Going back to Annoying Message #13, you were stuck hearing about Google, their online books and < http://books.google.com >. Even with all their troubles about books, copyrights and various library and university sources (and denials), they are still working on improving this service. The current issue of the quarterly "The German Connection" published by the German Research Association, Inc in San Diego, California has a two-page article on the success of one of their members in accessing this Google Books site. She found her Germanic information in a French book on those who were "admitted to establish their domicile in France" published in August 1831. Within the article, François Schuhe of "Grossweyer", David Dorflinger of Altenheim, Léopold Feuerlé of Marlen/Offenburg and Chrétien-Charles Vogel from Lahr (but I don't know which Lahr) are mentioned within a total of approximately 40 individuals. >From the Ortsfamilienbuch Großweier François Schuhe was born as Franz Josef Schuh and went missing from the Church Registers after baptism. I am sending the information that he ended up as a tailor in Mulhausen on to Rose's cousin who compiled the Großweier book. I don't know if I have the ability to play with < http://books.google.com > but if you have anyone missing from Baden, the Alsace was a short boat ride away. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com

Hello Dave, you should maybe join mailinglists of the Saarland area, there is also a German mailinglist. There are hundreds of persons with the names Waibel (hundreds with telephone) and Weibel (about 250 with telephone) in Germany and I do not believe they are all related with each other so you should at first make research in the Saarland area. Weibel live especially in the Stuttgart area, Ludwigshafen/Heidelberg area, Frankfurt area, Saarland, München area, Düsseldorf and Köln area, Hannover area... Here is a small map which shows the spreading of Weibels: http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/weibel.gif A Weibel was a profession: Feldwebel, Unteroffizier, Gerichtsdiener, Amtsdiener. - Wendelin On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 21:19:43 -0500 "David Wyble Sr" <cwowretusmc@msn.com> wrote: > I am still searching for Johannes and Carl/Karl Weibel who lived in > the Saarland and Schmelz areas. Nonnweiler,rSt Ingbert, > Abentheverhutte and the Dist of Trier have all been mentioned. > > A kind lady referred me to the city of Freiburg, Breeisgau, Reilinge, > Riegel am Kaiserstuhl, Karsruhe Archiv...State, City of Baden where > most of the surname WEIBEL came up. > > IN ADDITION SHE MENTIONED THAT SUSANNA MUELLER, ANNA HUG AND > MAGDALENA LIECHTENAUER RELATED FEMALES SHOW UP WITH WEIBEL'S, > 1703-1705. THAT WAS ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. > > I would appreciate it if anyone can guide me with the above to help > me find them. > > Thanks > > Dave Wyble

I am still searching for Johannes and Carl/Karl Weibel who lived in the Saarland and Schmelz areas. Nonnweiler,rSt Ingbert, Abentheverhutte and the Dist of Trier have all been mentioned. A kind lady referred me to the city of Freiburg, Breeisgau, Reilinge, Riegel am Kaiserstuhl, Karsruhe Archiv...State, City of Baden where most of the surname WEIBEL came up. IN ADDITION SHE MENTIONED THAT SUSANNA MUELLER, ANNA HUG AND MAGDALENA LIECHTENAUER RELATED FEMALES SHOW UP WITH WEIBEL'S, 1703-1705. THAT WAS ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. I would appreciate it if anyone can guide me with the above to help me find them. Thanks Dave Wyble

