On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 at 01:42, Sher Leetooze <sher.leetooze@gmail.com> wrote: > How on earth can I get a copy of that Devon Regiment book?? It could > hold a lot of information I've been searching for!! > > On 10/19/2018 5:52 AM, Ros Haywood wrote: > > I have a book published 1921 called "Soldiers Died in the Great War" - > > it is one of a series and the author is the War Office "By Authority" "UK, Soldiers Died in the Great War, 1914-1919" is a collection on Ancestry, containing the 81(?) volumes of the original publication from HMSO - presumably taken from the Naval and Military Press Ltd who "reprinted" those volumes on CDs. It is, so far as I checked, a text only collection. It's also on FindMyPast as a text-only collection. In both cases, the collections appear to be basic text items only and do not include any narrative. I'm sure - and would welcome contradictions - that I have seen and used the SDGW CDs at my local library and some of the entries had small narrative entries, like you sometime get in the CWGC database. I might be wrong. Theoretically there should be a match in terms of who was covered between the CWGC site and the SDGW books / CDs / collections. But a match in narrative - *if* narrative appears in SDGW - may be unlikely. Adrian

Thanks Joy for the Pages of the Sea , I hadn`t heard about that ……...we are ringing our church bells at 11 on the 11th and that will wake up the town if they hadn`t known before that this is a most solemn moment .I did wonder about the railway stations ……..ours is a listed building and for sure pretty much exactly as it was and where the boys would have left from to join their regiments to go to war ….each and everyone of them would have used the station ..     too late now to have possibly good ideas !!!!!!

I don't know if people are aware of film maker Danny Boyle's "Pages of the Sea" event when on 11 November communities will gather on beaches across the UK to say goodbye and thank you to the millions of men and women who left their shores during the war, many never to return. Saunton Sands is the Devon beach. If you don't live near one of the designated beaches you can take part online by choosing someone to say goodbye to - either by selecting someone listed on the website or adding someone of your own. The information about what it involves, participating beaches and how to take part online is here: https://www.pagesofthesea.org.uk/about/ Joy ----Original message---- From : liverpud-49@rogers.com Date : 18/10/2018 - 15:34 (GMTST) To : Devon@rootsweb.com Subject : [DEV] End of WW One Let us remember all those who served: 11th hour of the 11th day of November 1918 Edna - sunny Ottawa _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Sher Well, I got my copy from ebay; I don't have another source, sorry. Ros ------ Original Message ------ From: "Sher Leetooze" <sher.leetooze@gmail.com> To: "Ros Haywood" <ros.haywood@gmail.com>; devon@rootsweb.com Cc: "Bob Halberstadt" <President@goulbournhistoricalsociety.org> Sent: 20/10/2018 01:42:22 Subject: Re: [DEV] War memorials >Ros: > >How on earth can I get a copy of that Devon Regiment book?? It could >hold a lot of information I've been searching for!! > >Sher > > >On 10/19/2018 5:52 AM, Ros Haywood wrote: >>I have a book published 1921 called "Soldiers Died in the Great War" - >>it is one of a series and the author is the War Office "By Authority" >>- no name! My book covers the Devonshire Regiment - there were 50 of >>these books, one for each regiment. If you send me the name of your >>mystery stoker, I can look him up and at least it will say how he >>died. I don't think I am breaching copyright... >> >>Ros Haywood >> >>------ Original Message ------ >>From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jon.frayne@gmail.com> >>To: "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com>; >>"sherleetooze@gmail.com" <sherleetooze@gmail.com> >>Cc: "Bob Halberstadt" <President@goulbournhistoricalsociety.org> >>Sent: 19/10/2018 08:38:12 >>Subject: [DEV] War memorials >> >>>Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war >>>memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war >>>ended and that local committees compiled the list of names to be >>>included. This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone >>>know if there are any records retained anywhere about their >>>deliberations? The reason I ask is there is a master stoker on our >>>war memorial we cannot trace to a connection to the village and some >>>of us would love to know why we memorialise him. >>> >>>Jon >>> >>>Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >>> >>>From: Edna Marlow >>>Sent: 19 October 2018 03:28 >>>To: sherleetooze@gmail.com; devon@rootsweb.com >>>Cc: Bob Halberstadt >>>Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >>> >>>Hi Sher, good idea will pass it on to the >>>Goulbourn Township Historical Society here in Ottawa. >>> >>>Edna M - sunny Ottawa >>> >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Sher Leetooze >>>Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:23 PM >>>To: devon@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >>> >>>Edna and list: >>> >>>The local historical Society where Iive is putting on a month long >>>display about the local lads who served in both wars with artifacts >>>brought home by some of them, photos of each one and a short bio for >>>each - nurses included. If anyone out there belongs to an Historical >>>Society, or Genealogical Society - why not stage your own display >>>either >>>for Nov. 11 or for your group's next meeting. Well worth the digging >>>for info and photos >>> >>>Sher >>> >>> >>>On 10/18/2018 9:34 AM, Edna Marlow wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>Let us remember all those who served: >>>> >>>>11th hour of the 11th day of November 1918 >>>> >>>>Edna - sunny Ottawa >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>------------------------------------------ >>>>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>>>(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>>Unsubscribe >>>>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>>>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>>>RootsWeb community >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>------------------------------------------ >>>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>>(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>Unsubscribe >>>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>>RootsWeb community >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>------------------------------------------ >>>The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>>http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS >>>(http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>>_______________________________________________ >>>Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>>Unsubscribe >>>https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>>Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >>>https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>>Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>>RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>>RootsWeb community >> > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. >https://www.avg.com >

