Hi Wendelin, Your link, at the bottom of the page of your ortenau.genealogy is outstanding! Wonderful idea and it saves time not to have to go out of what you are reading and find a translation page. You are a technical guru and I thank you! Sue Fingado-Hubbard >I have a question for our members who need and use a translation program >to read webpages in German language. > >On the Ortenau page http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de I included on the >bottom a link to the translation program of Google. I think it offers >translation in English, French and... > >Is this useful or shall I remove it? Or is there a better translation >program?

Hello, I have a question for our members who need and use a translation program to read webpages in German language. On the Ortenau page http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de I included on the bottom a link to the translation program of Google. I think it offers translation in English, French and... Is this useful or shall I remove it? Or is there a better translation program? - Wendelin

This is great...it will make things much easier DH -----Original Message----- From: deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:deu-bad-ortenau-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Wendelin Irslinger Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 2:06 PM To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Subject: [Ortenau] Translation question Hello, I have a question for our members who need and use a translation program to read webpages in German language. On the Ortenau page http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de I included on the bottom a link to the translation program of Google. I think it offers translation in English, French and... Is this useful or shall I remove it? Or is there a better translation program? - Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, it sure saves a lot of thumbing-through the German-English dictionary. Tom Fitzsimmons. German original: Die Breite der Rheinebene in der Ortenau beträgt 10 bis 12 km. In die Niederterrasse hat der Rhein seinen Lauf gegraben. Entlang des Rheins verlief einstmals ein weiterer Fluß, in den Schutter, Kinzig, Rench, Acher, Bühlot (auch Sandbach genannt), Oos, Murg, Alb u.a. flossen und der nach seinen 2 größten Zuflüssen Kinzig-Murg-Rinne genannt wird und bei Hockenheim in den Rhein mündete. Einzelne Abschnitte dieses Flusses bestanden noch in historischer Zeit und wurden von den alamannischen Siedlern ausgespart. Google translation: The width of the Rhine in the Ortenau level is 10 to 12 km. In the Lower Rhine Terrace has dug its run. Along the Rhine was once another river, in the Schutter, Kinzig, Rench, Acher, Bühlot (Sandbach), Oos, Murg, During and after his 2 biggest inflows Kinzig-Murg-Rinne mentioned and at Hockenheim resulted in the Rhine. Individual sections of this river still existed in historical time and has been approved by the alamannischen settlers omitted Babel Fish translation: The width of the Rhine level in the Ortenau amounts to 10 to 12 km. Into the Niederterrasse the Rhine dug its run. Along the Rhine ran once a further river, in the Schutter, Kinzig, Rench, Acher, Buehlot (also sand brook called), Oos, Murg, Alb among other things flowed and after its 2 largest supplies the Kinzig Murg gutter are called and with Hockenheim into the Rhine flowed. Individual sections of this river existed still in historical time and were left blank by the alamannischen settlers

I have found google translation to be the best, most accurate free translator. Some of the free translation websites are not very good and difficult to understand. Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <genealogy@babbalu.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 3:06 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Translation question > Hello, > > I have a question for our members who need and use a translation program > to read webpages in German language. > > On the Ortenau page http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de I included on the > bottom a link to the translation program of Google. I think it offers > translation in English, French and... > > Is this useful or shall I remove it? Or is there a better translation > program? > > - Wendelin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Wendelin, Thank you for the new translator. It is the much better then the one I have been using. I even found my Bihrer name in the town of Wolfach, which I had not noticed before. I am still looking for my Andreas (Andrew) Bihrer Born around 1824 or1831 Thanks again Diane >Hello, > >I have a question for our members who need and use a translation program >to read webpages in German language. > >On the Ortenau page http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de I included on the >bottom a link to the translation program of Google. I think it offers >translation in English, French and... > >Is this useful or shall I remove it? Or is there a better translation >program? > >- Wendelin > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Cool! On Thu, November 29, 2007 2:06 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > Hello, > > I have a question for our members who need and use a translation program > to read webpages in German language. > > On the Ortenau page http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de I included on the > bottom a link to the translation program of Google. I think it offers > translation in English, French and... > > Is this useful or shall I remove it? Or is there a better translation > program? > > - Wendelin > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Brenda: > I just subscribed last night. Thank you, Wendelin for the URL for the > memberpage! I hope it's okay, I put my surname interests on it. yes, it's okay. All members should (an many did) enter their surnames on that page. - Wendelin

