On Thu, April 24, 2008 12:40 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > > >> > What is the difference between Johann and Johannes? Is that like >> > John and Johnathan? > No difference between Johann and Johannes and they were maybe called > Hans. > > > - Wendelin > I have to disagree with the great and wonderful Wendelin on this point. Everything, I've learned of these two names says they are treated very differently. While they are both "John", one is a special version of John, while the other is a plain ordinary John. Just like any good Conspiracy Theory, Johan(n) persons always, as a rule, are part of a three name naming convention (i.e. Johann Sebastian Bach). Whereas Johannes is never, as a rule, accompanied by a second name (i.e. Johannes Kepler). Of course, rules get broken all the time, but this seems to be a pretty firm rule in at least pre-20th Century Germanic nations. This is only a result of my experience, study and research in German genealogy and Wendelin is far more acquainted with all things German than I, and all things genealogical. I would like to know his reasoning for saying there is no difference though, since it is contrary to everything I ever seen, read, or heard regarding those names. Humbly submitted for your approval, Brian

Dear Wendelin, Thank you so much (once again) for replying .... and your help. I appreciate it SO MUCH. Looks like now the family legend was true since it appears we are in the Johannes Martin Stulz line! Happy day. :) All the best to you, you deserve it! ~ Mimi PS - Of course if you come across anything else, I'd LOVE to hear about it! THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU. On Apr 25, 2008, at 12:03 AM, deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz (Wendelin Irslinger) > > From: Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@babbalu.com> > Date: April 24, 2008 10:40:47 AM PDT > To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Cc: donnmimi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz > Reply-To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > > > Hello Mimi, > >>> COULD THESE TWO BE THE SAME PERSON ?????? >> 5548 oo >> Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" > oh yeah seems it is the same person. > >>> Adam Blasius, butcher and host in Ochsen, came back to Kippenheim >>> about >>> 1704. Married Anna Barbara Moser about 1704. 16.9.1667 >>> > I have that additional information from the historical supplement of a > newspaper "Der Altvater" > Maybe he did marry in Schlettstadt/Sélestat, Alsace? > > The author of the kinship book couldn't find that information in the > parish records. > >>> What is the difference between Johann and Johannes? Is that like >>> John and Johnathan? > No difference between Johann and Johannes and they were maybe called > Hans. > > > - Wendelin > > > >

Hello Mimi, > > COULD THESE TWO BE THE SAME PERSON ?????? > 5548 oo > Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" oh yeah seems it is the same person. >> Adam Blasius, butcher and host in Ochsen, came back to Kippenheim >> about >> 1704. Married Anna Barbara Moser about 1704. 16.9.1667 >> I have that additional information from the historical supplement of a newspaper "Der Altvater" Maybe he did marry in Schlettstadt/Sélestat, Alsace? The author of the kinship book couldn't find that information in the parish records. > > What is the difference between Johann and Johannes? Is that like > > John and Johnathan? No difference between Johann and Johannes and they were maybe called Hans. - Wendelin

> Wendelin, > > COULD THESE TWO BE THE SAME PERSON ?????? > What do you think? Possible? You say the family left > Kippenheim and then returned. Maybe they didn't match > Blasius up as being Johannes Martin's son??? Am I grasping > at straws? > > > 5548 oo > Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" > who married before 1704 > Anna Barbara Moser (Moßer) > Catholic > 5 children: > Matthias <5555, 5564> > Benedict <5556, 5557> > Franz Joseph 28.12.1703, + 18.3.1759, unmarried miller > Maria Anna 18.4.1713 > Franz Carl <5553> > > > >> >> Child of Johannes Martin Stulz (Catholic) married 27.12.1666 in >> Kippenheim Anna >> Maria Kirschner (Catholic) (+ 30.9.1680) >> >> Adam Blasius, butcher and host in Ochsen, came back to Kippenheim >> about >> 1704. Married Anna Barbara Moser about 1704. 16.9.1667 >> > > (If these ARE the same person then it would put my line in the same > family > of these tailors I've been searching because of our family legend.) > But I > don't want to jump to conclusions. > > I was wondering about these naming patterns. It appears often that > more > than one child has the same (what we would call 'first' name) and > different > middle name. I would surmise that they would go by the middle name. > > What is the difference between Johann and Johannes? Is that like > John and Johnathan? > > Thanks so much for all your help and advice! > > Mimi

Pat: > I have a Katharina Gänßhirt, born in Kippenheim on 6 Mar 1686...she > > I also have an Anna Maria Gänßhirt, who married Salomon Hertenstein > > In the information that you sent to me on Apr 17th, I was missing the > information on Catharina Nickert (4106) and Catharina Keller > (6192).....might you have anything on these women? no, sorry. - Wendelin

