Wendelin, I am so pleased to let you know I discovered which of the families listed below is mine! It is the second family ... Andreas Stulz m. Anna Maria Gänßhirt I found out Andreas (the son) left Kippenheim and went to Seltz, Alsace across the Rhine River. There I found some most helpful people who sent me records for this family [ including his parents names - Andre Stulz and Anna Maria Gänßhirt.] If these two Andreas are cousins does it mean that Johannes and Andreas are brothers? - Mimi From: Wendelin Irslinger <wenir@icmail.net> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 19:47:49 +0100 Mimi, there are 2 Andreas Stulz who were born in Kippenheim in 1782. They were cousins and it's unkown for both (at least for the writer of the book) when and where they died. 5588 oo 1.2.1779 Johannes Stulz <from 5564>, daylaborer, * 19.6.1750, + 25.5.1809 Ursula Klett <from 3117>, * 23.6.1759, + 4.4.1814 Protestant Children: Georg <5608>, farmer and daylaborer, * 6.12.1779, + 29.9.1849, 6 children Andreas, * 15.2.1782 Maria Magdalena, * 17.11.1784, + 15.2.1855, unmarried Johannes <5617>, master tailor, * 20.6.1787, + 12.8.1838, 3 children Friedrich, * 10.1.1791, + 13.2.1791 Christian <5627>, daylaborer, * 23.12.1792, date of death unkown (did he move or emigrate?), 7 children Michael, * 29.9.1795, + 7.3.1817,unmarried, tailor Ursula, * 21.10.1800, + 15.8.1843, unmarried 5589 oo 11.2.1782 Andreas Stulz <from 5564>, farmer and daylaborer, * 23.2.1753, + 29.2.1824 Anna Maria Gänßhirt <from 1377>, * 19.9.1756, + 31.12.1813 Protestant Children: Andreas, * 25.11.1782 Georg, 9.8.1785, + 19.8.1785 Johann Martin, * 23.9.1786, date of death unkown Johann Georg <5620>, farmer, * 18.8.1789, + 8.12.1863, 4 children Catharina <5618>, * 21.12.1791, + 23.11.1860 Anna Maria <3147>, * 2.3.1795, + 1.2.1864 Michael, * 17.10.1798, + 26.2.1799 Ursula, * 3.11.1800, + Mahlberg 8.3.1842 - Wendelin