Karen, I had time yesterday to view Nussbach Catholic film #0958813 and I copied all the "M" indexes and will send them to you if you like via email attachment. I didn't see your MANNLE family in the indexes but perhaps you'll have a better eye than I. If you do find a name that may be of your MANNLE family in these indexes, let me know the name and date and what the record is - sterbe, tauf or marriage. I will copy it at first opportunity for you and then send by way of email. BTW, there were no WALTER entries in the indexes. Pfurrei [sp] Nussbach, Herzthal, Maisenbuhl, Dieberbach & Schlatten are the towns represented in these indexes. 1825-1864 Sterbe 1865-1890 Sterbe 1825-1900 Tauf 1825-1900 Marriage 1825-1900 Sterbe 1864-1900 Tauf In a message dated 2/18/2008 2:05:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com writes: Date: Sun, 17 Feb 2008 07:31:41 -0800 From: Karen Querna <Karen@qualitypumps.com> Subject: Re: [Ortenau] DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 22 To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <47B8535D.8010804@qualitypumps.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dear Wendelin and Brian, thank you for your thoughts on this: From https://www.auswanderer.landesarchiv-bw.de nr 160903 name: Mannle, Christian ort: Herztal, Nussbach, Stadt Oberkirch, OG Amt/:Oberkirch Emigrationsjahr: 1853 Zielland: Nordamerica "with nine persons" I also have a copy of his naturalization record with states his birth as Oct. 15, 1815. His death record in the NEGHS does not list his parents. So about a year or so ago I searched the Herztal records with no luck. As you, am guessing that he was not born there, put perhaps in some other area nearby. for Maria Anna Walter emigrated in 1855 from Schutern (Friesenheim) - those records I have not searched yet. so I believe my "association" of Mannle + Mela came from the Immigrant ship records, as even Mannle is mispelled. From the auswander records if Christian did travel with nine others, I am not sure who else they could of been. the "Mela" names seemed the most obvious. Thank you again for your input - this is a great list! back to Schwendemann stuff next week when the FHC is open! Karenq **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

The Family History Center lists that they have microfilm copies of the Church Books for Freistett, Baden available. They can be rented for a nominal fee through your local Family History Center.Go to www.familysearch.org for your closest FHC. You can go to the catalog section to see the records available - you will need the film numbers to order them. The records apparently go back to 1621 and from my past experience will be in old German scrip and in Latin. Hope this helps. Dan Bravard Columbus, Ohio. USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ahnenforschung Thomas Adam" <ahnenforschung@familieadam.online.de> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 3:15 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] Family books for Freistett? > Dear Teri! > (Please excuse my english!) > TeriBooher@aol.com schrieb: >> Does anyone know if there are any family books or church records from the >> Freistett area? > I am searching in Freistett too in the Kirchenbücher! And by copying some > informations related to my ancestors, I have collected some names like > Haus, Hauss, Hauser. I can offer > HAUS Christine > born: approx.1736 > marriage .01.1761 with DEMUTH Johannes > burried: approx. 1779 > (no more informations jet) > HAUSS Johann Georg > born probably 1811 > marriage 04.12.1836 in Freistett with Fauti Louise > (no more informations jet) > > I own some few books about Freistett, I will have a look about any Haus/ > Hauss/ Hauser/ Hausser. > In case I will find any information, I will send You another mail. > Kindly > Thomas (Adam) > >> I am looking for a Haus / Hauss / Haas family that I believe may hay >> come from there. They ended up in the United States some time before the >> Revolution (Baden). Thanks for any help or suggestions. >> Teri >> > >

Dear Teri! (Please excuse my english!) TeriBooher@aol.com schrieb: > Does anyone know if there are any family books or church records from the > Freistett area? I am searching in Freistett too in the Kirchenbücher! And by copying some informations related to my ancestors, I have collected some names like Haus, Hauss, Hauser. I can offer HAUS Christine born: approx.1736 marriage .01.1761 with DEMUTH Johannes burried: approx. 1779 (no more informations jet) HAUSS Johann Georg born probably 1811 marriage 04.12.1836 in Freistett with Fauti Louise (no more informations jet) I own some few books about Freistett, I will have a look about any Haus/ Hauss/ Hauser/ Hausser. In case I will find any information, I will send You another mail. Kindly Thomas (Adam) > I am looking for a Haus / Hauss / Haas family that I believe > may hay come from there. They ended up in the United States some time before > the Revolution (Baden). Thanks for any help or suggestions. > Teri >

All: I have helped a fellow Urloffen Descendant, Warren Wiedmeyer, with a little bit of research. His Wiedmeyers actually came from Zimmern which was part of the parish. His line disappears from the Church records around 1700, unfortunately. Not willing to give up there Warren is seeking any other sources for gleaning more records. I suggested a professional researcher who has access to local archived records. Unfortunately, I have lost my one contact and was wondering if anyone else knows of either a professional researcher or has any ideas to go further back. Thanks. Dan Bravard Great-great-great Grandson Casper Schneider, b. 1830 Urloffen