Mimi: Johannes Martin Stulz (Catholic) married 27.12.1666 in Kippenheim Anna Maria Kirschner (Catholic) (+ 30.9.1680) - here parents were Conrad Kirschner, Gerichtsmann, and Anna Maria Bechtle. It is said that Johannes Martin Stulz went with his family to Schlettstadt (Alsace) End of the 18. century because of the war. There children were: Adam Blasius, butcher and host in Ochsen, came back to Kippenheim about 1704. Married Anna Barbara Moser about 1704. Maria Ursula (+ 29.4.1704) oo 1697 Kippenheim Johann Michael Elison Hans Conrad, shoemaker, came back to Kippenheim. Married 14.1.1704 Anna Maria Weber. Johannes Martin, daylaborer, came back to Kippenheim. Married 4.2.1715 Anna Maria Baumer. Johannes Martin Stulz, host "zum Bär" later Ochsen, married 2nd 30.6.1681 Agatha Reinecker, daughter of Christoph Reinecker and Margaretha from Appenweier. There children were: Johann Michael Johann Michael, baker, came back to Kippenheim. Married about 1725 Maria Magdalena Legler. Anna Maria, stayed in Alsace. Johann Georg, butcher, stayed in Alsace. He married on 26.4.1718 in Saint Dié with Jeanne Gerard and 22.4.1728 with Ann Grandidier. Franz, stayed in Alsace. Maria Franziska (* 1697), stayed in Alsace. One Stulz who came from Schlettstadt with his wife to Kippenheim was Johann Georg Stulz. I believe that one of his grandson was Dr. Joseph Stulz (* 1872). He was a philosopher and lived some years in the US, wrote a book about the history of USA and died in Peking (China) in 1940. 5542 oo 27.12.1666 Johann Martin Stulz <oo II see 5546>, citizen in Kippenheim, turn Catholic Anna Maria Kirchner (Kirschner, Kürschner) <from 2968>, + 30.9.1680 Catholic 4 children: Adam Blasius 16.9.1667 Maria Ursula <897> Hans Conrad <5551> Johann Martin <5552> 5546 oo 30.6.1681 Johannes Martin Stulz <oo I see 5542>, host "Zum Ochsen" Agatha Reinecker <daughter of Christophorus Reinecker, citizen in Appenweier> Catholic 6 children: Johann Michael 19.6.1682 Johann Michael <5554> Anna Maria 19.6.1686 Johann Georg 20.2.1691 Franciscus 26.2.1696 Maria Francisca 11.5.1697 - Wendelin On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 11:54:02 -0700 Mimi Stevens <donnmimi@gmail.com> wrote: > Wendelin, > > How can I be so bold as to ask for anything more after > you have helped me so much? > > I have attempted to order the Kinship book for Kippeheim > from my local FHC and it is 'restricted'. The people at > the library did not know why. > > I am really flustered as to what to do next, except to > ask, once again for your assistance. > > I found an on line family tree at Ancestry.com and left a > message for the person who posted it, but have not heard > back from them. Their tree is unsourced. > > They have the following information that looks like it > could be 'close' to mine. > > Adam Blasius Stulz > b. 1677 Kippeheim > (no further information) > > son of: > Johannes Martin Stulz > b. abt 1642, of Kippeheim > m. 1) Anna Maria Kirchner > b. 1645 d. 1680 > children: > Conrad (d. 1761), m. Anna Maria Weber > Johann Martin, m. Anna Maria Brunner > Adam Blasius > Maria Ursula (1669-1704), m. Johann Michael Elison > > m. 2) Agatha Reinecker > b. 1656 > children: > Johann Michael (d. 1756) m. Magdalena Legler > Johann Michael (1682-1684) > Anna Maria (1686-) > Johann Georg (1691-) > Franz Carl (1696-) m. Anna Maria Krechtler > Maria Francisca (1697-) > > Would it be possible for you to send me the Johann Martin > (5542,5546) line? It appears both Johann Georg (Baron of Ortenberg) > and Johann (of 5583) the 'other' tailor in England are from this same > line. It is just so difficult for me to let 150 years of family lore > (the "Uncle" story) go without trying to investigate just a little > further and try to > make a connection. > > I completely understand if you say no. > > I wish there was some way I could reciprocate ........ > > Once again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your help.

Hello Wendelin, Thank you very much for checking this out for me. You are very special and I appreciate your kindness very much. Gratefully, Best wishes to you and your family, Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wendelin Irslinger" <genealogy@babbalu.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Cc: "Pat Zipf" <patzipf@comcast.net>; <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 55 Pat: > I have a Katharina Gänßhirt, born in Kippenheim on 6 Mar 1686...she > > I also have an Anna Maria Gänßhirt, who married Salomon Hertenstein > > In the information that you sent to me on Apr 17th, I was missing the > information on Catharina Nickert (4106) and Catharina Keller > (6192).....might you have anything on these women? no, sorry. - Wendelin

Hello Mimi, I, too, attempted to order the film for the Kippenheim book from the LDS Family history center near me. I was told the same thing. It isn't the Kippenheim book....but something else that is also on the same film reel....so that is why it can't be sent. I was so disappointed and upset. That is why Wendelin's help is so invaluable to us both. It means so much. I wish only good things for Wendelin too. He is sooooo very very kind to give of himself. I know that you and I appreciate it more than we can say and that 'thanks' doesn't seem anywhere near enough for the help he offers. Wishing you every success in your searches.... All the best, "Cousin?" Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mimi Stevens" <donnmimi@gmail.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 2:54 PM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz > Wendelin, > > How can I be so bold as to ask for anything more after > you have helped me so much? > > I have attempted to order the Kinship book for Kippeheim > from my local FHC and it is 'restricted'. The people at > the library did not know why. > > I am really flustered as to what to do next, except to > ask, once again for your assistance. > > I found an on line family tree at Ancestry.com and left a > message for the person who posted it, but have not heard > back from them. Their tree is unsourced. > > They have the following information that looks like it > could be 'close' to mine. > > Adam Blasius Stulz > b. 1677 Kippeheim > (no further information) > > son of: > Johannes Martin Stulz > b. abt 1642, of Kippeheim > m. 1) Anna Maria Kirchner > b. 1645 d. 1680 > children: > Conrad (d. 1761), m. Anna Maria Weber > Johann Martin, m. Anna Maria Brunner > Adam Blasius > Maria Ursula (1669-1704), m. Johann Michael Elison > > m. 2) Agatha Reinecker > b. 1656 > children: > Johann Michael (d. 1756) m. Magdalena Legler > Johann Michael (1682-1684) > Anna Maria (1686-) > Johann Georg (1691-) > Franz Carl (1696-) m. Anna Maria Krechtler > Maria Francisca (1697-) > > Would it be possible for you to send me the Johann Martin (5542,5546) > line? It appears both Johann Georg (Baron of Ortenberg) and Johann (of > 5583) the 'other' tailor in England are from this same line. > It is just so difficult for me to let 150 years of family lore (the > "Uncle" story) go without trying to investigate just a little further and > try to > make a connection. > > I completely understand if you say no. > > I wish there was some way I could reciprocate ........ > > Once again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your help. > > >

