Hi Jane I think you’ll find this is one of those annoying abbreviations in Latin. I think It should be ‘magistro’, the singular ablative of magister, or ‘by master’ William, in this case, in English. The lawyers in the PCC were addressed as Master so-an-so. You may find some sort of mark in the original that would (should) mark the use of the contraction. Jon Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Jane Lucas via DEVON Sent: 12 October 2018 17:30 To: devon@rootsweb.com Cc: Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: DEVON Digest, Vol 13, Issue 321 Hi Sue Thank you so much, that is a very kind offer. I’m just plodding on but might just take you up on it if I’m completely stumped. But you might help with the following quick question I have a Will with Probate clause and have mostly worked it out because there are standard phrases. However, there is one word which is niggling me in particular. It comes after the ‘Probatum fuit’… etc. So after ‘apud London coram’ is the word ‘magro’ which is followed by a name ‘William..o’. I’m fairly sure I’m right about the letters and am wondering if ‘magro’ is an abbreviated synonym for ‘worshipful’ as in magistrate? Think handwriting is a lovely thing to specialise in.. especially for family history. I have found quite a bit of help online for basic letters and there are a couple of sites which have mini tutorials, such as TNA. Trouble is, I am too easily distracted and then start investigating the whole history of palaeography which is completely fascinating. That would be years of study! I then can’t decide if I should concentrate on english or latin.. and dither around attempting to do both. However, I am currently trying to discipline myself to work on secretary hand, which seems to cover most of the documents I am likely to come into contact with. I just wish someone had told the scribes not to add their own individual flourishes. Jane > On 11 Oct 2018, at 01:29, Susan <zandara@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > Hi Jane, > > > You are quite welcome and I was happy to help. I am a handwriting specialist – able to read scripts from all centuries back to 12thC (with and without Latin). So, if you find you’re stumped, or would like a line deciphered as a key to unlock the handwriting, I’d be more than happy to help, again. > _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=adQvmFr8f3ZN3R-JuPq6VT77LsRXfjnaRpXXd3mthl0&s=EazujuYncHofKvjYofqjhABbFoJHRQAm2wJZBjMNR0s&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=adQvmFr8f3ZN3R-JuPq6VT77LsRXfjnaRpXXd3mthl0&s=MaQHSMqUy4MJNx0SgIXtZ3H7XY2cjwBkTmOtHpOejtE&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=adQvmFr8f3ZN3R-JuPq6VT77LsRXfjnaRpXXd3mthl0&s=R2vqW7pCgvf04kNZtGb5K8wjitJPmMDqkn_YWYxViQ8&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=adQvmFr8f3ZN3R-JuPq6VT77LsRXfjnaRpXXd3mthl0&s=Np1FMuzuTPmtsbeUd-CbJ0yDwFfqDqAM6li_RybaQBQ&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=adQvmFr8f3ZN3R-JuPq6VT77LsRXfjnaRpXXd3mthl0&s=GHw4uvVZ_yB-_p-1kXdbiWvX814T1s1BGudVvwCayAs&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Re Nancy Frey's comment, a now lost will may not only be found *attached* to a document such as a lease but be quoted in its entirety *within* a document. In such a case the testator's name is unlikely to appear in any calendar let alone in an index, so you will be very lucky to come across one except by chance. My example was the will of Peter Battishill, mercer of Exeter made in January 1719 (New Style), which was quoted in a deposition in Chancery Proceeding C11 388/13 at TNA. I provided Devon RO with a copy of my transcript of the will to which they gave an accession reference 4667Z add/Z 2 so that it does now appear in their calendar. In a similar fashion, in another legal dispute I also came across a quotation of an 16th century Devon Parish Register entry - the Register is now lost and of course at that time there were no Bishop's Transcripts! You never know your luck! Guy Lawton On Sat, 13 Oct 2018 at 22:45, Nancy Frey <ncanuck@gmail.com> wrote: > I have found several Wills attached to other documents online at the UK > National Archives. Those Wills are not something that come up when you > search a surname, but if you find a document like a lease or some other > agreement, it could have someone's Will attached. > > Nancy Frey > OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset > >

