Hello Pat Zipf, In an earlier message you named 16 ancestors that you were interested in, including Juene, Heitz and Metz. (WOW!) If you're following that many families - what do you do with your idle time??? I can contribute very little to your special interests, but the following may help: Martin Fischbach was born on October 23, 1781, in Neiderschopfheim (his parents were named Jacob Fischbach and Ursula HEITZ). His wife Theresia (Therese) was born September 15, 1785, in Neiderschopfheim (her parents were named Michael JUENE and Anne Maria METZ). Dick