Hello Wendelin, Mimi and my fellow listers, Many of us on the List seem to have the same families on our Tree! I see that Mimi and I both have Stulz, Gänßhirt, and Schmidt. I know that Wendelin and my family have many lines in common as we have discovered over the last few years. Again, I thank you most sincerely Wendelin for your help always. You seem to be our 'bridge' to the land of our ancestors. I have been going over the info you sent to me and also what you sent to Mimi. I have a couple of questions that I hope you can answer for me, Wendelin. I have a Katharina Gänßhirt, born in Kippenheim on 6 Mar 1686...she married Andreas Zipff, date unknown. The Kippenheimweiler OSB has her parents as Hans Georg Gänßhirt and Anna Margaretha Lux. Do you have anything more on this line in your records? I see in Mimi's information, a couple of Johann Georg (1163 and 1386) though there are no dates given so I don't know if this is my Hans Georg. I also have an Anna Maria Gänßhirt, who married Salomon Hertenstein of Kippenheimweiler on 10 Nov 1698. She was the daughter of Georg Gänßhirt (the younger?). Can you fill in any gaps with this family? In the information that you sent to me on Apr 17th, I was missing the information on Catharina Nickert (4106) and Catharina Keller (6192).....might you have anything on these women? You are truly a blessing to us all, Wendelin....and I'm sure everyone on the List will agree with me wholeheartedly. You break down 'brickwalls' for us all the time. I always pray that your kindness and caring will be returned to you by others many times over and over. Best regards to all, Pat Zipf ----- Original Message ----- From: <deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com> To: <deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 3:03 AM Subject: DEU-BAD-ORTENAU Digest, Vol 3, Issue 55 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: kinship book for Kippenheim (Mimi Stevens) > 2. Re: kinship book for Kippenheim (Wendelin Irslinger) > 3. Re: kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz (Wendelin Irslinger) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU list administrator, send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the DEU-BAD-ORTENAU mailing list, send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Wendelin, How can I be so bold as to ask for anything more after you have helped me so much? I have attempted to order the Kinship book for Kippeheim from my local FHC and it is 'restricted'. The people at the library did not know why. I am really flustered as to what to do next, except to ask, once again for your assistance. I found an on line family tree at Ancestry.com and left a message for the person who posted it, but have not heard back from them. Their tree is unsourced. They have the following information that looks like it could be 'close' to mine. Adam Blasius Stulz b. 1677 Kippeheim (no further information) son of: Johannes Martin Stulz b. abt 1642, of Kippeheim m. 1) Anna Maria Kirchner b. 1645 d. 1680 children: Conrad (d. 1761), m. Anna Maria Weber Johann Martin, m. Anna Maria Brunner Adam Blasius Maria Ursula (1669-1704), m. Johann Michael Elison m. 2) Agatha Reinecker b. 1656 children: Johann Michael (d. 1756) m. Magdalena Legler Johann Michael (1682-1684) Anna Maria (1686-) Johann Georg (1691-) Franz Carl (1696-) m. Anna Maria Krechtler Maria Francisca (1697-) Would it be possible for you to send me the Johann Martin (5542,5546) line? It appears both Johann Georg (Baron of Ortenberg) and Johann (of 5583) the 'other' tailor in England are from this same line. It is just so difficult for me to let 150 years of family lore (the "Uncle" story) go without trying to investigate just a little further and try to make a connection. I completely understand if you say no. I wish there was some way I could reciprocate ........ Once again, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all your help.

Hello Brenda, that's the advantage of such little mailinglists: it's always possible to find a cousin. - Wendelin On Thu, 17 Apr 2008 14:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Brenda Hebert <brenhebert@yahoo.com> wrote: > Wow! Danke schön, Wendelin for replying on the list! I connect with > the Gänshirt line. I remembered I had a Kippenheim line, but I hadn't > researched this line in such a long time that I couldn't remember > which family came from Kippenheim. > ...

Mimi: I just noticed an error in the data. There is a reference to No. 1877 which should be 1377. The Stulz names begin with No. 5536a Sebastian Stultz who had 2 sons: Sebastian <5538, 5539, 5544> and Andreas <5440, 5441> No. 5537 is Anthon Stultz who married in 1627 No. 5538, 5539, 5544 Sebastian Stultz (* 1612), son of No. 5536a No. 5540, 5541 is Andreas Stultz (* 1615), son of No. 5536a No. 5542, 5546 is Johann Martin Stultz who married in 1666 No. 5543 is Mathis Stultz who came maybe from Sulz and married before 1669 No. 5547 is Heinrich Stulz who married in 1682 No. 5548 is Blasius Stulz who married before 1704 No. 5549 is Sebastian Stultz who came from Schmieheim and married in 1693 So the oldest Stulz were Sebastian and Anthon. The next 2 were sons of Sebastian. And then 3 Stulz with unkown parents: Johann Martin, Heinrich, Blasius. Maybe they were from neigboring towns like Mathis Stultz from Sulz and Sebastian Stultz from Schmieheim. The religion after the wife means the religion of the whole family, I assume since the marriage because some were born with another religion. Yes, I noticed some Protestant men married Catholic women and the children were Protestants. But I also know that some Stulz men changed their religion from Protestant to Catholic so I assume there was no special rule. I don't know how large Kippenheim was in the 17th or 18th century. When you want to know the number of inhabitants in the 19th century you could visit: http://ortenau.genealogy-bw.de/index.php?n=Ortenau.Kippenheim Christian Sütterlin wrote some histories about the towns in that area, not all were published as books. He wrote one for Kippenheim but I couldn't find a copy except a xerocopy in the library in Karlsruhe: Kippenheim, der südwestdeutsche Marktflecken im Wandel der Jahrhunderte. 1953. 226 pages. A newer published book is: Walter Staudenmeyer: Ein Streifzug durch die Geschichte von A bis Z (Kippenheim und Schmieheim). 382 pages. Johann Stulz (ca. 1788-1849 England) unkown brother, his son Christian in St. Petersburg Elisabeth oo I Dr. Nicola from Mannheim oo II Schoeffle or Schaeffle Anna Maria oo Schmelzer Okay, that is maybe the following family (but his earliest Stulz ancestor is no. 5542): 5583 oo 7.11.1774 Johann Jacob Stulz <from 5563>, master tailor, * 5.10.1747, + 26.2.1814 Maria Elisabeth Gäßler <from 1432>, * (17.6.1749), + 1.4.1845 Protestant 7 children: Johann Jacob 28.10.1775, + Travemünde 30.9.1815 "on the travel from Petersburg to his home country" Johann Christian 21.12.1777, + 18.4.1781 Elisabetha <4672> [seems she married someone with surname Sch...] Anna Maria <5609> Anna Catharina 6.11.1785 Johannes 1.1.1788 Barbara <5619> 5609 Anna Maria Stulz <from 5583>, protestant, * 5.2.1783 1 child: Christian Stulz 16.2.1808 - Wendelin On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:19:19 -0700 Mimi Stevens <donnmimi@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wendelin, first of all, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all this new > > information! > I really appreciate the trouble you went to, not only looking it all > up, but > then typing it too. > > I have a few questions. > > 1) I notice there are a few Stulz families (if not > several) in Kippenheim. Is it likely that somewhere back in time most > are related, or is Stulz a common name in Germany? > > 2) How far back do the books go? > > 3) How large was Kippenheim in the 1600s, 1700s and 1800s? Is there > a place to look up the history of the area? > > 4) I noticed for most of the marriages it lists a religion after the > wife. > Does that mean SHE was that religion, or that the family is that > religion? > What was the common practice - to be the husband's or the wife's - or > were they probably the same (meaning not likely that they were mixed > marriages?) > > 5) Maybe there isn't a connection to Johann Georg Stulz baron of > Ortenberg > ............ but I wonder if there is a connection to another > tailor, John (Johann?) Stulz > b. abt 1788 (denization papers from England say Kippenheim) d. 1849 > England > m. 1) ? 2) Sophia Ray no biological children, one adopted daughter > His mother died in 1845. > John's siblings. > -Male, name unknown, son Christian ... ties to St. Petersburg? > -Elizabeth m. 1) Dr. Nicola of Manheim (d. bef. 1848) 2) Schoeffle > or Schaeffle > -Anna Maria m. Schmelzer, children Charles, Carl, Carolina > Sorry to be so vague, but we have this family story that has been > consistent > in it's telling that there was this Uncle John who was a tailor, > etc, etc. > The time frame doesn't fit for the Baron (because he died before the > family > even emigrated to the United States). > > Is there anyone else out there researching Stulz ? > > Thanks again, Wendelin. You're great! > > - Mimi