Hello Susan Yes.. that’s pretty much what I have.. ‘huiusmodi’ has been abbreviated to ‘huixox’ (can’t read the letters I’ve called x but I guessed it was as you said. There is no ‘venerable vino atrium’ .. just ‘magro Willi[umo]’ .. that was what threw me.. so I’m very pleased that you have confirmed that for me as Magistrate and name of Judge. As you say, the abbreviations are the difference and make deciphering words difficult when added to the difficulty of deciding on the individual letters. The rest of the clause is pretty much indecipherable for me but I think it is all standard so I am not going to get too fussy about it at the moment. I think it is one to revisit! Thanks again for your help. Regards Jane > On 13 Oct 2018, at 19:25, Susan <zandara@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > Hi, Jane, > > I am very familiar with what you likely have in front of you. Here is the typical form for the commencement of the probate grant: > > Probatum fuit huiusmodi testamentum apud (place where granted) coram venerabile viro (Name of Judge), artium magistro,... > > Translating to: > > Probate made of this Will at (place) before the Worshipful man (name), Master of Arts,.... > > So the third word that you are looking at is probably something like ‘huius’ is huiusmodi and the ‘magro’ is magistro. > > All great deal of abbreviation of words was used in the written Latin texts. These abbreviations can be the difference between interpreting a word correctly or incorrectly. > > I hope this helps. > > Susan > > > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avast.com_antivirus&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=3cTtj8J7Hl9NpjBX7gQW0SLu6gZ2YJfAOPOuc8T5yrc&s=Z0BaeUAqrmXc-biM3-YtbZASHpqMAZDwSkN_oz5Oy6g&e= > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=ZuJjKnxtE_Bvat784ki768Cd2CIkHijuZf9jvkUNiHY&s=dLxJPOBW20Yz0lZF8K9dv1v0rWK0hOy6sv8k5a8tmX8&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=ZuJjKnxtE_Bvat784ki768Cd2CIkHijuZf9jvkUNiHY&s=06P33ZSpjOtsYd730N_FrBPFNF5Te5YdwROteiK90Xk&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=ZuJjKnxtE_Bvat784ki768Cd2CIkHijuZf9jvkUNiHY&s=ibaNfPTYCv1FERe59s3jGmT6tvzc0UbbVhrvGHzUVUI&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=ZuJjKnxtE_Bvat784ki768Cd2CIkHijuZf9jvkUNiHY&s=y-MOIaWdj5RJ2RYozfPVq6t0Q87u-54YQK841kp7vm0&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=ZuJjKnxtE_Bvat784ki768Cd2CIkHijuZf9jvkUNiHY&s=v7DBqQbzxUhj_hWjEFm5u_VvEMG9MupixPch3cp9j7c&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Jane: I passed your message about Caunter to my colleague Richard Grylls, whose on a first check has found 10 will abstracts in it - a useful addition for us to make to DWP. Cheers Brian On 13 Oct 2018, at 11:40, Jane Lucas via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>> wrote: Hi Brian Thanks. I did check the list of sources before I posted. I’d forgotten about the minor source list though so thanks for the reminder. It is useful to consult even when not looking for Wills. And now you remind me I do remember reading that you raided many many sources. What a fantastic resource you’ve created. I can’t find a reference to the publication I mentioned. It is.. Caunter Family Records by F. Lyde Caunter, Pub 1930 and Printed by The Solicitors’ Law Stationery Soc. Ltd. Fetter Lane, E.C.4. The copy I’ve consulted in the past is in the West Country Studies section of the DA. However, I recently found that it has been digitised and can be read at the internet archive site here.. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__archive.org_details_caunterfamilyrec00caun_page_n9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=UQBftarBzsW8XfZD_3g7O7UPSviX9uaaZoBDtPdqkzs&s=79Pq_kx2f7eRMaZ4L2q_a41_ppSqJdFO8splScCeEM4&e= Unfortunately in the hard copy there is no index. Every page has to be searched for a reference to Wills .. though it isn’t a big book. But the internet archive format is very useful.. it’s searchable as I’m sure you know so I find it easier to use. For anyone else reading this post with Caunter connections, the book has a foldout family tree.. In fact I thought the original had two, but I can’t find my notes at the moment! I’m tidying up. Jane On 13 Oct 2018, at 10:51, Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: Hi Jane: If you look at the Devon Wills Project main page (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=Taas3Y5rUXzQtD-27gQ68jmJCPHpja5WUMRtbN2djgw&e=) you’ll see a listing of the large variety of sources we ransacked for wills - see in particular the subsidiary list “Miscellaneous Minor Sources” - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject_MiscSources&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=uLqO116zMqq_UJMVOEidGiVhsEfhdzHOiENxYvtOxSc&e= Needless to say, we’d be interested to learn of sources that we don’t already list as having been searched. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=6CUyG-r7iL1EvLUce4gvN62aZ5gfj3jcpqxwGvkut-8&s=vywXnRRnfHXKFeUhHuBloLRFnN7x7rxk64bzx9FBwWc&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=6CUyG-r7iL1EvLUce4gvN62aZ5gfj3jcpqxwGvkut-8&s=yRs0iiLL_HrQlol4kdNdHiy8OtO8zJwOjBEE-PJn0bI&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=6CUyG-r7iL1EvLUce4gvN62aZ5gfj3jcpqxwGvkut-8&s=Br_vA91s3Jh6RQUAanSAR6W8d7NFNPpV8YedCRrxDsc&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=6CUyG-r7iL1EvLUce4gvN62aZ5gfj3jcpqxwGvkut-8&s=s5TPma9epwMF4QSdVmGH3WzCSP5b7tVYk7N3zIx6NqI&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=6CUyG-r7iL1EvLUce4gvN62aZ5gfj3jcpqxwGvkut-8&s=6vAJwbJ1m2cHTK67O7cUL5v0ci-0_HhFsc4gAkwQimU&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncl.ac.uk_computing_people_profile_brianrandell.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=6CUyG-r7iL1EvLUce4gvN62aZ5gfj3jcpqxwGvkut-8&s=3xlsK4UuWaODjqPOao-4m0LW-Wt0lEXupvzbzyiSF-g&e=

