regards from Queensland. Jenny Duce

    10/08/2018 07:34:39
    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317
    2. Jonathan Frayne

    3. Sorry Terry, will do in future Jon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: tjleaman@gmail.com Sent: 08 October 2018 11:30 To: devon@rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317 This thread is a good example of the subject not being changed to represent the subject of the message!! (deliberately not changed by me!) PLEASE change subject lines from digest subject  to something meaningful. Terry list admin team On 08-Oct-18 11:15 AM, Jonathan Frayne wrote: > Its still true if a PCC will anyway isn’t it? > > Jon > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Adrian Bruce > Sent: 07 October 2018 12:05 > To: Devon Rootsweb > Subject: [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317 > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 10:32, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: > ... >> Double woe is me. Blasted memory. I just found a copy of the relevant >> parts of the admon on a memory stick. Will is 1764 and the admon is 1765. > ... > > Ah well indeed - anyway - what I wrote would be perfectly correct if > it were a post-1857 will and admon-with-will-attached (which happens) > so I'm not **really** misleading anyone. 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    10/08/2018 04:51:56
    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317

    3. This thread is a good example of the subject not being changed to represent the subject of the message!! (deliberately not changed by me!) PLEASE change subject lines from digest subject  to something meaningful. Terry list admin team On 08-Oct-18 11:15 AM, Jonathan Frayne wrote: > Its still true if a PCC will anyway isn’t it? > > Jon > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Adrian Bruce > Sent: 07 October 2018 12:05 > To: Devon Rootsweb > Subject: [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317 > > On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 10:32, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: > ... >> Double woe is me. Blasted memory. I just found a copy of the relevant >> parts of the admon on a memory stick. Will is 1764 and the admon is 1765. > ... > > Ah well indeed - anyway - what I wrote would be perfectly correct if > it were a post-1857 will and admon-with-will-attached (which happens) > so I'm not **really** misleading anyone. (rueful grin) > > Adrian > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=mVfeecKhSKEGb9okDkppBL9T4rmyZrGlcY0Dyzsg2mc&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=fNj9AWC78uXDlv9_Px9MlyJKLkBhkI-iMHQRj396C0M&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=xs_Dj1bELzm1fkI5eviv8SwTgPJ87pULGPJsLUc1Qto&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=_55nDMD9p3ZC4Y8bm9gZoyDGUPjMFqesRBi43gR2hpA&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=L-BLCiKsMVjLES2B2aEDoodd8MbIxtrJBUTspnuqyFE&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=Mq-NwJTTK1fImRFbil4UjbFreOtvuyi296SjkiP-il4&s=fjdHdSgWWG6b_VBVXe-alStLA68hEyXS3qAlieClbOY&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=Mq-NwJTTK1fImRFbil4UjbFreOtvuyi296SjkiP-il4&s=smPqZyfUehQCLQizoN59eX5uMK2jrhFN4DdJGvE93YI&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=Mq-NwJTTK1fImRFbil4UjbFreOtvuyi296SjkiP-il4&s=CRwZQs-ZdO5cFGfU80QcGFAxcM_NYLJF7Yd8N2ql4O4&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=Mq-NwJTTK1fImRFbil4UjbFreOtvuyi296SjkiP-il4&s=_T072eldErkHo104UHxGSwJ5twO5TZh7yys0L3nmoio&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=Mq-NwJTTK1fImRFbil4UjbFreOtvuyi296SjkiP-il4&s=DE9pCkzrSrJbDXUXUAKGMmi_P-lSfTYJclZyY2B9H-E&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- Chairman - Devon Family History Society Registered Charity No. 282490 Web site: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=Mq-NwJTTK1fImRFbil4UjbFreOtvuyi296SjkiP-il4&s=vKlHN-6xeEFXtd1-9clwCauMgvGbKFcgkhKpGsOCADc&e= Email address: chairman@devonfhs.org.uk Join for just £10 a year “Devon Family History Society’s strength lies in its local and specialist knowledge”

    10/08/2018 04:30:21
    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317
    2. Jonathan Frayne