Kathy, Rootsweb handles Lists in different manner. Much depends on which Server serves the particular List. Your problem is most probably a combination of you being on the Digest format for this List, List server #9 which supports the Deu-Bad-Ortenau List and your ISP as Rootsweb may need an adjustment in their mailings for your ISP. I have switched from Digest to direct Mail on several Rootsweb Lists because of the attachment procedure. This List is not that active. Unless you have so much other mail coming in, you might find it easier to switch back to the direct Mail method rather than the Digest method. djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy" <kathysig@insightbb.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 10:02 AM Subject: [Ortenau] Opening messages on this website > Why do I have to click on the attachments to read messages on this > website? They appear on the screen on other mailing lists? > > Kathy

Sometimes names don't always fit either. I don't know what other research has been done on the Maennle family, but it looks like evidence is growing to support the Mela names might be Maennles, but I think perhaps still more research is necessary. Brian On Sat, February 23, 2008 11:49 am, djweber wrote: > Karen, > > Sometimes numbers do not fit. > > I have several records which identify that my Sauer family emigrated from > Baden with all eleven members. In reality there were only the parents and > six children, a total of eight. > > As the family was shipped at Town expense to America, my guess has been > that > the other three children, little Mathilda, Sibilla and Hironiums (spelling > as per a couple of the records), belonged to one of the other families > being > shipped and for some passage-rate reason were applied to a second family. > > Maybe you didn't have as large a family as suggested? > > djweber > djwdjw@ix.netcom.com > ------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen Querna" <Karen@qualitypumps.com> > To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:32 PM > Subject: [Ortenau] Maennle family > > > Dear Wendelin and all! > below is my translation from the Bottenau book. I am curious just what > area did it cover? This might help me narrow down a birth > place for Christian. This is the second document which mentions 9 > members. I wish I could find where they ended up if they were not on the > ship with Christian. > I am also curious what would a gulden be worth in US dollars today? > > > I have recently found on Family Search, and am wondering if perhaps this > could be a link - my Christian states that he was born on Oct. 15, > 1815. Looks like I need to order the Durbach films. Or am I chasing a > "John Smith" > Christian <Maennle> > Birth: > 21 OCT 1815 > Durbach, Offenburg, Baden > Father: > Christian Maennle > Mother: > Dorothea Haisch > > > *The 9 members of the family Christian Maennle, which had likewise lost > its fortune by foreclosure sale, was pushed away with municipality > support 1853. The entire passage cost the municipality with provisions > 600 guldens, had 350 guldens to to it-put > * > Thank you for everyones thoughts on this. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Why do I have to click on the attachments to read messages on this website? They appear on the screen on other mailing lists? Kathy "A family tree can wither if nobody tends its roots"

Does anyone know if there are any family books or church records from the Freistett area? I am looking for a Haus / Hauss / Haas family that I believe may hay come from there. They ended up in the United States some time before the Revolution (Baden). Thanks for any help or suggestions. Teri **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

I am looking for Johannes and Carl/Karl Weibel who lived in the Saarland and Schmelz areas. Nonnweiler, St Ingbert, Abentheuerhutte and the Dist of Trier have all been mentions. I was referred to the city of Freiburg, Breeisgau, Reilinge, Riegel am Kaiserstuhl, Karsruhe Archiv...State, City of Baden where most of the surname WEIBEL came up. IN ADDITION SHE MENTIONED THAT SUSANNA MUELLER, ANNA HUG AND MAGDALENA LIECHTENAUER RELATED FEMALES SHOW UP WITH WEIBEL'S, 1703-1705. THAT WAS ALL THE INFORMATION AVAILABLE. ANY WEIBEL'S MAY BE IN MY LINE AND I WOULD HOPE SOMEONE CAN SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS ELUSIVE FAMILY> I would appreciate it if anyone can guide me with the above to help me find them. Thanks Dave Wyble

