I hadn't really considered that viewpoint. I have used the LDS placenames thinking they were correct for the time period in question. I have wanted to use the location names that were correct at the time my ancestors lived there, but had not considered that it might confuse others. I will make sure to add the proper notes letting people know that the placenames are as of the dates in question. I will also now have to go back and validate all my placenames so they are correct for the time period. I think I'll also, find the current names and put them in some kind of locater appendix. Thanks for the info DJ, you always have such wonderfully useful info. Brian On Sat, July 19, 2008 3:18 pm, djweber wrote: > Darrel, > > I am not trying to suggest that you must use some sort of town > identification for your ancestor. Many people use the incorrect LDS > identification and they are happy with their listing. Prior to the > establishment of the Grand Duchy the area of Baden on a map appeared > almost

Brian, I know that my listings of ownerships of the towns which I have been searching are not comlete, exact or correct but I try to be consistent so that I may stay satisfied. I don't care about Kreis because I am certain I would never be correct in knowing when which Kreis was correct for my town. I never would use the LDS listing but then while I am pleased that they have filmed so many town Church Registers, I have found so many horrible and major errors in the IGI and its akin records, I often shudder when I think of the LDS published information. Most of my searching has been for that Sur/Saur/Sauer family from Önsbach, Urloffen and Zusenhofen and for Önsbach, I use a time line of: January 1, 1556....Baden area, Landvogtei Ortenau, Vorderösterreich July 1, 1701....Margraviate of Baden-Baden October 22, 1771....Baden area, Landvogtei Ortenau, Vorderösterreich January 1, 1802....Duchy of Modena October 15, 1803....Duchy of Modena-Breisgau December 26, 1805...Margraviate of Baden August 13, 1806....Grand Duchy of Baden July 26, 1866...Grand Duchy of Baden, South German Federation January 18, 1871...Grand Duchy of Baden, German Empire Needless to say, I need to be careful as neighboring, very close towns where part of the family moved as a result of marriages were not in the Habsburg territory but in the Margraviate of Baden-Baden or in the Bistum Straßburg; boundaries sort of gerrymandered among the lands between the towns. For my search in Welschensteinach and its neighboring towns, I use as a time line: Before December 10, 1716, Obervogteiamt Haslach, Herrschaft Kinzigtal, Grafschaft Fürstenberg (Baden Area) As of December 10, 1716, Obervogteiamt Haslach, Herrschaft Kinzigtal, Fürstentum Fürstenberg (Baden Area) August 13, 1806, Grand Duchy of Baden July 26, 1866...Grand Duchy of Baden, South German Federation January 18, 1871...Grand Duchy of Baden, German Empire If I am wrong, I feel I am no worse that many other family genealogists but I have within me the thought that I tried. There also is the 1835 Zollverein but I consider that as more of a trade alliance rather than a political alliance so I do not count it in my time lines. It is still pretty much as to what you want to do and what you want to do with your genealogical information. Mine is for my own "amusement" so if I am wrong, in a sense, who cares? djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <brian@amason.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Gutach >I hadn't really considered that viewpoint. > I have used the LDS placenames thinking they were correct for the time > period in question. I have wanted to use the location names that were > correct at the time my ancestors lived there, but had not considered that > it might confuse others. I will make sure to add the proper notes letting > people know that the placenames are as of the dates in question. I will > also now have to go back and validate all my placenames so they are > correct for the time period. I think I'll also, find the current names and > put them in some kind of locater appendix. Thanks for the info DJ, you > always have such wonderfully useful info. > > Brian > >

dj: (and I'm sure we all live in hope to someday learn what are the names behind those initials) Mahlberg's site is at http://www.mahlberg.de/<http://www.mahlberg.de/> and on that homepage, there is a "Geschichte der Stadt Mahlberg" found by clicking on "geschichte mahlberg" on the "willkommen" line of the pulldown menus on the left margin of the homepage. You've probalbly already found this, but in case not, here goes. Tom Fitzsimmons, Bismarck, North Dakota.

Tom, My thanks for Mahlberg. I'll still use Wendelin's town page first for my information on any town as his information is directed to our specific needs, < http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de > but so far I have gathered a small list of Town pages. That start includes: Achern < http://www.achern.de/ > Appenweier < http://www.appenweier.de/ > Bottenau < http://www.oberkirch.de/bottenau/ > Durbach < http://www.durbach.de/ > Fautenbach < http://www.fautenbach.de/ > Gutach < http://www.gutach-schwarzwald.de/frameset.php > Grossweier < http://grossweier.fricar.de/index.html > Hohberg < http://www.hohberg.de/content/show/de_DE > Kehl < http://www.kehl.de/ > Mahlberg < http://www.mahlberg.de/ > Nussbach < http://www.oberkirch.de/nussbach/ > Oberkirch < http://www.oberkirch.de/ > Oedsbach < http://www.oberkirch.de/oedsbach/ > Oensbach < http://www.oensbach.de/ > Offenburg < http://www.offenburg.de/ > Rheinau < http://www.rheinau.de/ . Ringelbach < http://www.oberkirch.de/ringelbach/ > Stadelhofen < http://www.stadelhofen.de/ > Steinach < http://www.steinach.de/ > Tiergarten < http://www.oberkirch.de/tiergarten/ > Wagshurst < http://www.achern.de/geschichte/ortschaften/wa/index.htm > Zusenhofen < http://www.zusenhofen.de/ > djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Fitzsimmons" <tjjfitz@msn.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Gutach > dj: (and I'm sure we all live in hope to someday learn what are the names > behind those initials) > > Mahlberg's site is at http://www.mahlberg.de/<http://www.mahlberg.de/> and > on that homepage, there is a "Geschichte der Stadt Mahlberg" found by > clicking on "geschichte mahlberg" on the "willkommen" line of the pulldown > menus on the left margin of the homepage. You've probalbly already found > this, but in case not, here goes. > > Tom Fitzsimmons, > Bismarck, North Dakota.