Hello Wendelin, You are really doing a great job! Just for my interests sake: do you also have access to the articles in that journal or know where it is available? Best regards, Rudolf > -----Original Message----- > From: Wendelin Irslinger [mailto:genealogy@w3connex.ca] > Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:56 PM > To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Subject: [Ortenau] Update > > Hello, > > another update on the memberpage at ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search/ > > Included on the Ortenau page has been a partial index of "Der > Altvater. > Heimatblätter der Lahrer Zeitung (seit 1934)". The Altvater > (old father, named for a mountain near Lahr) had many > information about history of towns, farms, families... > especially of the former county Lahr. > http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/index.php?n=Literatur.DerAltvater > > - Wendelin > -- > Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@w3connex.ca> > > >

Hello Rudolf, > You are really doing a great job! dankeschön. > Just for my interests sake: do you also have access to the articles > in that journal or know where it is available? Yes, I have access to all the articles which I listed. But I can't upload any scans. I plan to include some more information on the memberpage and other useful information on the Ortenau page. The Altvater has lots of information. Are you interested in sny special article? - Wendelin

Hi! Guten Tag! I just subscribed last night. Thank you, Wendelin for the URL for the memberpage! I hope it's okay, I put my surname interests on it. My great-great-great-grandmother, Helena Tascher and her brothers Georg, Andreas, and Christian all came to the United States in the mid-1800s. Their parents were: Andreas TASCHER (1793-1853) who married Katharina GAENSHIRT (1804-1847) on 13 Jul 1830 in Friesenheim. Andreas' parents were: Andreas TASCHER (s/o Andreas & Magdalena ENGEL) and Salome BAEHR (d/o Martin & Anna Marie ENGEL) Katharina's parents were: Johan GAENSHIRT (s/o Simon & Katharina BRAUN) and Katharina HERZOG (d/o Jakob & Magdalena ENGEL) I am now on MySpace! You can hear me sing at: www.myspace.com/brendahebert and my personal space is at www.myspace.com/brenhebert. Drop by and say hi! ----- Original Message ---- From: Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@w3connex.ca> To: "deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com" <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2007 7:03:48 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Update Hello, more updates on the memberpage at ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/search/ - Reichenbach near Lahr. Fire fighters of the 19th century - Friesenheim (mustering list) 1579 - Schutterzell (mustering list) 1579 Visit the memberpage, click on "Sources" and scroll down to the section "Orte (Towns)". - Reichenbach bei Lahr. Feuerwehrmänner des 19. Jahrhunderts - Friesenheim Musterungsliste 1579 - Schutterzell Musterungsliste 1579 Besuche die Mitgliederseite, klicke auf "Sources" und scrolle abwärts zum Teil "Orte (Towns)". - Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/

Oops, sorry wrong list! Never mind, On Fri, November 23, 2007 10:53 pm, brian@amason.net wrote: > I am trying to track down Mons Joensen's parents. Other spellings found > are Jonsen and Johnsen. > > So far everyone I've found is in Fjaler (aka Yttre Holmdahl) in Sogn og > Fjordane > > I don't know his birthdate. > > He married Johanne Knudsdr Bortnem 31 Jan 1812. His name is given > as Mons Joensen Flekke. She was born 16 Aug 1786. > > A son, Jens, was born 2 Oct 185 and baptized on the 7th. This time it > gives > his name as Mons Jonsen Hollen (there's a curvey diacritic of the "o"). > > No death has been found for him. I find no Hollen in Fjaler, but there is > one in Eid. I have not found him in Fjaler in the 1801 census. She is > there. I have found several Mons Jonsens (plus spelling combinations) in > Norway in 1801. Some fall into an acceptable age range, but no positive > match. > > I currently can't get to the moving records on digitalarkivet. > > Any help on thisxwould be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Brian > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