Karen, Sometimes numbers do not fit. I have several records which identify that my Sauer family emigrated from Baden with all eleven members. In reality there were only the parents and six children, a total of eight. As the family was shipped at Town expense to America, my guess has been that the other three children, little Mathilda, Sibilla and Hironiums (spelling as per a couple of the records), belonged to one of the other families being shipped and for some passage-rate reason were applied to a second family. Maybe you didn't have as large a family as suggested? djweber djwdjw@ix.netcom.com ------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen Querna" <Karen@qualitypumps.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 9:32 PM Subject: [Ortenau] Maennle family Dear Wendelin and all! below is my translation from the Bottenau book. I am curious just what area did it cover? This might help me narrow down a birth place for Christian. This is the second document which mentions 9 members. I wish I could find where they ended up if they were not on the ship with Christian. I am also curious what would a gulden be worth in US dollars today? I have recently found on Family Search, and am wondering if perhaps this could be a link - my Christian states that he was born on Oct. 15, 1815. Looks like I need to order the Durbach films. Or am I chasing a "John Smith" Christian <Maennle> Birth: 21 OCT 1815 Durbach, Offenburg, Baden Father: Christian Maennle Mother: Dorothea Haisch *The 9 members of the family Christian Maennle, which had likewise lost its fortune by foreclosure sale, was pushed away with municipality support 1853. The entire passage cost the municipality with provisions 600 guldens, had 350 guldens to to it-put * Thank you for everyones thoughts on this.

Hello Karen, 2 Christian Männle? Then it could mean Christian Männle senior received the permission to emigrate with his family. But strange that they took not the same ship. Have you found at familysearch other children of Christian Männle senior? That's possible that the men from the Durbach record are yours. Bottenau belonged at this time to the community (till 1935) and parish Durbach. The community Herztal with Maisenbühl belonged to the parish Nußbach. The community Bottenau was constituted and the community Herztal dissolved in 1935. > The entire passage cost the municipality > with provisions 600 guldens, had 350 guldens to to it-put The community of Herztal had to pay 350 Gulden. The total expenses were 600 Gulden. - Wendelin On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:32:53 -0800 Karen Querna <Karen@qualitypumps.com> wrote: > Dear Wendelin and all! > below is my translation from the Bottenau book. I am curious just > what area did it cover? This might help me narrow down a > birth place for Christian. This is the second document which > mentions 9 members. I wish I could find where they ended up if they > were not on the ship with Christian. > I am also curious what would a gulden be worth in US dollars today? > > > I have recently found on Family Search, and am wondering if perhaps > this could be a link - my Christian states that he was born on Oct. > 15, > 1815. Looks like I need to order the Durbach films. Or am I chasing > a "John Smith" > Christian <Maennle> > Birth: > 21 OCT 1815 > Durbach, Offenburg, Baden > Father: > Christian Maennle > Mother: > Dorothea Haisch > > > *The 9 members of the family Christian Maennle, which had likewise > lost its fortune by foreclosure sale, was pushed away with > municipality support 1853. The entire passage cost the municipality > with provisions 600 guldens, had 350 guldens to to it-put > * > Thank you for everyones thoughts on this. > Karenq > > you are maybe interested to know the text from the book.Die > dreyherrschaftliche Gemeind Bottenau" > page 70: > Die neunköpfige Familie Christian Männle, die ebenfalls durch > Zwangsvollstreckung ihr Vermögen verloren hatte, wurde mit > Gemeindeunterstützung 1853 abgeschoben. Die gesamte Überfahrt kostete > mit Proviant 600 Gulden, die Gemeinde mußte 350 Gulden dazulegen.

To the folks I am doing lookups on the Nussbach/Bottenau/Offenburg film. Another busy day the the History Center and I have a Newbie I am training which pretty much took up much of my time. I had the Offenburg film out of the drawer all ready to view it when the Newbie came in and that was the end of that tune for the day. Hopefully I'll be able to get to it and the Nussbach film next week. If not, please know I will look at it at first opportunity. Beverly **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)

