Dear Wendelin and all! below is my translation from the Bottenau book. I am curious just what area did it cover? This might help me narrow down a birth place for Christian. This is the second document which mentions 9 members. I wish I could find where they ended up if they were not on the ship with Christian. I am also curious what would a gulden be worth in US dollars today? I have recently found on Family Search, and am wondering if perhaps this could be a link - my Christian states that he was born on Oct. 15, 1815. Looks like I need to order the Durbach films. Or am I chasing a "John Smith" Christian <Maennle> Birth: 21 OCT 1815 Durbach, Offenburg, Baden Father: Christian Maennle Mother: Dorothea Haisch *The 9 members of the family Christian Maennle, which had likewise lost its fortune by foreclosure sale, was pushed away with municipality support 1853. The entire passage cost the municipality with provisions 600 guldens, had 350 guldens to to it-put * Thank you for everyones thoughts on this. Karenq you are maybe interested to know the text from the book.Die dreyherrschaftliche Gemeind Bottenau" page 70: Die neunköpfige Familie Christian Männle, die ebenfalls durch Zwangsvollstreckung ihr Vermögen verloren hatte, wurde mit Gemeindeunterstützung 1853 abgeschoben. Die gesamte Überfahrt kostete mit Proviant 600 Gulden, die Gemeinde mußte 350 Gulden dazulegen. - Wendelin Dear Wendelin and Brian, thank you for your thoughts on this: From https://www.auswanderer.landesarchiv-bw.de nr 160903 name: Mannle, Christian ort: Herztal, Nussbach, Stadt Oberkirch, OG Amt/:Oberkirch Emigrationsjahr: 1853 Zielland: Nordamerica "with nine persons" I also have a copy of his naturalization record with states his birth as Oct. 15, 1815. His death record in the NEGHS does not list his parents. So about a year or so ago I searched the Herztal records with no luck. As you, am guessing that he was not born there, put perhaps in some other area nearby. for Maria Anna Walter emigrated in 1855 from Schutern (Friesenheim) - those records I have not searched yet. so I believe my "association" of Mannle + Mela came from the Immigrant ship records, as even Mannle is mispelled. From the auswander records if Christian did travel with nine others, I am not sure who else they could of been. the "Mela" names seemed the most obvious. > > Thank you again for your input - this is a great list! > back to Schwendemann stuff next week when the FHC is open! > Karenq > > deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com wro >> >> Dear Wendelin, >> Christain Mannle - my mystery man, I have searched the Hertzal Nussbach registers for him with no luck. You mentioned in one of the digests his name was in the book in 1853. Below is from the ship manifest of the Adelaide Metcalf from March 28, 1855. Marianne was his wife. I believe that the people below him were also Mannle and may of been the members listed with him on the auswanderer index. I been able to trace Christian in America, but not the others below. In the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. With some of the first names one would of thought this would be easy. Any thoughts of other versions of first names? Or where did they go. Christian and Marianne went to Boston. >> thank you >> Karenq >> >> >> 18 Walter Marianne 26 F Farmer Bade United States >> 19* Marmle Christian 32 M Farmer Bade United States > 20 Mela Herz 52 M Farmer Bade United States >> 21 Mela Hanchen 38 F Farmer Bade United States > >> 22 Mela Hanchen 10 F Farmer Bade United States > >> 23 Mela Salomon 8 M Farmer Bade United States >> 24 Mela Bertha 8 F Farmer Bade United States >> 25 Mela Regina 7 F Farmer Bade United States >> 26 Mela Berthold 6 M Farmer Bade United States >> 27 Mela Jetta 5 F Farmer Bade United States >> 28 Mela Ferdinand 6m M Farmer Bade United States >> >> >> Hello Karen, >> >> maybe Christian Männle and his wife were not born in the parish Nussbach >> but in a neighboring town. It's possible that his emigration >> record has any information when and where they were born. >> >> No, I do not belive the people below him were als Männle at least not >> all, I believe their given names are Jewish names: Herz, Hanchen, >> Salomon. >> >> - Wendelin >> >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:57:34 -0800 >> Karen Querna <Karen@qualitypumps.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Dear Wendelin, >>> Christain Mannle - my mystery man, I have searched the Hertzal >>> Nussbach registers for him with no luck. You mentioned in one of the >>> digests his name was in the book in 1853. Below is from the ship >>> manifest of the Adelaide Metcalf from March 28, 1855. Marianne was >>> his wife. I believe that the people below him were also Mannle and >>> may of been the members listed with him on the auswanderer index. I >>> been able to trace Christian in America, but not the others below. In >>> the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. With some of the first names one >>> would of thought this would be easy. Any thoughts of other versions >>> of first names? Or where did they go. Christian and Marianne went to >>> Boston. thank you >>> Karenq >>> >>> >>> 18 Walter Marianne 26 F Farmer Bade United >>> States 19* Marmle Christian 32 M Farmer Bade >>> United States 20 Mela Herz 52 M Farmer >>> Bade United States 21 Mela Hanchen 38 F >>> Farmer Bade United States 22 Mela Hanchen 10 >>> F Farmer Bade United States 23 Mela Salomon >>> 8 M Farmer Bade United States 24 Mela >>> Bertha 8 F Farmer Bade United States 25 >>> Mela Regina 7 F Farmer Bade United States >>> 26 Mela Berthold 6 M Farmer Bade United >>> States 27 Mela Jetta 5 F Farmer Bade >>> United States 28 Mela Ferdinand 6m M Farmer >>> Bade United States >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Re: [Ortenau] Herztal >> From: >> brian@amason.net >> Date: >> Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:40 -0600 (CST) >> To: >> deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com >> >> To: >> deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com >> >> >> My wife's side of the tree has family members named Salomon and are not >> Jewish, but Lutheran. They are also Swedish though. I do not necessarily >> support the idea of setting presumptions of religious affiliation solely >> upon names. But I also question the association of the Melas as Mannles, >> because of the age of the elder Mennle. At 52, I would have suspected him >> to be the head of the household. That is not to say it never happened like >> this, but generally when I see a family with a younger male as the >> apparent head of the family, the elder male was the father-in-law. >> >> Brian >> >> On Sat, February 16, 2008 2:20 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: >> >>>> d Karen, > > Herz Mela emigrated from Billigheim in 1854, he is in the emigration > database. > > Okay, Salomon could be also a name for German Lutherans but Herz? > > - Wendelin > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:40 -0600 (CST) > brian@amason.net wrote: > >> My wife's side of the tree has family members named Salomon and are >> not Jewish, but Lutheran. They are also Swedish though. I do not >> necessarily support the idea of setting presumptions of religious >> affiliation solely upon names. But I also question the association of >> the Melas as Mannles, because of the age of the elder Mennle. At 52, >> I would have suspected him to be the head of the household. That is >> not to say it never happened like this, but generally when I see a >> family with a younger male as the apparent head of the family, the >> elder male was the father-in-law. >> >> Brian >> >> On Sat, February 16, 2008 2:20 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: >>> Hello Karen, >>> >>> maybe Christian Männle and his wife were not born in the parish >>> Nussbach but in a neighboring town. It's possible that his >>> emigration record has any information when and where they were born. >>> >>> No, I do not belive the people below him were als Männle at least >>> not all, I believe their given names are Jewish names: Herz, >>> Hanchen, Salomon. >>> >>> - Wendelin > >