Names for memorials would have put forward by family members or others who wished the fallen to be remembered. Without records from the organisning committee, it is not possible to know the criteria that were used. A church local to me had two men who died during training in the UK, and who never went abroad - one is listed on the memorial and the other isn't. Andrew RadgickAuthor, of "Bracknell's Great War Fallen" On Saturday, 20 October 2018, 01:42:50 BST, Sher Leetooze <sher.leetooze@gmail.com> wrote: Ros: How on earth can I get a copy of that Devon Regiment book??  It could hold a lot of information I've been searching for!! Sher On 10/19/2018 5:52 AM, Ros Haywood wrote: > I have a book published 1921 called "Soldiers Died in the Great War" - > it is one of a series and the author is the War Office "By Authority" > - no name!  My book covers the Devonshire Regiment - there were 50 of > these books, one for each regiment.  If you send me the name of your > mystery stoker, I can look him up and at least it will say how he > died. I don't think I am breaching copyright... > > Ros Haywood > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jon.frayne@gmail.com> > To: "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com>; > "sherleetooze@gmail.com" <sherleetooze@gmail.com> > Cc: "Bob Halberstadt" <President@goulbournhistoricalsociety.org> > Sent: 19/10/2018 08:38:12 > Subject: [DEV] War memorials > >> Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war >> memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war >> ended and that local committees compiled the list of names to be >> included. This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone >> know if there are any records retained anywhere about their >> deliberations? The reason I ask is there is a master stoker on our >> war memorial we cannot trace to a connection to the village and some >> of us would love to know why we memorialise him. >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Edna Marlow >> Sent: 19 October 2018 03:28 >> To: sherleetooze@gmail.com; devon@rootsweb.com >> Cc: Bob Halberstadt >> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >> >> Hi Sher, good idea will pass it on to the >> Goulbourn Township Historical Society here in Ottawa. >> >> Edna M  - sunny Ottawa >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sher Leetooze >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:23 PM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >> >> Edna and list: >> >> The local historical Society where Iive is putting on a month long >> display about the local lads who served in both wars with artifacts >> brought home by some of them, photos of each one and a short bio for >> each - nurses included.  If anyone out there belongs to an Historical >> Society, or Genealogical Society - why not stage your own display either >> for Nov. 11 or for your group's next meeting.  Well worth the digging >> for info and photos >> >> Sher >> >> >> On 10/18/2018 9:34 AM, Edna Marlow wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us remember all those who served: >>> >>> 11th hour of the 11th day of November 1918 >>> >>> Edna - sunny Ottawa >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS >>> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Here you are http://www.hertsatwar.co.uk/great_amwell also his brother Adrian On 19/10/2018 22:21, B. Edmonds wrote: > If anyone is researching the whole of England re deaths from World War > I in particular they can ask me for a look up in my Aldenham School > Registers. > > Although this entry does not relate to Devon, it was the 1st name that > I came across and to give you an idea. > > Aldenham School Registers. > > > LUTYENS, Lionel Gallway, Sept. 1902-1903 (Son of Charles LUTYENS, of > Great Amwell, Herts) Migrated to Bedford Grammar School: 2nd Lieut. > R.F.A. 1915.; Acting Major, M.C. Died of Wounds (France)Jan. 6th, 1918 > > The dates match with CWGC which has more info. > > There must be a Memorial to him somewhere, would be interesting to > know where. > > Bev > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community