    3. Its still true if a PCC will anyway isn’t it? Jon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Adrian Bruce Sent: 07 October 2018 12:05 To: Devon Rootsweb Subject: [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317 On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 10:32, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: ... > Double woe is me. Blasted memory. I just found a copy of the relevant > parts of the admon on a memory stick. Will is 1764 and the admon is 1765. ... Ah well indeed - anyway - what I wrote would be perfectly correct if it were a post-1857 will and admon-with-will-attached (which happens) so I'm not **really** misleading anyone. (rueful grin) Adrian _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=mVfeecKhSKEGb9okDkppBL9T4rmyZrGlcY0Dyzsg2mc&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=fNj9AWC78uXDlv9_Px9MlyJKLkBhkI-iMHQRj396C0M&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=xs_Dj1bELzm1fkI5eviv8SwTgPJ87pULGPJsLUc1Qto&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=_55nDMD9p3ZC4Y8bm9gZoyDGUPjMFqesRBi43gR2hpA&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=BMTMOeGPVDzfRe66VAnEA4h2uy5wsVz2V0cAp5HZWrw&s=L-BLCiKsMVjLES2B2aEDoodd8MbIxtrJBUTspnuqyFE&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

    10/08/2018 04:15:03
    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317
    2. Adrian Bruce

    3. On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 at 10:32, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: ... > Double woe is me. Blasted memory. I just found a copy of the relevant > parts of the admon on a memory stick. Will is 1764 and the admon is 1765. ... Ah well indeed - anyway - what I wrote would be perfectly correct if it were a post-1857 will and admon-with-will-attached (which happens) so I'm not **really** misleading anyone. (rueful grin) Adrian

    10/07/2018 05:04:37
    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 317
    2. Keith Jeffery

    3. > Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2018 12:22:56 +0100 > From: Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@gmail.com> > Subject: [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 316 > To: Devon Rootsweb <devon@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAKMhhrnNSZ7Kh=rr=MrCywVBdnWtoZst0E68dN9SxkBo6E1N3Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 11:51, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: >> >> ... What I remember are the basic >> details and the years. Will is 1864 and the admon is 1865. The admon >> seems >> to have been occasioned by one of the the executors dying before the >> will >> was executed while the other withdrew. The part of the admon I have a >> copy >> of is a handwritten note that was attached to the admon with the details >> given. ... > > Thanks Keith - that will be an "Admon with Will Attached" then (done > under post-1857 Civil Court rules). No executors alive & willing to do > the job (as here) seems a classic case of why an Admon is needed even > though there is a will. The general advice to not bother with an Admon > (i.e. Letters of Administration) definitely does NOT apply in the > case of an "Admon with Will Attached" (it'll say that in the Probate > Calendar) because there's generally no other means of getting hold of > the will itself. And your case is good advice to read everything, not > just the will but all the supporting documentation. Double woe is me. Blasted memory. I just found a copy of the relevant parts of the admon on a memory stick. Will is 1764 and the admon is 1765. This will is for the wife and mother of the children. The husband/father is already dead - died in the same year and left a PCC will with a total estate of 100 pounds of South Seas Stock. There's a handwritten note with the names of the new executors, an obligations document listing the obligations of the new executors relating to the education of the children and a formal document appointing the new executors. Ah well. Keith

    10/07/2018 03:31:50
    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 316
    2. Adrian Bruce

    3. On Sat, 6 Oct 2018 at 11:51, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: > > ... What I remember are the basic > details and the years. Will is 1864 and the admon is 1865. The admon seems > to have been occasioned by one of the the executors dying before the will > was executed while the other withdrew. The part of the admon I have a copy > of is a handwritten note that was attached to the admon with the details > given. ... Thanks Keith - that will be an "Admon with Will Attached" then (done under post-1857 Civil Court rules). No executors alive & willing to do the job (as here) seems a classic case of why an Admon is needed even though there is a will. The general advice to not bother with an Admon (i.e. Letters of Administration) definitely does NOT apply in the case of an "Admon with Will Attached" (it'll say that in the Probate Calendar) because there's generally no other means of getting hold of the will itself. And your case is good advice to read everything, not just the will but all the supporting documentation. In the case of ordinary post-1857 Admons - where there is no will - I think that the **general** advice still stands - you get nothing other than what's in the Calendar. No doubt, somewhere there are exceptions, but since the Admon costs £10 from the government "Find a Will" site, it's an expensive way to get nothing extra. There is another case I've seen mentioned on message boards - the first grant of probate for a will is a normal Grant of Probate. Then, years later, something is discovered still belonging to the estate that hasn't been disposed of in accordance to the terms of the will - but the executors are all dead or incapable of taking up the role again. Then there has to be a second grant - this time of "Letters of Administration / Admon with Will Attached" to some new executors. Should one get that 2nd grant? I've no idea! It might say something about the fate of the original executors? Who knows, you might even get the 2nd grant as a freebie if it's been attached to the first? (That's being logical...) NB - all this applies solely to England & Wales. Adrian

    10/06/2018 05:22:56
    1. [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 316
    2. Keith Jeffery

