Lila, Wendelin, Maurine..... Lila, thanks for trying for me; you have found part of my problem. Too many Johann Jäger/Jaeger in this world. 28 at the Castle Garden site, 3 more there as Jager, 38 in the Auswanderer List and dozens more that I have run across in other searches. Even the early Cleveland, Ohio City Directories for the time just after his emigration have multiple listings for the name. The story of the U.S. Church records having burned up was confirmed to me years ago by a cousin who remembered being one of the by-standers the night of the fire watching the wooden Rectory become ashes. I started searching the Jaeger family years ago when my mother-in-law was still living. She knew less about her family than I have learned. Adding to the confusion, "Baydin"? Wendelin, don't worry about me. The Ichenheim gamble is just that, a gamble. I expect the LDS roll of film which covers the surnames Harlacher to Maile for the needed time period. My List message was a part of that gamble to see if anyone currently had the Ichenheim Familienbuch in an attempt to inflate or deflate my genealogical anxiety. Don't spend your time for me on this one. Hopefully, I will have some sort of answer as a result of the film. Maurine, the German-born females I know attached to Johann's families would be twin daughters a mere two years old at the time of emigration. As I told Wendelin, thanks but hopefully the Baden Emigration Index film will give me an answer. And, Maurine, if you are pleased with the use of the Castle Garden site < http://www.castlegarden.org > keep checking back into the site. I have read but I can not confirm (I bet Beverly can deny or confirm) that only about one million emigrants have been listed so far at the site and another two million are still to be listed; a work in process. djweber [email protected]