I am trying to track down Mons Joensen's parents. Other spellings found are Jonsen and Johnsen. So far everyone I've found is in Fjaler (aka Yttre Holmdahl) in Sogn og Fjordane I don't know his birthdate. He married Johanne Knudsdr Bortnem 31 Jan 1812. His name is given as Mons Joensen Flekke. She was born 16 Aug 1786. A son, Jens, was born 2 Oct 185 and baptized on the 7th. This time it gives his name as Mons Jonsen Hollen (there's a curvey diacritic of the "o"). No death has been found for him. I find no Hollen in Fjaler, but there is one in Eid. I have not found him in Fjaler in the 1801 census. She is there. I have found several Mons Jonsens (plus spelling combinations) in Norway in 1801. Some fall into an acceptable age range, but no positive match. I currently can't get to the moving records on digitalarkivet. Any help on thisxwould be appreciated. Thanks, Brian

I recall correspondence with a member some time ago regarding the surname SPECHT in St. Louis, MO circa 1830'2-1840's. I recently found a baptism at St. Charles Borremeo R Catholic Church in St. Charles, MO (just on the other side of the Missouri River) dated August 12, 1838. Gerard Henry Meyer son to Louis Meyer & Catharina Maria SPECHT born July 25, 1838 was baptised on August 12, 1838. Godmother was Ursula Geppert wife to Aloysius Buhler Greg Hilton St. Louis, MO _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista® + Windows Live™. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_102007