Dear Wendelin and all! below is my translation from the Bottenau book. I am curious just what area did it cover? This might help me narrow down a birth place for Christian. This is the second document which mentions 9 members. I wish I could find where they ended up if they were not on the ship with Christian. I am also curious what would a gulden be worth in US dollars today? I have recently found on Family Search, and am wondering if perhaps this could be a link - my Christian states that he was born on Oct. 15, 1815. Looks like I need to order the Durbach films. Or am I chasing a "John Smith" Christian <Maennle> Birth: 21 OCT 1815 Durbach, Offenburg, Baden Father: Christian Maennle Mother: Dorothea Haisch *The 9 members of the family Christian Maennle, which had likewise lost its fortune by foreclosure sale, was pushed away with municipality support 1853. The entire passage cost the municipality with provisions 600 guldens, had 350 guldens to to it-put * Thank you for everyones thoughts on this. Karenq you are maybe interested to know the text from the book.Die dreyherrschaftliche Gemeind Bottenau" page 70: Die neunköpfige Familie Christian Männle, die ebenfalls durch Zwangsvollstreckung ihr Vermögen verloren hatte, wurde mit Gemeindeunterstützung 1853 abgeschoben. Die gesamte Überfahrt kostete mit Proviant 600 Gulden, die Gemeinde mußte 350 Gulden dazulegen. - Wendelin Dear Wendelin and Brian, thank you for your thoughts on this: From https://www.auswanderer.landesarchiv-bw.de nr 160903 name: Mannle, Christian ort: Herztal, Nussbach, Stadt Oberkirch, OG Amt/:Oberkirch Emigrationsjahr: 1853 Zielland: Nordamerica "with nine persons" I also have a copy of his naturalization record with states his birth as Oct. 15, 1815. His death record in the NEGHS does not list his parents. So about a year or so ago I searched the Herztal records with no luck. As you, am guessing that he was not born there, put perhaps in some other area nearby. for Maria Anna Walter emigrated in 1855 from Schutern (Friesenheim) - those records I have not searched yet. so I believe my "association" of Mannle + Mela came from the Immigrant ship records, as even Mannle is mispelled. From the auswander records if Christian did travel with nine others, I am not sure who else they could of been. the "Mela" names seemed the most obvious. > > Thank you again for your input - this is a great list! > back to Schwendemann stuff next week when the FHC is open! > Karenq > > deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com wro >> >> Dear Wendelin, >> Christain Mannle - my mystery man, I have searched the Hertzal Nussbach registers for him with no luck. You mentioned in one of the digests his name was in the book in 1853. Below is from the ship manifest of the Adelaide Metcalf from March 28, 1855. Marianne was his wife. I believe that the people below him were also Mannle and may of been the members listed with him on the auswanderer index. I been able to trace Christian in America, but not the others below. In the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. With some of the first names one would of thought this would be easy. Any thoughts of other versions of first names? Or where did they go. Christian and Marianne went to Boston. >> thank you >> Karenq >> >> >> 18 Walter Marianne 26 F Farmer Bade United States >> 19* Marmle Christian 32 M Farmer Bade United States > 20 Mela Herz 52 M Farmer Bade United States >> 21 Mela Hanchen 38 F Farmer Bade United States > >> 22 Mela Hanchen 10 F Farmer Bade United States > >> 23 Mela Salomon 8 M Farmer Bade United States >> 24 Mela Bertha 8 F Farmer Bade United States >> 25 Mela Regina 7 F Farmer Bade United States >> 26 Mela Berthold 6 M Farmer Bade United States >> 27 Mela Jetta 5 F Farmer Bade United States >> 28 Mela Ferdinand 6m M Farmer Bade United States >> >> >> Hello Karen, >> >> maybe Christian Männle and his wife were not born in the parish Nussbach >> but in a neighboring town. It's possible that his emigration >> record has any information when and where they were born. >> >> No, I do not belive the people below him were als Männle at least not >> all, I believe their given names are Jewish names: Herz, Hanchen, >> Salomon. >> >> - Wendelin >> >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:57:34 -0800 >> Karen Querna <Karen@qualitypumps.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Dear Wendelin, >>> Christain Mannle - my mystery man, I have searched the Hertzal >>> Nussbach registers for him with no luck. You mentioned in one of the >>> digests his name was in the book in 1853. Below is from the ship >>> manifest of the Adelaide Metcalf from March 28, 1855. Marianne was >>> his wife. I believe that the people below him were also Mannle and >>> may of been the members listed with him on the auswanderer index. I >>> been able to trace Christian in America, but not the others below. In >>> the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. With some of the first names one >>> would of thought this would be easy. Any thoughts of other versions >>> of first names? Or where did they go. Christian and Marianne went to >>> Boston. thank you >>> Karenq >>> >>> >>> 18 Walter Marianne 26 F Farmer Bade United >>> States 19* Marmle Christian 32 M Farmer Bade >>> United States 20 Mela Herz 52 M Farmer >>> Bade United States 21 Mela Hanchen 38 F >>> Farmer Bade United States 22 Mela Hanchen 10 >>> F Farmer Bade United States 23 Mela Salomon >>> 8 M Farmer Bade United States 24 Mela >>> Bertha 8 F Farmer Bade United States 25 >>> Mela Regina 7 F Farmer Bade United States >>> 26 Mela Berthold 6 M Farmer Bade United >>> States 27 Mela Jetta 5 F Farmer Bade >>> United States 28 Mela Ferdinand 6m M Farmer >>> Bade United States >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Subject: >> Re: [Ortenau] Herztal >> From: >> brian@amason.net >> Date: >> Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:40 -0600 (CST) >> To: >> deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com >> >> To: >> deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com >> >> >> My wife's side of the tree has family members named Salomon and are not >> Jewish, but Lutheran. They are also Swedish though. I do not necessarily >> support the idea of setting presumptions of religious affiliation solely >> upon names. But I also question the association of the Melas as Mannles, >> because of the age of the elder Mennle. At 52, I would have suspected him >> to be the head of the household. That is not to say it never happened like >> this, but generally when I see a family with a younger male as the >> apparent head of the family, the elder male was the father-in-law. >> >> Brian >> >> On Sat, February 16, 2008 2:20 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: >> >>>> d Karen, > > Herz Mela emigrated from Billigheim in 1854, he is in the emigration > database. > > Okay, Salomon could be also a name for German Lutherans but Herz? > > - Wendelin > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:40 -0600 (CST) > brian@amason.net wrote: > >> My wife's side of the tree has family members named Salomon and are >> not Jewish, but Lutheran. They are also Swedish though. I do not >> necessarily support the idea of setting presumptions of religious >> affiliation solely upon names. But I also question the association of >> the Melas as Mannles, because of the age of the elder Mennle. At 52, >> I would have suspected him to be the head of the household. That is >> not to say it never happened like this, but generally when I see a >> family with a younger male as the apparent head of the family, the >> elder male was the father-in-law. >> >> Brian >> >> On Sat, February 16, 2008 2:20 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: >>> Hello Karen, >>> >>> maybe Christian Männle and his wife were not born in the parish >>> Nussbach but in a neighboring town. It's possible that his >>> emigration record has any information when and where they were born. >>> >>> No, I do not belive the people below him were als Männle at least >>> not all, I believe their given names are Jewish names: Herz, >>> Hanchen, Salomon. >>> >>> - Wendelin > >