That’s interesting Nancy.. never come across it myself but possibly a few Devon Wills could have survived like that. Makes finding them rather random! Jane > On 13 Oct 2018, at 22:44, Nancy Frey <ncanuck@gmail.com> wrote: > > I have found several Wills attached to other documents online at the UK > National Archives. Those Wills are not something that come up when you > search a surname, but if you find a document like a lease or some other > agreement, it could have someone's Will attached. > >

I have found several Wills attached to other documents online at the UK National Archives. Those Wills are not something that come up when you search a surname, but if you find a document like a lease or some other agreement, it could have someone's Will attached. Nancy Frey OPC for Ansford & Castle Cary, Somerset On Sat, Oct 13, 2018 at 6:10 AM Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > Hi Jane: > > If you look at the Devon Wills Project main page ( > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=Taas3Y5rUXzQtD-27gQ68jmJCPHpja5WUMRtbN2djgw&e=) > you’ll see a listing of the large variety of sources we ransacked for wills > - see in particular the subsidiary list “Miscellaneous Minor Sources” - > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject_MiscSources&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=uLqO116zMqq_UJMVOEidGiVhsEfhdzHOiENxYvtOxSc&e= > > Needless to say, we’d be interested to learn of sources that we don’t > already list as having been searched. > > Cheers > > Brian >

Hi Gordon, I received your email but have been unable to mail you my reply. Is it possible for you to post your questions on this list? Or, can you write to me again but with a different email address? Thank you. Susan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avast.com_antivirus&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=mTPzTv53LSYJkgoa8osLf5YVLE5fntjwFjRn-rQ77ZI&s=mw28rL06dvvzYX_Rhk5TwXDbsLYIdmxdhXBkE7YZyIQ&e=

