Hello Mimi, I, too, attempted to order the film for the Kippenheim book from the LDS Family history center near me. I was told the same thing. It isn't the Kippenheim book....but something else that is also on the same film reel....so that is why it can't be sent. I was so disappointed and upset. That is why Wendelin's help is so invaluable to us both. It means so much. I wish only good things for Wendelin too. He is sooooo very very kind to give of himself. I know that you and I appreciate it more than we can say and that 'thanks' doesn't seem anywhere near enough for the help he offers. Wishing you every success in your searches.... All the best, "Cousin?" Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mimi Stevens" <donnmimi@gmail.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz > Wendelin, > > How can I be so bold as to ask for anything more after > you have helped me so much? > > I have attempted to order the Kinship book for Kippeheim > from my local FHC and it is 'restricted'. The people at > the library did not know why. > > I am really flustered as to what to do next, except to > ask, once again for your assistance. > > I found an on line family tree at Ancestry.com and left a > message for the person who posted it, but have not heard > back from them. Their tree is unsourced. > > They have the following information that looks like it > could be 'close' to mine. > > Adam Blasius Stulz > b. 1677 Kippeheim > (no further information) > > son of: > Johannes Martin Stulz > b. abt 1642, of Kippeheim > m. 1) Anna Maria Kirchner > b. 1645 d. 1680 > children: > Conrad (d. 1761), m. Anna Maria Weber > Johann Martin, m. Anna Maria Brunner > Adam Blasius > Maria Ursula (1669-1704), m. Johann Michael Elison > > m. 2) Agatha Reinecker > b. 1656 > children: > Johann Michael (d. 1756) m. Magdalena Legler > Johann Michael (1682-1684) > Anna Maria (1686-) > Johann Georg (1691-) > Franz Carl (1696-) m. Anna Maria Krechtler > Maria Francisca (1697-) > > Would it be possible for you to send me the Johann Martin (5542,5546) > line? It appears both Johann Georg (Baron of Ortenberg) and Johann (of > 5583) the 'other' tailor in England are from this same line. > It is just so difficult for me to let 150 years of family lore (the > "Uncle" story) go without trying to investigate just a little further and > try to > make a connection. > > I completely understand if you say no. > > I wish there was some way I could reciprocate ........ > > Once again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your help. > > >