Bill Schindler, While you mention the Cincinnati and the St. Louis areas of your ancestries you may have forgotten an area of equal importance as for as the Schindler family would be concerned. The Louisville Area and in particular the northern bank of the Ohio River. The New Albany, Indiana area. My family from Oberkirch took the same route to American and through Cincinnati then settled in the Louisville, Ky area in 1831. Moved to New Albany, IN. several years later. There are still Schindler family members located in this Southern Indiana region. Perhaps some may be yours. A search of the New Albany Public Library online includes these (among others) Schindler names. Schindler, Albert 06/04/1886 obituary Schindler, Amelia 11/23/1892 marriage Ross, William M. Schindler, Andrew 11/10/1921 Auction Mooresville, Prop. If your interested you can look at the New Albany Library listings on line at: WWW.nafclibrary.org click Search Catalog click Community enter Schindler in the Newspaper browse line and enter..... Tony Fetz ----- Original Message ----- From: <tkirn@cox.net> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 5:34 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Schindler - Ulm (Oberkirch) > > ---- LSR <ottostecher@yahoo.com> wrote: >> For Bill Schindler: >> >> >> (So, Linda, your Stechers and my Schindlers probably did know each >> other.) >> Bill - not only do we have the 3 American geographic locations in common, >> but St. Louis employment in common as well, i.e., >> >> Ignatz emigrated in 1879, stayed briefly with relatives in the >> Cincinnati area, then went to work for August Busch in St Louis, >> training to be a brewmaster. >> >> Many of my Stecher's worked for August Busch as well! Rudolph Stecher >> was foreman for August Busch before establishing Stecher Cooperage Works, >> next door to the Busch mansion, making barrels, casks, etc., for Busch & >> other brewers around the country. (Rudolph later established Rudolph >> Stecher Brewing Co. in Murphysboro, IL, maintainig close ties to the >> Busch's.) It is quite exciting to (almost) know that our Ortenau >> ancestors not only emigrated to the same 3 places, but likely worked >> together as well! >> >> re: Perry County, MO, most of the Behrle side of the family remained >> indefinitely. (The Stecher's moved on to St. Louis from Perry County.) >> >> Although a very long shot, you might want to take a look at Tilman >> Krieg's work/name list, which includes a few Schindler's, at >> http://home.arcor-online.de/tilman.krieg/namensliste.htm. I have found a >> few extended family members in Mr. Krieg's database. >> >> Once again, good luck and happy hunting. >> >> Kindest regards, >> Linda (Rains) >> >> Bill Schindler <bill@bitranch.com> wrote: First, thank you very much to >> everyone for the great information! >> I've only had the opportunity to briefly explore some of the links, >> but they look like they'll provide some good starting points for >> further research. >> >> To answer a couple of common questions... >> >> Ignatz Schindler - born 1 Nov 1856, died 18 Feb 1931 >> >> Ferdinand Schindler - born 1 May 1864, died 12 Aug 1947 >> >> Ignatz emigrated in 1879, stayed briefly with relatives in the >> Cincinnati area, then went to work for August Busch in St Louis, >> training to be a brewmaster. He developed a lung infection working in >> the caves and was put on leave of absence. He later owned farmland >> (near Millheim in Perry County, MO) and was a partner in his son >> Edward's butcher shop. Ferdinand was a butcher, mostly in the St >> Louis area. >> >> (So, Linda, your Stechers and my Schindlers probably did know each >> other.) >> >> Charlie Hessler wrote: >> >> > Groom: Franz Schindler (son of Gregor Schindler, deceased, and >> > Katharina >> > Hauser), born 19 Jan 1822 (I think that his name at baptism was >> > Franz Joseph >> > and if my notes are correct, his birth and baptism are shown as >> > being on 18 >> > Jan, not the 19th); according to a notation in the baptismal >> > record, Franz died >> > 29 Oct 1875. >> > Bride: Maria Anna Graf (daughter of Heinrich Graf and >> > Franziska Vogt), >> > born 3 Feb 1826; according to a notation in the baptismal record, >> > Maria Anna >> > died 25 Aug 1900. >> >> This really matches well with information from other documents I've >> been able to find. Ferdinand's death certificate says his mother was >> "Maria Grof" and Ignatz' certificate says "Maria unknown". >> >> My Great Uncle Wallace's copious notes about the family history >> (written up in 1972) say their mother was "Geboren Graff" -- which >> matches again. (Wallace's notes have proven to be a good starting >> point, but not entirely reliable.) It's a good possibility that >> Wallace combined Franz's name with his father's and wrote down "Franz >> Gregory". Wallace's sources were almost entirely other family members. >> >> > I did not find Ferdinand Schindler on the 1900 Missouri census. >> >> I believe Ferdinand took his family back to Germany for a while in >> 1899 or 1900. Which also happens to coincide with Maria Anna's death. >> Anyway, Ferdinand is in the 1910 and 1920 census with his wife >> Katherine. >> >> There's enough correlation here to use these records as a starting >> point. It's far more than I had a week ago. Oh and thank you for the >> microfilm numbers -- those will help a lot. (There's an FHS in Mesa, >> about 20 miles from here.) >> >> --Bill Schindler >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> __________________________________________________ >> Do You Yahoo!? >> Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around >> http://mail.yahoo.com >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > My Kirn ancestors, Christian and Michael, came from Ulm (Oberkirch) in the > late 18th Century, before settling in Neusatz. Does anyone know of a Kirn > in Ulm?? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