> Wendelin, first of all, THANK YOU SO MUCH for all this new > information! I really appreciate the trouble you went to, not only looking it all up, but then typing it too. I have a few questions. 1) I notice there are a few Stulz families (if not several) in Kippenheim. Is it likely that somewhere back in time most are related, or is Stulz a common name in Germany? 2) How far back do the books go? 3) How large was Kippenheim in the 1600s, 1700s and 1800s? Is there a place to look up the history of the area? 4) I noticed for most of the marriages it lists a religion after the wife. Does that mean SHE was that religion, or that the family is that religion? What was the common practice - to be the husband's or the wife's - or were they probably the same (meaning not likely that they were mixed marriages?) 5) Maybe there isn't a connection to Johann Georg Stulz baron of Ortenberg ............ but I wonder if there is a connection to another tailor, John (Johann?) Stulz b. abt 1788 (denization papers from England say Kippenheim) d. 1849 England m. 1) ? 2) Sophia Ray no biological children, one adopted daughter His mother died in 1845. John's siblings. -Male, name unknown, son Christian ... ties to St. Petersburg? -Elizabeth m. 1) Dr. Nicola of Manheim (d. bef. 1848) 2) Schoeffle or Schaeffle -Anna Maria m. Schmelzer, children Charles, Carl, Carolina Sorry to be so vague, but we have this family story that has been consistent in it's telling that there was this Uncle John who was a tailor, etc, etc. The time frame doesn't fit for the Baron (because he died before the family even emigrated to the United States). Is there anyone else out there researching Stulz ? Thanks again, Wendelin. You're great! - Mimi > > From: Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@babbalu.com> > Date: April 17, 2008 10:46:24 AM PDT > To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > Cc: donnmimi@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz > Reply-To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com > > > Hello Mimi, > > please let me know if I have forgotten a name. The earliest Stulz > ancestor of Johann Georg Stulz baron of Ortenberg has the number > 5542 and yours has the number 5548 so we don't know how they were > related. >

Hello Mimi, please let me know if I have forgotten a name. The earliest Stulz ancestor of Johann Georg Stulz baron of Ortenberg has the number 5542 and yours has the number 5548 so we don't know how they were related. 5564 oo 29.7.1748 Matthias Stultz <oo I see 5555> Maria Magdalena Schiener (Schiner, Schöner, Schüner) <daughter of Abraham Sch.>, * about 1721, + 8.2.1790 Protestant 5 children: Andreas 1.5.1749, + 12.5.1749 Johannes <5588> Andreas <5589> Michael 3.10.1755, + 15.8.1764 Friedrich 21.1.1758, + 31.1.1762 5555 oo Matthias Stultz <from 5548; oo II see 5564>, farmer, * (28.12.1704), + 2.9.1786 Barbara Holderer (Holder), + 21.2.1748 Protestant 6 children: Anna Maria 7.5.1730 ("geboren in der 40. Wochen nach der Copulation"), + 17.5.1730 Johann Jacob <5570> Johann 15.3.1733 Matthias <5572> A boy 19.4.1740, + 25.4.1740 Barbara <6076> 5548 oo Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" Anna Barbara Moser (Moßer) Catholic 5 children: Matthias <5555, 5564> Benedict <5556, 5557> Franz Joseph 28.12.1703, + 18.3.1759, unmarried miller Maria Anna 18.4.1713 Franz Carl <5553> 1377 oo Martin Gänßhirt <from 1370; oo II see 1380>, farmer, * about 1727, + 29.5.1799 Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; see also 4905>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Protestant 5 children: Anna Maria <5589> Elisabetha 23.12.1758 Barbara <4770> Maria Magdalena <4771> Catharina <3497> 1380 oo 7.11.1768 Martin Gänßhirt <oo I see 1377> Maria Elisabetha Schillinger <from 4769>, * 8.5.1741, + 12.2.1814 Protestant 5 children: Simon 14.9.1769, + 25.1.1772 Ursula 30.5.1772, + 19.4.1775 Susanna <6338> Johann Georg <1386> Ursula 14.1.1779 1370 oo 14.9.1720 Simon Gänßhirt <son of Martin G., in Mahlberg, and of Barbara nee Holderer, see OSB Mahlberg-Orschweier 780>, farmer in Kippenheim, * Mahlberg 30.10.1687 Walburgis Schmidt <oo I see 3576>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 9 children: Johannes 1721 Barbara 1723 Simon 9.1.1725 Elisabetha 14.11.1726 Martin <1877, 1380> Elisabetha 1729 Maria Magdalena <5764> Johann Georg <1163> Maria Magdalena 8.3.1735 3576 oo Hans Georg Leppert, master Walpurg Schmidt <oo II 1370>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 2 children: Andreas <3584> Anna Ursula 26.11.1719 4901 oo Andreas Schmidt, citizen in Kippenheim, + 24.1.1766 Catharina Kromer, + 23.12.1770 Catholic 6 children: Maria Anna <4905, 1877> Ursula <5851> Anna Margaretha 6.5.1731 Johann Georg 6.4.1737 Johann Jacob <4916> Ottilia 8.8.1743 4905 Martin Unterstock, citizen in Ostheim in Alsace, <oo ...> Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; oo see 1777>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Catholic 1 child: Catharina + 24.3.1754 (5 weeks old) Mahlberg: --------- 780 oo 25.10.1685 Martin Gänßhirt, in Mahlberg Barbara Holderer <from 1291>, * 20.3.1665, + 20.10.1733 Protestant 6 children: Ursula <2501> Simon 30.10.1687 Anna Maria 23.1.1691 Martin <786> Anna Barbara 15...1701 Hans Georg 1291 oo Martin Holderer, citizen in Mahlberg Ursula Schätzlin Protestant 1 child: Barbara <780> - Wendelin

