Hello again, I'm back after a break from the List and very recently discovered a Joseph E. Sauer that purchased government land in 1853 in Ste. Genevieve, Missouri, one plot being right next to Lawrence "Jokest". Having Sauer ancestry in Appenweier, I did some research on this individual to find him in Ste. Genevieve in 1860 and 1870 census, but in St. Michael, Madison Co., Missouri, in 1880 - but in Brazeau, Perry Co., Missouri, in 1850. On a hunch, I found his marriages and some of the older children's baptismal records in St. Joseph's Church, Apple Creek, Perry County, where I found his parents to be Stephan Sauer and Legard Ernst from possibly a misspelled version of Renchen, for which town I found in a brother, Anselm's marriage record to Mariannam Laible/Leible, son of Vincent Laible and Rosalie Widemer from what I think is misspelling of Urlofen. "Anselmum" was listed born 16 April 1827, and Mariannam was listed born Jun 1829. Not as much info was listed in Joseph E. Sauer's marriage to Mary Ann Ponder, d/o Laurence Ponder and M.A. Schrempp. There was also another Sauer family in Apple Creek at that same time, but that family is listed from a town in Prussia. Is anyone studying this Sauer line? I'm wondering what made Joseph E. decide to move from Perry County to Ste. Genevieve, unless he previously knew some families from towns north of Offenburg that immigrated to Ste. Genevieve. Carol Rogers

Carol, My name is Ted Kirn of New Orleans. I noticed your Sauer relatives and I am wondering if there is a connection to Ottersweir in Baden. My great-great-great grandfather, Andreas Kirn of Neusatz, was married to Elizabetha Sauer of Ottersweir. I don't know anyone else on the Sauer line at this point. Elizabeth and Andreas had fourteen children. Theodor Kirn left Neusatz in 1863 and came to America. He served in the 41st Infantry Regiment of Missouri. He then traveled to New Orleans after the Civil War. If you know of a possible connection, please contact me. ---- Carol Rogers <homealot@earthlink.net> wrote: > Hello again, > > I'm back after a break from the List and very recently discovered a Joseph > E. Sauer that purchased government land in 1853 in Ste. Genevieve, Missouri, > one plot being right next to Lawrence "Jokest". Having Sauer ancestry in > Appenweier, I did some research on this individual to find him in Ste. > Genevieve in 1860 and 1870 census, but in St. Michael, Madison Co., > Missouri, in 1880 - but in Brazeau, Perry Co., Missouri, in 1850. On a > hunch, I found his marriages and some of the older children's baptismal > records in St. Joseph's Church, Apple Creek, Perry County, where I found his > parents to be Stephan Sauer and Legard Ernst from possibly a misspelled > version of Renchen, for which town I found in a brother, Anselm's marriage > record to Mariannam Laible/Leible, son of Vincent Laible and Rosalie Widemer > from what I think is misspelling of Urlofen. "Anselmum" was listed born 16 > April 1827, and Mariannam was listed born Jun 1829. Not as much info was > listed in Joseph E. Sauer's marriage to Mary Ann Ponder, d/o Laurence Ponder > and M.A. Schrempp. There was also another Sauer family in Apple Creek at > that same time, but that family is listed from a town in Prussia. Is anyone > studying this Sauer line? I'm wondering what made Joseph E. decide to move > from Perry County to Ste. Genevieve, unless he previously knew some families > from towns north of Offenburg that immigrated to Ste. Genevieve. > > Carol Rogers > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol: There is a mailing list for Urloffen-descended and for St. Charles County, MO. researchers, as well which I am cc'ing. I am wondering if there is anyone who might be able to help as well. with your questions. For what it is worth I have a Jockerst/Jokerst/Joggerst line as well from Urloffen which I have researched extensively (but not exhaustively). Dan Bravard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rogers" <homealot@earthlink.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Sauer and/or Widemer > Hello again, > > I'm back after a break from the List and very recently discovered a Joseph > E. Sauer that purchased government land in 1853 in Ste. Genevieve, > Missouri, > one plot being right next to Lawrence "Jokest". Having Sauer ancestry in > Appenweier, I did some research on this individual to find him in Ste. > Genevieve in 1860 and 1870 census, but in St. Michael, Madison Co., > Missouri, in 1880 - but in Brazeau, Perry Co., Missouri, in 1850. On a > hunch, I found his marriages and some of the older children's baptismal > records in St. Joseph's Church, Apple Creek, Perry County, where I found > his > parents to be Stephan Sauer and Legard Ernst from possibly a