Thank you so much, Wendelin. I look forward to hearing from you. Of course I am interested in whatever there is, including siblings. Hope it's not too much trouble. I appreciate it greatly. Mimi On Apr 5, 2008, at 12:03 AM, deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > congratulations that you've found your ancestors. Yes, Johannes and > Andreas were brothers. I assume you would like to know the ancestors > of them? Maybe next or one week later I have the chance to view the > kinship book of Kippenheim. > > - Wendelin >

Hello Mimi, please let me know if I have forgotten a name. The earliest Stulz ancestor of Johann Georg Stulz baron of Ortenberg has the number 5542 and yours has the number 5548 so we don't know how they were related. 5564 oo 29.7.1748 Matthias Stultz <oo I see 5555> Maria Magdalena Schiener (Schiner, Schöner, Schüner) <daughter of Abraham Sch.>, * about 1721, + 8.2.1790 Protestant 5 children: Andreas 1.5.1749, + 12.5.1749 Johannes <5588> Andreas <5589> Michael 3.10.1755, + 15.8.1764 Friedrich 21.1.1758, + 31.1.1762 5555 oo Matthias Stultz <from 5548; oo II see 5564>, farmer, * (28.12.1704), + 2.9.1786 Barbara Holderer (Holder), + 21.2.1748 Protestant 6 children: Anna Maria 7.5.1730 ("geboren in der 40. Wochen nach der Copulation"), + 17.5.1730 Johann Jacob <5570> Johann 15.3.1733 Matthias <5572> A boy 19.4.1740, + 25.4.1740 Barbara <6076> 5548 oo Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" Anna Barbara Moser (Moßer) Catholic 5 children: Matthias <5555, 5564> Benedict <5556, 5557> Franz Joseph 28.12.1703, + 18.3.1759, unmarried miller Maria Anna 18.4.1713 Franz Carl <5553> 1377 oo Martin Gänßhirt <from 1370; oo II see 1380>, farmer, * about 1727, + 29.5.1799 Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; see also 4905>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Protestant 5 children: Anna Maria <5589> Elisabetha 23.12.1758 Barbara <4770> Maria Magdalena <4771> Catharina <3497> 1380 oo 7.11.1768 Martin Gänßhirt <oo I see 1377> Maria Elisabetha Schillinger <from 4769>, * 8.5.1741, + 12.2.1814 Protestant 5 children: Simon 14.9.1769, + 25.1.1772 Ursula 30.5.1772, + 19.4.1775 Susanna <6338> Johann Georg <1386> Ursula 14.1.1779 1370 oo 14.9.1720 Simon Gänßhirt <son of Martin G., in Mahlberg, and of Barbara nee Holderer, see OSB Mahlberg-Orschweier 780>, farmer in Kippenheim, * Mahlberg 30.10.1687 Walburgis Schmidt <oo I see 3576>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 9 children: Johannes 1721 Barbara 1723 Simon 9.1.1725 Elisabetha 14.11.1726 Martin <1877, 1380> Elisabetha 1729 Maria Magdalena <5764> Johann Georg <1163> Maria Magdalena 8.3.1735 3576 oo Hans Georg Leppert, master Walpurg Schmidt <oo II 1370>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 2 children: Andreas <3584> Anna Ursula 26.11.1719 4901 oo Andreas Schmidt, citizen in Kippenheim, + 24.1.1766 Catharina Kromer, + 23.12.1770 Catholic 6 children: Maria Anna <4905, 1877> Ursula <5851> Anna Margaretha 6.5.1731 Johann Georg 6.4.1737 Johann Jacob <4916> Ottilia 8.8.1743 4905 Martin Unterstock, citizen in Ostheim in Alsace, <oo ...> Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; oo see 1777>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Catholic 1 child: Catharina + 24.3.1754 (5 weeks old) Mahlberg: --------- 780 oo 25.10.1685 Martin Gänßhirt, in Mahlberg Barbara Holderer <from 1291>, * 20.3.1665, + 20.10.1733 Protestant 6 children: Ursula <2501> Simon 30.10.1687 Anna Maria 23.1.1691 Martin <786> Anna Barbara 15...1701 Hans Georg 1291 oo Martin Holderer, citizen in Mahlberg Ursula Schätzlin Protestant 1 child: Barbara <780> - Wendelin