Wow!  Liz, what a find - sounds like it will be a super interesting meeting!  Wish I could be there. Sher in Ontario where winter is valiantly trying to get a toehold! On 10/19/2018 8:45 AM, Liz Davidson wrote: > In our small village in North Suffolk the war memorial (inside the church) > commemorates 6 men who died in WW1. Oned is also named on the memorial 2 > villages away and 2 who were born in this village are on the memorial in > the next village. A few years ago we found a very tarnished duplicate > memorial plaque in the back of a cupboard in the church. We discovered > that it was the plaque that had been in the chapel, which was closed and > converted to a house many years ago, so we had the brass refurbished and > the plaque installed and rededicated in the village hall. We now hold our > Remembrance service in the hall not the church (it's more central as well > as warmer). During a tidying session in the church about 10 years ago we > found in an old chest a hand-written list of names which turned out to be > the list to be submitted to the organisers of the Suffolk Roll of Honour - > the name of every man from the village who served, with those who were > injured underlined and those who were killed double-underlined. That list, > along with various stories and artefacts, will feature in the November > meeting of our History Group. > > Liz Davidson > > On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:06 AM Elizabeth Howard <elizghoward@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> In the case of our town in Norfolk , the 1920/22 deliberations of the >> Town Council were deposited in the Norfolk Record Office so we have >> no easy access to the decisions , assuming they were recorded . >> Locally its the women`s names which vex people . The CWGC doesn`t >> include either , so both have been a good research project . And the >> WW1 one is now properly on our street war memorial and church >> memorial , (she was WAAF but died a few days after the Armistice of >> influenza aged 23 ) but the other eludes us still . She is on the >> WW2 memorial but we still don`t know why , she died aged 24 of TB in >> Kelling Sanatorium in 1945. >> So Jon try the Record office for any deposits of local government >> deliberations from 1919 onward . And can you find your stoker in >> the 1911 census ? we have a chap who was born Rugby , widow living >> Chelmsford and I ignored him for many a long month until someone said >> he was living in Downham , my own road even , as a lodger in 1911 . So >> the landlady might well have been instrumental in insisting he was >> included . >> And our Brownies , Ist Downham group, have painted big stones white >> and added a scarlet poppy and the name of one of our 73 boys who died >> …..and scattered them around the town , its simple and effective and a >> taking point here . >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( >> http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb >> community >> > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Ros: How on earth can I get a copy of that Devon Regiment book??  It could hold a lot of information I've been searching for!! Sher On 10/19/2018 5:52 AM, Ros Haywood wrote: > I have a book published 1921 called "Soldiers Died in the Great War" - > it is one of a series and the author is the War Office "By Authority" > - no name!  My book covers the Devonshire Regiment - there were 50 of > these books, one for each regiment.  If you send me the name of your > mystery stoker, I can look him up and at least it will say how he > died. I don't think I am breaching copyright... > > Ros Haywood > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: "Jonathan Frayne" <jon.frayne@gmail.com> > To: "devon@rootsweb.com" <devon@rootsweb.com>; > "sherleetooze@gmail.com" <sherleetooze@gmail.com> > Cc: "Bob Halberstadt" <President@goulbournhistoricalsociety.org> > Sent: 19/10/2018 08:38:12 > Subject: [DEV] War memorials > >> Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war >> memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war >> ended and that local committees compiled the list of names to be >> included. This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone >> know if there are any records retained anywhere about their >> deliberations? The reason I ask is there is a master stoker on our >> war memorial we cannot trace to a connection to the village and some >> of us would love to know why we memorialise him. >> >> Jon >> >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> >> From: Edna Marlow >> Sent: 19 October 2018 03:28 >> To: sherleetooze@gmail.com; devon@rootsweb.com >> Cc: Bob Halberstadt >> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >> >> Hi Sher, good idea will pass it on to the >> Goulbourn Township Historical Society here in Ottawa. >> >> Edna M  - sunny Ottawa >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sher Leetooze >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:23 PM >> To: devon@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One >> >> Edna and list: >> >> The local historical Society where Iive is putting on a month long >> display about the local lads who served in both wars with artifacts >> brought home by some of them, photos of each one and a short bio for >> each - nurses included.  If anyone out there belongs to an Historical >> Society, or Genealogical Society - why not stage your own display either >> for Nov. 11 or for your group's next meeting.  