Hi, Jane, I am very familiar with what you likely have in front of you. Here is the typical form for the commencement of the probate grant: Probatum fuit huiusmodi testamentum apud (place where granted) coram venerabile viro (Name of Judge), artium magistro,... Translating to: Probate made of this Will at (place) before the Worshipful man (name), Master of Arts,.... So the third word that you are looking at is probably something like ‘huius’ is huiusmodi and the ‘magro’ is magistro. All great deal of abbreviation of words was used in the written Latin texts. These abbreviations can be the difference between interpreting a word correctly or incorrectly. I hope this helps. Susan --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avast.com_antivirus&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=3cTtj8J7Hl9NpjBX7gQW0SLu6gZ2YJfAOPOuc8T5yrc&s=Z0BaeUAqrmXc-biM3-YtbZASHpqMAZDwSkN_oz5Oy6g&e=

Haha.. nice idea but I don’t think so On 13 Oct 2018, at 14:26, Sher Leetooze <sher.leetooze@gmail.com> wrote: > > wonder if the Caunter family documents might have been the inspiration for the writing of and filming of the movie, */Canterville Ghost/* ...?

Hello Jane and list: I wonder if the Caunter family documents might have been the inspiration for the writing of and filming of the movie, */Canterville Ghost/*  ...??  That was a good picture - just loved it!  Wish I had a ghost in my lineage, but so far haven't run across one.  Perhaps one needs a castle for the ghost to haunt - I'm out of luck there, too! Sher On 10/13/2018 5:40 AM, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: > Hi Brian > > Thanks. I did check the list of sources before I posted. I’d forgotten about the minor source list though so thanks for the reminder. It is useful to consult even when not looking for Wills. And now you remind me I do remember reading that you raided many many sources. What a fantastic resource you’ve created. > > I can’t find a reference to the publication I mentioned. It is.. > > Caunter Family Records by F. Lyde Caunter, Pub 1930 and Printed by The Solicitors’ Law Stationery Soc. Ltd. Fetter Lane, E.C.4. > > The copy I’ve consulted in the past is in the West Country Studies section of the DA. However, I recently found that it has been digitised and can be read at the internet archive site here.. > > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__archive.org_details_caunterfamilyrec00caun_page_n9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=UQBftarBzsW8XfZD_3g7O7UPSviX9uaaZoBDtPdqkzs&s=79Pq_kx2f7eRMaZ4L2q_a41_ppSqJdFO8splScCeEM4&e= > > Unfortunately in the hard copy there is no index. Every page has to be searched for a reference to Wills .. though it isn’t a big book. But the internet archive format is very useful.. it’s searchable as I’m sure you know so I find it easier to use. > > For anyone else reading this post with Caunter connections, the book has a foldout family tree.. In fact I thought the original had two, but I can’t find my notes at the moment! I’m tidying up. > > Jane > > >> On 13 Oct 2018, at 10:51, Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: >> >> Hi Jane: >> >> If you look at the Devon Wills Project main page (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=Taas3Y5rUXzQtD-27gQ68jmJCPHpja5WUMRtbN2djgw&e=) you’ll see a listing of the large variety of sources we ransacked for wills - see in particular the subsidiary list “Miscellaneous Minor Sources” - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject_MiscSources&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=uLqO116zMqq_UJMVOEidGiVhsEfhdzHOiENxYvtOxSc&e= >> >> Needless to say, we’d be interested to learn of sources that we don’t already list as having been searched. >> > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=rqkqj3XUbRFlf6ml7Ud-F-iLlDQ7vMc5fu7rmICGlVI&s=FEr6Iy1gGTtMF4M6G0OaUUWh35fkVqC5840wfHVhSpc&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=rqkqj3XUbRFlf6ml7Ud-F-iLlDQ7vMc5fu7rmICGlVI&s=Mb-kKRB1bZDfwZN_yDHMENHixWCq-yjunU5uU4iUnjI&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=rqkqj3XUbRFlf6ml7Ud-F-iLlDQ7vMc5fu7rmICGlVI&s=UiU9KOuF274Q2ATvvJiiUwMhWN3_IfwqGPt3evQPL14&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=rqkqj3XUbRFlf6ml7Ud-F-iLlDQ7vMc5fu7rmICGlVI&s=wzh2u9xWVzUBHEUli0hPdmJ-jzI_APpAwNKlakU-N1w&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=rqkqj3XUbRFlf6ml7Ud-F-iLlDQ7vMc5fu7rmICGlVI&s=g85aZO0A2bwPbsxd5SEifNBBbgEJ7UkQvqJewNmiB8Q&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.avg.com&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=rqkqj3XUbRFlf6ml7Ud-F-iLlDQ7vMc5fu7rmICGlVI&s=i7hSIgMTQdwvrIppq-M3WMbtVgqRZlxNiQveTDQnZGU&e=