Karen, you are maybe interested to know the text from the book. page 70: Die neunköpfige Familie Christian Männle, die ebenfalls durch Zwangsvollstreckung ihr Vermögen verloren hatte, wurde mit Gemeindeunterstützung 1853 abgeschoben. Die gesamte Überfahrt kostete mit Proviant 600 Gulden, die Gemeinde mußte 350 Gulden dazulegen. - Wendelin

Beverly, page 200: Da der Wehrdienst drei Jahre dauerte, die Arbeitskraft des Sohnes dringend gebraucht wurde und im Falle des Todes oder der Arbeitsunfähigkeit des Vaters die Existenz des Betriebes gefährdet war, machte man häufig den Versuch, die Wehruntauglichkeit nachzuweisen. So brachte 1862 der Weierhofbauer Ignaz Busam vor, sein Sohn Bernhard leide an "Nesselfieber". Er berief sich dabei merkwürdigerweise nicht auf das Attest eines Arztes, sondern führte als Zeugen den Oberlehrer (!) August Hirn und einige von Bernhards Schulkameraden an! - Wendelin On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 03:30:00 EST BZanon@aol.com wrote: > Wendolin, > > On the Bottenau page you mentioned, I found the following: > > 1862: > Ignaz Busam und Sohn Bernhard, Weierhof > > The men are part of my BUSAM line. Can you tell me what the > significance is of the 1862 entry? I'm attempting to determine it's > meaning and coming up blank. > > Thank you in advance for your wonderful assistance. > > Beverly

