You give such great advice, DJ, and are so thorough that I'm hesitant to add this added information. But when I first started ordering films from the FHC, I initially purchased those $1.50 pamphlets you mentioned in both Latin and German (which I still periodically use). They are great, but I felt that I needed something more. Without having your advice on those free sites, I purchased a few Latin and German dictionaries - and found them not as practical for old Latin and German church records. Then upon advice from the B-W List, I purchased the book, "German-English Genealogical Dictionary" by Ernest Thode. I know you are familiar with it, but for new researchers, it not only has German but also has some Latin - very centered around words found in the old German/Latin written church records. This book has been a real asset for me, and between that and the two pamphlets, I've gone a long way in translating records. The first part of the book also includes things such as abbreviations, German letter formations, symbols, names, and more. So if you're planning on being in the film reading for awhile, this book is well worth the price, and can be purchased through the internet. Carol -----Original Message----- From: djweber [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2005 9:42 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [Ortenau] Maybe, a Tip for newer (Latin) Church Register researchers A couple of weeks ago, as a result of a side, not List, message the question of reading Latin in earlier Church Registers came up. This question may be of little value to those of you who have searched for any length of time, except for some new and strange-to-you occupational title, but for newer genealogists even Latin translations can be difficult. There are, however, a large number of on-line sources for Latin genealogical words which could be of excellent aid. Most of these sites are only several pages and they easily could be printed and used as your own dictionary while you are attempting to read LDS filmed Church Registers. Or, if your browser has the ability to mail web pages to you, you could keep the information in a computer folder without the need of printing all the pages. The first and the largest in number of pages is the LDS Genealogical Word List which is a series of pages starting at < http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/RG/guide/WLLatin.asp >. I believe this information may be almost exact to the booklet sold at most LDS locations for about $1.50. This set of pages includes Key Words, General Words, Numbers, Dates and Times. A site of about six pages is < http://www.xmission.com/~nelsonb/latin.htm > which is titled as a "Latin Primer" and for that title, it does an excellent job. The on-line encyclopedia, Wikipedia, offers information. This is primarily numbers and it's information is helpful in reading dates, < http://la.wikipedia.org/wiki.cgi?Numerus >. A site < http://home.online.no/~cfscheel/GG-LA.HTM > offers the Latin word translation into English, German and French....and some into Norwegian, for you linguists. Another guide to "Latin Dates and Numbers" is at < http://www.alsirat.com/symbols/latindates.html >. "Palaeography - Reading Latin", subtitled "A dictionary of Latin terms for the genealogist" is on-line at < http://www.jaydax.co.uk/genlinks/latin-dic.html >. I am certain that a < google.com > search will pick up many more sites of similar value. I have not searched as the sites suggested above have done the job for me whenever I have found a strange Latin word. If general Latin, beyond genealogical Latin, might be of value to you and you have a Barnes & Noble store in your area, that company together with Langenscheidt has published and still should have available for purchase a $6.95 pocket-sized Latin-English/English-Latin dictionary which advertises over 35,000 references on 480 pages. For its price and its contents, a great bargain. djweber [email protected] ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and resizing, the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. ============================== Jumpstart your genealogy with OneWorldTree. Search not only for ancestors, but entire generations. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13972/rd.ashx