---- LSR <ottostecher@yahoo.com> wrote: > For Bill Schindler: > > > (So, Linda, your Stechers and my Schindlers probably did know each > other.) > Bill - not only do we have the 3 American geographic locations in common, but St. Louis employment in common as well, i.e., > > Ignatz emigrated in 1879, stayed briefly with relatives in the Cincinnati area, then went to work for August Busch in St Louis, training to be a brewmaster. > > Many of my Stecher's worked for August Busch as well! Rudolph Stecher was foreman for August Busch before establishing Stecher Cooperage Works, next door to the Busch mansion, making barrels, casks, etc., for Busch & other brewers around the country. (Rudolph later established Rudolph Stecher Brewing Co. in Murphysboro, IL, maintainig close ties to the Busch's.) It is quite exciting to (almost) know that our Ortenau ancestors not only emigrated to the same 3 places, but likely worked together as well! > > re: Perry County, MO, most of the Behrle side of the family remained indefinitely. (The Stecher's moved on to St. Louis from Perry County.) > > Although a very long shot, you might want to take a look at Tilman Krieg's work/name list, which includes a few Schindler's, at http://home.arcor-online.de/tilman.krieg/namensliste.htm. I have found a few extended family members in Mr. Krieg's database. > > Once again, good luck and happy hunting. > > Kindest regards, > Linda (Rains) > > Bill Schindler <bill@bitranch.com> wrote: First, thank you very much to everyone for the great information! > I've only had the opportunity to briefly explore some of the links, > but they look like they'll provide some good starting points for > further research. > > To answer a couple of common questions... > > Ignatz Schindler - born 1 Nov 1856, died 18 Feb 1931 > > Ferdinand Schindler - born 1 May 1864, died 12 Aug 1947 > > Ignatz emigrated in 1879, stayed briefly with relatives in the > Cincinnati area, then went to work for August Busch in St Louis, > training to be a brewmaster. He developed a lung infection working in > the caves and was put on leave of absence. He later owned farmland > (near Millheim in Perry County, MO) and was a partner in his son > Edward's butcher shop. Ferdinand was a butcher, mostly in the St > Louis area. > > (So, Linda, your Stechers and my Schindlers probably did know each > other.) > > Charlie Hessler wrote: > > > Groom: Franz Schindler (son of Gregor Schindler, deceased, and > > Katharina > > Hauser), born 19 Jan 1822 (I think that his name at baptism was > > Franz Joseph > > and if my notes are correct, his birth and baptism are shown as > > being on 18 > > Jan, not the 19th); according to a notation in the baptismal > > record, Franz died > > 29 Oct 1875. > > Bride: Maria Anna Graf (daughter of Heinrich Graf and > > Franziska Vogt), > > born 3 Feb 1826; according to a notation in the baptismal record, > > Maria Anna > > died 25 Aug 1900. > > This really matches well with information from other documents I've > been able to find. Ferdinand's death certificate says his mother was > "Maria Grof" and Ignatz' certificate says "Maria unknown". > > My Great Uncle Wallace's copious notes about the family history > (written up in 1972) say their mother was "Geboren Graff" -- which > matches again. (Wallace's notes have proven to be a good starting > point, but not entirely reliable.) It's a good possibility that > Wallace combined Franz's name with his father's and wrote down "Franz > Gregory". Wallace's sources were almost entirely other family members. > > > I did not find Ferdinand Schindler on the 1900 Missouri census. > > I believe Ferdinand took his family back to Germany for a while in > 1899 or 1900. Which also happens to coincide with Maria Anna's death. > Anyway, Ferdinand is in the 1910 and 1920 census with his wife > Katherine. > > There's enough correlation here to use these records as a starting > point. It's far more than I had a week ago. Oh and thank you for the > microfilm numbers -- those will help a lot. (There's an FHS in Mesa, > about 20 miles from here.) > > --Bill Schindler > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message My Kirn ancestors, Christian and Michael, came from Ulm (Oberkirch) in the late 18th Century, before settling in Neusatz. Does anyone know of a Kirn in Ulm??