Well worth the digging >> for info and photos >> >> Sher >> >> >> On 10/18/2018 9:34 AM, Edna Marlow wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us remember all those who served: >>> >>> 11th hour of the 11th day of November 1918 >>> >>> Edna - sunny Ottawa >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ------------------------------------------ >>> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >>> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS >>> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >>> Unsubscribe >>> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >>> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: >>> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >>> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >>> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >>> RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ------------------------------------------ >> The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon >> http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS >> (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) >> _______________________________________________ >> Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref >> Unsubscribe >> https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com >> Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: >> https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 >> Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog >> RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal >> RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Jon: Here in Canada, likely following in the shoes of our British relatives,  a request was put out in the local newspapers for the names of anyone who was lost during the war, for the purpose of a war memorial.  Of course, people from all over answered this request.  Locals wrote to their friends and relatives in other communities telling them about the request, and they too sent in their loved ones names.  Here in my town most of the names on our cenotaph are not locals.  But it has occurred to me that if these people had not be memorialized on our cenotaph, then they may not have been memorialized at all.  Try the Commonwealth War Graves Commission for further information about your master stoker - you may be able to find out where his relatives are and you can let them know he is remembered in your town. Another reason some are on our cenotaph is that they were travelling through our town, perhaps looking for work, and signed up here.  Their file said they signed up at this place, and so their name was added to our cenotaph.  Most of the "lost ones" were English, so I think this may be the reason they are here. Sher On 10/19/2018 2:38 AM, Jonathan Frayne wrote: > > Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war > memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war ended > and that local committees compiled the list of names to be included. > This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone know if > there are any records retained anywhere about their deliberations? The > reason I ask is there is a master stoker on our war memorial we cannot > trace to a connection to the village and some of us would love to know > why we memorialise him. > > Jon > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > *From: *Edna Marlow <mailto:liverpud-49@rogers.com> > *Sent: *19 October 2018 03:28 > *To: *sherleetooze@gmail.com <mailto:sherleetooze@gmail.com>; > devon@rootsweb.com <mailto:devon@rootsweb.com> > *Cc: *Bob Halberstadt <mailto:President@goulbournhistoricalsociety.org> > *Subject: *[DEV] Re: End of WW One > > Hi Sher, good idea will pass it on to the > > Goulbourn Township Historical Society here in Ottawa. > > Edna M  - sunny Ottawa > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Sher Leetooze > > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2018 9:23 PM > > To: devon@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [DEV] Re: End of WW One > > Edna and list: > > The local historical Society where Iive is putting on a month long > > display about the local lads who served in both wars with artifacts > > brought home by some of them, photos of each one and a short bio for > > each - nurses included.  If anyone out there belongs to an Historical > > Society, or Genealogical Society - why not stage your own display either > > for Nov. 11 or for your group's next meeting.  Well worth the digging > > for info and photos > > Sher > > On 10/18/2018 9:34 AM, Edna Marlow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us remember all those who served: > > > > > > 11th hour of the 11th day of November 1918 > > > > > > Edna - sunny Ottawa > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------------------ > > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS > > > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > > Unsubscribe > https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > > > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > > > RootsWeb community > > _______________________________________________ > > ------------------------------------------ > > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and  Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > > _______________________________________________ > > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