Hello Pat, I forgot to notice the data of the ancestors of Catharina Nickert. 149 oo Michael Baum, farmer, * about 1719, + 4.1.1799 Anna Maria Hertenstein, * (10.2.1726), + 10.4.1787 Protestant 6 children: Johannes 5.1.1746, + 2.7.1811 Philipp <152> Johann Friedrich 20.9.1748 Michael <153> Johann Georg 14.6.1759, + 14.6.1759 Anna Maria 3.1.1761, + Kippenheimweiler 21.2.1814 <oo Kippenheim 28.1.1782 with Johannes Fleig, farmer in Kippenheimweiler, see OSB Kippenheimweiler 113> 4686 oo 15.1.1776 Jacob Schaffhauser (Schafhauser) <from 4683>, farmer, * 9.10.1746, + 30.12.1813 Anna Maria Schmid <from 4907>, * 14.1.1757, + 18.5.1845 Protestant 4 children: Jacob <4688> Johann Friedrich <4689> Anna Maria <5229> Catharina 18.1.1787, + Kippenheimweiler 22.12.1853, <oo I Kippenheimweiler 7.1.1812 with Andreas Siefert, farmer, see OSB Kippenheimweiler 768; oo II Kippenheimweiler 5.1.1830 with Georg Melchert, see OSB Kippenheimweiler 585> 4683 oo Jacob Schaffhauser (Schafhauser) <from 4682>, master cartwright, * about 1712, + 6.1.1791 Eva Hürster, * about 1713, + 20.7.1789 Protestant 4 children: Johannes <4685> Andreas 25.6.1741 Jacob <4686> Anna Maria + 17.11.1749 (7 weeks old) 4682 oo 31.1.1701 Johann Georg Schaffhauser (Schaffhaußer) <son of Georg Sch., citizen in Nimburg>, carter and cartwright, + (before 1758) Anna Maria Schmidt Nimburg>(Schmid) <from 4877>, * 25.4.1680, + 24.7.1758 Protestant 6 children: Johann Georg 16.12.1701 (private baptism), + 2.1.1702 Johannes 14.1.1703 Hans Georg <4684> Anna Barbara * on month after the 20th Trin. 1707, + 14.8.1758, unmarried Jacob <4683> Anna Maria * Nonnenweier 14.3.1718 (see OSB Nonnenweier 2299> 4877 oo 1669 Daniel Schmidt <from 4874>, * 1645, + 16.11.1728 Anna Stultz <from 5538>, * 31.3.1648, + 24.6.1694 Protestant 7 children: Susanna 2.8.1670 Anna Margaretha * in January 1674 Anna Maria <4682> Catharina 15.2.1682, + 18.6.1682 Daniel 10.9.1684, + 24.5.1696 Maria Ursula <3116> Johannes 6.1.1691 4874 oo 1640 Hieronymus Schmidt <oo I see 4873> Anna Steger <daughter of Georg Steger in Lahr and of Christina nee Müller> <oo I with Samuel Knecht>, * 1611, + 12.2.1684 Protestant 3 children Susanna <2218> Daniel <4877> Maria <1546> 4873 oo 1639 Hieronymus Schmidt <from 4872, oo II see 4874>, * 1618, + Haslach im Kinzigtal (in the inn) 14.2.1682 Ursula Holderer <from 2318a>, + 1639 ("durch Unglück im Rhein ertrunken") Protestant Zum Sterbeeintrag des Hieronymus Schmidt: "hat sich den 14.2.1682 zu Haslach im Wirtshaus zu Nacht mit dem eigenen Messer in den Hals gestochen, daß er gestorben, darzu getrieben von seinem bösen aufgebrachten nagenden Gewissen, das ihm nirgends keine Ruhe gelassen". Zum Sterbeeintrag der Ehefrau 1639 heißt es im Kirchenbuch von Altenheim: "ist ein Oberlendisches Schiff untergangen zwischen Ichenheim und Altenheim im Rhein, darauff sind etliche Leute von Kippenheim und Mahlberg gewesen; sind etliche ertrunken, darunter ist gewesen Ursula Heldin, des Hieronymus Schmidts von Kippenheim, ehelich Haußfraw, welche von unsern Fischern gefunden und in unserm Kirchhoff ist begraben worden" (Name der Frau richtig Holderer) 4872 oo Daniel Schmidt, baker Anna Heppler Protestant 3 children: Hieronymus <4873, 4874> Maria <1239> Daniel * about 1625, citizen and wine-grower in Mietersheim, + Mietersheim 11.3.1697, <oo Mietersheim 28.5.1655 with Margaretha Hartmann, see OSB Mietersheim 1651> 5538 oo 1633 Sebastian Stultz <from 5536a; oo II, III 5539, 5544>, 21 Jahre lang Gerichtsbote, * 10.12.1612, * 2.2.1691 Catharina Keller <oo I see 6192a> Protestant 4 children: Johann Jacob, died as child Maria <8, 3865> Andreas <5545> Anna, died as child Anna <4877> 5539 oo Sebastian Stultz <oo I, III see 5538, 5544> Margaretha Seuberlin <daughter of Mathias S.>, * (before 1671) Protestant all 4 children died 5544 oo 1671 Sebastian Stultz <oo I, II see 5538, 5539> Maria Kleinmann <daughter of Matthias K., farmer in Sulz-Langenhard; oo I with Jacob Müllerleile, in Sulz-Langenhard; oo II Mietersheim 17.8.1657 with Jacob Schmidt, citizen in Mietersheim, see OSB Mietersheim 1652; oo III with Joseph Unterberger, citizen und tanner in Lahr>, * 1619, + 19.8.1685 Protestant 5536a oo Sebastian Stultz Anna Hertenstein Protestant 2 children: Sebastian <5538, 5539, 5544> Andreas <5540, 5541> 4907 oo 26.1.1756 Jacob Schmidt <from 4898>, farmer, * 31.3.1730, + 25.2.1792 Catharina Nickert <from 4106>, * 11.11.1727, + 28.1.1809 Protestant 6 children: Anna Maria <4686> Catharina 7.3.1758, + 1.4.1758 Maria Magdalena 24.1.1759, + 23.8.1759 Ursula <153> Johann Friedrich 11.1.1763 Jacob <4929, 4930> 4898 oo Johannes (Hans) Schmidt Susanna Hertenstein Protestant 3 children: Jacob <4907> Anna Maria <4909> Maria Anna 2.3.1739, + 25.3.1740 4106 - Wendelin On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 10:12:35 -0400 "Pat Zipf" <patzipf@comcast.net> wrote: > Hello Wendelin, > > You have been so kind to help me with our other connected lines in > the past. Hope that you will look for two of my names in the > Kippenheim book when you look for Mimi. > > I am looking for an entry for Michael Baum of Kippenheim....father of > Anna Maria Baum born 3 Jan 1761. > > Also for Jakob Schafhauser and his wife Anna Maria Schmidt....who had > a child Katharina on 18 Jan 1787. > > I am hoping that you will find the answers to these brick walls of > mine. > > Hope this finds you and your family well. > Many thanks for all your help. > Best wishes, > Pat

