Brian, As I told you in my message, I can go no further and I have referenced you to the LDS filmed Church Registers for the town of Urloffen, although Dan Bravard has acknowledged that he has the Urloffen films on an Extended basis. As such he could, perhaps, check the baptism to give you enough details so that you might continue the search of your ancestors on your own. But, I would add one thought. You have identified the town as "Urloffen, Offenburg, Baden". This could be a true identification of location today and it logically is the identification as used from the 1912 Meyers Gazetteer' town identification in the LDS IGI but your nineteenth and eighteenth century ancestors never lived in "Urloffen, Offenburg, Baden". Kreis areas (such the the Ortenaukreis) have changed over the years. The administrative districts have also changed (often) over the years. At the time of the organization of the Grand Duchy, 1803-1806, there were three provinces: Oberrheins, Mittelrheins and Unterrheins. The number of Kreis and the number of administrative districts within Baden has continued to grow. For your ancestor having been born probably in 1844, a safer designation of location merely could be "Urloffen, Grand Duchy of Baden". The Grand Duchy joined the South German Federation in 1866 and became a part of the German Empire in 1871. Also, considering that in the earlier years before the formation of the Grand Duchy on August 13, 1806 Urloffen was within the Habsburg area of the Landvogtei Ortenau of the Vörderosterreich, if you trace your ancestors in the LDS Urloffen films, you may want to determine a more correct, than the IGI designation, identification for their town location. djweber [email protected]