    3. > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2018 10:57:33 +0100 > From: Adrian Bruce <abruce6155@gmail.com> > Subject: [DEV] Re: Probates and administrations > To: Devon Rootsweb <devon@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <CAKMhhrm+f8hyyr2s2uJ9+9ozD6QecohrgrEF3ufidUDa2Yk-7Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 10:09, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: >> I'm not sure I'd go this far. In one of the administrations I have (as >> well as having the will) there are two children (both are named in the >> will and are under age) who have their ages given as well as having the >> arrangements for their education given and the replacement executors. >> ... >> >> So, administrations CAN give useful information. ... > > Which side of the 1857 probate process divide (in England & Wales - > all bets are off elsewhere!) was that useful Admon? > > I'm not clear how consistent formatting & content of documents was > across the earlier church courts, so it might be that Admons then > **might** be more informative. > > If it's a post-1857 civil courts Admon, then you seem to be implying > that it's actually an "Administration With Will Attached" rather than > a "normal" Admon where there's no will. In that case, the process of > granting the Admon might have examined the will for unanswered > questions raised by the need for an Admon and documented them and / or > their answers in the Admon... Maybe? I'm working from memory here as the floor of the house we live on is being refurbished/redecorated at the moment, so my PC is in mothballs. I don't have a paper copy of the information. What I remember are the basic details and the years. Will is 1864 and the admon is 1865. The admon seems to have been occasioned by one of the the executors dying before the will was executed while the other withdrew. The part of the admon I have a copy of is a handwritten note that was attached to the admon with the details given. I threw out the rest of the admon as I was just starting research and was a bit iggerant of what I should keep and what toss out. Oh, woe is me. Keith > > I'm slightly guessing here because it sounds interesting so I'd like > to understand those background points. > > Adrian

    10/06/2018 04:50:36
    1. [DEV] Death by lightning of a Devonshire descendant
    2. Jenny Duce

    3. This snippet was shared on the Facebook page of the Gympie Family History Society Inc. Kind regards from Queensland. Jenny Duce[cid:image003.jpg@01D45D41.032D39E0] Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

    10/05/2018 02:51:46
    1. [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh
    2. Jane Lucas

    3. I spent some years growing up in Southport on the Lancashire coast.. seem to recall whelk stalls as well as cockles and shrimps .. I thought they were all disgusting! I think you can still get them there if you’re feeling nostalgic! > On 5 Oct 2018, at 10:42, Elizabeth Howard <elizghoward@gmail.com> wrote: > > In my childhood in Salterton , it was mainly crab and lobster of the > coast . I remember the Rogers boys bringing up from the beach , their > catch and taking it to "Old Daisy" Rogers who lived in a very original > tumbledown cottage called Ruggs Roost , apparently Rogues Roost , who > had a perpetual fire burning and a huge to me as a small child, huge > pot of boiling crabs and lobsters . . We got the throwouts and the > fish which weren`t nearly so popular , and my mother once had a gift > of a bucket of whelks !!! never hear of whelks now ….they were > hideous and needed a lot of cooking, and then you hooked them out of > their shells and chewed them furiously !! Salterton had several > grand hotels by this time !!! > >

    10/05/2018 04:18:21
    1. [DEV] Re: Probates and administrations
    2. Adrian Bruce

    3. On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 at 10:09, Keith Jeffery <keithj@kcbbs.gen.nz> wrote: > I'm not sure I'd go this far. In one of the administrations I have (as > well as having the will) there are two children (both are named in the > will and are under age) who have their ages given as well as having the > arrangements for their education given and the replacement executors. ... > > So, administrations CAN give useful information. ... Which side of the 1857 probate process divide (in England & Wales - all bets are off elsewhere!) was that useful Admon? I'm not clear how consistent formatting & content of documents was across the earlier church courts, so it might be that Admons then **might** be more informative. If it's a post-1857 civil courts Admon, then you seem to be implying that it's actually an "Administration With Will Attached" rather than a "normal" Admon where there's no will. In that case, the process of granting the Admon might have examined the will for unanswered questions raised by the need for an Admon and documented them and / or their answers in the Admon... Maybe? I'm slightly guessing here because it sounds interesting so I'd like to understand those background points. Adrian

    10/05/2018 03:57:33
    1. [DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh
    2. Our Mail

