Karen, Sometimes numbers do not fit. I have several records which identify that my Sauer family emigrated from Baden with all eleven members. In reality there were only the parents and six children, a total of eight. As the family was shipped at Town expense to America, my guess has been that the other three children, little Mathilda, Sibilla and Hironiums (spelling as per a couple of the records), belonged to one of the other families being shipped and for some passage-rate reason were applied to a second family. Maybe you didn't have as large a family as suggested? djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Querna" <Karen@qualitypumps.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Maennle family Dear Wendelin and all! below is my translation from the Bottenau book. I am curious just what area did it cover? This might help me narrow down a birth place for Christian. This is the second document which mentions 9 members. I wish I could find where they ended up if they were not on the ship with Christian. I am also curious what would a gulden be worth in US dollars today? I have recently found on Family Search, and am wondering if perhaps this could be a link - my Christian states that he was born on Oct. 15, 1815. Looks like I need to order the Durbach films. Or am I chasing a "John Smith" Christian <Maennle> Birth: 21 OCT 1815 Durbach, Offenburg, Baden Father: Christian Maennle Mother: Dorothea Haisch *The 9 members of the family Christian Maennle, which had likewise lost its fortune by foreclosure sale, was pushed away with municipality support 1853. The entire passage cost the municipality with provisions 600 guldens, had 350 guldens to to it-put * Thank you for everyones thoughts on this.