List Members, I have a question for the researchers on the list. Which I might add make this open to anyone on the list. Last night I was going through a LDS tape of "TOTE" records from Oberkirch, Baden and ran across what appeared to be the wife of my gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather, Caspar Fetz. He married a woman by the name of Leutgarde Braun. She passed away in 1785 before her husband Caspar who died in 1790. My question is, during this period of time was the wife listed in death records by her maiden name and not her married name? This listing was Leutgarde Braun and not Leutgarde Fetz. Or was this perhaps another person of the same name. I never made a copy of the record but suppose that I should to study the detail. Thanks for the advise that I am about to receive....... Regards, Tony Fetz

Tony, To answer your question - yes, maiden names were used. All sources that I have encountered - microfilm, IGI and kinship books give maiden names. Good luck! Maurine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 5:56 AM Subject: [Ortenau] names and maiden names > List Members, > I have a question for the researchers on the list. Which I might add make this open to anyone on the list. Last night I was going through a LDS tape of "TOTE" records from Oberkirch, Baden and ran across what appeared to be the wife of my gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather, Caspar Fetz. He married a woman by the name of Leutgarde Braun. She passed away in 1785 before her husband Caspar who died in 1790. My question is, during this period of time was the wife listed in death records by her maiden name and not her married name? This listing was Leutgarde Braun and not Leutgarde Fetz. Or was this perhaps another person of the same name. > I never made a copy of the record but suppose that I should to study the detail. > Thanks for the advise that I am about to receive....... > > Regards, > Tony Fetz > > > ==== DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Mailing List ==== > < http://www.stadtplandienst.de/ > offers detailed on-line maps of the town of your ancestor. From the map of Offenburg, by moving and resizing, the streets of your ancestor's home town can be found. > > ============================== > Census images 1901, 1891, 1881 and 1871, plus so much more. > Ancestry.com's United Kingdom & Ireland Collection. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13968/rd.ashx > >

Tony, Maurine has given you the answer. You have run into the norm of Central European genealogy. I can not guarantee that this is the standard for every non-English country but wherever I have searched in Europe I have found the maiden name to continue with the woman for her entire life. This has continued even into North America in Québec where the French do not remember that they lost a war in 1764. In Montréal you will find statues of early pioneers, man and woman, with different names even though they were husband and wife. The wife's maiden name was/is used. You could have a variation, though. Remember that the baptismal record may have listed only the vorname rather than both the vorname and the Ruf name. It, therefore, is possible that in later rites, marriage, births of children, death, the Ruf name might be used rather than the vorname. Also spellings of both the surname and the vorname may have varied depending on the abilities of the Priest/Minister. Going back to French-Canada, I have found women identified over the years with up to four different first names. Another variation but a rare variation is for a widow. Seldom the name of the first husband is listed for the woman during her life with the second husband. This probably is caused by the thought that the Priest/Minister was new and had little knowledge of the prior marriage. For your Leutgarde Braun the Braun surname in parts of Baden is very common. And the first name was common to many girls. Do not accept that the "Leutgard Braun" as your ancestor without searching in the death record for the identification of the husband and/or the age at the time of death. Is Kaspar Fetz identified in the death record? In particular with your spelling of "Leutgarde", you may find other spellings in various rites. The original Saint was identified as Lutgardis (a Benedictine and a mystic) and while Lutgardis may be the normal name, other spellings (or misspellings) are found in various Church Registers. djweber [email protected] ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 7:56 AM Subject: [Ortenau] names and maiden names > List Members, > I have a question for the researchers on the list. Which I might add make > this open to anyone on the list. Last night I was going through a LDS tape > of "TOTE" records from Oberkirch, Baden and ran across what appeared to be > the wife of my gr-gr-gr-gr-grandfather, Caspar Fetz. He married a woman by > the name of Leutgarde Braun. She passed away in 1785 before her husband > Caspar who died in 1790. My question is, during this period of time was > the wife listed in death records by her maiden name and not her married > name? This listing was Leutgarde Braun and not Leutgarde Fetz. Or was this > perhaps another person of the same name. > I never made a copy of the record but suppose that I should to study the > detail. > Thanks for the advise that I am about to receive....... > > Regards, > Tony Fetz