Carol, That Hammond map reminds of a smaller sized book/atlas which AAA had about ten years old. I didn't buy the AAA book/atlas and I have kicked myself since then. Today, there are so many map makers on-line including so many town Stadtplan sites that I probably could toss out the boxes of maps I have....but I won't. When I lived in Ohio, there was an outfit near Chicago which sold the Landesvermessungsamt maps. When I moved to Illinois, that company had moved to Utah and stopped handling the German maps. For an overall view, I have a 1937 Andrees Hand-Atlas which covers better than 90% of the towns in Germany but to get an idea of how that Sauer line moved from Zusenhofen to Urloffen to Oensbach to Grossweier with side trips into a number of other towns, these 1 : 25 000 Topographische Karte are excellent. If I needed any more of the Baden area, the only way I could obtain them now would be to find some contact in Germany who would be willing to obtain them and to be certain that I supplied him with sufficient Euros for the maps, the mailing costs and his time. Agreed these are not historic maps; the earliest ones I have are 1985 views and I obtained a few more of the 2003 issues but you can count the number of buildings in each town, the detail is so exact. There is a company in western Canada who will supply 1 : 25 000 maps but only of eastern Germany, mostly the lost provinces and those maps are historic to a point in time. Maps are so important in our searches, particularly in our Baden needs. Our Ortenau towns are so close to or are in the Black Forest and our ancestors were not mountain goats so the topographic views are necessary so we can figure out how they met other people, how they traded with others, how they moved to another town....it helps us understand them and what they did. djweber [email protected]