Hi Brian Thanks. I did check the list of sources before I posted. I’d forgotten about the minor source list though so thanks for the reminder. It is useful to consult even when not looking for Wills. And now you remind me I do remember reading that you raided many many sources. What a fantastic resource you’ve created. I can’t find a reference to the publication I mentioned. It is.. Caunter Family Records by F. Lyde Caunter, Pub 1930 and Printed by The Solicitors’ Law Stationery Soc. Ltd. Fetter Lane, E.C.4. The copy I’ve consulted in the past is in the West Country Studies section of the DA. However, I recently found that it has been digitised and can be read at the internet archive site here.. https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__archive.org_details_caunterfamilyrec00caun_page_n9&d=DwIFaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=UQBftarBzsW8XfZD_3g7O7UPSviX9uaaZoBDtPdqkzs&s=79Pq_kx2f7eRMaZ4L2q_a41_ppSqJdFO8splScCeEM4&e= Unfortunately in the hard copy there is no index. Every page has to be searched for a reference to Wills .. though it isn’t a big book. But the internet archive format is very useful.. it’s searchable as I’m sure you know so I find it easier to use. For anyone else reading this post with Caunter connections, the book has a foldout family tree.. In fact I thought the original had two, but I can’t find my notes at the moment! I’m tidying up. Jane > On 13 Oct 2018, at 10:51, Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi Jane: > > If you look at the Devon Wills Project main page (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=Taas3Y5rUXzQtD-27gQ68jmJCPHpja5WUMRtbN2djgw&e=) you’ll see a listing of the large variety of sources we ransacked for wills - see in particular the subsidiary list “Miscellaneous Minor Sources” - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject_MiscSources&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=uLqO116zMqq_UJMVOEidGiVhsEfhdzHOiENxYvtOxSc&e= > > Needless to say, we’d be interested to learn of sources that we don’t already list as having been searched. >

Hi Jane: If you look at the Devon Wills Project main page (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=Taas3Y5rUXzQtD-27gQ68jmJCPHpja5WUMRtbN2djgw&e=) you’ll see a listing of the large variety of sources we ransacked for wills - see in particular the subsidiary list “Miscellaneous Minor Sources” - https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_DevonWillsProject_MiscSources&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=uLqO116zMqq_UJMVOEidGiVhsEfhdzHOiENxYvtOxSc&e= Needless to say, we’d be interested to learn of sources that we don’t already list as having been searched. Cheers Brian On 13 Oct 2018, at 09:55, Jane Lucas via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>> wrote: The previous thread re Devon Wills ... has got me thinking. There is a family history (surname Caunter) publication from 1930 held at DA in which extracts of Caunter Wills are transcribed, one as early as 1548. I believe, from remarks made by the author, that he has seen the originals, some held at the Exeter Registry. Presumably those went up in flames. I’ve used that book (with caution) to construct part of my Caunter tree and it has been extremely useful. There must be similar sources to be found for other families. But I wondered if there was ever any idea to reference such material in the DWP? Perhaps not if the original testamentary document source is not adequately cited? The reason I ask is because not all Wills referred to in the Caunter book are to be found in the Index, though I have so far only checked for a few. Jane _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=n8B1jDjQY4FrpmC7HtN58mhnj8yiPWm4Q8xS8lDJ_sk&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=mSGQO4icgSa7-sd4A6xjs1cE6npYAVLhUcN-x9o6THo&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=faI-fZmOktHQ2UhQamEsgb9Nv0zku7RRTjBxXxe0S5U&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=_fvoXT5qLVmxwo72QHYTH7g83F03C8nUUHA60xzvqTI&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=h0a1SfE7h2nKnixwtZLOfPtOhJhTATYlQH7EYV85_EY&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com<http://ancestry.com> and our loyal RootsWeb community — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncl.ac.uk_computing_people_profile_brianrandell.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=v64jhLH3Mc0VPHzhnsOq2SzLA9K7TvJLxHId7BfsKuI&s=ry6ISOEhhJzvMlpxyFmAUIqBO231M-3Kdsr7kh-3YNU&e=

