Wow! Danke schön, Wendelin for replying on the list! I connect with the Gänshirt line. I remembered I had a Kippenheim line, but I hadn't researched this line in such a long time that I couldn't remember which family came from Kippenheim. My great-great-great grandmother, Helena Tascher and three of her brothers were born and raised in Friesenheim, and immigrated to the United States in the 1800s. Their connection to the Gänshirt line in Kippenheim is as follows (as I currently have it -- I haven't added Wendelin's information from the Kippenheim Ortssippenbuch -- most of the information is from Ortssippenbuch Friesenheim): Ancestors of Helena Tascher Generation No. 1 1. Helena Tascher, born 10 Aug 1837 in Friesenheim; died 18 Jun 1918 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois. She was the daughter of 2. Andreas Tascher and 3. Katharina Gänshirt. She married (1) Christian A. Merkle 19 Jun 1858 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois. He was born 20 Dec 1826 in Tomerdingen, Baden-Württemberg, Germany, and died 10 Jan 1911 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois. He was the son of Michael Merkle and Barbara Sailer. More About Christian A. Merkle: Immigrated: 26 May 1854, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on the Manchester Generation No. 2 2. Andreas Tascher, born 14 Jul 1793 in Friesenheim; died 20 Apr 1853 in Friesenheim. He was the son of 4. Andreas Tascher and 5. Salome Bähr. He married 3. Katharina Gänshirt 13 Jul 1830 in Friesenheim. 3. Katharina Gänshirt, born 09 Oct 1804 in Friesenheim; died 01 May 1847 in Friesenheim. She was the daughter of 6. Johann Gänshirt and 7. Katharina Herzog. Children of Andreas Tascher and Katharina Gänshirt are: i. Georg Tascher, born 10 Apr 1831 in Friesenheim; died in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois; married Magdalena Müller 28 Dec 1863 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois. ii. Elisabeth Tascher, born 10 Feb 1833 in Friesenheim; died 23 Feb 1833 in Friesenheim. iii. Andreas Tascher IV, born 27 Jan 1834 in Friesenheim; died 07 Aug 1916 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois; married (1) Eliza Marti 28 Jul 1873 in Iroquois County, Illinois; born in Switzerland; died Jan 1875; married (2) Isabella F. Sims 09 Dec 1875 in Iroquois County, Illinois; born in Augusta County, Virginia. iv. Christian Friedrich Tascher, born 14 Nov 1835 in Friesenheim; died 25 Mar 1918 in Ashkum, Iroquois, Illinois; married Maria Hammerle 18 Feb 1868 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois; born Abt. 1843 in Württemberg, Germany; died 05 Jul 1919 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois. v. Helena Tascher, born 10 Aug 1837 in Friesenheim; died 18 Jun 1918 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois; married Christian A. Merkle 19 Jun 1858 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois. vi. Karolina Tascher, born 19 Dec 1839 in Friesenheim; married Jacob Blohorn 1860 in Lahr, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. vii. Luise Tascher, born 09 Apr 1843 in Friesenheim; died 08 Mar 1916 in Schnönau/Chemnitz, Germany; married David Sohn 06 Dec 1866 in Friesenheim; born 01 Nov 1841 in Friesenheim; died 25 Jan 1900 in Friesenheim. viii. Jakob Tascher, born 13 Sep 1845 in Friesenheim; died 29 Sep 1903 in Friesenheim; married Katharina Erb 31 Jan 1870 in Friesenheim; born 23 Jun 1848 in Friesenheim; died 25 Jun 1914 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 3 6. Johann Gänshirt, born 11 Feb 1777 in Friesenheim; died 06 Jul 1844 in Friesenheim. He was the son of 12. Simon Gänshirt and 13. Katharina Braun. He married 7. Katharina Herzog 09 Jan 1804 in Friesenheim. 7. Katharina Herzog, born 11 Oct 1786; died 08 Feb 1852 in Friesenheim. She was the daughter of 14. Jakob Herzog and 15. Magdalena Engel. Children of Johann Gänshirt and Katharina Herzog are: i. Katharina Gänshirt, born 09 Oct 1804 in Friesenheim; died 01 May 1847 in Friesenheim; married Andreas Tascher 13 Jul 1830 in Friesenheim. ii. Johann Gänshirt, born 20 May 1807 in Friesenheim; died 26 Jul 1811 in Friesenheim. iii. Johann Gänshirt, born 07 Feb 1814 in Friesenheim; married Aus 1660. iv. Simon Gänshirt, born 19 Oct 1816 in Friesenheim; died 10 Mar 1848 in Friesenheim. v. Magdalena Gänshirt, born 19 May 1820 in Friesenheim; married Johannes Erb; born 17 Feb 1822 in Friesenheim; died 08 Jun 1900 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 4 12. Simon Gänshirt, born 03 Jan 1725 in Kippenheim, Germany; died 06 Mar 1790 in Friesenheim. He was the son of 24. Simon Gänshirt and 25. Walpurgis Schmidt. He married 13. Katharina Braun 08 May 1769 in Friesenheim. 