Adrian, Many people are not always aware where they can obtain the Census for free. Some people might not be on the Internet and want to have their own disks. Edna - Ottawa -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce Sent: Friday, October 19, 2018 7:07 PM To: Devon Rootsweb Subject: [DEV] Re: 1881 British Census & National Index Disks - a Question? But surely the 1881 census for England and Wales is free on Family Search? Adrian

Hi Edna, When I updated to Windows 7 some years ago I contacted FamilySearch support about the possibly of using the Family Resource Viewer with the 1881 census and other disks, and received this response. "Thank you for contacting FamilySearch about upgrading your PC to Windows 7. When you upgrade to Win 7 you will need to upgrade your Resource File Viewer (RFV)if it is model 3 or less. If you need to do this please send us your mailing address, which includes: Your Full Name, Street Address, City, Province, Postal Code, Country, and Phone Number. This service is free. In the mean time, you will have to remove any previous RFV installations before you transfer anything from the old system to the new. Our RFV only has one processor speed and that is 32 bits. To answer the question as to whether the RFV will work with a 64 bit processor, the answer is no. But, there is a workaround. You need to run Win 7 at a 32 bit speed. Make sure, before you buy that new system, that it can be made to run at 32 bits. Microsoft has a program called "Virtual PC" which can do it. Then when you want to view your discs you have the tools to do it. You can also view the 1881 British Census without worrying about browser speeds by accessing it in our FamilySearch Internet (FSI) at www.familysearch. org. You can also find several British Census and other record files at FSI. Let us hear from you if you need an RFV, and we will order it as soon as we recieve the mailing Information. Hope to hear from you real soon. Sincerely, FamilySearch support@familysearch.org" From that response you probably couldn't use it on most newer PCs which include 64 bit versions of Windows. I use software called VMware Workstation so that I can run a 32 bit version of Windows within my current 64 bit version of Windows, so that I can run many older index disks etc. which will only run under 32 bit versions of Windows. I never got around to trying to install the RFV and 1881 Census disks etc. in the "virtual PC". Regards Ray On 20/10/2018 8:28 AM, Edna Marlow wrote: > As a volunteer, I work for the local library book shop. > We have received quite a few of these disks, which we would like to sell. > Will they still be able to work on the new computers using Windows 10, > etc. > > Thank you, > > Edna - Ottawa > > > > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/   and  Devon FHS > (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY  Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal > RootsWeb community > --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com

But surely the 1881 census for England and Wales is free on Family Search? Adrian

As a volunteer, I work for the local library book shop. We have received quite a few of these disks, which we would like to sell. Will they still be able to work on the new computers using Windows 10, etc. Thank you, Edna - Ottawa

If anyone is researching the whole of England re deaths from World War I in particular they can ask me for a look up in my Aldenham School Registers. Although this entry does not relate to Devon, it was the 1st name that I came across and to give you an idea. Aldenham School Registers. LUTYENS, Lionel Gallway, Sept. 1902-1903 (Son of Charles LUTYENS, of Great Amwell, Herts) Migrated to Bedford Grammar School: 2nd Lieut. R.F.A. 1915.; Acting Major, M.C. Died of Wounds (France)Jan. 6th, 1918 The dates match with CWGC which has more info. There must be a Memorial to him somewhere, would be interesting to know where. Bev

