Wendelin, How can I be so bold as to ask for anything more after you have helped me so much? I have attempted to order the Kinship book for Kippeheim from my local FHC and it is 'restricted'. The people at the library did not know why. I am really flustered as to what to do next, except to ask, once again for your assistance. I found an on line family tree at Ancestry.com and left a message for the person who posted it, but have not heard back from them. Their tree is unsourced. They have the following information that looks like it could be 'close' to mine. Adam Blasius Stulz b. 1677 Kippeheim (no further information) son of: Johannes Martin Stulz b. abt 1642, of Kippeheim m. 1) Anna Maria Kirchner b. 1645 d. 1680 children: Conrad (d. 1761), m. Anna Maria Weber Johann Martin, m. Anna Maria Brunner Adam Blasius Maria Ursula (1669-1704), m. Johann Michael Elison m. 2) Agatha Reinecker b. 1656 children: Johann Michael (d. 1756) m. Magdalena Legler Johann Michael (1682-1684) Anna Maria (1686-) Johann Georg (1691-) Franz Carl (1696-) m. Anna Maria Krechtler Maria Francisca (1697-) Would it be possible for you to send me the Johann Martin (5542,5546) line? It appears both Johann Georg (Baron of Ortenberg) and Johann (of 5583) the 'other' tailor in England are from this same line. It is just so difficult for me to let 150 years of family lore (the "Uncle" story) go without trying to investigate just a little further and try to make a connection. I completely understand if you say no. I wish there was some way I could reciprocate ........ Once again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your help.

Mimi: Johannes Martin Stulz (Catholic) married 27.12.1666 in Kippenheim Anna Maria Kirschner (Catholic) (+ 30.9.1680) - here parents were Conrad Kirschner, Gerichtsmann, and Anna Maria Bechtle. It is said that Johannes Martin Stulz went with his family to Schlettstadt (Alsace) End of the 18. century because of the war. There children were: Adam Blasius, butcher and host in Ochsen, came back to Kippenheim about 1704. Married Anna Barbara Moser about 1704. Maria Ursula (+ 29.4.1704) oo 1697 Kippenheim Johann Michael Elison Hans Conrad, shoemaker, came back to Kippenheim. Married 14.1.1704 Anna Maria Weber. Johannes Martin, daylaborer, came back to Kippenheim. Married 4.2.1715 Anna Maria Baumer. Johannes Martin Stulz, host "zum Bär" later Ochsen, married 2nd 30.6.1681 Agatha Reinecker, daughter of Christoph Reinecker and Margaretha from Appenweier. There children were: Johann Michael Johann Michael, baker, came back to Kippenheim. Married about 1725 Maria Magdalena Legler. Anna Maria, stayed in Alsace. Johann Georg, butcher, stayed in Alsace. He married on 26.4.1718 in Saint Dié with Jeanne Gerard and 22.4.1728 with Ann Grandidier. Franz, stayed in Alsace. Maria Franziska (* 1697), stayed in Alsace. One Stulz who came from Schlettstadt with his wife to Kippenheim was Johann Georg Stulz. I believe that one of his grandson was Dr. Joseph Stulz (* 1872). He was a philosopher and lived some years in the US, wrote a book about the history of USA and died in Peking (China) in 1940. 5542 oo 27.12.1666 Johann Martin Stulz <oo II see 5546>, citizen in Kippenheim, turn Catholic Anna Maria Kirchner (Kirschner, Kürschner) <from 2968>, + 30.9.1680 Catholic 4 children: Adam Blasius 16.9.1667 Maria Ursula <897> Hans Conrad <5551> Johann Martin <5552> 5546 oo 30.6.1681 Johannes Martin Stulz <oo I see 5542>, host "Zum Ochsen" Agatha Reinecker <daughter of Christophorus Reinecker, citizen in Appenweier> Catholic 6 children: Johann Michael 19.6.1682 Johann Michael <5554> Anna Maria 19.6.1686 Johann Georg 20.2.1691 Franciscus 26.2.1696 Maria Francisca 11.5.1697 - Wendelin On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:54:02 -0700 Mimi Stevens <donnmimi@gmail.com> wrote: > Wendelin, > > How can I be so bold as to ask for anything more after > you have helped me so much? > > I have attempted to order the Kinship book for Kippeheim > from my local FHC and it is 'restricted'. The people at > the library did not know why. > > I am really flustered as to what to do next, except to > ask, once again for your assistance. > > I found an on line family tree at Ancestry.com and left a > message for the person who posted it, but have not heard > back from them. Their tree is unsourced. > > They have the following information that looks like it > could be 'close' to mine. > > Adam Blasius Stulz > b. 1677 Kippeheim > (no further information) > > son of: > Johannes Martin Stulz > b. abt 1642, of Kippeheim > m. 1) Anna Maria Kirchner > b. 1645 d. 1680 > children: > Conrad (d. 1761), m. Anna Maria Weber > Johann Martin, m. Anna Maria Brunner > Adam Blasius > Maria Ursula (1669-1704), m. Johann Michael Elison > > m. 2) Agatha Reinecker > b. 1656 > children: > Johann Michael (d. 1756) m. Magdalena Legler > Johann Michael (1682-1684) > Anna Maria (1686-) > Johann Georg (1691-) > Franz Carl (1696-) m. Anna Maria Krechtler > Maria Francisca (1697-) > > Would it be possible for you to send me the Johann Martin > (5542,5546) line? It appears both Johann Georg (Baron of Ortenberg) > and Johann (of 5583) the 'other' tailor in England are from this same > line. It is just so difficult for me to let 150 years of family lore > (the "Uncle" story) go without trying to investigate just a little > further and try to > make a connection. > > I completely understand if you say no. > > I wish there was some way I could reciprocate ........ > > Once again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your help.