DJ, When looking through the many Windschlaeg records I have, for a baptism just above mine for a Petronilla Fischer, I found an Urbanus Saur born 18 May 1809, "filius illegitimus Antonii Saur solutus ex Oensbach nati" .... with more info. Was this the record I sent you a long time ago? My mind is numb with all the hunting I've been doing, so please excuse me if this is a repeat! Carol