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    1. help needed
    2. Carol Rogers
    3. Any help on solving the following mystery would be greatly appreciated!! The first record of Joannes Fischer in Windschläg was for his marriage to Anna Maria Goss on 4 Feb 1726. The only record of his death, however, lists his wife as Anna Maria "Bueller". His burial was witnessed by Michael Goss and Jona Goss. I have yet to find a burial record for his wife, Anna Maria Goss, but have found a burial record for Anna Maria "Bueller" that lists Joannes Fischer as her husband. Her death on 26 Jan 1761 and subsequent burial on 27 Jan was witnessed by Anton Fischer and Martin Fischer, both sons of Joannes Fischer and Anna Maria Goss. I've been unable to locate a marriage for Joannes and Anna Maria "Bueller". The marriage record for Joannes and Anna Maria Goss seems to indicate she was unmarried ("virgo"). Since Anna Maria Goss and parents were listed from Windschläg in her marriage records, I question whether she would have been buried elsewhere, but that could be a possibility. This might indicate that Joannes Fischer had remarried somewhere other than Windschläg after A.M.Goss died, to a A.M.Bueller - and the priest at the time of their death did not realize, or failed to indicate, that Joannes had been married prior to the listed Anna Maria Bueller. That might also explain why the marriage for (Joannes)Martin Fischer to Magdalena Eggs was listed as Martin Fischer, son of Joannes Fischer p.m.(after death) and Anna Maria "Bueller". This marriage took place on 20 Apr 1761, just three months after Anna Maria "Bueller's" death, and ten years after Joannes Fischer's death. However, there is no other baptismal record for a Martin Fischer in Windschläg (going back to the beginning of the 1700's) other than (Joannes) Martinus, born on 1 Oct 1738, to Joannes Fischer and Anna Maria Goss. If there was a second marriage, I could understand a priest listing the most recent wife of the groom's father as being the groom's mother, especially if the priest was "new to the parish", and the "mother" had died so recently. Therefore I believe these two Anna Maria's are either one and the same, or that Joannes remarried for a short time after his first wife died. Any thoughts on this?!! Anna Maria Goss' parents were Jonas Goss and Margaretha Bluemberger, from Windschläg, while Joannes Fischer was son of Joannes Fischer from "Weyhldorf". Both fathers were listed deceased on marriage of Joannes Fischer and Anna Maria Goss in 1926 - for whatever this info is worth. They had eight other children besides Martin. No death record was found for Martin prior to the marriage in 1761, so I feel there is only ONE Martin. I've pulled all the Fischer records I could find from these five Windschläg films in connecting all the Fischer's in this town up to the later 1800's, and find this is the only puzzle. Carol

    02/12/2005 12:20:43
    1. Re: [Ortenau] help needed
    2. djweber
    3. Carol, Do you have the marriage record of Jonas Goss and Margaretha Bluemberger? Is this too early for the Windschlaeg records? Are these the names as written in the Church Register? Do you have all their children's baptismal records? Are the parents listed as Jonas and Margaretha in each instance? Have you found any other instances of a Bueller/Büller/Bühler family in Windschlaeg? Have you found any hint of a connection between Bueller and Bluemberger? Wendelin's page on Windschlaeg does identify Böhle as a 1700 time-period surname in the town....connection? Do you believe you have found all the children of Joannes Fischer and Anna Maria Goss? Have you double checked the death register for shortly after the last-found child was born to see if any woman by anything close to a similar name to Anna Maria Goss/Gose is recorded? The next thought is if you can find any instance by checking page after page starting with the death record in 1761 of Anna Maria Bueller and working backwards in the baptismal section to see if you can find an Anna Maria Bueller (and/or Anna Maria Goss), uxor Joannes Fischer as a Godparent. While that is tedious work, it can be a hint as to either timing of marriages or written error of surname. You could always work the other way from the start of their marriage to the end which might be easier as Godparents are very often close to the same age as the parents. A death might not have been recorded and a second marriage could have taken place at a nearby town but my first effort would be to know everything I could find about Joannes and his Anna Maria(s), their children's baptismal, marriage and death records and the parents and siblings of Anna Maria(s). You might find a slip-up somewhere as the key to your problem. djweber [email protected] ---------------------------- From: "Carol Rogers" <[email protected]> Any help on solving the following mystery would be greatly appreciated!! The first record of Joannes Fischer in Windschläg was for his marriage to Anna Maria Goss on 4 Feb 1726. The only record of his death, however, lists his wife as Anna Maria "Bueller". His burial was witnessed by Michael Goss and Jona Goss. I have yet to find a burial record for his wife, Anna Maria Goss, but have found a burial record for Anna Maria "Bueller" that lists Joannes Fischer as her husband. Her death on 26 Jan 1761 and subsequent burial on 27 Jan was witnessed by Anton Fischer and Martin Fischer, both sons of Joannes Fischer and Anna Maria Goss. I've been unable to locate a marriage for Joannes and Anna Maria "Bueller". The marriage record for Joannes and Anna Maria Goss seems to indicate she was unmarried ("virgo"). Since Anna Maria Goss and parents were listed from Windschläg in her marriage records, I question whether she would have been buried elsewhere, but that could be a possibility. This might indicate that Joannes Fischer had remarried somewhere other than Windschläg after A.M.Goss died, to a A.M.Bueller - and the priest at the time of their death did not realize, or failed to indicate, that Joannes had been married prior to the listed Anna Maria Bueller. That might also explain why the marriage for (Joannes)Martin Fischer to Magdalena Eggs was listed as Martin Fischer, son of Joannes Fischer p.m.(after death) and Anna Maria "Bueller". This marriage took place on 20 Apr 1761, just three months after Anna Maria "Bueller's" death, and ten years after Joannes Fischer's death. However, there is no other baptismal record for a Martin Fischer in Windschläg (going back to the beginning of the 1700's) other than (Joannes) Martinus, born on 1 Oct 1738, to Joannes Fischer and Anna Maria Goss. If there was a second marriage, I could understand a priest listing the most recent wife of the groom's father as being the groom's mother, especially if the priest was "new to the parish", and the "mother" had died so recently. Therefore I believe these two Anna Maria's are either one and the same, or that Joannes remarried for a short time after his first wife died. Any thoughts on this?!! Anna Maria Goss' parents were Jonas Goss and Margaretha Bluemberger, from Windschläg, while Joannes Fischer was son of Joannes Fischer from "Weyhldorf". Both fathers were listed deceased on marriage of Joannes Fischer and Anna Maria Goss in 1926 - for whatever this info is worth. They had eight other children besides Martin. No death record was found for Martin prior to the marriage in 1761, so I feel there is only ONE Martin. I've pulled all the Fischer records I could find from these five Windschläg films in connecting all the Fischer's in this town up to the later 1800's, and find this is the only puzzle. Carol

    02/12/2005 04:11:43