13. Katharina Braun, born 16 Feb 1746 in Friesenheim; died 17 Aug 1784 in Friesenheim. She was the daughter of 26. Johann Georg Braun and 27. Magdalena Bähr. Child of Simon Gänshirt and Katharina Braun is: i. Johann Gänshirt, born 11 Feb 1777 in Friesenheim; died 06 Jul 1844 in Friesenheim; married Katharina Herzog 09 Jan 1804 in Friesenheim. 14. Jakob Herzog He married 15. Magdalena Engel. 15. Magdalena Engel Child of Jakob Herzog and Magdalena Engel is: i. Katharina Herzog, born 11 Oct 1786; died 08 Feb 1852 in Friesenheim; married Johann Gänshirt 09 Jan 1804 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 5 24. Simon Gänshirt, born 30 Oct 1687 in Mahlberg, Germany. He was the son of 48. Martin Gänshirt and 49. Barbara Holderer. He married 25. Walpurgis Schmidt. 25. Walpurgis Schmidt Child of Simon Gänshirt and Walpurgis Schmidt is: i. Simon Gänshirt, born 03 Jan 1725 in Kippenheim, Germany; died 06 Mar 1790 in Friesenheim; married Katharina Braun 08 May 1769 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 6 48. Martin Gänshirt He married 49. Barbara Holderer 25 Oct 1685. 49. Barbara Holderer, born 20 Mar 1665 in Mahlberg, Baden-Württemberg, Germany; died 20 Oct 1733 in Mahlberg, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. She was the daughter of 98. Martin Holderer and 99. Ursula Schätzlin. Child of Martin Gänshirt and Barbara Holderer is: i. Simon Gänshirt, born 30 Oct 1687 in Mahlberg, Germany; married Walpurgis Schmidt. http://www.myspace.com/brendahebert http://daSinga.crazyguyonabike.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@babbalu.com> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Cc: donnmimi@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:46:24 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz Hello Mimi, please let me know if I have forgotten a name. The earliest Stulz ancestor of Johann Georg Stulz baron of Ortenberg has the number 5542 and yours has the number 5548 so we don't know how they were related. 5564 oo 29.7.1748 Matthias Stultz <oo I see 5555> Maria Magdalena Schiener (Schiner, Schöner, Schüner) <daughter of Abraham Sch.>, * about 1721, + 8.2.1790 Protestant 5 children: Andreas 1.5.1749, + 12.5.1749 Johannes <5588> Andreas <5589> Michael 3.10.1755, + 15.8.1764 Friedrich 21.1.1758, + 31.1.1762 5555 oo Matthias Stultz <from 5548; oo II see 5564>, farmer, * (28.12.1704), + 2.9.1786 Barbara Holderer (Holder), + 21.2.1748 Protestant 6 children: Anna Maria 7.5.1730 ("geboren in der 40. Wochen nach der Copulation"), + 17.5.1730 Johann Jacob <5570> Johann 15.3.1733 Matthias <5572> A boy 19.4.1740, + 25.4.1740 Barbara <6076> 5548 oo Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" Anna Barbara Moser (Moßer) Catholic 5 children: Matthias <5555, 5564> Benedict <5556, 5557> Franz Joseph 28.12.1703, + 18.3.1759, unmarried miller Maria Anna 18.4.1713 Franz Carl <5553> 1377 oo Martin Gänßhirt <from 1370; oo II see 1380>, farmer, * about 1727, + 29.5.1799 Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; see also 4905>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Protestant 5 children: Anna Maria <5589> Elisabetha 23.12.1758 Barbara <4770> Maria Magdalena <4771> Catharina <3497> 1380 oo 7.11.1768 Martin Gänßhirt <oo I see 1377> Maria Elisabetha Schillinger <from 4769>, * 8.5.1741, + 12.2.1814 Protestant 5 children: Simon 14.9.1769, + 25.1.1772 Ursula 30.5.1772, + 19.4.1775 Susanna <6338> Johann Georg <1386> Ursula 14.1.1779 1370 oo 14.9.1720 Simon Gänßhirt <son of Martin G., in Mahlberg, and of Barbara nee Holderer, see OSB Mahlberg-Orschweier 780>, farmer in Kippenheim, * Mahlberg 30.10.1687 Walburgis Schmidt <oo I see 3576>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 9 children: Johannes 1721 Barbara 1723 Simon 9.1.1725 Elisabetha 14.11.1726 Martin <1877, 1380> Elisabetha 1729 Maria Magdalena <5764> Johann Georg <1163> Maria Magdalena 8.3.1735 3576 oo Hans Georg Leppert, master Walpurg Schmidt <oo II 1370>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 2 children: Andreas <3584> Anna Ursula 26.11.1719 4901 oo Andreas Schmidt, citizen in Kippenheim, + 24.1.1766 Catharina Kromer, + 23.12.1770 Catholic 6 children: Maria Anna <4905, 1877> Ursula <5851> Anna Margaretha 6.5.1731 Johann Georg 6.4.1737 Johann Jacob <4916> Ottilia 8.8.1743 4905 Martin Unterstock, citizen in Ostheim in Alsace, <oo ...> Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; oo see 1777>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Catholic 1 child: Catharina + 24.3.1754 (5 weeks old) Mahlberg: --------- 780 oo 25.10.1685 Martin Gänßhirt, in Mahlberg Barbara Holderer <from 1291>, * 20.3.1665, + 20.10.1733 Protestant 6 children: Ursula <2501> Simon 30.10.1687 Anna Maria 23.1.1691 Martin <786> Anna Barbara 15...1701 Hans Georg 1291 oo Martin Holderer, citizen in Mahlberg Ursula Schätzlin Protestant 1 child: Barbara <780> - Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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