Brian and Karen, Herz Mela emigrated from Billigheim in 1854, he is in the emigration database. Okay, Salomon could be also a name for German Lutherans but Herz? - Wendelin On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:40 -0600 (CST) brian@amason.net wrote: > My wife's side of the tree has family members named Salomon and are > not Jewish, but Lutheran. They are also Swedish though. I do not > necessarily support the idea of setting presumptions of religious > affiliation solely upon names. But I also question the association of > the Melas as Mannles, because of the age of the elder Mennle. At 52, > I would have suspected him to be the head of the household. That is > not to say it never happened like this, but generally when I see a > family with a younger male as the apparent head of the family, the > elder male was the father-in-law. > > Brian > > On Sat, February 16, 2008 2:20 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > > Hello Karen, > > > > maybe Christian Männle and his wife were not born in the parish > > Nussbach but in a neighboring town. It's possible that his > > emigration record has any information when and where they were born. > > > > No, I do not belive the people below him were als Männle at least > > not all, I believe their given names are Jewish names: Herz, > > Hanchen, Salomon. > > > > - Wendelin

Dear Wendelin and Brian, thank you for your thoughts on this: From https://www.auswanderer.landesarchiv-bw.de nr 160903 name: Mannle, Christian ort: Herztal, Nussbach, Stadt Oberkirch, OG Amt/:Oberkirch Emigrationsjahr: 1853 Zielland: Nordamerica "with nine persons" I also have a copy of his naturalization record with states his birth as Oct. 15, 1815. His death record in the NEGHS does not list his parents. So about a year or so ago I searched the Herztal records with no luck. As you, am guessing that he was not born there, put perhaps in some other area nearby. for Maria Anna Walter emigrated in 1855 from Schutern (Friesenheim) - those records I have not searched yet. so I believe my "association" of Mannle + Mela came from the Immigrant ship records, as even Mannle is mispelled. From the auswander records if Christian did travel with nine others, I am not sure who else they could of been. the "Mela" names seemed the most obvious. Thank you again for your input - this is a great list! back to Schwendemann stuff next week when the FHC is open! Karenq deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com wro > > Dear Wendelin, > Christain Mannle - my mystery man, I have searched the Hertzal > Nussbach registers for him with no luck. You mentioned in one of the > digests his name was in the book in 1853. Below is from the ship > manifest of the Adelaide Metcalf from March 28, 1855. Marianne was his > wife. I believe that the people below him were also Mannle and may of > been the members listed with him on the auswanderer index. I been > able to trace Christian in America, but not the others below. In the > 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. With some of the first names one would of > thought this would be easy. Any thoughts of other versions of first > names? Or where did they go. Christian and Marianne went to Boston. > thank you > Karenq > > > 18 Walter Marianne 26 F Farmer Bade United States > 19* Marmle Christian 32 M Farmer Bade United States 20 Mela Herz 52 M Farmer Bade United States > 21 Mela Hanchen 38 F Farmer Bade United States > 22 Mela Hanchen 10 F Farmer Bade United States > 23 Mela Salomon 8 M Farmer Bade United States > 24 Mela Bertha 8 F Farmer Bade United States > 25 Mela Regina 7 F Farmer Bade United States > 26 Mela Berthold 6 M Farmer Bade United States > 27 Mela Jetta 5 F Farmer Bade United States > 28 Mela Ferdinand 6m M Farmer Bade United States > > >> >> Hello! >> >> Reading the history book of Bottenau "Die dreyherrschaftliche Gemeind >> Bottenau" I read my surname on page 134. It says that Jerg Irslinger >> rented a farm in Bottenau in 1793, apparently in Maisenb?hl >> (Meisenb?hl). I am wondering if he was really an Irslinger or a mistake >> in writing or reading. >> >> Meisenb?hl belongs to the parish Nu?bach. Question: Have the parish >> records of Nu?bach a Familienbuch or at least an index of names? >> Perhaps someone has rented the records of Nu?bach? >> >> Thanks, >> Wendelin >> >> > > > Hello Karen, > > maybe Christian Männle and his wife were not born in the parish Nussbach > but in a neighboring town. It's possible that his emigration > record has any information when and