Wow! Danke schön, Wendelin for replying on the list! I connect with the Gänshirt line. I remembered I had a Kippenheim line, but I hadn't researched this line in such a long time that I couldn't remember which family came from Kippenheim. My great-great-great grandmother, Helena Tascher and three of her brothers were born and raised in Friesenheim, and immigrated to the United States in the 1800s. Their connection to the Gänshirt line in Kippenheim is as follows (as I currently have it -- I haven't added Wendelin's information from the Kippenheim Ortssippenbuch -- most of the information is from Ortssippenbuch Friesenheim): Ancestors of Helena Tascher Generation No. 1 1. Helena Tascher, born 10 Aug 1837 in Friesenheim; died 18 Jun 1918 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois. She was the daughter of 2. Andreas Tascher and 3. Katharina Gänshirt. She married (1) Christian A. Merkle 19 Jun 1858 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois. He was born 20 Dec 1826 in Tomerdingen, Baden-Württemberg, Germany, and died 10 Jan 1911 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois. He was the son of Michael Merkle and Barbara Sailer. More About Christian A. Merkle: Immigrated: 26 May 1854, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on the Manchester Generation No. 2 2. Andreas Tascher, born 14 Jul 1793 in Friesenheim; died 20 Apr 1853 in Friesenheim. He was the son of 4. Andreas Tascher and 5. Salome Bähr. He married 3. Katharina Gänshirt 13 Jul 1830 in Friesenheim. 3. Katharina Gänshirt, born 09 Oct 1804 in Friesenheim; died 01 May 1847 in Friesenheim. She was the daughter of 6. Johann Gänshirt and 7. Katharina Herzog. Children of Andreas Tascher and Katharina Gänshirt are: i. Georg Tascher, born 10 Apr 1831 in Friesenheim; died in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois; married Magdalena Müller 28 Dec 1863 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois. ii. Elisabeth Tascher, born 10 Feb 1833 in Friesenheim; died 23 Feb 1833 in Friesenheim. iii. Andreas Tascher IV, born 27 Jan 1834 in Friesenheim; died 07 Aug 1916 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois; married (1) Eliza Marti 28 Jul 1873 in Iroquois County, Illinois; born in Switzerland; died Jan 1875; married (2) Isabella F. Sims 09 Dec 1875 in Iroquois County, Illinois; born in Augusta County, Virginia. iv. Christian Friedrich Tascher, born 14 Nov 1835 in Friesenheim; died 25 Mar 1918 in Ashkum, Iroquois, Illinois; married Maria Hammerle 18 Feb 1868 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois; born Abt. 1843 in Württemberg, Germany; died 05 Jul 1919 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois. v. Helena Tascher, born 10 Aug 1837 in Friesenheim; died 18 Jun 1918 in Danforth, Iroquois, Illinois; married Christian A. Merkle 19 Jun 1858 in Peoria, Peoria, Illinois. vi. Karolina Tascher, born 19 Dec 1839 in Friesenheim; married Jacob Blohorn 1860 in Lahr, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. vii. Luise Tascher, born 09 Apr 1843 in Friesenheim; died 08 Mar 1916 in Schnönau/Chemnitz, Germany; married David Sohn 06 Dec 1866 in Friesenheim; born 01 Nov 1841 in Friesenheim; died 25 Jan 1900 in Friesenheim. viii. Jakob Tascher, born 13 Sep 1845 in Friesenheim; died 29 Sep 1903 in Friesenheim; married Katharina Erb 31 Jan 1870 in Friesenheim; born 23 Jun 1848 in Friesenheim; died 25 Jun 1914 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 3 6. Johann Gänshirt, born 11 Feb 1777 in Friesenheim; died 06 Jul 1844 in Friesenheim. He was the son of 12. Simon Gänshirt and 13. Katharina Braun. He married 7. Katharina Herzog 09 Jan 1804 in Friesenheim. 7. Katharina Herzog, born 11 Oct 1786; died 08 Feb 1852 in Friesenheim. She was the daughter of 14. Jakob Herzog and 15. Magdalena Engel. Children of Johann Gänshirt and Katharina Herzog are: i. Katharina Gänshirt, born 09 Oct 1804 in Friesenheim; died 01 May 1847 in Friesenheim; married Andreas Tascher 13 Jul 1830 in Friesenheim. ii. Johann Gänshirt, born 20 May 1807 in Friesenheim; died 26 Jul 1811 in Friesenheim. iii. Johann Gänshirt, born 07 Feb 1814 in Friesenheim; married Aus 1660. iv. Simon Gänshirt, born 19 Oct 1816 in Friesenheim; died 10 Mar 1848 in Friesenheim. v. Magdalena Gänshirt, born 19 May 1820 in Friesenheim; married Johannes Erb; born 17 Feb 1822 in Friesenheim; died 08 Jun 1900 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 4 12. Simon Gänshirt, born 03 Jan 1725 in Kippenheim, Germany; died 06 Mar 1790 in Friesenheim. He was the son of 24. Simon Gänshirt and 25. Walpurgis Schmidt. He married 13. Katharina Braun 08 May 1769 in Friesenheim. 13. Katharina Braun, born 16 Feb 1746 in Friesenheim; died 17 Aug 1784 in Friesenheim. She was the daughter of 26. Johann Georg Braun and 27. Magdalena Bähr. Child of Simon Gänshirt and Katharina Braun is: i. Johann Gänshirt, born 11 Feb 1777 in Friesenheim; died 06 Jul 1844 in Friesenheim; married Katharina Herzog 09 Jan 1804 in Friesenheim. 14. Jakob Herzog He married 15. Magdalena Engel. 