misspelled > version of Renchen, for which town I found in a brother, Anselm's marriage > record to Mariannam Laible/Leible, son of Vincent Laible and Rosalie > Widemer > from what I think is misspelling of Urlofen. "Anselmum" was listed born > 16 > April 1827, and Mariannam was listed born Jun 1829. Not as much info was > listed in Joseph E. Sauer's marriage to Mary Ann Ponder, d/o Laurence > Ponder > and M.A. Schrempp. There was also another Sauer family in Apple Creek at > that same time, but that family is listed from a town in Prussia. Is > anyone > studying this Sauer line? I'm wondering what made Joseph E. decide to > move > from Perry County to Ste. Genevieve, unless he previously knew some > families > from towns north of Offenburg that immigrated to Ste. Genevieve. > > Carol Rogers > > >

Thanks, Dan. I appreciate you sending a "cc" to the Urloffen list. As for St. Charles County, I've heard that there were "Offenburg" area towns that had emigrants moving there, and the person who told me might even be reading this as a Lister! However, I've never gone that route as my German ancestors all immigrated straight to Ste. Genevieve County. Where did the Urloffen Jockerst/Joggerst/Jokerst emigrants settle? As far back as you can take them in records, are they still in Urloffen or did they have origins in other towns? I've done and am still in the process of studying that/those surname(s): 1)in Bohlsbach where my Jokerst line was from and the name is very prevalent, 2)in Windschlag where a line of Ste. Genevieve "Joggerst" emigrated from, 3)Joggerst in Weier that also connect, 4)most recently Buhl where some of these three towns of Jokerst tie into. Earlier census in the U.S. usually show that surname most prominently in Ste. Genevieve County, then later spill over into St. Louis - though also seen in New York, New Jersey, New Orleans, and Illinois - possibly in other states from 1920 forward. Too bad records don't go far enough back as we might be able to find when/where the name changed spellings - if in fact they are all one and the same surname. I've thus far seen a separation of spelling in lines, though not uncommonly mispelled within records. I will look through the family sheets I have and see if any of the Jokerst have origins in Urloffen and send them on your way - if you are interested. Carol -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Dan Bravard Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 6:40 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Cc: St Charles Mailing List; Urloffen Mail List Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Sauer and/or Widemer Carol: There is a mailing list for Urloffen-descended and for St. Charles County, MO. researchers, as well which I am cc'ing. I am wondering if there is anyone who might be able to help as well. with your questions. For what it is worth I have a Jockerst/Jokerst/Joggerst line as well from Urloffen which I have researched extensively (but not exhaustively). Dan Bravard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Rogers" <homealot@earthlink.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2008 4:00 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Sauer and/or Widemer > Hello again, > > I'm back after a break from the List and very recently discovered a Joseph > E. Sauer that purchased government land in 1853 in Ste. Genevieve, > Missouri, > one plot being right next to Lawrence "Jokest". Having Sauer ancestry in > Appenweier, I did some research on this individual to find him in Ste. > Genevieve in 1860 and 1870 census, but in St. Michael, Madison Co., > Missouri, in 1880 - but in Brazeau, Perry Co., Missouri, in 1850. On a > hunch, I found his marriages and some of the older children's baptismal > records in St. Joseph's Church, Apple Creek, Perry County, where I found > his > parents to be Stephan Sauer and Legard Ernst from possibly a misspelled > version of Renchen, for which town I found in a brother, Anselm's marriage > record to Mariannam Laible/Leible, son of Vincent Laible and Rosalie > Widemer > from what I think is misspelling of Urlofen. "Anselmum" was listed born > 16 > April 1827, and Mariannam was listed born Jun 1829. Not as much info was > listed in Joseph E. Sauer's marriage to Mary Ann Ponder, d/o Laurence > Ponder > and M.A. Schrempp. There was also another Sauer family in Apple Creek at > that same time, but that family is listed from a town in Prussia. Is > anyone > studying this Sauer line? I'm wondering what made Joseph E. decide to > move > from Perry County to Ste. Genevieve, unless he previously knew some > families > from towns north of Offenburg that immigrated to Ste. Genevieve. > > Carol Rogers > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message