For Bill Schindler: (So, Linda, your Stechers and my Schindlers probably did know each other.) Bill - not only do we have the 3 American geographic locations in common, but St. Louis employment in common as well, i.e., Ignatz emigrated in 1879, stayed briefly with relatives in the Cincinnati area, then went to work for August Busch in St Louis, training to be a brewmaster. Many of my Stecher's worked for August Busch as well! Rudolph Stecher was foreman for August Busch before establishing Stecher Cooperage Works, next door to the Busch mansion, making barrels, casks, etc., for Busch & other brewers around the country. (Rudolph later established Rudolph Stecher Brewing Co. in Murphysboro, IL, maintainig close ties to the Busch's.) It is quite exciting to (almost) know that our Ortenau ancestors not only emigrated to the same 3 places, but likely worked together as well! re: Perry County, MO, most of the Behrle side of the family remained indefinitely. (The Stecher's moved on to St. Louis from Perry County.) Although a very long shot, you might want to take a look at Tilman Krieg's work/name list, which includes a few Schindler's, at http://home.arcor-online.de/tilman.krieg/namensliste.htm. I have found a few extended family members in Mr. Krieg's database. Once again, good luck and happy hunting. Kindest regards, Linda (Rains) Bill Schindler <bill@bitranch.com> wrote: First, thank you very much to everyone for the great information! I've only had the opportunity to briefly explore some of the links, but they look like they'll provide some good starting points for further research. To answer a couple of common questions... Ignatz Schindler - born 1 Nov 1856, died 18 Feb 1931 Ferdinand Schindler - born 1 May 1864, died 12 Aug 1947 Ignatz emigrated in 1879, stayed briefly with relatives in the Cincinnati area, then went to work for August Busch in St Louis, training to be a brewmaster. He developed a lung infection working in the caves and was put on leave of absence. He later owned farmland (near Millheim in Perry County, MO) and was a partner in his son Edward's butcher shop. Ferdinand was a butcher, mostly in the St Louis area. (So, Linda, your Stechers and my Schindlers probably did know each other.) Charlie Hessler wrote: > Groom: Franz Schindler (son of Gregor Schindler, deceased, and > Katharina > Hauser), born 19 Jan 1822 (I think that his name at baptism was > Franz Joseph > and if my notes are correct, his birth and baptism are shown as > being on 18 > Jan, not the 19th); according to a notation in the baptismal > record, Franz died > 29 Oct 1875. > Bride: Maria Anna Graf (daughter of Heinrich Graf and > Franziska Vogt), > born 3 Feb 1826; according to a notation in the baptismal record, > Maria Anna > died 25 Aug 1900. This really matches well with information from other documents I've been able to find. Ferdinand's death certificate says his mother was "Maria Grof" and Ignatz' certificate says "Maria unknown". My Great Uncle Wallace's copious notes about the family history (written up in 1972) say their mother was "Geboren Graff" -- which matches again. (Wallace's notes have proven to be a good starting point, but not entirely reliable.) It's a good possibility that Wallace combined Franz's name with his father's and wrote down "Franz Gregory". Wallace's sources were almost entirely other family members. > I did not find Ferdinand Schindler on the 1900 Missouri census. I believe Ferdinand took his family back to Germany for a while in 1899 or 1900. Which also happens to coincide with Maria Anna's death. Anyway, Ferdinand is in the 1910 and 1920 census with his wife Katherine. There's enough correlation here to use these records as a starting point. It's far more than I had a week ago. Oh and thank you for the microfilm numbers -- those will help a lot. (There's an FHS in Mesa, about 20 miles from here.) --Bill Schindler ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > Anforderung von Personenstandsurkunden: > http://www.stadt-renchen.de/405.html > There is a link "Download Formular". But the pdf file seems to be > empty or my browser didn't dowload it or... I successfully downloaded the PDF file. If I'm translating correctly (never a sure thing), they want either 7.00 or 8.00 Euro to make a copy. There's a note saying that the data will start to go online in January 2009. (Or it will be online by then?) Anyway, I'll keep this one in reserve until I've looked at the microfilms at Family History. Once I'm a bit more certain that I'm researching the correct Franz Schindler, I'll probably order these records. Thanks! --Bill Schindler