The previous thread re Devon Wills ... has got me thinking. There is a family history (surname Caunter) publication from 1930 held at DA in which extracts of Caunter Wills are transcribed, one as early as 1548. I believe, from remarks made by the author, that he has seen the originals, some held at the Exeter Registry. Presumably those went up in flames. I’ve used that book (with caution) to construct part of my Caunter tree and it has been extremely useful. There must be similar sources to be found for other families. But I wondered if there was ever any idea to reference such material in the DWP? Perhaps not if the original testamentary document source is not adequately cited? The reason I ask is because not all Wills referred to in the Caunter book are to be found in the Index, though I have so far only checked for a few. Jane

Better change that subject line or they will be passed over. Thank you, Edna - Ottawa

Yes I know. It does make research very difficult. Jane > On 12 Oct 2018, at 17:28, Brian Randell <brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk> wrote: > > Hi Jane: > > Unfortunately the bigger problem is the extent to which all sorts of probate documents - wills, admons and inventories - failed to survive the 2nd world war. > > Cheers > > Brian >

Oh Lord.. so sorry.. I remembered to trim the message! > On 12 Oct 2018, at 17:47, tjleaman@gmail.com wrote: > > .................and still people are not changing the subject from digest to something meaningful- come on folks, it's not rocket science. I've left it deliberately as it appeared. > > Terry > > List Admin Team > > > On 12-Oct-18 17:29 PM, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: >> Hi Sue >> >> Thank you so much, that is a very kind offer. I’m just plodding on but might just take you up on it if I’m completely stumped. But you might help with the following quick question >> >> I have a Will with Probate clause and have mostly worked it out because there are standard phrases. However, there is one word which is niggling me in particular. It comes after the ‘Probatum fuit’… etc. So after ‘apud London coram’ is the word ‘magro’ which is followed by a name ‘William..o’. >> I’m fairly sure I’m right about the letters and am wondering if ‘magro’ is an abbreviated synonym for ‘worshipful’ as in magistrate? >> >> Think handwriting is a lovely thing to specialise in.. especially for family history. I have found quite a bit of help online for basic letters and there are a couple of sites which have mini tutorials, such as TNA. Trouble is, I am too easily distracted and then start investigating the whole history of palaeography which is completely fascinating. That would be years of study! I then can’t decide if I should concentrate on english or latin.. and dither around attempting to do both. >> >> However, I am currently trying to discipline myself to work on secretary hand, which seems to cover most of the documents I am likely to come into contact with. >> >> I just wish someone had told the scribes not to add their own individual flourishes. >> >> Jane >> >> >>> On 11 Oct 2018, at 01:29, Susan <zandara@cogeco.ca> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Jane, >>> >>> >>> You are quite welcome and I was happy to help. I am a handwriting specialist – able to read scripts from all centuries back to 12thC (with and without Latin). 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.................and still people are not changing the subject from digest to something meaningful- come on folks, it's not rocket science. I've left it deliberately as it appeared. Terry List Admin Team On 12-Oct-18 17:29 PM, Jane Lucas via DEVON wrote: > Hi Sue > > Thank you so much, that is a very kind offer. I’m just plodding on but might just take you up on it if I’m completely stumped. But you might help with the following quick question > > I have a Will with Probate clause and have mostly worked it out because there are standard phrases. However, there is one word which is niggling me in particular. It comes after the ‘Probatum fuit’… etc. So after ‘apud London coram’ is the word ‘magro’ which is followed by a name ‘William..o’. > I’m fairly sure I’m right about