Thanks for the reply. Just looking at some of your names/families: Anna Maria Fritsch m Mathias Hurst. Mathias Hurst was the father of Mathias Hurst who m Anna Maria Basler, whose parents were Nicolaus Basler and Anna Maria May. Mathias and Helena were the parents of Helena Hurst who married Franz Mathaus Greminger. They were the parents of Henry Greminger who married Johanna Basler. John Greminger was the grandfather of my grandfather, Nicholas George Greminger. Many of my lines married into or married others who were related to the Geggs. Martin Worter married Maria Magdalena Damm and had a son , Martin. Martin married Maria Anna Schaub and had: Anna Maria, Francisca, Helena, Michael, Joannes George, Elisabeth, Joannes Baptist. I work from the original records. It is alweays possible that a child may be missing, or that I failed to see them. I descend from Anna Maria who married Jacob Rubi. He was a son of Martin Rubi and Anna Maria Stellwog. Theresia Rubi, d/o Jacob and Anna Maria married Andrea Isenmann. Andrea Isenmann was a son of Martin Isenmann who was a s/o of Jacon Isenmann. Martin married Anna Maria Stutz who was a d/o Joannes Michael Stutz and Anna Barbara Worter. Andrea Isenmann and Therersia Rubi had John Baptist Isenmann, who married Mary Ann Littenecker. They had Joseph Eisenmann who was the father of my grandfather's grandfather's wife, Mary Ann Eisenmann. The Eisenmann's, Gegg's, Brischle's, Gremmingers, Litterst's, Jokerst's, etc...many of these people are either directly related or distantly related, or in some cases, closely related. John Krussel has done a wonderful job with his research. I think I remember the only thing we are not in the same mind about is my grandfather's mother, Mary Ann Eisenmann. I have the family records, pictures, letters, grandpa's stuff, that says she was Mary Ann. I don't know where the misstep was and haven't looked for it, or the reason for it. I knew relatives that knew her when they visited Evansville, Indiana, where grandpa and grandma lived. I have visited the relatives before they passed away in Windthorst, and haven't a clue where the mistake was made - or if there was a reason for the mistake to be made. It may have been a misstep by the person writing down the record. I do know that Mary Ann's brother, Frank, did not marry but went with his sister, Mary Ann, and helped her out with the kids. I have a picture of them together in Texas. It seems her husband was something of a philanderer. I hope lightening does not strike me for that one. I was fortunate to have had this interest from the time I could walk because I have described my Uncle Anton, grandma's mother's brother when I saw him at a family gathering, with music on the steps of a porch, in the country, when I was under two years old - he died when I was two years of age. My mother was stunned that I remembered that particular gathering because she had almost forgotten it. I repeatedly questioned the relationships of various relatives and started writing down things when I was a grade schooler. I interviewed the grandchildren of the immigrants of my grandmother's family when I was in my teens. Go figure. I am thankful that I had this curiosity. Jeanne Bornefeld Carol Rogers wrote: > Thanks, Jeanne. The Haus was an error on my part, and actually a very old > one that I can't seem to break the habit. In the familienbuch, he is listed > as Johann Jakob, which I know like Hans is the same as Johannes (and our > Americanized "John"). But the Bessinger and Hermann were ones I just > wasn't sure of, AND the original records are even worse than the > familienbuch pages! With more time and searching out other records with the > same names, however, I probably would have been able to figure them out. I > even have Hermann and/or Herman in my database many times over! However, > looking at the copy of the the familienbuch page that I now hold, the first > letter looks more like an S to me - even if Hermann makes more sense. I say > this because there is only a "bottom loop". > > Honestly, though, I have very little experience with reading these Hofweier > records since my Gegg line was already on John Krussel and others' internet > sites when I first started doing genealogy. As you know, it is much easier > to proof read a translated record than reading it from the start! Besides, > if you work from more recent individuals on backwards, it is much easier to > figure out the names as you already know the