Hello Mimi, > > COULD THESE TWO BE THE SAME PERSON ?????? > 5548 oo > Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" oh yeah seems it is the same person. >> Adam Blasius, butcher and host in Ochsen, came back to Kippenheim >> about >> 1704. Married Anna Barbara Moser about 1704. 16.9.1667 >> I have that additional information from the historical supplement of a newspaper "Der Altvater" Maybe he did marry in Schlettstadt/Sélestat, Alsace? The author of the kinship book couldn't find that information in the parish records. > > What is the difference between Johann and Johannes? Is that like > > John and Johnathan? No difference between Johann and Johannes and they were maybe called Hans. - Wendelin

On Thu, April 24, 2008 12:40 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > > >> > What is the difference between Johann and Johannes? Is that like >> > John and Johnathan? > No difference between Johann and Johannes and they were maybe called > Hans. > > > - Wendelin > I have to disagree with the great and wonderful Wendelin on this point. Everything, I've learned of these two names says they are treated very differently. While they are both "John", one is a special version of John, while the other is a plain ordinary John. Just like any good Conspiracy Theory, Johan(n) persons always, as a rule, are part of a three name naming convention (i.e. Johann Sebastian Bach). Whereas Johannes is never, as a rule, accompanied by a second name (i.e. Johannes Kepler). Of course, rules get broken all the time, but this seems to be a pretty firm rule in at least pre-20th Century Germanic nations. This is only a result of my experience, study and research in German genealogy and Wendelin is far more acquainted with all things German than I, and all things genealogical. I would like to know his reasoning for saying there is no difference though, since it is contrary to everything I ever seen, read, or heard regarding those names. Humbly submitted for your approval, Brian

All of my research proves you correct Brian....one step further. I have always found (with only a couple of exceptions and my tree is over 70,000 and building) Johann to be abbreviated as Hans, and Johannes is Hanss or Hanß. One form is for John the Baptist, the other is for St. John, but I have forgotten which is which. Anyone know? Jäger -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of brian@amason.net Sent: Friday, April 25, 2008 3:06 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz On Thu, April 24, 2008 12:40 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > > >> > What is the difference between Johann and Johannes? Is that like >> > John and Johnathan? > No difference between Johann and Johannes and they were maybe called > Hans. > > > - Wendelin > I have to disagree with the great and wonderful Wendelin on this point. Everything, I've learned of these two names says they are treated very differently. While they are both "John", one is a special version of John, while the other is a plain ordinary John. Just like any good Conspiracy Theory, Johan(n) persons always, as a rule, are part of a three name naming convention (i.e. Johann Sebastian Bach). Whereas Johannes is never, as a rule, accompanied by a second name (i.e. Johannes Kepler). Of course, rules get broken all the time, but this seems to be a pretty firm rule in at least pre-20th Century Germanic nations. This is only a result of my experience, study and research in German genealogy and Wendelin is far more acquainted with all things German than I, and all things genealogical. I would like to know his reasoning for saying there is no difference though, since it is contrary to everything I ever seen, read, or heard regarding those names. Humbly submitted for your approval, Brian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message