the letters and am wondering if ‘magro’ is an abbreviated synonym for ‘worshipful’ as in magistrate? > > Think handwriting is a lovely thing to specialise in.. especially for family history. I have found quite a bit of help online for basic letters and there are a couple of sites which have mini tutorials, such as TNA. Trouble is, I am too easily distracted and then start investigating the whole history of palaeography which is completely fascinating. That would be years of study! I then can’t decide if I should concentrate on english or latin.. and dither around attempting to do both. > > However, I am currently trying to discipline myself to work on secretary hand, which seems to cover most of the documents I am likely to come into contact with. > > I just wish someone had told the scribes not to add their own individual flourishes. > > Jane > > >> On 11 Oct 2018, at 01:29, Susan <zandara@cogeco.ca> wrote: >> >> Hi Jane, >> >> >> You are quite welcome and I was happy to help. I am a handwriting specialist – able to read scripts from all centuries back to 12thC (with and without Latin). So, if you find you’re stumped, or would like a line deciphered as a key to unlock the handwriting, I’d be more than happy to help, again. >> > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=WoeUJo6q4TRnwpdLuE9oOZZydiofsIGGUvJ-jE2XTsQ&s=qs-J25UXEc91-lXfqp5dNcMylCJdidMHu4cBSpqAqcg&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=WoeUJo6q4TRnwpdLuE9oOZZydiofsIGGUvJ-jE2XTsQ&s=ytzga56q-WEQ9sEUfxHlAfvuqVq5yv0fggGRZu9WSvU&e= ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=WoeUJo6q4TRnwpdLuE9oOZZydiofsIGGUvJ-jE2XTsQ&s=9Y-ZafRF6epy35Q2ARC8da6lP_FHq2Hr4wkGVd-LaSY&e= > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=WoeUJo6q4TRnwpdLuE9oOZZydiofsIGGUvJ-jE2XTsQ&s=1N_tTLkOXWqIqx63K7l-ILGbUzmKEwN6looe80BVbFI&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=WoeUJo6q4TRnwpdLuE9oOZZydiofsIGGUvJ-jE2XTsQ&s=-IZCU5TsG0as2vhY__O6D7LpNOt4mpDeyOfZO7gB1fM&e= > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community -- Chairman - Devon Family History Society Registered Charity No. 282490 Web site: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk&d=DwIDaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=WoeUJo6q4TRnwpdLuE9oOZZydiofsIGGUvJ-jE2XTsQ&s=pG5CtAXPyzzDWp8nTxj2Mk44jTb7VB568J8KzfbRAwI&e= Email address: chairman@devonfhs.org.uk Join for just £10 a year “Devon Family History Society’s strength lies in its local and specialist knowledge”

Hi Sue Thank you so much, that is a very kind offer. I’m just plodding on but might just take you up on it if I’m completely stumped. But you might help with the following quick question I have a Will with Probate clause and have mostly worked it out because there are standard phrases. However, there is one word which is niggling me in particular. It comes after the ‘Probatum fuit’… etc. So after ‘apud London coram’ is the word ‘magro’ which is followed by a name ‘William..o’. I’m fairly sure I’m right about the letters and am wondering if ‘magro’ is an abbreviated synonym for ‘worshipful’ as in magistrate? Think handwriting is a lovely thing to specialise in.. especially for family history. I have found quite a bit of help online for basic letters and there are a couple of sites which have mini tutorials, such as TNA. Trouble is, I am too easily distracted and then start investigating the whole history of palaeography which is completely fascinating. That would be years of study! I then can’t decide if I should concentrate on english or latin.. and dither around attempting to do both. However, I am currently trying to discipline myself to work on secretary hand, which seems to cover most of the documents I am likely to come into contact with. I just wish someone had told the scribes not to add their own individual flourishes. Jane > On 11 Oct 2018, at 01:29, Susan <zandara@cogeco.ca> wrote: > > Hi Jane, > > > You are quite welcome and I was happy to help. I am a handwriting specialist – able to read scripts from all centuries back to 12thC (with and without Latin). So, if you find you’re stumped, or would like a line deciphered as a key to unlock the handwriting, I’d be more than happy to help, again. >

