Carol, The Urban/Anton Saur relationship is the one you had sent on to me. It was a side-family or perhaps for my inabilities, two side-families of my search. In that downward tree which I have attempted from the original Johannes Sur who moved to Oensbach about 1722, I have mentioned the birth of Urban to unmarried parents Anton Saur and Salome Schneider in two places, once for the Anton born in 1786 to Franz Josef Saur and Maria Theresia Valentin with the second entry of the information for the Anton born in 1787 to Wendelin Saur and Christina Harter. Both Anton(s) were of the age and unmarried at the time of Urban's birth; both married in the 1814-1815 time period. So I have the information but I'm too dumb to know what to do with it. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rogers" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 4:00 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Saur from Oensbach > DJ, > > When looking through the many Windschlaeg records I have, for a baptism > just > above mine for a Petronilla Fischer, I found an Urbanus Saur born 18 May > 1809, "filius illegitimus Antonii Saur solutus ex Oensbach nati" .... with > more info. > > Was this the record I sent you a long time ago? My mind is numb with all > the hunting I've been doing, so please excuse me if this is a repeat! > > Carol >