First, thank you very much to everyone for the great information! I've only had the opportunity to briefly explore some of the links, but they look like they'll provide some good starting points for further research. To answer a couple of common questions... Ignatz Schindler - born 1 Nov 1856, died 18 Feb 1931 Ferdinand Schindler - born 1 May 1864, died 12 Aug 1947 Ignatz emigrated in 1879, stayed briefly with relatives in the Cincinnati area, then went to work for August Busch in St Louis, training to be a brewmaster. He developed a lung infection working in the caves and was put on leave of absence. He later owned farmland (near Millheim in Perry County, MO) and was a partner in his son Edward's butcher shop. Ferdinand was a butcher, mostly in the St Louis area. (So, Linda, your Stechers and my Schindlers probably did know each other.) Charlie Hessler wrote: > Groom: Franz Schindler (son of Gregor Schindler, deceased, and > Katharina > Hauser), born 19 Jan 1822 (I think that his name at baptism was > Franz Joseph > and if my notes are correct, his birth and baptism are shown as > being on 18 > Jan, not the 19th); according to a notation in the baptismal > record, Franz died > 29 Oct 1875. > Bride: Maria Anna Graf (daughter of Heinrich Graf and > Franziska Vogt), > born 3 Feb 1826; according to a notation in the baptismal record, > Maria Anna > died 25 Aug 1900. This really matches well with information from other documents I've been able to find. Ferdinand's death certificate says his mother was "Maria Grof" and Ignatz' certificate says "Maria unknown". My Great Uncle Wallace's copious notes about the family history (written up in 1972) say their mother was "Geboren Graff" -- which matches again. (Wallace's notes have proven to be a good starting point, but not entirely reliable.) It's a good possibility that Wallace combined Franz's name with his father's and wrote down "Franz Gregory". Wallace's sources were almost entirely other family members. > I did not find Ferdinand Schindler on the 1900 Missouri census. I believe Ferdinand took his family back to Germany for a while in 1899 or 1900. Which also happens to coincide with Maria Anna's death. Anyway, Ferdinand is in the 1910 and 1920 census with his wife Katherine. There's enough correlation here to use these records as a starting point. It's far more than I had a week ago. Oh and thank you for the microfilm numbers -- those will help a lot. (There's an FHS in Mesa, about 20 miles from here.) --Bill Schindler

For: Bill Schindler, I may have found some information about your Schindler family. I have three microfilms of Ulm (Oberamt Oberkirch) Catholic records on indefinite loan at the Fishers FHC, north of Indianapolis. They cover baptisms from 1736-1850 and marriages from 1655 to 1900. The Ulm church records have quite a few Schindler and Graf entries. I found one good prospect for your Schindler family, as follows: Marriage record, 19 Feb 1849, FHL microfilm #996361, p.222 Groom: Franz Schindler (son of Gregor Schindler, deceased, and Katharina Hauser), born 19 Jan 1822 (I think that his name at baptism was Franz Joseph and if my notes are correct, his birth and baptism are shown as being on 18 Jan, not the 19th); according to a notation in the baptismal record, Franz died 29 Oct 1875. Bride: Maria Anna Graf (daughter of Heinrich Graf and Franziska Vogt), born 3 Feb 1826; according to a notation in the baptismal record, Maria Anna died 25 Aug 1900. Obviously, this fits some (but not all) of the information that you provided on this family. If you have access to a local Family History Center, I would suggest that you borrow FHL microfilm #996308, which contains the baptisms from 1850 to 1903. The Ulm Familienbuch on FHL microfilm # 996364 might also have some useful information; sometimes a Familienbuch entry will include a notation about a person emigrating to the U.S. If this is the right family, then you should be able to find information on Ignatz and Ferdinand on one or both of those microfilms. By the way, I found only one child of this couple up to 1850 (Josef, born 5 Jan 1850, died 29 Jun 1931). If you have ever stated when the emigrant brothers, Ignatz and Ferdinand, were born, I missed that email. I found an Ignatz Schindler on the 1900 census for Perry Co., Missouri; his birth is given as Nov 1856 and his immigration year as 1879, so I would suppose that is the right one. I did not find Ferdinand Schindler on the 1900 Missouri census, but presumably you already have detailed information on the brothers after they emigrated. If you are able to verify that the family I found are the parents of Ignatz and Ferdinand, you will find the Ulm church records contain information on various family lines back for several generations. Good luck! If I can be of further assistance, let me know. Charlie Hessler Indianapolis ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com