Maurine, Pat, This appears to be the answer. Go to < google.com > and enter your search item as < derendinger + grieshaber > and search. If you find, < Ahnen W F Grieshaber > near the top from your search, do not click on it or on the "translate". Click on the "Cached" link. The web page is no longer a live page but the Cached copy does come up. The old web page address was: < http://home.t-online.de/home/Horst.Grieshaber/ahn_wfg.htn >. Maurine, your "Nicht Bekannt" should mean "not known". You originally said you found this page while searching the Derendinger surname. I am certain I have no connection for you unless you have a Derendinger sibling who left your home area and went to Achern. I have a Valentin Derendinger, Abt 1769 to October 15, 1828 whose third wife was Maria Lugardis Saur (this was her second marriage), no children, just a happy marriage of two old folk...but if he fits for you, I do have a little information. djweber [email protected]