where they were born. > > No, I do not belive the people below him were als Männle at least not > all, I believe their given names are Jewish names: Herz, Hanchen, > Salomon. > > - Wendelin > > On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:57:34 -0800 > Karen Querna <Karen@qualitypumps.com> wrote: > > >> Dear Wendelin, >> Christain Mannle - my mystery man, I have searched the Hertzal >> Nussbach registers for him with no luck. You mentioned in one of the >> digests his name was in the book in 1853. Below is from the ship >> manifest of the Adelaide Metcalf from March 28, 1855. Marianne was >> his wife. I believe that the people below him were also Mannle and >> may of been the members listed with him on the auswanderer index. I >> been able to trace Christian in America, but not the others below. In >> the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. With some of the first names one >> would of thought this would be easy. Any thoughts of other versions >> of first names? Or where did they go. Christian and Marianne went to >> Boston. thank you >> Karenq >> >> >> 18 Walter Marianne 26 F Farmer Bade United >> States 19* Marmle Christian 32 M Farmer Bade >> United States 20 Mela Herz 52 M Farmer >> Bade United States 21 Mela Hanchen 38 F >> Farmer Bade United States 22 Mela Hanchen 10 >> F Farmer Bade United States 23 Mela Salomon >> 8 M Farmer Bade United States 24 Mela >> Bertha 8 F Farmer Bade United States 25 >> Mela Regina 7 F Farmer Bade United States >> 26 Mela Berthold 6 M Farmer Bade United >> States 27 Mela Jetta 5 F Farmer Bade >> United States 28 Mela Ferdinand 6m M Farmer >> Bade United States >> >> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [Ortenau] Herztal > From: > brian@amason.net > Date: > Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:36:40 -0600 (CST) > To: > deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > > To: > deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > > > My wife's side of the tree has family members named Salomon and are not > Jewish, but Lutheran. They are also Swedish though. I do not necessarily > support the idea of setting presumptions of religious affiliation solely > upon names. But I also question the association of the Melas as Mannles, > because of the age of the elder Mennle. At 52, I would have suspected him > to be the head of the household. That is not to say it never happened like > this, but generally when I see a family with a younger male as the > apparent head of the family, the elder male was the father-in-law. > > Brian > > On Sat, February 16, 2008 2:20 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > >> Hello Karen, >> >> maybe Christian Männle and his wife were not born in the parish Nussbach >> but in a neighboring town. It's possible that his emigration >> record has any information when and where they were born. >> >> No, I do not belive the people below him were als Männle at least not >> all, I believe their given names are Jewish names: Herz, Hanchen, >> Salomon. >> >> - Wendelin >> >> On Sat, 16 Feb 2008 11:57:34 -0800 >> Karen Querna <Karen@qualitypumps.com> wrote: >> >> >>> Dear Wendelin, >>> Christain Mannle - my mystery man, I have searched the Hertzal >>> Nussbach registers for him with no luck. You mentioned in one of the >>> digests his name was in the book in 1853. Below is from the ship >>> manifest of the Adelaide Metcalf from March 28, 1855. Marianne was >>> his wife. I believe that the people below him were also Mannle and >>> may of been the members listed with him on the auswanderer index. I >>> been able to trace Christian in America, but not the others below. In >>> the 1860, 1870 and 1880 census. With some of the first names one >>> would of thought this would be easy. Any thoughts of other versions >>> of first names? Or where did they go. Christian and Marianne went to >>> Boston. thank you >>> Karenq >>> >>> >>> 18 Walter Marianne 26 F Farmer Bade United >>> States 19* Marmle Christian 32 M Farmer Bade >>> United States 20 Mela Herz 52 M Farmer >>> Bade United States 21 Mela Hanchen 38 F >>> Farmer Bade United States 22 Mela Hanchen 10 >>> F Farmer Bade United States 23 Mela Salomon >>> 8 M Farmer Bade United States 24 Mela >>> Bertha 8 F Farmer Bade United States 25 >>> Mela Regina 7 F Farmer Bade United States >>> 26 Mela Berthold 6 M Farmer Bade United >>> States 27 Mela Jetta 5 F Farmer Bade >>> United States 28 Mela Ferdinand 6m M Farmer >>> Bade United States >>> >>> >>> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > > > > e