DJ, Wendelin and Rose, Thank you for your fine input, as usual. You are great!! With what you sent, Wendelin, I can now put some pieces together. Thanks again. Maurine

Maurine, If that Valentine Derendinger is of any value to you, his wives in order were: Elisabeth Conrad, married April 19, 1790; she died January 10, 1812 Theresia Eisenmann, married August 13, 1812 Maria Ludgardis Saur, married February 10, 1825 The last marriage was at Achern and I believe the earlier two may have been there also. Some where I have some notes on children of the first marriage as one of them, another Valentin offered confusion to the search at one time. However, with only the third marriage fitting into my Sur/Saur/Sauer framework, the rest of my Derendinger notes are just that, scribbled notes on some page in one of several folders. djweber [email protected]