15. Magdalena Engel Child of Jakob Herzog and Magdalena Engel is: i. Katharina Herzog, born 11 Oct 1786; died 08 Feb 1852 in Friesenheim; married Johann Gänshirt 09 Jan 1804 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 5 24. Simon Gänshirt, born 30 Oct 1687 in Mahlberg, Germany. He was the son of 48. Martin Gänshirt and 49. Barbara Holderer. He married 25. Walpurgis Schmidt. 25. Walpurgis Schmidt Child of Simon Gänshirt and Walpurgis Schmidt is: i. Simon Gänshirt, born 03 Jan 1725 in Kippenheim, Germany; died 06 Mar 1790 in Friesenheim; married Katharina Braun 08 May 1769 in Friesenheim. Generation No. 6 48. Martin Gänshirt He married 49. Barbara Holderer 25 Oct 1685. 49. Barbara Holderer, born 20 Mar 1665 in Mahlberg, Baden-Württemberg, Germany; died 20 Oct 1733 in Mahlberg, Baden-Württemberg, Germany. She was the daughter of 98. Martin Holderer and 99. Ursula Schätzlin. Child of Martin Gänshirt and Barbara Holderer is: i. Simon Gänshirt, born 30 Oct 1687 in Mahlberg, Germany; married Walpurgis Schmidt. http://www.myspace.com/brendahebert http://daSinga.crazyguyonabike.com ----- Original Message ---- From: Wendelin Irslinger <genealogy@babbalu.com> To: deu-bad-ortenau@rootsweb.com Cc: donnmimi@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 10:46:24 AM Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz Hello Mimi, please let me know if I have forgotten a name. The earliest Stulz ancestor of Johann Georg Stulz baron of Ortenberg has the number 5542 and yours has the number 5548 so we don't know how they were related. 5564 oo 29.7.1748 Matthias Stultz <oo I see 5555> Maria Magdalena Schiener (Schiner, Schöner, Schüner) <daughter of Abraham Sch.>, * about 1721, + 8.2.1790 Protestant 5 children: Andreas 1.5.1749, + 12.5.1749 Johannes <5588> Andreas <5589> Michael 3.10.1755, + 15.8.1764 Friedrich 21.1.1758, + 31.1.1762 5555 oo Matthias Stultz <from 5548; oo II see 5564>, farmer, * (28.12.1704), + 2.9.1786 Barbara Holderer (Holder), + 21.2.1748 Protestant 6 children: Anna Maria 7.5.1730 ("geboren in der 40. Wochen nach der Copulation"), + 17.5.1730 Johann Jacob <5570> Johann 15.3.1733 Matthias <5572> A boy 19.4.1740, + 25.4.1740 Barbara <6076> 5548 oo Blasius Stulz, master butcher and host "Zum Ochsen" Anna Barbara Moser (Moßer) Catholic 5 children: Matthias <5555, 5564> Benedict <5556, 5557> Franz Joseph 28.12.1703, + 18.3.1759, unmarried miller Maria Anna 18.4.1713 Franz Carl <5553> 1377 oo Martin Gänßhirt <from 1370; oo II see 1380>, farmer, * about 1727, + 29.5.1799 Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; see also 4905>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Protestant 5 children: Anna Maria <5589> Elisabetha 23.12.1758 Barbara <4770> Maria Magdalena <4771> Catharina <3497> 1380 oo 7.11.1768 Martin Gänßhirt <oo I see 1377> Maria Elisabetha Schillinger <from 4769>, * 8.5.1741, + 12.2.1814 Protestant 5 children: Simon 14.9.1769, + 25.1.1772 Ursula 30.5.1772, + 19.4.1775 Susanna <6338> Johann Georg <1386> Ursula 14.1.1779 1370 oo 14.9.1720 Simon Gänßhirt <son of Martin G., in Mahlberg, and of Barbara nee Holderer, see OSB Mahlberg-Orschweier 780>, farmer in Kippenheim, * Mahlberg 30.10.1687 Walburgis Schmidt <oo I see 3576>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 9 children: Johannes 1721 Barbara 1723 Simon 9.1.1725 Elisabetha 14.11.1726 Martin <1877, 1380> Elisabetha 1729 Maria Magdalena <5764> Johann Georg <1163> Maria Magdalena 8.3.1735 3576 oo Hans Georg Leppert, master Walpurg Schmidt <oo II 1370>, + 21.3.1748 Protestant 2 children: Andreas <3584> Anna Ursula 26.11.1719 4901 oo Andreas Schmidt, citizen in Kippenheim, + 24.1.1766 Catharina Kromer, + 23.12.1770 Catholic 6 children: Maria Anna <4905, 1877> Ursula <5851> Anna Margaretha 6.5.1731 Johann Georg 6.4.1737 Johann Jacob <4916> Ottilia 8.8.1743 4905 Martin Unterstock, citizen in Ostheim in Alsace, <oo ...> Anna Maria Schmidt <from 4901; oo see 1777>, * (9.3.1733), + 9.4.1768 Catholic 1 child: Catharina + 24.3.1754 (5 weeks old) Mahlberg: --------- 780 oo 25.10.1685 Martin Gänßhirt, in Mahlberg Barbara Holderer <from 1291>, * 20.3.1665, + 20.10.1733 Protestant 6 children: Ursula <2501> Simon 30.10.1687 Anna Maria 23.1.1691 Martin <786> Anna Barbara 15...1701 Hans Georg 1291 oo Martin Holderer, citizen in Mahlberg Ursula Schätzlin Protestant 1 child: Barbara <780> - Wendelin ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to DEU-BAD-ORTENAU-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! 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On Tue, April 1, 2008 3:35 pm, Wendelin Irslinger wrote: > dj, > > thanks for remembering of books.google.com. > > I found some additional books where my familyname is mentioned. I > have access to the books from Germany and from Alsace but I must find > someone in the US who has access to a big library with literature: > Have you tried the Library of Congress, Washington , DC? I live near three major libraries/archives: NARA Kansas City, KC Public Library, Mid-Continent Public Library. Also, the Linda Hall Library on the UMKC Campus, and I have alumnus rights to the William Jewell College Library. There's a resource, called Worldcat, that you can look up books and if your library participates you can do some interlibrary loans. I could do some limited searching, for books. I'm working 14-15 hour days/nights, but could possibly squeeze in some research if given details. Brian