current day spelling. > > My great, great grandmother was Maria Albertina Gegg who's 2nd husband was > George Fritsch. Her parents were Joseph Gegg and Josephine Woerter. > Besides the Gegg and Woerter surnames, I have very few from Hofweier (other > than a stray individual here or there). I remember having some e-mail > exchanges with you several years ago regarding the Fischer's in Hofweier; > but I was never able to connect them to "my" Fischer line from Windschläg. > So I'm not too sure if we have as many connecting ancestors as one might > think. Josephine Woerter's paternal grandmother was Maria Anna Schaub from > the Niederschopfheim line. As of yet, I've not found my more recent > Mauritius Schaub from Windschläg (who's granddaughter married into my > Windschläg's Fischer line) in either Hofweier or Niederschopfheim. > Mauritius/Mauritz was mg. to Theresia Harder (?Harter) with parents, Joannes > Georg Schaub and Christina Ritzmann. I never have figured out the town > Mauritius was from - ?Ridan. > > Okay, so mud on my face for messing up those surnames! Hopefully the next > search will prove to be more accurate. Thank you again, Jeanne, for your > input on this. > > Carol > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Jeanne M. > Bornefeld > Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:47 AM > To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier > > > Hello, I noticed your messages and thought I may be able to help a > little. The name you have with a question mark is "Bissinger". My > ancestor Joannes Jacob Isenmann b ca 1655 and m ca 1673 Hofweier married > Margaretha Bissinger. > > I have been very fortunate to have a picture of Linus Brischle, whom I > have not been able to pin down in original records in Waltersweier or > Weier, Germany. He did not immigrate, but his daughter, Sophia, did as > did his brother, Vincent, and his family. I have found lots of other > ones there, though. > > I should do some more research on the Guethles and take them further > back. I am sure Carol, Wendelin and I are related over and over again > through many lines. > > The "Haus" Jacob is probably Hans, short for Joannes. I am at a loss, > without the records, to imagine what "Sermann" would be. > > I hope I have not bothered either of you. Jeanne > > Carol Rogers wrote: > >> Hello Wendelin, >> >> Unfortunately, I under estimated the time for what this search would take >> and spent several hours at the public library doing other research before >> stopping at the FHC to look at the Guetle records. >> >> I did find the two Güthle marriages in Niederschopfheim that you referred >> to. As well, I found the "Gietli" page in the Familienbuch in Hofweier >> films. However, some of these earlier Hofweier records are extremely hard >> to read as the letters are tiny and messy. Plus, the writing is somewhat >> blurred, making it hard to get copies in order to magnify the script. >> >> We are fortunate to have a familienbuch for Hofweier as the inner part of >> some of the pages from the original records are folded into the book >> binding - cutting off some of the script. Plus, there are missing years >> from 1644 to 16 Nov 1669. >> >> Children of Joh. Friedrich and Anna Maria ?Biffinger >> >> 1) Friedrich* >> 2) Anna Maria* >> 3) Barbara b. 25.4.1672 >> >> *I searched the records from 16 November 1669 through 25 Apr 1672, but >> > found > >> nothing for either Friedrich or Anna Maria. However, with Friedrich >> > married > >> in 1684, he was probably born before 1665. >> >> Children of Friedrich and Maria nee ?Sermann >> >> 1) Maria b. 11.08.1685 >> 2) Haus Jacob b. 21.07.1687 >> 3) Maria Ursula b. 11.09.1695 >> 4) Joannes b. 24.06.1697 * >> >> *(The original record looks like a "24" vs. the "14" that appears in the >> familienbuch.) >> >> I'll have to finish the other marriages/children next visit as I ran out >> > of > >> time. Also, I hope to find some other records with clearer spelling of >> > the > >> spouses' surnames. >> >> Carol >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Wendelin >> Irslinger >> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2008 9:49 AM >> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier >> >> >> Hello Carol, >> >> do you still offer lookups for the parish records of Hofweier? >> >> I recognized a new familyname from Hofweier as ancestor. >> Anna Maria Giethle (Gietle), daughter of the deceased Friedrich Giethle >> from Hofweier, married oo 12.01.1739 in