I started wondering about memorials and was there any real organisation behind them. I found the following http://www.greatwar.co.uk/memorials/ww1-memorials.htm . Its worth following the links in particular "WW1 Monuments and Memorials in the United Kingdom". Those Family History Societies who have indexed Monumental Inscriptions often have included the war memorials. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Bruce [mailto:abruce6155@gmail.com] Sent: 19 October 2018 19:52 To: Devon Rootsweb Subject: [DEV] Re: War memorials On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 08:38, Jonathan Frayne <jon.frayne@gmail.com> wrote: > Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war ended and that local committees compiled the list of names to be included. This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone know if there are any records retained anywhere about their deliberations? My *impression* is that any records would have been retained - or not - by the body that was ultimately responsible for the memorial. For instance, if the memorial was created by a church, then any records would be with the church. Or binned, of course. It's actually dodgy to refer to "mistakes being made" because unless you know the criteria that were being used, it's hard to claim a mistake had been made. That said, it's clear that some memorials were intended to refer to inhabitants of that village / town / however that's defined. And it's equally clear that some names are, at the very least, unclear in their relevance to that village etc.. (I remember a story a few years ago about someone campaigning loudly that someone who'd been executed for desertion should be included on the village memorial and how it was unfair that such people had been excluded. Someone then pointed out that (a) there was no such generic exclusion and (b) that the said guy had already been listed on memorials in two other villages that he was actually more obviously linked with...) I suspect that there may have been an element of people putting the names of relatives forward in response to appeals. My granddad's elder brother is commemorated on Nantwich War Memorial but not Haslington - the family moved from Nantwich to Haslington during WW1. Conversely, they had 2 cousins who appear on the Nantwich memorial (where the family lived at the start of the war) and are *also* memorialised in Blackburn where their family moved during WW1. So there's nothing consistent and family responses may play a part. Adrian _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

I have done some work with the Herts at War project on war memorials and we have come across a number of instances where a name has appeared on the "wrong" memorial because there is another place with the same name in a different county e.g. Pirton, Herts & Pirton, Worcs. Adrian

On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 08:38, Jonathan Frayne <jon.frayne@gmail.com> wrote: > Following on from the thread about the end of WW1, I think war memorials in Britain were set up in rather a hurry after the war ended and that local committees compiled the list of names to be included. This led to some mistakes being made of course. Does anyone know if there are any records retained anywhere about their deliberations? My *impression* is that any records would have been retained - or not - by the body that was ultimately responsible for the memorial. For instance, if the memorial was created by a church, then any records would be with the church. Or binned, of course. It's actually dodgy to refer to "mistakes being made" because unless you know the criteria that were being used, it's hard to claim a mistake had been made. That said, it's clear that some memorials were intended to refer to inhabitants of that village / town / however that's defined. And it's equally clear that some names are, at the very least, unclear in their relevance to that village etc.. (I remember a story a few years ago about someone campaigning loudly that someone who'd been executed for desertion should be included on the village memorial and how it was unfair that such people had been excluded. Someone then pointed out that (a) there was no such generic exclusion and (b) that the said guy had already been listed on memorials in two other villages that he was actually more obviously linked with...) I suspect that there may have been an element of people putting the names of relatives forward in response to appeals. My granddad's elder brother is commemorated on Nantwich War Memorial but not Haslington - the family moved from Nantwich to Haslington during WW1. Conversely, they had 2 cousins who appear on the Nantwich memorial (where the family lived at the start of the war) and are *also* memorialised in Blackburn where their family moved during WW1. So there's nothing consistent and family responses may play a part. Adrian

www.longlongtrail.co.uk shows that on 20th Aug 1915 the 3rd Battalion Coldstream Guards transferred to 1st Guards Brigade, Guards Division: http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/the-british-infantry-regiments-of-1914-1918/coldstream-guards/ Joy ----Original message---- From : devon@rootsweb.com Date : 19/10/2018 - 15:30 (GMTST) To : devon@rootsweb.com Cc : elizgh@btinternet.com Subject : [DEV] W H DAWE Hi Joy and Graham ……...I have found his Soldiers effects notice , and see the place of death is given as Near Cuinchy . The 3rd Bttn Coldstream don`t appear to have war diaries for the period which covers 5/6 Feb 1915  .   However the 1st Battn are close by and their War Diary for 25th Jan 1915 Cuinchy , says " A deserter came in and reported an attack imminent  ….the German attack commenced with the explosion of a mine ……  the first line of trenches were consequently rushed by the Germans ."   there is a long list of dead, wounded, missing etc and the Black Watch which were on the immediate right of the 1st Coldstream , are also reported as being very badly damaged .  For the 5th / 6th February , the 1st Battn  are moving from Cuinchy to Bethune and then a couple of days later to Ecquedecques . Whilst this doesn`t exactly place WH , it could be read that this mine explosion and subsequent rushing of the trenches , could well have extended to the 3rd Bttn wherever they were . Their diaries start in Aug 1915. _______________________________________________ ------------------------------------------ The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS (http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) _______________________________________________ Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb community