Thank you so much, Wendelin. I look forward to hearing from you. Of course I am interested in whatever there is, including siblings. Hope it's not too much trouble. I appreciate it greatly. Mimi On Apr 5, 2008, at 12:03 AM, deu-bad-ortenau-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > congratulations that you've found your ancestors. Yes, Johannes and > Andreas were brothers. I assume you would like to know the ancestors > of them? Maybe next or one week later I have the chance to view the > kinship book of Kippenheim. > > - Wendelin >

Hello Wendelin, You have been so kind to help me with our other connected lines in the past. Hope that you will look for two of my names in the Kippenheim book when you look for Mimi. I am looking for an entry for Michael Baum of Kippenheim....father of Anna Maria Baum born 3 Jan 1761. Also for Jakob Schafhauser and his wife Anna Maria Schmidt....who had a child Katharina on 18 Jan 1787. I am hoping that you will find the answers to these brick walls of mine. Hope this finds you and your family well. Many thanks for all your help. Best wishes, Pat > Hello Mimi, > > congratulations that you've found your ancestors. Yes, Johannes and > Andreas were brothers. I assume you would like to know the ancestors > of them? Maybe next or one week later I have the chance to view the > kinship book of Kippenheim. > > - Wendelin > >

Hello Mimi, congratulations that you've found your ancestors. Yes, Johannes and Andreas were brothers. I assume you would like to know the ancestors of them? Maybe next or one week later I have the chance to view the kinship book of Kippenheim. - Wendelin On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 17:47:45 -0700 Mimi Stevens <donnmimi@gmail.com> wrote: > Wendelin, > > I am so pleased to let you know I discovered which of the families > listed below is mine! > > It is the second family ... Andreas Stulz m. Anna Maria Gänßhirt > > I found out Andreas (the son) left Kippenheim and went to Seltz, > Alsace across the Rhine River. > > There I found some most helpful people who sent me records for this > family [ including his parents names - Andre Stulz and Anna Maria > Gänßhirt.] > > If these two Andreas are cousins does it mean that Johannes and > Andreas are brothers? > > - Mimi > > > > From: Wendelin Irslinger <wenir@icmail.net> > Subject: Re: [Ortenau] kinship book for Kippenheim: Stulz > Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 19:47:49 +0100 > > Mimi, > > there are 2 Andreas Stulz who were born in Kippenheim in 1782. They > were cousins and it's unkown for both (at least for the writer of the > book) when and where they died. > > 5588 > oo 1.2.1779 > Johannes Stulz <from 5564>, daylaborer, * 19.6.1750, + 25.5.1809 > Ursula Klett <from 3117>, * 23.6.1759, + 4.4.1814 > Protestant > Children: > Georg <5608>, farmer and daylaborer, * 6.12.1779, + 29.9.1849, 6 > children > Andreas, * 15.2.1782 > Maria Magdalena, * 17.11.1784, + 15.2.1855, unmarried > Johannes <5617>, master tailor, * 20.6.1787, + 12.8.1838, 3 children > Friedrich, * 10.1.1791, + 13.2.1791 > Christian <5627>, daylaborer, * 23.12.1792, date of death unkown (did > he move or emigrate?), 7 children > Michael, * 29.9.1795, + 7.3.1817,unmarried, tailor > Ursula, * 21.10.1800, + 15.8.1843, unmarried > > 5589 > oo 11.2.1782 > Andreas Stulz <from 5564>, farmer and daylaborer, * 23.2.1753, + > 29.2.1824 > Anna Maria Gänßhirt <from 1377>, * 19.9.1756, + 31.12.1813 > Protestant > Children: > Andreas, * 25.11.1782 > Georg, 9.8.1785, + 19.8.1785 > Johann Martin, * 23.9.1786, date of death unkown > Johann Georg <5620>, farmer, * 18.8.1789, + 8.12.1863, 4 children > Catharina <5618>, * 21.12.1791, + 23.11.1860 > Anna Maria <3147>, * 2.3.1795, + 1.2.1864 > Michael, * 17.10.1798, + 26.2.1799 > Ursula, * 3.11.1800, + Mahlberg 8.3.1842 > > - Wendelin