Niederschopfheim Jakob Ehret >> >> Seems she had a sister who also married in Niederschopfheim: >> Regina Giethle (Gietle) oo 15.01.1742 in Niederschopfheim Adam Brüstle >> >> I have an index of the Familienbuch Hofweier which shows the name as >> Gietli on page 194. I hope it's the name I am looking for. >> >> I assume the surname could be written as Gietle, Gütle and it seems >> also Gietli. >> >> Carol, if you have a little bit time, can you please look for Friedrich >> G. and his family? >> >> Thanks, >> Wendelin >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hello Jeanne, Just reading your posting on the List and see that the surname May comes into your Tree. Wonder if Anna Maria May had any relatives named Appolonia May and Barbara May. (1700's). they have been elusive. Just thought I'd ask as you never know when the missing puzzle piece will be revealed. :-) Best of luck in your research.... Pat Zipf ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeanne M. Bornefeld" <> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2008 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Gietle from Hofweier > Thanks for the reply. Just looking at some of your names/families: Anna > Maria Fritsch m Mathias Hurst. Mathias Hurst was the father of Mathias > Hurst who m Anna Maria Basler, whose parents were Nicolaus Basler and Anna > Maria May. Mathias and Helena were the parents of Helena Hurst who married > Franz Mathaus Greminger. They were the parents of Henry Greminger who > married Johanna Basler. John Greminger was the grandfather of my > grandfather, Nicholas George Greminger. > > Many of my lines married into or married others who were related to the > Geggs. > > Martin Worter married Maria Magdalena Damm and had a son , Martin. Martin > married Maria Anna Schaub and had: Anna Maria, Francisca, Helena, Michael, > Joannes George, Elisabeth, Joannes Baptist. I work from the original > records. It is alweays possible that a child may be missing, or that I > failed to see them. I descend from Anna Maria who married Jacob Rubi. He > was a son of Martin Rubi and Anna Maria Stellwog. Theresia Rubi, d/o Jacob > and Anna Maria married Andrea Isenmann. Andrea Isenmann was a son of > Martin Isenmann who was a s/o of Jacon Isenmann. Martin married Anna Maria > Stutz who was a d/o Joannes Michael Stutz and Anna Barbara Worter. > > Andrea Isenmann and Therersia Rubi had John Baptist Isenmann, who married > Mary Ann Littenecker. They had Joseph Eisenmann who was the father of my > grandfather's grandfather's wife, Mary Ann Eisenmann. > > The Eisenmann's, Gegg's, Brischle's, Gremmingers, Litterst's, Jokerst's, > etc...many of these people are either directly related or distantly > related, or in some cases, closely related. > > John Krussel has done a wonderful job with his research. I think I > remember the only thing we are not in the same mind about is my > grandfather's mother, Mary Ann Eisenmann. I have the family records, > pictures, letters, grandpa's stuff, that says she was Mary Ann. I don't > know where the misstep was and haven't looked for it, or the reason for > it. I knew relatives that knew her when they visited Evansville, Indiana, > where grandpa and grandma lived. I have visited the relatives before they > passed away in Windthorst, and haven't a clue where the mistake was made - > or if there was a reason for the mistake to be made. It may have been a > misstep by the person writing down the record. I do know that Mary Ann's > brother, Frank, did not marry but went with his sister, Mary Ann, and > helped her out with the kids. I have a picture of them together in Texas. > It seems her husband was something of a philanderer. I hope lightening > does not strike me for that one. > > I was fortunate to have had this interest from the time I could walk > because I have described my Uncle Anton, grandma's mother's brother when I > saw him at a family gathering, with music on the steps of a porch, in the > country, when I was under two years old - he died when I was two years of > age. My mother was stunned that I remembered that particular gathering > because she had almost forgotten it. I repeatedly questioned the > relationships of various relatives and started writing down things when I > was a grade schooler. I interviewed the grandchildren of the immigrants of > my grandmother's family when I was in my teens. Go figure. I am thankful > that I had this curiosity. > > Jeanne Bornefeld > > > > >>>>