Hi Joy and Graham ……...I have found his Soldiers effects notice , and see the place of death is given as Near Cuinchy . The 3rd Bttn Coldstream don`t appear to have war diaries for the period which covers 5/6 Feb 1915  .   However the 1st Battn are close by and their War Diary for 25th Jan 1915 Cuinchy , says " A deserter came in and reported an attack imminent  ….the German attack commenced with the explosion of a mine ……  the first line of trenches were consequently rushed by the Germans ."   there is a long list of dead, wounded, missing etc and the Black Watch which were on the immediate right of the 1st Coldstream , are also reported as being very badly damaged .  For the 5th / 6th February , the 1st Battn  are moving from Cuinchy to Bethune and then a couple of days later to Ecquedecques . Whilst this doesn`t exactly place WH , it could be read that this mine explosion and subsequent rushing of the trenches , could well have extended to the 3rd Bttn wherever they were . Their diaries start in Aug 1915.

In our small village in North Suffolk the war memorial (inside the church) commemorates 6 men who died in WW1. Oned is also named on the memorial 2 villages away and 2 who were born in this village are on the memorial in the next village. A few years ago we found a very tarnished duplicate memorial plaque in the back of a cupboard in the church. We discovered that it was the plaque that had been in the chapel, which was closed and converted to a house many years ago, so we had the brass refurbished and the plaque installed and rededicated in the village hall. We now hold our Remembrance service in the hall not the church (it's more central as well as warmer). During a tidying session in the church about 10 years ago we found in an old chest a hand-written list of names which turned out to be the list to be submitted to the organisers of the Suffolk Roll of Honour - the name of every man from the village who served, with those who were injured underlined and those who were killed double-underlined. That list, along with various stories and artefacts, will feature in the November meeting of our History Group. Liz Davidson On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 11:06 AM Elizabeth Howard <elizghoward@gmail.com> wrote: > In the case of our town in Norfolk , the 1920/22 deliberations of the > Town Council were deposited in the Norfolk Record Office so we have > no easy access to the decisions , assuming they were recorded . > Locally its the women`s names which vex people . The CWGC doesn`t > include either , so both have been a good research project . And the > WW1 one is now properly on our street war memorial and church > memorial , (she was WAAF but died a few days after the Armistice of > influenza aged 23 ) but the other eludes us still . She is on the > WW2 memorial but we still don`t know why , she died aged 24 of TB in > Kelling Sanatorium in 1945. > So Jon try the Record office for any deposits of local government > deliberations from 1919 onward . And can you find your stoker in > the 1911 census ? we have a chap who was born Rugby , widow living > Chelmsford and I ignored him for many a long month until someone said > he was living in Downham , my own road even , as a lodger in 1911 . So > the landlady might well have been instrumental in insisting he was > included . > And our Brownies , Ist Downham group, have painted big stones white > and added a scarlet poppy and the name of one of our 73 boys who died > …..and scattered them around the town , its simple and effective and a > taking point here . > > _______________________________________________ > ------------------------------------------ > The DEVON-L mailing list is co-sponsored by GENUKI/Devon > http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/DEV/ and Devon FHS ( > http://www.devonfhs.org.uk/ ) > _______________________________________________ > Email preferences: http://bit.ly/rootswebpref > Unsubscribe https://lists.rootsweb.com/postorius/lists/devon@rootsweb.com > Privacy Statement: https://ancstry.me/2JWBOdY Terms and Conditions: > https://ancstry.me/2HDBym9 > Rootsweb Blog: http://rootsweb.blog > RootsWeb is funded and supported by Ancestry.com and our loyal RootsWeb > community >