Hi Jane: Unfortunately the bigger problem is the extent to which all sorts of probate documents - wills, admons and inventories - failed to survive the 2nd world war. Cheers Brian On 12 Oct 2018, at 16:57, Jane Lucas via DEVON <devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com>> wrote: Hi Brian… well, that just that one shouldn’t judge from a tiny sample! I have no inventories.. but I have only a few Wills from Devon. I don’t know what proportion overall of Devon Wills have inventories that survived, but clearly more than I thought. Original Message----- From: Brian Randell [mailto:brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk <mailto:brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:57 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com<mailto:devon@rootsweb.com> <mailto:devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: Brian Randell; Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills Hi Jane: Out of curiosity I had a quick look at the first Devon Wills Project web page (for testators whose names begin with the letter “A”)……. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.genuki.org.uk_big_eng_DEV_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=5OPDD26sIcyuyH4wSLrFcP4DFesUaliAb2zW8dk1N4Q&s=_gx8ee0p9C6668GzCPTX60DHeu9PHKdnZsbRyhD0LsE&e= and Devon FHS (https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.devonfhs.org.uk_&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=5OPDD26sIcyuyH4wSLrFcP4DFesUaliAb2zW8dk1N4Q&s=6B-VVnS1ACU10slTEcZvk99NNSkaJRGYzYkuby_NyEo&e= ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__bit.ly_rootswebpref&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=5OPDD26sIcyuyH4wSLrFcP4DFesUaliAb2zW8dk1N4Q&s=sWQ0SQnNl-cap6CkTLbnb5eG6AZeQs4gCaxgQntVz70&e= Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2JWBOdY&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=5OPDD26sIcyuyH4wSLrFcP4DFesUaliAb2zW8dk1N4Q&s=_FQQDiMv-I_ii5ano6rVDePCdRP4uW9imJoQRE9Zf8Q&e= Terms and Conditions: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ancstry.me_2HDBym9&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=5OPDD26sIcyuyH4wSLrFcP4DFesUaliAb2zW8dk1N4Q&s=CXMXnoOVTpFeelb8IboC5dD5P1f32QmqkSToFA-uQgQ&e= Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com<http://Ancestry.com> and our loyal RootsWeb community — School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU EMAIL = Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk<mailto:Brian.Randell@ncl.ac.uk> PHONE = +44 191 208 7923 URL = https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ncl.ac.uk_computing_people_profile_brianrandell.html&d=DwIGaQ&c=kKqjBR9KKWaWpMhASkPbOg&r=_kHYb0dMtukKdTNCoURit9Z6fYN0hak3I3SjPWTU2FA&m=5OPDD26sIcyuyH4wSLrFcP4DFesUaliAb2zW8dk1N4Q&s=i2fikcKvxKvjbaDt1dbW_O2JHjGtRBmWNP-VShIfqWQ&e=

Hi Brian… well, that just that one shouldn’t judge from a tiny sample! I have no inventories.. but I have only a few Wills from Devon. I don’t know what proportion overall of Devon Wills have inventories that survived, but clearly more than I thought. Original Message----- From: Brian Randell [mailto:brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk <mailto:brian.randell@newcastle.ac.uk>] Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2018 10:57 AM To: devon@rootsweb.com <mailto:devon@rootsweb.com> Cc: Brian Randell; Jane Lucas Subject: [DEV] Re: Inventory with Devon Wills Hi Jane: Out of curiosity I had a quick look at the first Devon Wills Project web page (for testators whose names begin with the letter “A”)…….