Dan, Again I am a failure. I do not have a marriage date for Ludan Joggerst and Kunigunde Wiegele. This lack probably results from my method of researching side families. I start with the emigrant ancestor, in this case Landelin Saur and I try to work back to the earliest recorded ancestor. Then I do a reverse and pick up as much information on those side relatives whom I can locate....sometimes a lot of information and sometimes almost nothing. For Landelin who emigrated from Grossweier with work, effort and help from Rose and her cousins (Rolf actually found the birth location for me), I went back through three Johannes Sur/Saur at Oensabch. After finding the direct line details, I then started with the earliest Johannes and worked a Tree downwards of as many of his descendants as I could locate reaching to Landelin's childrens era. At that point I thought I was lost and done with the family but as I had not found Johannes' birth record, I searched about a dozen and a half additional towns for his 1700 baptism. I found his marriage and his baptism at Urloffen and was able to locate details on the two earlier Urloffen and Zusenhofen generations. This meant that I now had a new start, two generations earlier, for a downward tree and more to research to equal approximately 1850. I attempted to pick up what I could on the new sets of direct descendants although my efforts may not have been as diligent as in my search upwards from Landelin. By a direct e-mail I will send you what details I have gathered on the ancestry of Kunigunde Wiegele. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com -------------------- -----Original Message----- >From: Dan Bravard <dbravard2@insight.rr.com> >Sent: May 12, 2008 8:12 AM >To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com >Cc: Urloffen Mail List <deu-bad-urloffen-request@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Jockerst/Jokerst/Joggerst, etc > >DJWeber: > >At last I connect with another Urloffen descendant! I also have a Ludan >Joggerst, son of Joannes Michael Joggerst and Maria Magdalena Wernerin. > >Would you happen to have the marriage date for Ludan and Kunigunde Wiegele? > >Thanks, > >Dan