    3.  Thank you, Paul, Jane, Elizabeth, Roz and Adrian for your replies and suggestions. I am fairly certain that John's father was not from East Budleigh and could well have been a fisherman/seaman or indeed any other occupation and from any other parish.  It looks as though John Yates (as he became) was the start of the East Budleigh line. Having said that I did find a Frances Eliza Yeates, probably born circa 1780 (died March 1811), who had at least 2 children baptised in the parish (fathered by Matthew Lee) in 1801 & 1807 (Elizabeth as I believe you transcribed the parish, you may have found more).  Yes I had thought that the John Yeates in Salterton 1780 was a likely candidate for my John's father - but unfortunately I have found no proof.  As he was from the locale I'm sure there would have been a bond.  Perhaps it was lost? My family moved to Heavitree in the 1800's and I found information about them in the parish chest. Although my search for a bastardy bond was for one in the name of Yates, the likely father, I also looked for Smith.  In the absence of such a bond I had hoped to find Elizabeth Smith's name in other parish records, guessing she might need parish relief. Nothing found.  Also, it doesn't appear that John was indentured in any trade/occupation. in summary - a brick wall! John P.S. If only, as for another illegitimate child in my tree, the full father's name had been inserted as middle names!

    10/05/2018 03:52:18
    1. [DEV] Re: DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh
    2. Elizabeth Howard

    3. In my childhood in Salterton , it was mainly crab and lobster of the coast . I remember the Rogers boys bringing up from the beach , their catch and taking it to "Old Daisy" Rogers who lived in a very original tumbledown cottage called Ruggs Roost , apparently Rogues Roost , who had a perpetual fire burning and a huge to me as a small child, huge pot of boiling crabs and lobsters . . We got the throwouts and the fish which weren`t nearly so popular , and my mother once had a gift of a bucket of whelks !!! never hear of whelks now ….they were hideous and needed a lot of cooking, and then you hooked them out of their shells and chewed them furiously !! Salterton had several grand hotels by this time !!! On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 12:30 AM Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> wrote: > > Elizabeth, > > And, of course, as you probably know, fishing was very much a seasonal > occupation in those days, and whilst some fishermen in the SW would go > up to the North Sea to follow the fish down from Scotland to Gt > Yarmouth, &c., they would then come back down the South Coast, going > for Pilchard and Mackerel and so forth, often in company with some of > the North Sea boats, and local women would be involved in much of the > preparation for sending the fish off to market and salting it down, or > smoking or drying it for local consumption in the winter, or export, > so there was invariably the opportunity for some interaction between > the crews and the ladies, some I'm told leading to happy marriages > too. > > Paul > > On Thu, 4 Oct 2018 22:41:40 +0100, you wrote: > > >Or now I think of it. Had run off to sea or back to the safety of the fishing fleet. > > > >Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On 4 Oct 2018, at 19:56, Paul Hockie <paul@hockie.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> John, > >> > >> I checked FamilySearch and FMP for Yates male Devon Baptisms baptisms, 1700-1765, to cover the young and the old, within 10 miles of East Budleigh. There were none and it seems to me the father was out of town. It would probably worthwhile to repeat the exercise with burials and trying to match them up. > >> > >> I wonder if the vicar, as well as the surname/middle name, insisted on the use of the fathers forename to shame the guilty. > >> > >> Cheers > >> > >> Paul > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > >> Sent: 04 October 2018 01:23 > >> To: devon@rootsweb.com > >> Subject: [DEV] Re: John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > >> > >> Thanks Paul. I looked through the parish chest records in the Devon RO > >> when I was in Exeter some years ago, and didn't find a bastardy bond or > >> other record. There were quite a few Yates/Yeats in the area at the > >> time. As the Yates join my tree via Pamela b 1838, DNA will not be of > >> much use. So, a frustrating brick wall! > >> > >> John > >> > >> > >>> On 4/10/2018 5:09 AM, Paul Hockie wrote: > >>> John, > >>> > >>> Any records of illegitimacy would be in the Parish Chest, vestry minutes etc, or as bastardy bonds. Any remaining will be in the county archive. The OPC may be able to help. > >>> > >>> I had a (quick) search for any signs of Yates in the area at the time. The only one I found was a John Yeats in the 1841 census for East Budleigh, born 1767-1771. I would suggest a more thorough search. To include the neighbouring parishes. If there are no Yates nearby then the possibility is a military man. I noticed there seems to be some John Yates Smith s born in Lancashire. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Paul > >>> > >>> -----Original Message----- > >>> From: Our Mail [mailto:ourmail@chez-williams.com] > >>> Sent: 03 October 2018 13:13 > >>> To: Devon Rootsweb > >>> Subject: [DEV] John Yates Smith bpt 1776 East Budleigh > >>> > >>> It's more than 10 years since I last posed a question regarding the > >>> above, my gg grandfather. I am hoping that in the intervening years, > >>> someone has found the elusive information I seek, which will knock down > >>> this particular brick wall. > >>> > >>> The baptism register for East Budleigh records that on 3rd August 1776 > >>> John Yates the son of Elizabeth Smith was baptised. 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